iMac G3 Teardown - The Electronics Inside

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  • @leverknight1
    @leverknight1 5 років тому +12

    All of the iMac G3 from the original Bondi Blue and even the G4 used IDE for the HD and CD/DVD drives.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      Oh really? I hadn't realised that! Apoligies. Do you know why the ribbon cable has the higher pin coun't? Were they used for anything? Although only marginal, I can't imagine the cost for the cable and connector would have been included if it wasn't?

    • @leverknight1
      @leverknight1 5 років тому +1

      @@a531016 I'm not sure for that particular iMac but my Bondi Blue one used a slim laptop style cdrom that connected with a single ribbon cable like what you would find in a laptop and it supplied power to the CD drive and allowed for the bus as standard. I assume they are doing similar since I didn't see a power cable for the CD.

    • @mcsaundy4596
      @mcsaundy4596 5 років тому +1

      I believe the bigger ribbon connecter is for power to the cd drive but could be wrong I know the hard drive has the 4 pin molex. I also believe this was done because apples disk drive back then was only compatible with macs and also so they could make the iMac compact assuming having 2 sets of molex could have got in the way of something

    • @leverknight1
      @leverknight1 5 років тому

      @@mcsaundy4596 That is a good point, I know I had a heck of a time trying to find a replacement drive for mine because of the connection.

  • @jmbrinck
    @jmbrinck 2 роки тому +2

    I really appreciate this breakdown tutorial. With my limited knowledge I've resurrected over a dozen iMac G3's left out in the cold by frustrated owners. But am stumped by a Graphite iMac that suddenly won't boot. I power-cycled it and replaced the CMOS battery and reset the PMU, but no juice--just light brief sound of residual electricity. Now suspicious it's the power supply. Thanks for locating it for me, though fear of electrocution and non-availability of a new ps have doomed this one. So disappointing to give up!

  • @KahnShawnery
    @KahnShawnery 5 років тому +13

    I worked at Apple from 2000-2010. When I started we had to learn how to tear down and rebuild these. The Faraday cage would bend and break after 1 or 2 reassembles. It was such a bitch to work on if it had already been previously serviced.

    • @MAYERMAKES
      @MAYERMAKES 5 років тому +1

      thanks for the inside, do you have some insight on the powermac G4.?...research for a possible future project

  • @OutlawFarmersRC
    @OutlawFarmersRC 5 років тому +13

    I am about to use one of these for a RetroPie build.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +4

      Awesome, will you be trying to use the original CRT, a replacement CRT or a different screen all together? Let us know how it goes, we'd love to see the results if you wanted to share on element14.com?

    • @theengineer9910
      @theengineer9910 5 років тому +3

      Love CRTs but they are dangerous as hell

    • @ninline2000
      @ninline2000 5 років тому +1

      You should post it on youtube if you do.

  • @ben1777
    @ben1777 5 місяців тому

    Appreciate the tip about pushing the tip shell down and back. Currently stuck in a Flower Power machine, so I definitely want to inflict as little damage as possible

  • @kyberfox
    @kyberfox 5 років тому +12

    I have one of these sitting beside me. thanks, now I'm not curious and it may live a bit longer XD

  • @Rickmakes
    @Rickmakes 5 років тому +5

    These were from the middle of the PowerPC architecture. They were followed by the G4 and G5.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      I understood that the G3 went through a number of revisions, including an x86 version? I could well be wrong though, or equally have been looking at an incorrect source?

    • @Rickmakes
      @Rickmakes 5 років тому +1

      @@a531016 The PowerPC processors I remember were the 601, 603, 604, G3, G4 and G5. Macs started using Intel processors in 2006. There have been Mac models that had an Intel processor on a card to allow them to run Windows software. I don't think they were very popular. The G3 was pretty amazing when it came out. I had a 603 system that I upgraded to a G3 via the processor cache slot. It think it made the system something like 3.5 times faster.

    • @rager1969
      @rager1969 5 років тому +2

      @@a531016 I doubt they would be able to make an x86 compatible PowerPC or even wanted to try. Also, the G3 iMac would've competed with Pentium III PCs, which were typically fanless, the quintessential version being Slot 1 cartridges (though there were also socketed and BGA versions).

  • @liink_rock
    @liink_rock 5 років тому +5

    Thank you for including the boot up sounds! So much nostalgia 🤘 a very interesting tear down! I’ve never thought about that there are people out there that have never used dial up... I honestly didn’t hate it, the internet felt allot more precious and less disposable a pass time

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      I didn't even own a Mac, and it took me back too. Even the sound of an older mechanical drive spinning up and the loud clicking took me back to 10 years of again! Remeber before there were "all you can eat" internet plans, and you were charged per website?

    • @liink_rock
      @liink_rock 5 років тому +1

      David Edwards I actually had forgotten about that! 😅 dirty secret, I like it when a hard drive over heats and starts making noise hahaha

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 5 років тому +2

      From my (limited) experience with Macs, the modern ones still have the same startup sound.

  • @hjups
    @hjups 5 років тому +3

    Most likely the power regulation board is taking in low-voltage AC (20V?), and switching / smoothing it down to the levels needed by the logic board. If you look at the connector, it marks two of the pins as AC+ and AC-. That's how they would be able to get away with powering it via those long traces, where voltage drops from trace resistance is not as much of an issue.
    Why does the Apple Chime sound have to come from the HV board? The CPU could produce the sound shortly after boot, and you wouldn't be able to notice a difference from the time you pressed the button to when the sound played. Having the HV board produce the sound would prevent it from being used as a diagnostic, since it wouldn't involve the CPU and would instead function as an auditory power light. Having the CPU produce the sound could at least represent that the CPU is able to begin executing the boot code. (i.e. the RAM works, the CPU works, the sound chip works, and the BIOS was read and not corrupted). That could be done before the POST is completed, since the POST can then be done while the CRT is warming up.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      That's a good point. I guess being a PC user I am used to (certainly at the time) discreet sound cards that need the the OS and drivers to work. As the sound processing and bios are in a bespoke package it would have been possible?

    • @hjups
      @hjups 5 років тому +2

      ​@@a531016 I don't know for certain, but I think the fact that it was a custom VLSI package helps. Most likely, one of a few things were implemented: 1) the sound chip is really simple, so it doesn't need much of a driver (so the BIOS loader can load it), 2) the BIOS used a stripped down version of the driver just to play the startup sound, 3) the BIOS had a hardcoded routine to play the sound file (think of it as optimizing the driver to only do that one task). Given that the sound chip was set and could not be upgraded, any number of those guesses could be true. Though, my bet would be a combination of option 1 and 2, where the sound chip was easy to control, and the first thing the bootloader does (besides set CPU registers), is to send the startup sound to the sound chip.
      Anyway, others have verified that the startup sound is in the BIOS ROM, so it's clearly coming from the CPU. I would suggest probing it to find out how much work the CPU is doing beforehand, but since everything is BGA, it probably won't be feasible. You could probably snoop the BIOS (most likely it's SPI), and decode the contents in the order that they are being read if you are that interested. Since PPC is a RISC architecture, all of the instructions are 32-bit, and are well documented (it should be obvious when the sound data is loaded, since it will most likely be blocks of nonsensical instructions). That would be a lot of work to answer the question of how the CPU is playing the sound though.
      P.S. I am also a PC user, but I think this mac is closer to an embedded system since it pretty much comes in only one configuration. So in a sense, it probably has more in common with a system like the Nintendo GameCube than it does a PC of the era. Also, I am pretty sure that the GameCube played its startup sound from the BIOS as well (probably after the POST though).

  • @demonhunter20
    @demonhunter20 6 місяців тому

    I worked in a factory in Mexico where we assembled those back in 2000.

  • @tipoomaster
    @tipoomaster 5 років тому +9

    The ATI Rage GPU would be under that black heatsink then I assume?

  • @zaprodk
    @zaprodk 5 років тому +1

    The electron beam is not what charges the CRT up. The Capacitor on the board is just fine. If you remove the bulged plastic cover, the can inside will be just fine and flat.

  • @tipoomaster
    @tipoomaster 5 років тому +2

    On the observations about its power use and need for cooling, or lack thereof, compared to contemporary Pentiums...I hope that's what we can get back to with an in-house Apple designed ARM processor switch, just massively better perf/watt than the rest of PCs on x86. Ironic though, as the late PowerPC G5s were too poor in performance per watt - the whole reason they switched to x86 in the first place!

    • @adventureoflinkmk2
      @adventureoflinkmk2 5 років тому

      And ironic: as of late the intel x86 CPUs are now getting hardware security flaws, some going back like 20 or more years!! Which means software patches to stop the flaws, thus sucking down the performance

  • @BD12
    @BD12 2 роки тому +2

    I loved my DV but I'm too scared of being zapped by the CRT to try and fix whatever is stopping it from turning on :(

    • @firealarmtechguy4444
      @firealarmtechguy4444 2 роки тому +1

      discharge it with a resistor. If you still have it I'm interested if you don't want to fix it.

    • @BD12
      @BD12 2 роки тому

      @@firealarmtechguy4444 I couldn't part with it, but I'm also very chicken about trying to refurbish it haha.

  • @darthrex354
    @darthrex354 4 роки тому +1

    Wow. That thing is surprisingly dangerous, between the CRT, all those giant capacitors and the unshrouded power supply. I am very glad teenage me never followed through on disassembling mine. My untrained poking probably would have ended with a loud pop, a cloud of smoke and the smell of barbecue.

  • @JakonDeluxe
    @JakonDeluxe 5 років тому +1

    Damn what a coincidence just bought a Indigo 400Mhz one with the mouse and keyboard for 15€ last week.
    Fun nostalgia trip but the 120GB HDD cap really sucks in modern times because it makes finding a new drive for it so much harder.

    • @adventureoflinkmk2
      @adventureoflinkmk2 5 років тому

      CF to SCSI adapter? Assuming the interface for the hard drive is SCSI, which if that's what the disk Drive uses, I'd guess the HDD uses it too

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      Does the cap apply to a fire wire connected drive?

    • @JakonDeluxe
      @JakonDeluxe 5 років тому

      As far as I am aware it does not.

  • @deBaer
    @deBaer 4 роки тому +2

    5 Minutes into the video you already told that the GPU was the CPU and that the IDE interface with additional power lines was a SCSI interface. Sure, a 50 pin cable could be SCSI, but where would the optical drive get it's power from then? ;-)

  • @MuzzaC
    @MuzzaC 5 років тому +1

    I know this was more about the electronics, but just wondering if you remember if there was any space between the front bevel and the monitor? Was thinking of lighting it up with LED's but don't want to risk breaking it if I can't get them in anyway. I am already adding LED strip lights to the base and top plastic sections and going to use it as a lil digital jukebox. Great video!

  • @jafinch78
    @jafinch78 5 років тому

    I worked on one or two of these when I had the computer service business. Have three eMac's now someone gave to me and was thinking to hack an LCD screen into. Have the LCD screen that will fit for one to try with... though off on the other projects. I don't even remember the details of the iMac's. Seems had to recover data from a failing or dead drive and the other was troubleshooting and seems like a memory upgrade. Wow... yes... two clearly... though wow... that was the period I was eating out in Holland and Allegan. Great tear down and detail.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      Thanks, I knew there would be people that know what they are doing watching from behing their fingers at my rough attempt at getting the case off! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @AirborneSurfer
    @AirborneSurfer 5 років тому +1

    Lovely teardown, David! I'd be down to play some 7th Guest or Myst on this baby!

  • @David-gr8rh
    @David-gr8rh 3 місяці тому

    Question for the UA-camr. My iMac G3 SE 700mhz when you press the power on button the speakers, give out a little shud or pop. Online says, the flyback transformer. What's your thoughts.

  • @gk_tonic7843
    @gk_tonic7843 5 років тому

    Thanks!!! I saw those things back then and always wanted to know what's inside.. Great video!!

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      Thank you, I was always curios too. And now we know!

  • @jessicamcconnell9033
    @jessicamcconnell9033 Рік тому

    Can the guts be removed and the case reassembled empty? Thinking about doing something artsy with an old one of these but don’t want to buy one if the shell won’t go back together. Thanks!

  • @philhutchinson360
    @philhutchinson360 5 років тому

    Nice, I was always fascinated by these

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      Intersting product to see inside, and all the modding inspiration you could ask for!

  • @1683clifton
    @1683clifton 4 роки тому

    I.also have one. speakers are done and the battery is done, but it runs with a speaker plugged in.

  • @ccf_1004
    @ccf_1004 5 років тому +2

    Please tell me you replaced that capacitor before you put it back together...

    • @johnnychang4233
      @johnnychang4233 5 років тому

      Capacitors aren't really meant to be replaced just by the bias of it's age as said before in the channel of curiousmarc. And by the look of it at the end of the video it looks like it was just a sacrificial sample that not worth to put back together.

    • @Chriva
      @Chriva 5 років тому +3

      @@johnnychang4233 This mac came out during the capacitor plague and they are known to have capacitor problems. They SHOULD be replaced. Especially the surface mount ones

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      I didn't, however it has not been near power since reassembly. If it ever gets turned on again, I would expect 60-90% of all the interals to be completely different! It did make me nervous though.

  • @SpaceLordLono
    @SpaceLordLono 5 років тому +3

    I'd like to see someone gut one of these an build a modern gaming rig in one.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      It's tempting, I have thought about it myself, what kit would you like to see in it? Mini ITX or NUC?

    • @adventureoflinkmk2
      @adventureoflinkmk2 5 років тому

      If you're lucky, mini ITX. Dunno how you'd get a kickass video card in there

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      @@adventureoflinkmk2 I would guess a PCIe riser card or flexible cable? Sounds like a good challenge though!

    • @adventureoflinkmk2
      @adventureoflinkmk2 5 років тому +1

      @@a531016 either that or I hear thunderbolt 3 with one of those enclosure boxes is a good option... thunder, feel the thunder... lightning, then the thunder, thunder... thunder, thunder-thun, thunder, tha-tha-thunder...

  • @Corristo89
    @Corristo89 Рік тому

    Can confirm, working on CRTs is dangerous AF, as is working on exposed power supplies where you can accidentally touch a capacitor and fry yourself. NEVER work on devices like this when they were just connected to power.

  • @microbaystudio6353
    @microbaystudio6353 Місяць тому

    If you remove all the circuit but the CRT could you easily knock it over

  • @TheRealityBin
    @TheRealityBin 5 років тому

    Whats the type/brand of insulated gloves you used? A link to them was mentioned but it didn't appear in the video at the end nor the description (or on the video page on the website)

  • @andrewclegg9501
    @andrewclegg9501 5 років тому

    The very first 1997 233Mhz version, had a "mezzanine" slot. You could add a voodoo card to it!
    The flyback transformers on them die just by looking at them. Actually saw it happen at a friends when he was updating the OS. His wife still think we did something to it and killed it.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      I think that's why I prefer a more "modular" approach. It took me years to accept laptops into my life and not a desktop for the same reason.

  • @cipollini1988
    @cipollini1988 4 роки тому

    That big capacitor is not bulging... The brown top is just a plastic cover!

  • @claudioguendelman
    @claudioguendelman 3 роки тому +1

    How you take out the front plastic ? thanks.

  • @jfitts23
    @jfitts23 5 років тому +2

    This was our family first computer back in the day.

  • @NewAgeDIY
    @NewAgeDIY 5 років тому +1

    As a retired Apple technician it always interesting to see people tear down Macs. You did a good job explaining the unit. One small point Apple calls them logic boards not mother boards very small point indeed but interesting!

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      You are quite right, I have watched enough of the 8-Bit Guy that I should know better!

  • @coondogtheman
    @coondogtheman 5 років тому

    Would it be possible that the HV board that has the audio amp have a sound chip that holds the boot chime since the logic part of the computer isn't loaded up yet like sound drivers?
    Maybe it just plays the sound when power is applied to it/ I'd like for you to do experiments with these parts mostly the electronics and id like to see if you can get the chime to come out without the mainboard of the PC hooked up.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 5 років тому

      I think that was a bad assumption on the reviewer's part. The CPU is executing bootstrap ROM code nearly immediately after power-on. The Mac "BIOS" has the advantage of knowing exactly what is in the computer, unlike PC-land where everything is a user-installable add-in card, and must be enumerated and supported by driver libraries that know how to control it. In the iMac, since the hardware configuration is guaranteed by design, there need not be "drivers" for sound, per se. You can just have the startup sound data as a binary blob in ROM, and a small hard-coded routine to initialize the audio chip and start streaming samples to it. Similar to the PC's customary "beep" after POST, but more sophisticated.

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      Good Idea. I will give it a try and see if power does anything. I know that other people have tried to reverse engineer the CRT control with little luck (it requires low level communications to turn on, something like SPI).

    • @zaprodk
      @zaprodk 5 років тому

      The start-up sound is in the Boot-ROM.

  • @MAYERMAKES
    @MAYERMAKES 5 років тому +2

    I remember fidelking with these at ikea. My only reaction to them was: what idiot makes a mouse that has no right click and is perfectly round. My power mac g4 which I have in storage, also uses a powerpc processor the legacy lived on a bit more. You can still get Linux for ppc today

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      I rember trying to play Castle Wolfenstien (I think) on a macintosh and being really confused why there wasn't a right click!

    • @MAYERMAKES
      @MAYERMAKES 5 років тому +1

      @@a531016 the most hardcore game of my childhood, it was illegal to own...so everybody had the demo and modded it to get more levels

  • @JD3Gamer
    @JD3Gamer 2 роки тому

    SCSI still lives on in servers as SAS or Serial Attached SCSI

  • @guney8401
    @guney8401 Рік тому

    Ny one heats up real quick, do i need to apple thermal paste and if so where?

  • @donbot5000
    @donbot5000 5 років тому +3

    This is a late model g3

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому

      The exact model number is "M5521" Which as far as I could work out was the first slot loading model? I am happy to be corrected, there are certainly people that know Mac histrory much better than I do. I think the G3 was manufacturered from 1998 to 2001 and this was 1999?

    • @applefan2006
      @applefan2006 5 років тому +2

      @@a531016 You are correct. The model number M5521 was for all of the slot-loaders from 1999 to 2003. So, the iMac G3 was discontinued in '03, not '01.

  • @nickwallette6201
    @nickwallette6201 5 років тому +4

    Suggestion: More light, and properly set color temperature on the camera. Otherwise, nice teardown. :-)

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      Thank you, I am still new to the filming aspect, hopefully getting better each time. Glad you enjoyed the content!

  • @BetamaxFlippy
    @BetamaxFlippy Рік тому

    I can't take off the clear bottom, the front tabs under the screen just won't give way!

  • @TheDukeOfZill
    @TheDukeOfZill 4 роки тому

    Need to remove plastic face plate from my g3.. how can i do only this? The thin white plastic is cracked, looks ugly, but can easily be mended from what i see.

  • @ericcindycrowder7482
    @ericcindycrowder7482 5 років тому

    I am almost certain the iMac used PATA no SCSI for CD and hard drive. I’Ve owned and used man older Macs with built in SCSI, but I’m prettier sure this one is PATA

    • @Icanhasautomaticcheeseburger
      @Icanhasautomaticcheeseburger 3 роки тому

      They most certainly did -- the CD connector just has power running to it (it's a laptop drive, pretty sure).

  • @djnevous3us
    @djnevous3us 5 років тому

    I still have mine

  • @charlesworthless
    @charlesworthless 4 роки тому

    I am disassembling my x360 steering wheel controller

  • @taturace150
    @taturace150 4 роки тому

    man, any problem and keep PC with HDD behind TV CRT, my fear about any problem w magnetc fields for crt, this problem exists ? lose hdd data, acidental erase ?

  • @mernok2001
    @mernok2001 4 роки тому

    Using 1000V gloves for aflyback transformer that outputs possibly 25-30kV.Seems legit.

  • @moshihus
    @moshihus 3 роки тому +1

    they still sold 800,000 of them though!!

  • @CancunMimosa
    @CancunMimosa 4 роки тому

    Was waiting for it... electron gun, haha

  • @theengineer9910
    @theengineer9910 5 років тому

    This is why I love apple, they had the best engineers and visionaries but ya not the most powerful stuff, These circuit boards look soooooooo cool and unique as hell + No fans? Crazy stuff I will always love the imac my elementary school had nothing but imacs

  • @vincentgentile1795
    @vincentgentile1795 3 роки тому

    I remember using one of these back in 2007. Even back then it was a dated machine. Its nearly as old as I am.

  • @ThePandaclash
    @ThePandaclash 5 років тому +1

    My first computer!

  • @BrandonMk3Fez
    @BrandonMk3Fez 5 років тому

    You should make it into a flatscreen

  • @peteregan9750
    @peteregan9750 3 роки тому

    ibm still use power pc === Power9 Cpu

  • @tbome557
    @tbome557 5 років тому

    my school used um

  • @winsomehax
    @winsomehax 5 років тому +1

    Ahh, old repulsive gum drop Mac. Never has so much "design wank" been lauded so heavily by know-nothing journalists.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 5 років тому

      I think they know something you don't. I'm not a fan of AIO computers either -- Mac or PC. But, for people who just want a computer and don't want a ton of bits and pieces and all the cables between, this was scratching an itch most of the industry ignored. And thus they were very popular. Well, for a Mac in the early 2000s. Find a need, fill a need.

    • @NewAgeDIY
      @NewAgeDIY 5 років тому

      And you do what for a living... Be nice play nice. Be bad only ends badly.

  • @wf2v
    @wf2v 5 років тому +1

    Toss it straight into the dumpster!

    • @ceneblock
      @ceneblock 5 років тому

      No! It's a Trinitron-like display!

    • @a531016
      @a531016 5 років тому +1

      It's the only Apply product I have ever owned - and look how I treated it!

    • @wf2v
      @wf2v 5 років тому

      Put the parts on ebay. Mark it ‘educational’

    • @NewAgeDIY
      @NewAgeDIY 5 років тому

      Why would you say that? It not a Windows clone. The iMac is part of our history just like a IBM PC. If you have the room a display of older computer equipment is a great conversation starter for any family gathering. But as dumpster food not so great. ✌️