Bliss, I am from Iran and currently here, I know you are aware of the situation and that the Internet is down all day, I've been trying to get connected all afternoon to come here and watch the videos I'm behind on and here I am finally at 3:30 am! 🙌 I love love love your content!
I saw this on a Reddit forum a few years ago and couldn’t for the life of me remember what it was. No results on Google searches for years, driving myself crazy. I thought this runway show was a dream but finally today the algorithm recommended your video and I screamed
How can you not address the metaphorical meaning of rubber bands and Tape?! (Or did I miss it?) Both have the use of holding something together that otherwise literally would fall apart. The tape holds the garment together. A rubber belt holds the trousers on the body. The rubber socks prevent the person from slipping on wet grounds. The rubber "tunic" has the color and shape of a life vest. But by being closed in the front other than a vest, it even seems to prevent the person's torso from falling apart. The latter feels to me like referring to the emotional state of the person. I just recently discovered your channel. Great work man! Love from Berlin
I will scour interviews and site the relevant quotes, but he has stated that he doesn’t see himself like that, and only sees himself as a clothing designer. Given his background in tailoring and leather working it’s not surprising he doesn’t see himself as anything but a clothing designer.
I just want to point out that if there really was an attempt to convey the message "the clothes are ruined, but for who" as they were put on water, the rubber knitwear would make more sense. Rubber has no rection when in contact with water, it does not absorb it nor does it corrode with it - Rubber shirts are the garments out of this collection that do not get ruined by the water.
I think that the rubber clothing and belts are a comment on the use of spandex at the time. My mother worked in fashion and from what she says, it was the new technology and it was in EVERYTHING. The reason why stretch is put into clothing is not to make it inherently comfortable, but to make it comfortable IMMEDIATELY. As opposed to a wool sweater, or jacket,or blazer, or stiff new jeans, that after a bit of wear become soft. And as many people believe, gives the garment character from the wearer and the fabric/dying process. This is not to say that all stretch fabric is shitty, but rather that it makes trendy clothes that you are discarding regularly very soft and broken in immediately. Perhaps the sweaters and belts propose a world with only stretch garments and showing how unforgiving they are,How their textures are ruined and how industrial and sad they look. Especially since carol says he prefers his clothes to be uncomfortable because (im assuming) it shows the character of the clothes, then a non stretch garment would make more sense. I hope this makes sense
Very late to the train here. The towel/stole like top could be a connection to Baptism/ its process and origins. Jesus was baptized in the Jordan river, obviously connecting to the setting of the show. This could be a bit of a stretch, but the Jordan river in the Bible represents the crossing point for the Israelites away from slavery/oppression, and into the promised land. Could be a connection to Poell's commentaries on capitalism/marxism
Terry cloth waistcoat/ vest reminds me of a life vest/ lifesaver… respect for ccp for conceiving the inconceivable and respect for the models to bloody do what they did for art’s/ fashion sake!!! Bow! Bravo! And Bravo to Bliss!
Thanks so much for this bliss - I’ve looked a few times for carol’s work on the net snd I’ve no idea how you managed to generate this episode from the relatively little there is out there - massive well done! CCP is a little beyond me for now but that’s part of the attraction I think; my brain cannot understand everything it sees but it wants to! Would love any future work you might do on CCP and thanks again for bringing this presented so well! Love u!
YESSSS THANK YOU! I stumbled upon a CCP kangaroo leather jacket today at Alan Bilzerian on Newbury St in Boston and it was honestly an extremely moving experience to slip it on. Thank you for being one step ahead of me!
How do we reconcile his marxist philosophy against the fact that the pieces are sold for insane prices? i get this is a pretty tired argument but i think its a pretty important question for fashion houses that advertise on a kind of leftist anti capitalist sensibility
Great question! I think it’s relevant here that the Marxist stuff is not by any means advertised by Carol. those sections of research were mostly referencing “Fashion and Materialism” by Ulrich Lehmann. Separately, are high prices for handmade goods any more or less socialist than cheap, mass produced goods?
@@BlissFoster This has been causing a bit of tension and confusion for me ,i've been binging your margiela series (great work btw) where there seems to be a philosophy of democratizing fashion. I think the high prices for handmade items are creating a sense of unattainability and elitism that is in direct contradiction with the leftist philosophies these houses like to sell themselves on. The type of people who are able to buy these incredible pieces are the upper echelon of the bourgeoisie who both have the money and the education to justify the purchase. At least the one defense you could make for fast fashion garments is that they are affordable enough for the everyday person. of course these garments are made in unsafe conditions essentially through slave labor but that puts the everyday consumer in a hard position. They cannot afford the exclusive, beautiful, classy, cool garment, but they are also actively supporting companies that underpay their factory workers. Both cases are indicative of an industry that thrives off of the discarding of the garment as a functional item and is reliant on the ability to release a new seasons worth of clothes. Both options are unfavorable but at least the fast fashion brand doesnt claim to imbue its clothes with socialist sensibilities. I think its a pretty interesting strategy for capitalism to sell the consumer a socialist identity.
@@ArmedPlaysMCi'm years late but that's not how it works. people like Margiela are still a very small part of the industry and they do not have the power to do significant change. they still need to pay for things, and well made things are usually expensive to make. it would be very weird if, I don't know, LVMH were doing things like that. that would be a mockery.
It's nice to find videos on Poell's work. For someone who is pure avant-garde, it's surprising more material isn't published about his work. Finding archives of his past collections is near impossible.
"The garment doesn't need a human host to realize its potential." I cannot agree. Otherwise, any thing could be worn by any person. But it happens that a T-shirt or jacket does not suit a person
I know this video is a bit old now and I’m not sure if you’ll actually reply, but can you explain the relationship between Poell and Simone Cecchetto? They seem to share a very very similar design language and have boots that look like copies of each others.
I must admit - seriously nice video though - and people should break down the myths and bts of ccp some more - I went to his studio in Milan and looked inside the windows - pretty normal people working there - it’s not that sacred guys - just really interesting to “some” people.
God how I wish there was an HD version of this runway show online
The shoes don't have soles on them cause you're not meant to walk, but float
Bliss, I am from Iran and currently here, I know you are aware of the situation and that the Internet is down all day, I've been trying to get connected all afternoon to come here and watch the videos I'm behind on and here I am finally at 3:30 am! 🙌 I love love love your content!
Please stay safe, Sara. Good luck 💫💫
I saw this on a Reddit forum a few years ago and couldn’t for the life of me remember what it was. No results on Google searches for years, driving myself crazy. I thought this runway show was a dream but finally today the algorithm recommended your video and I screamed
Haha welcome back 😌
How can you not address the metaphorical meaning of rubber bands and Tape?! (Or did I miss it?) Both have the use of holding something together that otherwise literally would fall apart.
The tape holds the garment together. A rubber belt holds the trousers on the body. The rubber socks prevent the person from slipping on wet grounds. The rubber "tunic" has the color and shape of a life vest. But by being closed in the front other than a vest, it even seems to prevent the person's torso from falling apart. The latter feels to me like referring to the emotional state of the person.
I just recently discovered your channel. Great work man! Love from Berlin
I think ccp is almost more of a visual artist than even a fashion designer
yes & no but also, arent all fashion designers, visual artist to some extent?
I will scour interviews and site the relevant quotes, but he has stated that he doesn’t see himself like that, and only sees himself as a clothing designer. Given his background in tailoring and leather working it’s not surprising he doesn’t see himself as anything but a clothing designer.
I just want to point out that if there really was an attempt to convey the message "the clothes are ruined, but for who" as they were put on water, the rubber knitwear would make more sense. Rubber has no rection when in contact with water, it does not absorb it nor does it corrode with it - Rubber shirts are the garments out of this collection that do not get ruined by the water.
this is one of the most in-depth and well-made videos I have ever seen on ANY fashion subject. thank you! :)
I think that the rubber clothing and belts are a comment on the use of spandex at the time. My mother worked in fashion and from what she says, it was the new technology and it was in EVERYTHING. The reason why stretch is put into clothing is not to make it inherently comfortable, but to make it comfortable IMMEDIATELY. As opposed to a wool sweater, or jacket,or blazer, or stiff new jeans, that after a bit of wear become soft. And as many people believe, gives the garment character from the wearer and the fabric/dying process. This is not to say that all stretch fabric is shitty, but rather that it makes trendy clothes that you are discarding regularly very soft and broken in immediately. Perhaps the sweaters and belts propose a world with only stretch garments and showing how unforgiving they are,How their textures are ruined and how industrial and sad they look. Especially since carol says he prefers his clothes to be uncomfortable because (im assuming) it shows the character of the clothes, then a non stretch garment would make more sense. I hope this makes sense
Very late to the train here. The towel/stole like top could be a connection to Baptism/ its process and origins. Jesus was baptized in the Jordan river, obviously connecting to the setting of the show. This could be a bit of a stretch, but the Jordan river in the Bible represents the crossing point for the Israelites away from slavery/oppression, and into the promised land. Could be a connection to Poell's commentaries on capitalism/marxism
Terry cloth waistcoat/ vest reminds me of a life vest/ lifesaver… respect for ccp for conceiving the inconceivable and respect for the models to bloody do what they did for art’s/ fashion sake!!! Bow! Bravo! And Bravo to Bliss!
Thanks so much for this bliss - I’ve looked a few times for carol’s work on the net snd I’ve no idea how you managed to generate this episode from the relatively little there is out there - massive well done! CCP is a little beyond me for now but that’s part of the attraction I think; my brain cannot understand everything it sees but it wants to! Would love any future work you might do on CCP and thanks again for bringing this presented so well! Love u!
13:32 Filet crocheted rubber. That's the strangest thing I've seen today.
Big side note: Marx was dressin. That lil magnifying glass chef's kiss lol.
YESSSS THANK YOU! I stumbled upon a CCP kangaroo leather jacket today at Alan Bilzerian on Newbury St in Boston and it was honestly an extremely moving experience to slip it on. Thank you for being one step ahead of me!
Bro we need some more ccp vids from you
lovelovelove the boots!!!
How do we reconcile his marxist philosophy against the fact that the pieces are sold for insane prices? i get this is a pretty tired argument but i think its a pretty important question for fashion houses that advertise on a kind of leftist anti capitalist sensibility
Great question! I think it’s relevant here that the Marxist stuff is not by any means advertised by Carol. those sections of research were mostly referencing “Fashion and Materialism” by Ulrich Lehmann. Separately, are high prices for handmade goods any more or less socialist than cheap, mass produced goods?
@@BlissFoster This has been causing a bit of tension and confusion for me ,i've been binging your margiela series (great work btw) where there seems to be a philosophy of democratizing fashion.
I think the high prices for handmade items are creating a sense of unattainability and elitism that is in direct contradiction with the leftist philosophies these houses like to sell themselves on. The type of people who are able to buy these incredible pieces are the upper echelon of the bourgeoisie who both have the money and the education to justify the purchase. At least the one defense you could make for fast fashion garments is that they are affordable enough for the everyday person. of course these garments are made in unsafe conditions essentially through slave labor but that puts the everyday consumer in a hard position. They cannot afford the exclusive, beautiful, classy, cool garment, but they are also actively supporting companies that underpay their factory workers. Both cases are indicative of an industry that thrives off of the discarding of the garment as a functional item and is reliant on the ability to release a new seasons worth of clothes.
Both options are unfavorable but at least the fast fashion brand doesnt claim to imbue its clothes with socialist sensibilities.
I think its a pretty interesting strategy for capitalism to sell the consumer a socialist identity.
@@ArmedPlaysMC book suggestion for you: Commodify Your Dissent
@@ArmedPlaysMCi'm years late but that's not how it works. people like Margiela are still a very small part of the industry and they do not have the power to do significant change. they still need to pay for things, and well made things are usually expensive to make.
it would be very weird if, I don't know, LVMH were doing things like that. that would be a mockery.
your summarisation of karl’s work is funny and accurate asf
Thank you Bliss!
This is pure enjoyment, I think this episode is one of the best talk about CCP art ever!
anyone know the website for that tailoring razor? cant find something similar being sold
you are brilliant with your research and presentation !
the socks are indeed rubber
Rubber bands i think could be about money, large sums of money come in the rubber bands and it adds a lot more depth to the whole marxist thing
It's nice to find videos on Poell's work. For someone who is pure avant-garde, it's surprising more material isn't published about his work. Finding archives of his past collections is near impossible.
Thanks for the episode, I didn’t know anything about ccp and I learned a lot, so thanks 🙏
Amazing video!!!
can anyone help me acces style zeitgeist? the site says that registration has been blocked by admin
Just an idea but maybe the floating down the stream is imitating the Ophelia painting from the Shakespeare story?
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AFTER SO LONG BLISS
Nothing better than fashion combined with critical theory
What’s the name of the ‘kangaroo pocket blazer’ and where can I find?
I’m not sure there’s a name for that specific piece 🤔
“The garment doesn’t need a human host to realize its potential.”
"The garment doesn't need a human host to realize its potential." I cannot agree. Otherwise, any thing could be worn by any person. But it happens that a T-shirt or jacket does not suit a person
@@avantgardster why should the garment care if it does not suit a human?
it is not the garments obligation to serve or to be of use for us
I know this video is a bit old now and I’m not sure if you’ll actually reply, but can you explain the relationship between Poell and Simone Cecchetto? They seem to share a very very similar design language and have boots that look like copies of each others.
i just want the sources
CCP an enigma
Great video Bliss, been trying to understand his universe for a while and this helped a lot!!
Why rubber knit too with no undershirt would be painful, I can't imagine that being painful
It would pull at every single body hair on you
I think that's part of the philosophy of the brand
@@simp6068 for sure
nice ccp content, thanks!
Thank you bliss
I must admit - seriously nice video though - and people should break down the myths and bts of ccp some more - I went to his studio in Milan and looked inside the windows - pretty normal people working there - it’s not that sacred guys - just really interesting to “some” people.
An adress of atelier bro?
Plsssss do on quo pei!!!!!
Been missed fam
fire
the rarity of his items make them less desirable to me.
I feel bad for the models. Live right next to navigli and the amount of times that my friends and I have pissed in there is insane
yo wow
Okay how did he flip the pen and catch it like that
Hi Bliss
we love you bliss
Finally a vid on CCP :)
Awesome! Will watch it while eating
INSOPORTABLE! CUANTA INTENSIDAD!
thank you, Bliss, i love you
keep up with the videos
In another YT video the creator of the CCP content said the designer stole recently dead bodies from a morgue to send down the canal. Is that correct?
Nope, if you check the footage, they’re clearly living people. There’s also pics of them getting out of the water. Who said this?
"Carol Christian Pole"
That’s actually how you pronounce it
Do you even umlaut bro
@@narmi3134 pöll
Some pronounce it Powell
Soy