My opinion on the 4 cylinder muscle/pony cars is that they are clearly very capable vehicles, but they don’t fit the class of vehicle as far as I’m concerned. Another thing is that one of the reasons I’d buy a muscle car is for the sound and a 4 cylinder, even when modded like this, doesn’t meet that requirement.
This car is sweet! I’ve always thought that Chevrolet missed the boat when they green-lit the 6th-Gen Camaro instead of their Code 130R concept with the Ecotec I-4. That car would’ve been way better than a 6th-gen. All my life, I’m only owned 4-cylinder cars, so I’m biased AF. I say “welcome to the club, Camaro!” Camaros, in current form, are just too porky and have lousy windows. This type of engine conversion would be more appropriate in the far lighter 1967-1968 versions of the Camaro, though. I like the sound of this engine; it lacks the dopey, mouth-breathing, lumbering bellow of an American V-8. That’s a good thing!
Imagine thinking an OG channel like TDIB with over a million subs isn't mainstream. This channel is based around tuner cars, and there are other channels that have reviewed builds like this for years, but some people have moved on to different business ventures.
I have a 2014 ATS 2.0 same exact chassis and engine. I put about a car on a 2019 ecoboost 10 spd from a roll and dig surprisingly. I’m sure the 8spd Camaro would do more
I personally love this as I'm a massive Turbo fan, but spending this much money to basically arrive at stock HP levels of the SS is a hard sell. Cool factor or not, the real question... Is it really worth it?
I bought my ecoboost for $13k spent $4.5k on mods and can run numbers better than a stock gt. I also am a big turbo fan so I wanted to try another platform and it was worth it
4 cyl versions of the Mustang and Camaro could be the new fun small engine tuner cars but no one gives em the chance. This isnt the 70s and we don't make the Iron Duke anymore. 4 cyl engines can make serious power now and be crazy fun.
you get stock v8 power with less low end torque from a tuned 4 cyl while spending more money. the v8 leaves so much more room for mods and sounds better. not easy to see why people aren't super big fans of the 4 cyl. a stock v8 would be more reliable, sound better, and then you could make way more power later
@Grant Winburn but you're forgetting the main point. Forget the v8. Forget the new mustangs and camaros are muscle cars and just look at the ecoboost. Building cars is not about "well this is a better option" its about working with what you have. Is the v8 better? Well duh but that wasnt the point
@@chrisgonz19if that’s what you have that’s fine, work with it, the ecoboost is fragile and is the 2.0 in the Camaro and that’s why it’s not a good option. Big build ecoboosts start with a Focus ST block and stroke it to 2.3 to make the bigger power numbers and they had to build the bottom end for 450whp. They’re commuter engines, and by the time you’re making V8 power the price is the same if not more than the V8. If you want a little bolt on commuter car they’re great for that but there’s things that aren’t worth the money and a big horsepower Ecoboost isn’t it.
As a current owner of this exact same car I'm currently in the process of working on this exact same build except I have the manual. This is a tuner's dream disguised as a muscle car. I'm having the time of my life 10 out of 10 would recommend.
@@wlashay56 zzp cold air intake, cat back exhaust, and check out racechip they make a boost and throttle controller. It's a good start but have zzp tune it for the best results.
@@wlashay56easiest bolt ons K&N Cold air intake, Dual BOV, ZZP Larger throttle body, muffler delete. After I’d say intercooler and down pipe but those actually require some work like a jack or lift lmao. The moment you do those last though you’re going to need a tune, so there’s that and is why I recommend the above ones first before you touch those last two. If you got the money just do the ZZP stage 1 kit. Has everything you need. I do recommend a K&N CAI over zzp if you plan on installing a Dual BOV which I do.(can get from American muscle)
4 cylinder cars are cool too! My wife has an eco boost Mustang. With the lighter weight engine in the front, it’s a blast to drive on twisty back roads!
For what it's worth, the Camaro still has the V6, too. The 2.0T truly was meant as a base, rental-spec engine option. If GM went the same route as Ford and axed the V6 I think we would have ended up with a stronger base to start with in these. It's a bit of a shame we won't ever get to see GMs newer 2.7T in Camaro form.
The LTG engine is built like a race engine...it was never meant to be a rental car....I think Chevy was trying to steal customers away from sport hatchbacks as theres a huge customer base for 4 banger turbos and the Tuner crowd....The 4 banger Camaro is a full on sports car.
Maybe for the Camaro the 2.0 was base, but I had a Cadillac ATS with the 2.0T. The 2.5 NA 4 cyl was base for the Cadillac with the V6 being the “top” tier. When comparing the stock hp/tq numbers I chose the 2.0T and on top of that it has a pretty decent aftermarket compared to most 4 cylinder platforms. I don’t consider the 2.0t a base/rental engine.
So many of you don't know the history and design of the EcoTec. This engine keeps breaking records and minds since the early 00s. "For what it's worth" I prefer most of you stay this ignorant, it's funnier when the EcoTec gaps...
@@cooltd825 Yeah, I have both a 17 Camaro SS and a 17 Camaro I4 turbo FBO with a Spec stage 1 clutch and aluminum flywheel...the 4 banger is a bad a$$ sports car, especially on a Road course.
The turbo 4 Mustang/Camaro really don’t deserve the hate they get. There aren’t many options if you want a modern affordable rwd sports car with a manual and a turbo 4 cylinder.
love the guys at the zzp who built this camaro🙌 they make some crazy cars, had the chance to ride in and drive the owners green chevy sonic rs, absolute hoot to drive🤌🤘
The hot-rodded 4 banger is ok, I get it. It's actually probably a more fun car on back roads than the V8 because you can actually drive it and push a little harder without worrying about overpowering anything as easily. The automatic though is just unforgivable though, ruins the aforementioned funness of the car imo.
@@Matt_Lanzer_13 ZZP specializes in a lot of motor swaps. They originated from 2ZZGE swap kits for mr2s and such. And do other toyot v6s now too is why they said creative swaps.
i came back to this video to say i bought an LTG camaro and built it with only ZZP parts.. i’m blown away at how much i love it.. thank you for always showing unique builds over the years and truly showing what it’s like to own them
No different than an EB Mustang and there's nothing wrong with both. I think it's great that there's entry level options into both platforms. What is surprising to me, is the amount of work required for reliability at 450 wheel. I would suspect that is a huge reason why no one chooses to mod these unlike the Mustang. Aftermarket support aside, the Ecoboost can handle 450 wheel fairly reliably, and usually only a Upgraded turbo, intercooler, and fueling is needed to get there. Having to spend all the extra money and time to build the ecotec is a bummer. At that point it's probably better to get a v6 Camaro and slap a turbo on it than to spend equivalent money to build the ecotec.
The LTG engine is more reliable than the EB with it's head gasket issues....the only thing needed to keep from damaging a piston in the LTG is the switch to an upgraded intercooler to prevent pre-detonation....and oils that won't detonate in the chamber...that's it.
I've always been a fan of both Chevy and Ford's four-cylinder turbo engines. More so the Ecoboost, because it harkens back to the days of the Mustang SVO, but both platforms are very overlooked by most enthusiasts, because they don't have V8s. And don't get me wrong, I love the Coyote and the LT1, but the Ecoboost and Ecotec engines work quite well in these platforms. Think of the 2.3 Ecoboost as a modern interpretation of a Mustang SVO, because really, that's what it is. Think of the 2.0 Ecotec as a modern interpretation of Pontiac's Sprint Six engines. It's a bit of a stretch, being handicapped by two cylinders, but the idea is the same; less power, better handling. If you haven't ever actually driven either a 2.0 Camaro or a 2.3 Mustang, do it. You'll likely think differently of them than you do currently.
I’m glad that you showcase all different platform builds…the owners, especially providing them for you to do it as well. Your unbiased feedback on them is what makes it great!!
I think the reason these have garnered such attention is because of the original use of the motor in the ATS, which folks were already inclined to modify due to them being on the alpha platform. I currently own an LTG ATS rwd sedan with just about the book thrown at it. They are super fun and quite unique. I see modified LTG's once a month or so.
ZZP rocks, congrats Tyler. I love that you show one of the best car aftermarket companies I have personally dealt with some love... Awesome video,thanks 👌
@@EBKFiXXY only reason an ecotec will blow is too much boost or not properly tuned. zzp’s green chevy sonic rs my friend and i drove untuned and melted a piston. gotta be super catastrophic to rly screw the motor.
This I can see being a perfect track car, personally I'd love to see it 6 speed manual, but the weight distribution must be amazing especially with the coil-overs
I have a 2017 2.0 V4 Camaro. It’s not that great but it’s not that bad actually. Faster than most cars on the roads and the gas mileage is good. I’m glad you made this video bro I was waiting on one for the 2.0 turbo camaro
Got a really nice 2015 ATS 2.0t fully built pushing about 550-560hp got every single upgrade for zzp this thing is awesome and my friends love it since it’s so different
Wow! I mean I've heard of 6-cylinder Mustangs. But a muscle car with a four-banger....WHAT?! I really like that you covered this oddity of a muscle car.
ZZP is AMAZING! I got a Cadillac ATS 2.0t 6spd and basically every mod is from ZZP. Never had any fitment or breakage issues from their products. Superior company for sure, great to see them get the recognition they deserve
Absolutely love my 4cyl Camaro some love the loud sound of a V8 , which I 100% do as well , but I love the turbo spool and blow off sound !! No hate to anyone’s ride. The way I look at it if someone doesn’t like it , well that’s why you don’t have one I guess !!
I've always have dug these, I have a 2019 4 cyl Camero auto, I SMOKE SOOO MANY PEOPLE OFF THE LINE AND TO FINISH ACTUALLY . LOVE YOUR PAINT KOB I WANT ONE AS WELL THAT TYPE BUT THE COST WHOOOO
My first car my senior year was a 93 mustang fox body with the2.4L 4cyl. So slow. This was in 2003. I put a 50 shot dry ZEX nitrous kit on it and it was actually a lot of fun after that.
When I first got into cars, I thought bigger was ALWAYS better. Now I can appreciate both and appreciate the kind of people I’ve met that didn’t always have the coolest best versions of their car.
LS/LT engines are pretty small and light for the displacement and power they have. I don’t think having a 4 popper makes any difference in handling on this particular platform.
@@richardtaylor9656 you ignored everything he said. The LS/LT blocks with aluminum heads and block are like 550~ odd pounds with all accessories. A Honda B18 weighs the same if not more. Get the idea out of your head that "hur dur, old America V8 heavy" and realize we're in the modern day age of CNC, computer designed blocks using CAD, economy everything. Engines nowadays have to be light, if they're not, they're a diesel. Alloy and just general metallurgy technology has come a very long way in 30 years to allow us to make alloys that are light yet very strong to tensile forces
@Jacob Webb you're ignoring the fact thay the ecoboost camaro is much lighter than the camaro ss. Probably because the ecoboost camaro is designed with lower strength (smaller) parts which weigh much less on top of having half the cylinders.
Fun fact that most don’t know is that motor and factory turbo also comes in the Buick Regal as well as the Malibu. I have a 2013 Malibu with this motor in it and I’ve done a few things to it. Mine is putting down 300+ at the wheels up from the know factory 225ish whp. Not a rocket by any means, but still fun to make people scratch their heads. Lol
Because there’s plenty of 2.0L 4 cylinders available with huge aftermarket support. From the Honda Ks to the Volkswagen EA888 Also like he says, Camaro synonymous with V8. Glad to see the Camaro ecoboost getting it’s time in the lime light.
Because a ford focus st with just a bolt on turbo kit will make 450whp EASY without building the bottom end. If you spent that money on any other platform you'd make 650whp + reliably. It's a dead end platform and always will be if I need aux fuel, rods pistons stage 3 cams etc etc etc for 450whp it's not 2008 anymore.
@velocity wot exactly what I was saying 450whp with all that work is not worth it. Plus the ecoboost mustang took all the hype when the pony cars got turbos.
Major shoutout to TDIB giving Michigan some recognition we deserve with ZZP! I have a V8 but these 2.0T is definitely underrated. Mad kudos to the owner who spent the money on the built but getting the V8 + cam would be better for the long haul when you want more power down the road
I honestly wish the turbo 4 Camaro and Mustang were not Camaro's and Mustangs. Some fascia changes and a different name would make a lot of people think more highly of the Turbo 4 Models. What if the 2.0T Camaro was styled slightly less aggressive and called Chevy Monte Caro/Lumina/Beretta whatever. A slightly differently styled Mustang only available with the turbo 4 would make a great new Probe or Capri.
Definitely a really cool build, neat to see something different. I do think unless 4 cyl Camaro prices drop though, it would be a hard sell to go this route over an alternative turbo car or if a Camaro fan moving to the V8. Very much so a “you have to WANT a Camaro” but also have a love for the import style turbo build. Niche market, but would be stoaked to see one like this on the road or at a meet.
Reliability and weight distribution are important. I'm wondering how much lighter the 2.0 is, and how it affects the cornering. Also, you can build more power with the V8, but for road coarse application there is a power to weight ratio and distribution that is ideal
My car weighs 3400lbs with me in it, approximately 300-400lbs lighter than the V8 models. Ends up being nearly perfect 50/50 weight distribution. It's a ton of fun on the road course.
Had both a 4 banger and V8. You feel the weight in corners and the weight balance too. 4banger handles better and I can really throw the front end around.
My buddy had one of these in 2018 it was the RS model it was super funny riding in it. It didn’t make sense. People didn’t believe him either no one understood. Unfortunately it had tons of problems from factory and he got it lemon lawed. It was a super dope car tho
Back when the original Mustang SVO with the turbo Lima (along with the T-Bird Turbo) came out, those cars made a lot of sense to build considering they made similar numbers to a stock 5.0L. They are still very cool as far as 80s Fox bodies go. But now the whole point of these smaller engines is the value proposition. If you're going to spend nearly as much money as the difference between the base and SS to build a turbo 2.0L up to SS levels, that's thoroughly pointless unless you're just trying to be different. Kudos to the creator of this one though, it looks pretty well done even with the auto.
The turbo camaro os several hundred lbs lighter than a LT1 camaro, the lightest V8 and with similar crank hp and more torque and sticky rubber it"d be considerably quicker in all acceleraation and the Turbo Camaro 1LE has higher skid pad than any/all other Camaros. But yeah stock power its a rental.
Remember though the point of this car isn’t to be extremely powerful. That’s what the v8 is for. This is for novice drivers, people on a budget, or teens.
I love when you do videos showcasing lower trim muscle cars! Builds like these are super unique and really embody the spirit of american muscle regardless of how many cylinders they have
Over covid quarantine I started throwing a bunch of zzp parts into my 2.0L Cadillac, running full stage 2 on 91 octane, it definitely gets rid of the old man vibe 🤣
Honestly, the 4 banger and v6 muscle cars (barring the charger/challenger v6) are legit performance cars now. I don’t think I’d dump a bunch of money into modding one though, because at that point you might as well have just bought the v8 from the start and had a better starting point
Thanks again David for the great review and coming to the shop. I hope this gives some people with the LTG Camaro to have some fun. I think that one of the commenters said it best, the 4 cylinder Camaro is best when looked at in a vacuum. Imagine this: GM announces that they're coming out with a new fun vehicle. RWD, turbo with good power, available manual, available LSD, 50/50 weight distribution, relatively light (>3400lbs). They would be revered and people would love it. However, because it the Camaro name attached people hate it. Yes, there's always going to be the V8 version available, yes there's always a better option out there; however, for people who can't afford the V8 or want better gas mileage (The LTG version will get +30mpg on the highway with premium) or whatever they may want, it's not a great platform to have some fun with.
Dodge should've took the dart and made a rwd 2.0 litre little Pony car . It could've been the GT86, Miata or S2k rival for JDM. Especially if Dodge offered a converitble and hardtop version or at least sold a nice hard top for it. I think of they really focused on making it reliable as well as giving it some really good looks the car easily would've caught a lot of buyers especially cause it would've been something none of us would've expected Dodge to do
I always considered the 79 mustang, 84-86 mustang SVO's, 86-90 thunderbird Turbo coupes as muscle cars and always loved the way a rwd 4cyl turbo felt..super light, nimble..i'm sure this is that x1000! I like it alot.
I can't speak for the earlier ones, but my 2019 2.0T Camaro has yet to have any mechanical issues at 67,000 miles so far. Haven't exactly babied it either, hahaha. The stock version of the motor is unusual for a modern turbo-4, with a lot more top-end whooosh and some turbo lag before that. Polar opposite of the EcoBoost Mustangs and BMWs it competes with, which have beefier midrange and less at the top. Go test-drive one -- it's a much more '90s tuner car experience than any other boosted car on sale these days.
I love the ltg cars, there was one floating around with full 1le suspension and it was damn near as fast as the v8 models around the track Bc it has like 300 pounds off the nose. As for this particular car, Zzp’s personal cars are all really nice, but man they need to work on their quality control. There’s a bunch of problems with a lot of their parts. Like for example; Their billet 3800 fuel rails came assembled wrong for a long time, rather than take the blame and fix the problem, their response was “oh the guy assembling them was doing it wrong” like ok cool, but he’s still your employee and your product was problematic. Idk, I’ve used their parts but still it’s annoying lol
I used to relish in this experience years ago when I had a very rowdy 86 SVO. It always threw people for a loop. I have another that is slowly going back together because they are just fun cars.
I love how you always do different and unique builds. Not your typical Supras and common stuff. You always bring out something interesting. Different in a very good way. I pray that 👌
@@FugitiveVette nice, how many miles have you got on it? Any major or minor problems with it aswell? (Asking these cuz I'm getting a 2019 2.0t in a couple days lmao) doesn't seem like there's a ton of vids on the 4cyl Camaros other than reviewers
I believe the main reason why they even bothered to make 4 cylinder Mustangs and Camaros is to tap into the global market (Europe-Japan) that has ridiculous taxes for anything above the 2-2.5 Litre category. I have seen tons of 4 Cylinder Mustangs here in Greece for instance.
Same. I think the mustang has an edge when it comes to handling and drivability though. So if you’re going to modify a 4cyl, may as well get one that offers the other things you need when doing a lightweight, performance based build. That is kinda my thoughts.
I think it has to do with Chevrolet wants you to buy the V8 and made the 4 cylinder so they can continue the SS. Ford would like nothing more for people to buy nothing but their ecoboost line up so they could drop the V8 and save money. So you get more aftermarket support for the Ecoboost and less for the EcoTec.
@@WhoThisGuy515 I thought the ford ecoboost was really expensive for them to produce? I could be way off but buying a crate ecoboost is really expensive compared to their V8 I thought.
You people are thinking wrong. This probably destroys every V8 variant on every track. This has been shown on many platforms because of better balance.
I am building an ltg engine now with forged rods and diamond pistons. Lspi is the killer of this engine. Using quality fuel, larger injectors and fuel pump will help it not die. Also a good pcv system like the Tracy Lewis catch can system will protect you as well. A tune by a tuner who knows what they are doing is a must with any upgrade because of the sensitivity of these motora
Im sure the reason these cars arent really popular for people who like modyfing cars is beacuse of what you said about just spending the money on a v8. It doesnt make sense to me to put a bunch of money into a 4 cyl just to make what the stock v8 does but with less reliability. Id rather just sell the I4 and put the money towards a v8 with alot more potential...
I had a 2020 camaro 2.0t that was I take downpipe from zzp and it was just as fast as a scat pack and it handled so well personally wasn’t reliable but I beat the crap out of mine for almost 100k mile and it finally blew up
When I was sitting in a 550 AWHP Evo 9 watching an EcoBoost Mustang walk away like we were in a d16 Civic, to 170 plus, I knew they were a contender. And I have a 99 Regal GS with a ZZP Z3 turbo kit with a 58 mil turbo on 15 PSI lol
People are always shocked when I say I’d totally own a 4 cylinder muscle car. I’d prefer the v8 of course but I’d also love the opertunity to build a eco boost or ecotech car. I actually badly want to build either a fox body or thunderbird and put a modern eco boost in it. To bad my thunderbird was stolen recently.
My uncles gf got one when they first came out in like 2016. It was a lot of fun for the time but now I have Na Hondas that are way faster. She still has the 4cyl Camaro today runs great!
I’m going to have to correct you. Yes Ford did get rid of the V6. But Chevy still kept the V6. You can still get a 3.6 in a brand new Camaro which is an upgrade to the base 2.0. IMO the 3.6 is a better platform then the 2.0 because the bottom end is much stronger.
If both Ford and Chevy had taken their respective turbo 4 cylinders, and put them in a different RWD car, gear heads would have loved them, but the suits knew that ignorant people would buy the four cylinder variant, because they just want to say the have a Camaro/Mustang, and don't actually know that there is a difference
I can't be the only one who absolutely loves camaros but wouldn't choose them over a Mustang just because they cannot for the life of them make a good rear end
Me and my wife have old v8 mustangs. 87 and an 01. Went on vacation and we rented a drop top eco boost to try it out.... it was actually not a bad car acceleration wise from a stop but felt a little sucked out trying to accelerate at highway speed to pass.
Boosted 4 cylinders are a lot of fun. I personally drive a gti that is heavily modded and you would be shocked what it can keep up with or even leave behind
David, thank you for your showcasing this ‘maro! Thus I don’t own this car, I own the Cadillac ATS Coupé with my “small” turbo i4….. this showcase shows me what I thought would be, but reading for the ZZP page and dreaming about it, or seeing it in the “flesh” different story…. My plan is to Stage 1 and 2 from ZZPs…. And a few more things, as coilovers, bigger brakes the works…..
When they first came out with mustang, camaro, challanger with 4 cyl or V6 I never liked them and hate it but after the covid hits I feel like the 4cyl and V6 has potential now I like it
Alright class - thoughts,questions, concerns about this build? 😂
Here's a good one, what's the weight and balance difference? Could be a really smart track build if it's significantly better.
Is is different? Yes. Is it worth it over a v8? No. But well done ZZP non the less.
My opinion on the 4 cylinder muscle/pony cars is that they are clearly very capable vehicles, but they don’t fit the class of vehicle as far as I’m concerned. Another thing is that one of the reasons I’d buy a muscle car is for the sound and a 4 cylinder, even when modded like this, doesn’t meet that requirement.
This car is sweet! I’ve always thought that Chevrolet missed the boat when they green-lit the 6th-Gen Camaro instead of their Code 130R concept with the Ecotec I-4. That car would’ve been way better than a 6th-gen. All my life, I’m only owned 4-cylinder cars, so I’m biased AF. I say “welcome to the club, Camaro!” Camaros, in current form, are just too porky and have lousy windows. This type of engine conversion would be more appropriate in the far lighter 1967-1968 versions of the Camaro, though. I like the sound of this engine; it lacks the dopey, mouth-breathing, lumbering bellow of an American V-8. That’s a good thing!
I want to see a big turbo atlas swapped one now
This is why I love this channel, always showcases the most unique builds that mainstream channels won’t review
Imagine thinking an OG channel like TDIB with over a million subs isn't mainstream. This channel is based around tuner cars, and there are other channels that have reviewed builds like this for years, but some people have moved on to different business ventures.
Amen
This comment wins !
Most definitely 💯
Lmao?
I really want to see a head to head battle between a boosted Ecotect Camaro and Ecoboost Mustang
I think the Ecoboost has more support
@@bequietimlisteningtotherad1471 it has a lot more and we also have better turbo options
I have a 2014 ATS 2.0 same exact chassis and engine. I put about a car on a 2019 ecoboost 10 spd from a roll and dig surprisingly. I’m sure the 8spd Camaro would do more
Ecoboost has a ton more support.
Less of that less of that
I personally love this as I'm a massive Turbo fan, but spending this much money to basically arrive at stock HP levels of the SS is a hard sell. Cool factor or not, the real question... Is it really worth it?
Most definitely, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that.
I bought my ecoboost for $13k spent $4.5k on mods and can run numbers better than a stock gt. I also am a big turbo fan so I wanted to try another platform and it was worth it
If it weren’t for the transmission, I’d say it’s worth it. Those things are glass though
@@kripbloodington8714 oh cool, how many miles did it have to be that price. I know those motors well I had a Mazdaspeed 3
The fact that you’re even asking that makes it worth it. Not every car has to be the most powerful version of the model 🤦♂️
Let's judge cars by how they drive, and not it's spec sheet.... "must be manual, must be V8, blah blah blah" is why I don't talk to car people.
4 cyl versions of the Mustang and Camaro could be the new fun small engine tuner cars but no one gives em the chance. This isnt the 70s and we don't make the Iron Duke anymore. 4 cyl engines can make serious power now and be crazy fun.
They still sound like shit tho lmao
you get stock v8 power with less low end torque from a tuned 4 cyl while spending more money. the v8 leaves so much more room for mods and sounds better. not easy to see why people aren't super big fans of the 4 cyl. a stock v8 would be more reliable, sound better, and then you could make way more power later
Forging the bottom end to make 450whp is why no one cares compared to the V8.
@Grant Winburn but you're forgetting the main point. Forget the v8. Forget the new mustangs and camaros are muscle cars and just look at the ecoboost. Building cars is not about "well this is a better option" its about working with what you have. Is the v8 better? Well duh but that wasnt the point
@@chrisgonz19if that’s what you have that’s fine, work with it, the ecoboost is fragile and is the 2.0 in the Camaro and that’s why it’s not a good option. Big build ecoboosts start with a Focus ST block and stroke it to 2.3 to make the bigger power numbers and they had to build the bottom end for 450whp. They’re commuter engines, and by the time you’re making V8 power the price is the same if not more than the V8. If you want a little bolt on commuter car they’re great for that but there’s things that aren’t worth the money and a big horsepower Ecoboost isn’t it.
As a current owner of this exact same car I'm currently in the process of working on this exact same build except I have the manual. This is a tuner's dream disguised as a muscle car. I'm having the time of my life 10 out of 10 would recommend.
Im with you I own A 17 Manual too and I just did Muffler delete and I do love it I’m looking to get it tune on 85 as well
@@josesandoval1726 nice! You got a Instagram? Would love to DM about our builds.
I have the same car and want to modify it don’t know where to start though…any tips ?
@@wlashay56 zzp cold air intake, cat back exhaust, and check out racechip they make a boost and throttle controller. It's a good start but have zzp tune it for the best results.
@@wlashay56easiest bolt ons K&N Cold air intake, Dual BOV, ZZP Larger throttle body, muffler delete. After I’d say intercooler and down pipe but those actually require some work like a jack or lift lmao. The moment you do those last though you’re going to need a tune, so there’s that and is why I recommend the above ones first before you touch those last two. If you got the money just do the ZZP stage 1 kit. Has everything you need. I do recommend a K&N CAI over zzp if you plan on installing a Dual BOV which I do.(can get from American muscle)
4 cylinder cars are cool too! My wife has an eco boost Mustang. With the lighter weight engine in the front, it’s a blast to drive on twisty back roads!
For what it's worth, the Camaro still has the V6, too. The 2.0T truly was meant as a base, rental-spec engine option. If GM went the same route as Ford and axed the V6 I think we would have ended up with a stronger base to start with in these. It's a bit of a shame we won't ever get to see GMs newer 2.7T in Camaro form.
The LTG engine is built like a race engine...it was never meant to be a rental car....I think Chevy was trying to steal customers away from sport hatchbacks as theres a huge customer base for 4 banger turbos and the Tuner crowd....The 4 banger Camaro is a full on sports car.
Maybe for the Camaro the 2.0 was base, but I had a Cadillac ATS with the 2.0T. The 2.5 NA 4 cyl was base for the Cadillac with the V6 being the “top” tier. When comparing the stock hp/tq numbers I chose the 2.0T and on top of that it has a pretty decent aftermarket compared to most 4 cylinder platforms. I don’t consider the 2.0t a base/rental engine.
So many of you don't know the history and design of the EcoTec. This engine keeps breaking records and minds since the early 00s. "For what it's worth" I prefer most of you stay this ignorant, it's funnier when the EcoTec gaps...
Agreed, a 2.7t with 350ish hp should replace the 2.0 and v6
@@cooltd825 Yeah, I have both a 17 Camaro SS and a 17 Camaro I4 turbo FBO with a Spec stage 1 clutch and aluminum flywheel...the 4 banger is a bad a$$ sports car, especially on a Road course.
The turbo 4 Mustang/Camaro really don’t deserve the hate they get. There aren’t many options if you want a modern affordable rwd sports car with a manual and a turbo 4 cylinder.
OMFG YES ZZP GETTING RECOGNITION!!! Ive used these guys for years to build my cadillac ATS, super cool team and a pleasure to work with!
love the guys at the zzp who built this camaro🙌 they make some crazy cars, had the chance to ride in and drive the owners green chevy sonic rs, absolute hoot to drive🤌🤘
Yessir used them for my 486hp turbocharged 3.8 Impala LS.
The hot-rodded 4 banger is ok, I get it. It's actually probably a more fun car on back roads than the V8 because you can actually drive it and push a little harder without worrying about overpowering anything as easily. The automatic though is just unforgivable though, ruins the aforementioned funness of the car imo.
yea, automatics should be banned, ide rather drive a manual economy car than an automatic sports car.... automatic ruins the experience
ZZP is honestly really creative when it comes to swaps and I love them so far! Keep up the content dude!
Not a swap. It’s an ltg, they came factory in them
Yeah it's how they come factory
swap?
@@tyhyhh no they come with tgus engine it's the LTG ecotec I believe
@@Matt_Lanzer_13 ZZP specializes in a lot of motor swaps. They originated from 2ZZGE swap kits for mr2s and such. And do other toyot v6s now too is why they said creative swaps.
i came back to this video to say i bought an LTG camaro and built it with only ZZP parts.. i’m blown away at how much i love it.. thank you for always showing unique builds over the years and truly showing what it’s like to own them
No different than an EB Mustang and there's nothing wrong with both. I think it's great that there's entry level options into both platforms. What is surprising to me, is the amount of work required for reliability at 450 wheel. I would suspect that is a huge reason why no one chooses to mod these unlike the Mustang. Aftermarket support aside, the Ecoboost can handle 450 wheel fairly reliably, and usually only a Upgraded turbo, intercooler, and fueling is needed to get there. Having to spend all the extra money and time to build the ecotec is a bummer. At that point it's probably better to get a v6 Camaro and slap a turbo on it than to spend equivalent money to build the ecotec.
Exactly. My 2.0t accord is making that with a turbo upgrade and ethanol. Zero engine work and running strong for 45k miles.
Yea id def just do an accord and some hondata and bolt ons and call it a day
@@shad3128 you spelt ktuner wrong 😂
The LTG engine is more reliable than the EB with it's head gasket issues....the only thing needed to keep from damaging a piston in the LTG is the switch to an upgraded intercooler to prevent pre-detonation....and oils that won't detonate in the chamber...that's it.
@sugerhitman1295 Really isn't headgasket issues
You need to review the 700hp ATSV I’ve seen on there channel! It’s the one with Xona rotor turbos.
in 20 years, these camaros along with the ecoboost mustang will be the new 240/180sx beater project cars.
You're absolutely right. The domestic versions.
2 liter engine is no slouch. With correct upgrades and tuning it will give the big v8 bros a run for their money
It's the Turbo....
I've always been a fan of both Chevy and Ford's four-cylinder turbo engines. More so the Ecoboost, because it harkens back to the days of the Mustang SVO, but both platforms are very overlooked by most enthusiasts, because they don't have V8s.
And don't get me wrong, I love the Coyote and the LT1, but the Ecoboost and Ecotec engines work quite well in these platforms.
Think of the 2.3 Ecoboost as a modern interpretation of a Mustang SVO, because really, that's what it is.
Think of the 2.0 Ecotec as a modern interpretation of Pontiac's Sprint Six engines.
It's a bit of a stretch, being handicapped by two cylinders, but the idea is the same; less power, better handling.
If you haven't ever actually driven either a 2.0 Camaro or a 2.3 Mustang, do it. You'll likely think differently of them than you do currently.
I’m glad that you showcase all different platform builds…the owners, especially providing them for you to do it as well. Your unbiased feedback on them is what makes it great!!
I think the reason these have garnered such attention is because of the original use of the motor in the ATS, which folks were already inclined to modify due to them being on the alpha platform. I currently own an LTG ATS rwd sedan with just about the book thrown at it. They are super fun and quite unique. I see modified LTG's once a month or so.
ZZP rocks, congrats Tyler. I love that you show one of the best car aftermarket companies I have personally dealt with some love... Awesome video,thanks 👌
Ecotech… shit is gonna blow up real soon
@Figgy27 it's been going for a while now and the owner ain't babying it.
@@EBKFiXXY only reason an ecotec will blow is too much boost or not properly tuned. zzp’s green chevy sonic rs my friend and i drove untuned and melted a piston. gotta be super catastrophic to rly screw the motor.
@@scaryz31 like any other motor… ecotec is fine
Not a big fan of 4 cylinder turbos but this one’s pretty badass 😂
This I can see being a perfect track car, personally I'd love to see it 6 speed manual, but the weight distribution must be amazing especially with the coil-overs
Add to the fact that the 1LE package is available on the I4 trims
@@mrpopo5854Was available. Unfortunately they stopped doing the 1LE trim in I4 and V6 trims in 2022.
Facts bro
I have a 2017 2.0 V4 Camaro. It’s not that great but it’s not that bad actually. Faster than most cars on the roads and the gas mileage is good. I’m glad you made this video bro I was waiting on one for the 2.0 turbo camaro
Got a really nice 2015 ATS 2.0t fully built pushing about 550-560hp got every single upgrade for zzp this thing is awesome and my friends love it since it’s so different
How much you think you’ve spent to get to 550?
Wow! I mean I've heard of 6-cylinder Mustangs. But a muscle car with a four-banger....WHAT?! I really like that you covered this oddity of a muscle car.
Look back to the 80s there were 4cyl turbo cars, the SVO mustang, Dodge Daytonas, Formula firebirds
This is literally nothing new 😂
It's been around..... As the others have said
a muscle car has 8 cylinders
@@arrgorndenethor Formula Firebirds didn't have 4 cyls
ZZP is AMAZING! I got a Cadillac ATS 2.0t 6spd and basically every mod is from ZZP. Never had any fitment or breakage issues from their products. Superior company for sure, great to see them get the recognition they deserve
How much you pushing and how much $ have you spent on the engine?
Absolutely love my 4cyl Camaro some love the loud sound of a V8 , which I 100% do as well , but I love the turbo spool and blow off sound !! No hate to anyone’s ride. The way I look at it if someone doesn’t like it , well that’s why you don’t have one I guess !!
I've always have dug these, I have a 2019 4 cyl Camero auto, I SMOKE SOOO MANY PEOPLE OFF THE LINE AND TO FINISH ACTUALLY . LOVE YOUR PAINT KOB I WANT ONE AS WELL THAT TYPE BUT THE COST WHOOOO
ZZP build the coolest sleepers HANDS DOWN
My first car my senior year was a 93 mustang fox body with the2.4L 4cyl. So slow. This was in 2003. I put a 50 shot dry ZEX nitrous kit on it and it was actually a lot of fun after that.
Anything zzp puts time and effort into is worth a look always, and this thing I just bad ass
I own a 2017 camaro Rs 2.0 6 speeds With A Mishimoto cold Intake, with Muffler delete.. and Tbh I do Love it💯😮💨
Now you have my undivided attention. This should be interesting.
When I first got into cars, I thought bigger was ALWAYS better. Now I can appreciate both and appreciate the kind of people I’ve met that didn’t always have the coolest best versions of their car.
That thing is sick! I'd wanna make a slidey boi version with a bi turbo setup for tourqe equalization for top end and bottom end.
The cavalier 2.4 turbo was the first 4cyl to do sub 10 1/4 mile. There also was that guy that built the Pontiac under 5 seconds I believe
With the little 4 pot up front it probably handles or has the potential to handle really well in comparison
LS/LT engines are pretty small and light for the displacement and power they have. I don’t think having a 4 popper makes any difference in handling on this particular platform.
@@augustortiz , 300 + pounds make a big difference in handling and braking
@@richardtaylor9656 you ignored everything he said. The LS/LT blocks with aluminum heads and block are like 550~ odd pounds with all accessories. A Honda B18 weighs the same if not more. Get the idea out of your head that "hur dur, old America V8 heavy" and realize we're in the modern day age of CNC, computer designed blocks using CAD, economy everything. Engines nowadays have to be light, if they're not, they're a diesel.
Alloy and just general metallurgy technology has come a very long way in 30 years to allow us to make alloys that are light yet very strong to tensile forces
@Jacob Webb you're ignoring the fact thay the ecoboost camaro is much lighter than the camaro ss. Probably because the ecoboost camaro is designed with lower strength (smaller) parts which weigh much less on top of having half the cylinders.
@@jacobwebb8818 the 2.0 weighs 300lb less than the ss...just to be clear
Fun fact that most don’t know is that motor and factory turbo also comes in the Buick Regal as well as the Malibu. I have a 2013 Malibu with this motor in it and I’ve done a few things to it. Mine is putting down 300+ at the wheels up from the know factory 225ish whp. Not a rocket by any means, but still fun to make people scratch their heads. Lol
I was really hoping when they released this 4 cylinder platform that we would see big things. I am surprised that it hasn’t taken off yet tbh.
This engine is also in the Cadillac ATS and CTS. It’s a bit more popular on that side
Because there’s plenty of 2.0L 4 cylinders available with huge aftermarket support. From the Honda Ks to the Volkswagen EA888
Also like he says, Camaro synonymous with V8.
Glad to see the Camaro ecoboost getting it’s time in the lime light.
Because a ford focus st with just a bolt on turbo kit will make 450whp EASY without building the bottom end. If you spent that money on any other platform you'd make 650whp + reliably. It's a dead end platform and always will be if I need aux fuel, rods pistons stage 3 cams etc etc etc for 450whp it's not 2008 anymore.
@velocity wot exactly what I was saying 450whp with all that work is not worth it. Plus the ecoboost mustang took all the hype when the pony cars got turbos.
When the other engine choices in the platform include a legendary motor like the LS/LT V8, it makes the I4/V6 options much less appealing.
Major shoutout to TDIB giving Michigan some recognition we deserve with ZZP! I have a V8 but these 2.0T is definitely underrated. Mad kudos to the owner who spent the money on the built but getting the V8 + cam would be better for the long haul when you want more power down the road
At the end of the day u can get power out of anything it doesn’t matter how many cylinders it has I seen 4 bangers or 6 cylinders beat V8 in V10
I honestly wish the turbo 4 Camaro and Mustang were not Camaro's and Mustangs. Some fascia changes and a different name would make a lot of people think more highly of the Turbo 4 Models. What if the 2.0T Camaro was styled slightly less aggressive and called Chevy Monte Caro/Lumina/Beretta whatever. A slightly differently styled Mustang only available with the turbo 4 would make a great new Probe or Capri.
No kidding. I drive past that thing every day. I live dang near right across from that ZZP warehouse. Super nice guys.
Definitely a really cool build, neat to see something different. I do think unless 4 cyl Camaro prices drop though, it would be a hard sell to go this route over an alternative turbo car or if a Camaro fan moving to the V8.
Very much so a “you have to WANT a Camaro” but also have a love for the import style turbo build. Niche market, but would be stoaked to see one like this on the road or at a meet.
I like that ZZpeformance develops stuff for uncommon platforms
Reliability and weight distribution are important. I'm wondering how much lighter the 2.0 is, and how it affects the cornering. Also, you can build more power with the V8, but for road coarse application there is a power to weight ratio and distribution that is ideal
My car weighs 3400lbs with me in it, approximately 300-400lbs lighter than the V8 models. Ends up being nearly perfect 50/50 weight distribution. It's a ton of fun on the road course.
Had both a 4 banger and V8. You feel the weight in corners and the weight balance too. 4banger handles better and I can really throw the front end around.
@@wellingtonbruh3756 Turn in is so good with the 4 cylinder. The V8 is great, but you can definitely feel the weight difference.
it's definitely a breath of fresh air. i love to see unexpected builds
I heard the opposite about reliability, though: that the 2.3 Ecoboost is LESS reliable than the LTG.
I’d like to see more of zzp’s builds on here. Do it for the ecotec enthusiasts
My buddy had one of these in 2018 it was the RS model it was super funny riding in it. It didn’t make sense. People didn’t believe him either no one understood. Unfortunately it had tons of problems from factory and he got it lemon lawed. It was a super dope car tho
Back when the original Mustang SVO with the turbo Lima (along with the T-Bird Turbo) came out, those cars made a lot of sense to build considering they made similar numbers to a stock 5.0L. They are still very cool as far as 80s Fox bodies go.
But now the whole point of these smaller engines is the value proposition. If you're going to spend nearly as much money as the difference between the base and SS to build a turbo 2.0L up to SS levels, that's thoroughly pointless unless you're just trying to be different. Kudos to the creator of this one though, it looks pretty well done even with the auto.
The turbo camaro os several hundred lbs lighter than a LT1 camaro, the lightest V8 and with similar crank hp and more torque and sticky rubber it"d be considerably quicker in all acceleraation and the Turbo Camaro 1LE has higher skid pad than any/all other Camaros. But yeah stock power its a rental.
Remember though the point of this car isn’t to be extremely powerful. That’s what the v8 is for. This is for novice drivers, people on a budget, or teens.
I love when you do videos showcasing lower trim muscle cars! Builds like these are super unique and really embody the spirit of american muscle regardless of how many cylinders they have
Over covid quarantine I started throwing a bunch of zzp parts into my 2.0L Cadillac, running full stage 2 on 91 octane, it definitely gets rid of the old man vibe 🤣
Love all the different cars you review! I’m torn on this one. I love the idea of building a 4 cylinder Camaro….but I love the V8.
the v8 is just going to be much more reliable in the long run
Honestly, the 4 banger and v6 muscle cars (barring the charger/challenger v6) are legit performance cars now. I don’t think I’d dump a bunch of money into modding one though, because at that point you might as well have just bought the v8 from the start and had a better starting point
Thanks again David for the great review and coming to the shop. I hope this gives some people with the LTG Camaro to have some fun.
I think that one of the commenters said it best, the 4 cylinder Camaro is best when looked at in a vacuum. Imagine this: GM announces that they're coming out with a new fun vehicle. RWD, turbo with good power, available manual, available LSD, 50/50 weight distribution, relatively light (>3400lbs). They would be revered and people would love it. However, because it the Camaro name attached people hate it. Yes, there's always going to be the V8 version available, yes there's always a better option out there; however, for people who can't afford the V8 or want better gas mileage (The LTG version will get +30mpg on the highway with premium) or whatever they may want, it's not a great platform to have some fun with.
Dodge should've took the dart and made a rwd 2.0 litre little Pony car . It could've been the GT86, Miata or S2k rival for JDM. Especially if Dodge offered a converitble and hardtop version or at least sold a nice hard top for it. I think of they really focused on making it reliable as well as giving it some really good looks the car easily would've caught a lot of buyers especially cause it would've been something none of us would've expected Dodge to do
Nah they should keep it FWD but made a SRT version around 250hp then a GLH version with AWD 300+ hp.
I always considered the 79 mustang, 84-86 mustang SVO's, 86-90 thunderbird Turbo coupes as muscle cars and always loved the way a rwd 4cyl turbo felt..super light, nimble..i'm sure this is that x1000! I like it alot.
Please do a review of the zzp Chevy cruise
I can't speak for the earlier ones, but my 2019 2.0T Camaro has yet to have any mechanical issues at 67,000 miles so far. Haven't exactly babied it either, hahaha. The stock version of the motor is unusual for a modern turbo-4, with a lot more top-end whooosh and some turbo lag before that. Polar opposite of the EcoBoost Mustangs and BMWs it competes with, which have beefier midrange and less at the top. Go test-drive one -- it's a much more '90s tuner car experience than any other boosted car on sale these days.
How's it still holding up? Very curious since I'm getting a 2019 2.0t in a few days
I love the ltg cars, there was one floating around with full 1le suspension and it was damn near as fast as the v8 models around the track Bc it has like 300 pounds off the nose. As for this particular car, Zzp’s personal cars are all really nice, but man they need to work on their quality control. There’s a bunch of problems with a lot of their parts. Like for example; Their billet 3800 fuel rails came assembled wrong for a long time, rather than take the blame and fix the problem, their response was “oh the guy assembling them was doing it wrong” like ok cool, but he’s still your employee and your product was problematic. Idk, I’ve used their parts but still it’s annoying lol
I used to relish in this experience years ago when I had a very rowdy 86 SVO. It always threw people for a loop. I have another that is slowly going back together because they are just fun cars.
I love how you always do different and unique builds. Not your typical Supras and common stuff. You always bring out something interesting. Different in a very good way. I pray that 👌
that first giggle said it all.
So I had no idea my Ion Redline had a better built 2.0 Liter Eco Tech? I got 200k on mine and it’s running strong 💪🏾
Is it still going? How is it
@@goatz556 it’s going great 👍 just fixed the exhaust. Bola resonator and muffler.
@@FugitiveVette nice, how many miles have you got on it? Any major or minor problems with it aswell? (Asking these cuz I'm getting a 2019 2.0t in a couple days lmao) doesn't seem like there's a ton of vids on the 4cyl Camaros other than reviewers
@@goatz556 engine is amazing. Power, speed + reliability and never consumes oil even at 200k
@@goatz556 yeah I 💭 why ? No one has done a 2.0 Camaro build other than this vid?
I don't know what is so unique about the sound. It sounds just like every vacuum cleaner I've ever heard.
I believe the main reason why they even bothered to make 4 cylinder Mustangs and Camaros is to tap into the global market (Europe-Japan) that has ridiculous taxes for anything above the 2-2.5 Litre category. I have seen tons of 4 Cylinder Mustangs here in Greece for instance.
I seriously wonder who would fall for such a steaming pile of bs.
Always wondered about these, i always see modified ecoboost mustangs but not 2L camaros 🤔
Same. I think the mustang has an edge when it comes to handling and drivability though. So if you’re going to modify a 4cyl, may as well get one that offers the other things you need when doing a lightweight, performance based build. That is kinda my thoughts.
I think it’s price. I think the mustang gives you more for less money.
I think it has to do with Chevrolet wants you to buy the V8 and made the 4 cylinder so they can continue the SS. Ford would like nothing more for people to buy nothing but their ecoboost line up so they could drop the V8 and save money. So you get more aftermarket support for the Ecoboost and less for the EcoTec.
@@WhoThisGuy515 I thought the ford ecoboost was really expensive for them to produce? I could be way off but buying a crate ecoboost is really expensive compared to their V8 I thought.
mustang benefits from the focus aftermarket
You people are thinking wrong. This probably destroys every V8 variant on every track. This has been shown on many platforms because of better balance.
Same power, better fuel economy.😂
I am building an ltg engine now with forged rods and diamond pistons. Lspi is the killer of this engine. Using quality fuel, larger injectors and fuel pump will help it not die. Also a good pcv system like the Tracy Lewis catch can system will protect you as well. A tune by a tuner who knows what they are doing is a must with any upgrade because of the sensitivity of these motora
Im sure the reason these cars arent really popular for people who like modyfing cars is beacuse of what you said about just spending the money on a v8. It doesnt make sense to me to put a bunch of money into a 4 cyl just to make what the stock v8 does but with less reliability. Id rather just sell the I4 and put the money towards a v8 with alot more potential...
Nah, whenever I hear camaro, bumblebee comes to mind
I had a 2020 camaro 2.0t that was I take downpipe from zzp and it was just as fast as a scat pack and it handled so well personally wasn’t reliable but I beat the crap out of mine for almost 100k mile and it finally blew up
100k miles isn't too terrible my golf r felt like garbage at 100k miles
People who complain about turbo muscle cars forgot about the fox body mustang SVO.
Mk8 gti? Whats your take David?
Personally, I love mine.
Gotta love ZZP. I have a tone of there stuff on my Bonneville SSEI. (3.8 supercharged v6)
This needs to be a stick….
When I was sitting in a 550 AWHP Evo 9 watching an EcoBoost Mustang walk away like we were in a d16 Civic, to 170 plus, I knew they were a contender. And I have a 99 Regal GS with a ZZP Z3 turbo kit with a 58 mil turbo on 15 PSI lol
Dude turns down all kinds of amazing cars but drives this lmfao
Love to see these built, even the ecoboost mustang, definitely would be fun to gap a v8 in the 4cyl
This car is so slept on. Ecoboosts are too.
People are always shocked when I say I’d totally own a 4 cylinder muscle car. I’d prefer the v8 of course but I’d also love the opertunity to build a eco boost or ecotech car. I actually badly want to build either a fox body or thunderbird and put a modern eco boost in it. To bad my thunderbird was stolen recently.
My uncles gf got one when they first came out in like 2016. It was a lot of fun for the time but now I have Na Hondas that are way faster. She still has the 4cyl Camaro today runs great!
I’m going to have to correct you. Yes Ford did get rid of the V6. But Chevy still kept the V6. You can still get a 3.6 in a brand new Camaro which is an upgrade to the base 2.0. IMO the 3.6 is a better platform then the 2.0 because the bottom end is much stronger.
If both Ford and Chevy had taken their respective turbo 4 cylinders, and put them in a different RWD car, gear heads would have loved them, but the suits knew that ignorant people would buy the four cylinder variant, because they just want to say the have a Camaro/Mustang, and don't actually know that there is a difference
Exactly!
Those ZZPerformance guys always do cool shit.
Example: Saturn Ion
I can't be the only one who absolutely loves camaros but wouldn't choose them over a Mustang just because they cannot for the life of them make a good rear end
Me and my wife have old v8 mustangs. 87 and an 01. Went on vacation and we rented a drop top eco boost to try it out.... it was actually not a bad car acceleration wise from a stop but felt a little sucked out trying to accelerate at highway speed to pass.
“You still have the Camaro-isms like, low visibility and stuff like that” lol I love you David!
I love camaros but I hardly see any good builds on this platform, glad to see another addition to that list
oh hey it is the engine from the buick regal tour x.
Boosted 4 cylinders are a lot of fun. I personally drive a gti that is heavily modded and you would be shocked what it can keep up with or even leave behind
I been in a scat pack that got smoked by a gti
David, thank you for your showcasing this ‘maro! Thus I don’t own this car, I own the Cadillac ATS Coupé with my “small” turbo i4….. this showcase shows me what I thought would be, but reading for the ZZP page and dreaming about it, or seeing it in the “flesh” different story…. My plan is to Stage 1 and 2 from ZZPs…. And a few more things, as coilovers, bigger brakes the works…..
This cat for sure has an Sportster that he proudly drives around on....."It has the 1300cc engine, Bro!"
I'm glad to see ZZP is getting more known💕
500 horsepower better steering response and better cornering abilities I'll take that
When they first came out with mustang, camaro, challanger with 4 cyl or V6 I never liked them and hate it but after the covid hits I feel like the 4cyl and V6 has potential now I like it