That ref has a LOT to answer for. Things like this are why I used to think the standing 8 count was the best thing to happen to boxing since they stopped allowing fighters to stand over a knocked-down boxer to wait for them to get up.
I think in the British rings back then there was no standing 8 counts like there was in the USA. So the ref in this fight was just following the rules. But yes I agree with you, the standing 8 count is very important.
Agree 100% about the standing 8 counts, although I'm not sure if it would have saved Kaylor from a TKO in this fight, Drayton was like a man possessed after that first 7th round knockdown. I always thought this was a risky fight for Kaylor, only a few weeks before this fight Drayton had Ko'd British light-middleweight Jimmy Cable in 1 round. But the standing 8 count does make me wonder...Eubank v Watson 2...the WBO rules called for a standing 8 and had Roy Francis given that to Eubank when he was decked, history may (and I say MAY) have been different. Instead as in this fight, the referee waved them straight in, perhaps a British referee with 2 British fighters in a British ring may have caused him confusion...and the rest as they say is history.
drayton is an interesting guy, former marine who was top of his class at boot camp in terms of conditioning which is obviously tough, boxed in the marine corp, became a champion, dropped like a tree against jackson, then became a cop, crazy life and a guy who just loved to box
Drayton made a name for himself by beating another Jackson. He knocked out Clint Jackson in rd 2 on ESPN's Friday night fights. That was back when Clint Jackson was highly regarded.
Drayton always trained very hard. He was always in top shape. He admitted that he was influenced into training obsessively by his friend and sparring partner, a man He respected hugely, the greatest middleweight champion of them all, Marvelous Marvin Hagler. May they both rest in peace.
Yep. When you watch this, it’s like a century apart from today. It’s an old fashioned fist fight, with manners. Standing eight allows the boxer a breather. Also, Kaylor took a knee, he needed reflection but the ref sent him to oblivion..
kaylor did come back from this defeat to have some european title fights, and he won a british title eliminator (though i don't know if he then went on beat the champion) - i think he was better than most people said.
no - the referee didn't actually count to 10 if you notice - he stopped counting at about 5 or something and then stopped the fight - so a tko - the ref must reach 10 and the fighter still be down for a ko - a bit silly in this case like you say - but that is the rule.
@@mrgobrien You are saying that a boxer must always receive a count of 10 for it to be a knockout. Kaylor was clearly concious but unable to even begin getting to his feet. This was in no way a contraversial stoppage and the fact that Kaylor was in no fit state to even make a compplaint proves that the referee acted correctly. What the ref did do wrong was allow kaylor to go down more than three times and also try to take a sneaky knee when his back was turned on knockdown Four. Very clearly he was going to get seriously hurt and he did. very few refs would have let it go that far.
@@adrianboyddodd8007 no - you misunderstand - i was explaining why boxrec has it as a tko and not a ko (both ways count as stoppage victories). most people looking at it would say it was a ko, but that isn't what the rule is - in a situation like that it depends if the ref reaches 10 (a ko) or decides to stop counting at say 5 or 6 etc and just stops the fight instead (which is one way of it being a tko) - and that second way is what happened. of course there are other ways to get a tko stoppage too (by cuts or where the ref stops a fighter who is still actually standing etc) - but strangely it is a tko in that kaylor way in the video too - because the ref didn't actually reach 10 when counting.
@@mrgobrien Ah . I didn't know that boxrec uses such criteria for KO vs TKO. This would explain why it is littered with such miss labelling. I even saw the Povetkin KO of Dillion Whyte labelled as TKO in the weeks that followed that fight, but it has since been changed.
Before boxrec the BBBoC record books used to have TCO (technical count out) and RSC (referee stops contest/fight). I guess with boxrec it was easier to go with TKO. The ref is the only one who can call a TKO but this ref needed shooting, all the signs were there including the best one of all, the fighter taking a knee. Back then the corner could throw in the towel into a British ring but the ref didn't have to care or notice and more often than not, would ignore it. I remember one fight where it landed on the ref's head and he threw it out the ring.
I understand the brutality of the sport and the fact the ref was trying to let the man defend his Championship in his backyard but dang Bro there’s a point where you gotta save the kid humiliation and possibly his life Buster was going for Blood 🩸
The fight should have been stopped way earlier. In my opinion, the right time was after the second knockdown, but the referee let Kaylor get knocked down twice more and he ended up unconscious. Terrible refereeing.
@@anthonymcken6050 I know that, but even then, the referee in a boxing match didn't have to wait for a boxer to be virtually dead before he stopped the fight. There was even a time when Kaylor dropped to one knee without being hit, either in submission or wanting to take a count to regroup, and the referee ordered him to get up. To me, that is a clear indication that something is not right, and the fight should have been stopped there and then.
Green eyes. “Hammered” by world class fighters? maybe twice if you count this. He was beating drayton until he got caught imo. Lost to sibson on a close points decision. Graham he was severely weight drained and it showed. He had no strength. only fight I’d say he got beat pretty bad.
Buster drayton then DROPS LIKE A TREE against julian “the hawk” jackson!!! “And drayton is still firing back- a tremendous hook tim! Drayton drops like a tree!!!”
RIP, Buster Drayton
Indeed. Warrior 🥊😞
@@serenityinside1What a warrior. The man was a boss.
Kaylor’s limitation’s laid bare here
That ref has a LOT to answer for. Things like this are why I used to think the standing 8 count was the best thing to happen to boxing since they stopped allowing fighters to stand over a knocked-down boxer to wait for them to get up.
I think in the British rings back then there was no standing 8 counts like there was in the USA. So the ref in this fight was just following the rules. But yes I agree with you, the standing 8 count is very important.
What exactly is the purpose of a standing 8 count?
Agree 100% about the standing 8 counts, although I'm not sure if it would have saved Kaylor from a TKO in this fight, Drayton was like a man possessed after that first 7th round knockdown. I always thought this was a risky fight for Kaylor, only a few weeks before this fight Drayton had Ko'd British light-middleweight Jimmy Cable in 1 round. But the standing 8 count does make me wonder...Eubank v Watson 2...the WBO rules called for a standing 8 and had Roy Francis given that to Eubank when he was decked, history may (and I say MAY) have been different. Instead as in this fight, the referee waved them straight in, perhaps a British referee with 2 British fighters in a British ring may have caused him confusion...and the rest as they say is history.
For clarification purposes, when I said standing 8, what I actually meant was the _mandatory_ 8. I wish I had clarified that a long time before now.
@@JCX4801 yes mandatory 8 that's how I understood your comment, I should have made that clear
Wow I didn’t know Buster passed away
The ref wanted Kaylor to win!! Keep going boy you can do it, BANG!!
That left hook at 0:51.....How the hell did Kaylor stay on his feet after that ?
drayton is an interesting guy, former marine who was top of his class at boot camp in terms of conditioning which is obviously tough, boxed in the marine corp, became a champion, dropped like a tree against jackson, then became a cop, crazy life and a guy who just loved to box
Drayton made a name for himself by beating another Jackson. He knocked out Clint Jackson in rd 2 on ESPN's Friday night fights. That was back when Clint Jackson was highly regarded.
Drayton always trained very hard. He was always in top shape.
He admitted that he was influenced into training obsessively by his friend and sparring partner, a man He respected hugely, the greatest middleweight champion of them all, Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
May they both rest in peace.
It's like that ref wanted Kaylor to be dead in order to stop it.
Kaylor no quitter that's for sure
Yep. When you watch this, it’s like a century apart from today. It’s an old fashioned fist fight, with manners. Standing eight allows the boxer a breather. Also, Kaylor took a knee, he needed reflection but the ref sent him to oblivion..
On god buster draton is my pop pop
im happy u like my cusion mark :)
I'm his love child.
@@alistairbartlett6569wtf
Should have been stopped after the third knockdown.
Bloody ridiculous that Mark had to take further punishment
He asked for it.
kaylor did come back from this defeat to have some european title fights, and he won a british title eliminator (though i don't know if he then went on beat the champion) - i think he was better than most people said.
He was a hype job had he been born a different time he probably would have had a career like Joe Calzaghe.
wtf. Boxrec has this as a TKO. That as clear a KO as I ever saw.
no - the referee didn't actually count to 10 if you notice - he stopped counting at about 5 or something and then stopped the fight - so a tko - the ref must reach 10 and the fighter still be down for a ko - a bit silly in this case like you say - but that is the rule.
@@mrgobrien You are saying that a boxer must always receive a count of 10 for it to be a knockout.
Kaylor was clearly concious but unable to even begin getting to his feet. This was in no way a contraversial stoppage and the fact that Kaylor was in no fit state to even make a compplaint proves that the referee acted correctly.
What the ref did do wrong was allow kaylor to go down more than three times and also try to take a sneaky knee when his back was turned on knockdown Four.
Very clearly he was going to get seriously hurt and he did. very few refs would have let it go that far.
@@adrianboyddodd8007 no - you misunderstand - i was explaining why boxrec has it as a tko and not a ko (both ways count as stoppage victories).
most people looking at it would say it was a ko, but that isn't what the rule is - in a situation like that it depends if the ref reaches 10 (a ko) or decides to stop counting at say 5 or 6 etc and just stops the fight instead (which is one way of it being a tko) - and that second way is what happened.
of course there are other ways to get a tko stoppage too (by cuts or where the ref stops a fighter who is still actually standing etc) - but strangely it is a tko in that kaylor way in the video too - because the ref didn't actually reach 10 when counting.
@@mrgobrien Ah . I didn't know that boxrec uses such criteria for KO vs TKO. This would explain why it is littered with such miss labelling. I even saw the Povetkin KO of Dillion Whyte labelled as TKO in the weeks that followed that fight, but it has since been changed.
Before boxrec the BBBoC record books used to have TCO (technical count out) and RSC (referee stops contest/fight). I guess with boxrec it was easier to go with TKO. The ref is the only one who can call a TKO but this ref needed shooting, all the signs were there including the best one of all, the fighter taking a knee. Back then the corner could throw in the towel into a British ring but the ref didn't have to care or notice and more often than not, would ignore it. I remember one fight where it landed on the ref's head and he threw it out the ring.
I understand the brutality of the sport and the fact the ref was trying to let the man defend his Championship in his backyard but dang Bro there’s a point where you gotta save the kid humiliation and possibly his life Buster was going for Blood 🩸
Was a non title fight.
@@nicholasjones7990 Doesn`t that make it worse ??
@@jimred5700
It does.
You’d laugh if I told you why he let the fight go
Did that ref take a punch lol.He was letting Kaylor go on and on ffsake im surprised he wasnt in hospital.
The fight should have been stopped way earlier. In my opinion, the right time was after the second knockdown, but the referee let Kaylor get knocked down twice more and he ended up unconscious.
Terrible refereeing.
This was the 80s a different time before smoking in public places was banned and everywhere was so health and safety conscious.
@@anthonymcken6050 I know that, but even then, the referee in a boxing match didn't have to wait for a boxer to be virtually dead before he stopped the fight.
There was even a time when Kaylor dropped to one knee without being hit, either in submission or wanting to take a count to regroup, and the referee ordered him to get up.
To me, that is a clear indication that something is not right, and the fight should have been stopped there and then.
Bruno got flattened that night too by bonecrusher smith
Kaylor the blue eyed boy of British boxing but when he came across world class fighters he got hammered.
Green eyes. “Hammered” by world class fighters? maybe twice if you count this. He was beating drayton until he got caught imo. Lost to sibson on a close points decision. Graham he was severely weight drained and it showed. He had no strength. only fight I’d say he got beat pretty bad.
He was a good fighter.
I enjoyed his fight against Roy Gumbs.
That was a classic slugfest
Buster drayton then DROPS LIKE A TREE against julian “the hawk” jackson!!! “And drayton is still firing back- a tremendous hook tim! Drayton drops like a tree!!!”
The ref should have stopped the fight earlier. What a skunk.
Terrible job by the referee, he could have cost Kaylor his career or even his life there.....
He almost killed him.
The referee was shocking🙄
Let's face facts our lads back then where as upright and stiff as scaffold planks.
I believe Kaylor went into this fight with a hand injury, bad move against someone as good as Drayton.
Standing 8 might have helped kaylor , but he should have taken a knee after the first knockdown
Standing eight? This is pro boxing!