I've got a little more comfortable on my warlock since basically not touching it since Legion. Your content has been really helpful, thanks. I hope all specs stay relatively close and all viable. I think Destro is currently my preferred spec, but I don't hate playing demo.
I get that you're more positive about demo after the numbers tuning, but to me it felt very unsatisfying on PTR, especially re: HoG/imps. They do so little of our damage considering that 75% of our casts are either HoG or building shards (imagine how depressing Chaos Bolt would feel if it did 16% of Destro's damage?), it's not rewarding to cycle shards quickly now that GWD is a flat number, and you don't get that big payoff with tyrant any more
Solution to demo 2 set could be as simple as to let it stack, per demonbolt cast. Removes the whole needing to tab target in aoe and it would gain quite some power in st, numbers can always be tuned afterwards.
I do hope you continue to press the point that demonology's rotation is still rough with the changes to Tyrant and NP. Having the damage is all well and good, but that is "game 2," to use Ion's words. The game they are designing (game 1) emphasizes fun and fluidity and we need to make sure they understand when they're failing there. We have to stop settling for good damage when gameplay is suffering.
Except not everyone agrees with you. Some like the way it is not with more on dmg. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean they should change it. They want it like this it seems
@@Zikkar When things aren't intuitive or require robust third party solutions to make sense of, Blizzard typically doesn't like that and will take action because that is bad design. You can like bad design. That's your business, but I promise, Blizzard does not. And what they've done with the white/blacklist for Tyrant is bad design.
There is one rift from Dimensional Rift that is called Chaos Tear (the one that shoot 1 chaos bolt) which is dealing at least 40-50% less damage than the other Rifts (Unstable Tear & Shadowy Tear) and does not scale with haste. It feels bad when Chaos Tear is summoned, a targeted damage buff to this particular rift is much needed.
Depends how they going to tune it in pve, there is some pvp burst concern about this particular rift as it deals damage in one-go unlike the other rifts which is over time.
For the Destro tier right now, is it similar to the old lava burst problem shamans had years ago, like, if you get a refund RIGHT at say "43 seconds" when you would get a charge back, it overwrites it and starts from the beginning as well? So essentially the refund was wasted, or is it doing it proactively? Appreciate your content Kalamazi, always informative!
I wish I could play legion aff lock once again... Numbers can be higher and lower but the playstyle & the rotation smoothness & talents never will be that good again ...
I'd love an aoe video too, as a m+ player primarily. Would be good to know what specs and builds are on top, maybe embellishments too. Maybe later into the ptr cycle once changes settle
For Demo, if Demonbolt or Hand of Gul'dan applies Doombrand, would it be overpowered? I feel like they should test that out, and it might solve the ST a bit when you can apply/proc/reduce the countdown from both abilities.
HI Kalamazi, do you know why Blizzard haven't fixed the Nether Portal yet? it feels like they have never even tested the class with the way it works summoning demons per spell instead of shard.
I personally despised the Tyrant Reign of tyranny/Demon Comp and never really played Demo because of it. Looks more like a caster now, with lots of pets for the fantasy. Destro just need Cats baseline and I think this will be a fun warlock patch. That's all I care about, if it's fun to play.
I thought so, but at least on 10.1.7 this talent only buffs The shadowburn that is not used and conflagrate, that by itself is a kinda low hiting spell. Its just strange that this little of an increase can compete with soulfire or even the old CDF... so I thought i was missing something
@@iyaramonk you wouldnt push it further back, PS lines up better AND does mroe dmg than VT. The main reason you used it before was due to the old tier set. Also its worth noting that multiple ppl have been talking about using PS and he even mention that it might be the play further in the video.
Have you tried playing just absolute corruption instead of siphon life. Ive been trying it on live and it has made the flow of the spec feel much better in almost every scenario. I know it does not sim as well but in real testing i have not really noticed a huge difference in damage. Do you think that playing absolute would be viable for this upcoming tier?
AC is horrible, it just can’t compete with SL in single target This talent is only playable in council fights, not even in m+ since you loose a good bit of single target and you’re spamming seed in aoe so permanent corruption has no value anyway
@@slugfest513 pretty unfortunate cus siphon life really doesn't do all that much damage overall and it's not really worth pressing in aoe. Keeping it just for the bosses in a dungeon feels awful.
I really hope the pit lord gets better I love opening a portal and 20 demons coming out of it I’ve always loved demonology’s theme but it doesn’t make sense that your pitlord is weaker than your tier set 😂
I myself didn't care for the pit lord nether portal build, I don't really know what it was about it but it just didn't care for it, and honestly think it was for the nether portal part than the pit lord itself, if they can rework it to where I can get pitlord and get rid of nether portal and make pit lord give a passive bonus to minions or do something to that natural I would be much happier
Cool so they COMPLETELY neutered nether portal and by equal measure demo as a whole...good job blizzard you took the pets away from the pet class and what made demo fun
I don't play destruction I feel it boring, here you litterally have 4 buttons to smash outside of CD (5 buttons) and ONE DOT to maintain :( !. While aff has double that it's not rewarding enough and you have to pray that your spells crit to do some dps... compare to destro where you don't have to do a lot to get some numbers 🤣. I really hope that one dday they remove MR and give us back Legion aff (the way it was played)
Demos aoe feels really bad compared to live, you are standing there casting shadow bolts and barely managing to get 1 or 2 hand of guldans out to implode few imps you have
Madness was the only skill check a destro player really had, i am sad its gone. Destro is super slow now once you take out flash point from this video. Madness was also going to get stronger in 10.2 as we get more and more haste, allowing us break points of how many casts before we do the next CB in madness window to keep that madness window rolling. Destro now is just so boring, regardless of damage, the only thing cool is just the rift, which will die instantly when tier ends. Also as far as being mobile, its much worse now as CB casts are so long that you can't squeeze CB's in madness windows with stutter step movements. 2.5 sec CB is just horrendous. (In this video he had flash point)
I've got a little more comfortable on my warlock since basically not touching it since Legion. Your content has been really helpful, thanks. I hope all specs stay relatively close and all viable. I think Destro is currently my preferred spec, but I don't hate playing demo.
- Is Demonology Back on Top?
- No.
Thank god
I get that you're more positive about demo after the numbers tuning, but to me it felt very unsatisfying on PTR, especially re: HoG/imps. They do so little of our damage considering that 75% of our casts are either HoG or building shards (imagine how depressing Chaos Bolt would feel if it did 16% of Destro's damage?), it's not rewarding to cycle shards quickly now that GWD is a flat number, and you don't get that big payoff with tyrant any more
I mean yeah I agree overall but it’s like we thought would happen. They were just above the spec and leave it where it’s at with awkward mechanics.
@@morgenmuffel5747I mean all 3 lock specs are performing very well, there are classes much worse performance and gameplay wise
Solution to demo 2 set could be as simple as to let it stack, per demonbolt cast. Removes the whole needing to tab target in aoe and it would gain quite some power in st, numbers can always be tuned afterwards.
I do hope you continue to press the point that demonology's rotation is still rough with the changes to Tyrant and NP. Having the damage is all well and good, but that is "game 2," to use Ion's words. The game they are designing (game 1) emphasizes fun and fluidity and we need to make sure they understand when they're failing there. We have to stop settling for good damage when gameplay is suffering.
Except not everyone agrees with you. Some like the way it is not with more on dmg. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean they should change it. They want it like this it seems
@@Zikkar They neutered the skill cap of demo its now incredibly boring like destruction.
@@Zikkar When things aren't intuitive or require robust third party solutions to make sense of, Blizzard typically doesn't like that and will take action because that is bad design.
You can like bad design. That's your business, but I promise, Blizzard does not. And what they've done with the white/blacklist for Tyrant is bad design.
Demo Comp/Tyrant being everything isn't fun though. People just got used to it.
@@Floodsyei like pit lord bro and tyrant setup but it is what it is
There is one rift from Dimensional Rift that is called Chaos Tear (the one that shoot 1 chaos bolt) which is dealing at least 40-50% less damage than the other Rifts (Unstable Tear & Shadowy Tear) and does not scale with haste. It feels bad when Chaos Tear is summoned, a targeted damage buff to this particular rift is much needed.
If it doesn’t scale with haste then it’s gotta go right?
Depends how they going to tune it in pve, there is some pvp burst concern about this particular rift as it deals damage in one-go unlike the other rifts which is over time.
For the Destro tier right now, is it similar to the old lava burst problem shamans had years ago, like, if you get a refund RIGHT at say "43 seconds" when you would get a charge back, it overwrites it and starts from the beginning as well? So essentially the refund was wasted, or is it doing it proactively? Appreciate your content Kalamazi, always informative!
Thanks!
No problem and thank you as well!
I wish I could play legion aff lock once again... Numbers can be higher and lower but the playstyle & the rotation smoothness & talents never will be that good again ...
I'd love an aoe video too, as a m+ player primarily. Would be good to know what specs and builds are on top, maybe embellishments too. Maybe later into the ptr cycle once changes settle
So basically Demo is doing good damage without the tier set really working. Imagine what will happen if they then make the tier set work 😊
Since we we ill be using rift for the patch. Will mastery still be an important stat for destro?
For Demo, if Demonbolt or Hand of Gul'dan applies Doombrand, would it be overpowered? I feel like they should test that out, and it might solve the ST a bit when you can apply/proc/reduce the countdown from both abilities.
AoE is what I want to see the most since our tier aoe applicability is questionable
Would you bring Destro into mythic plus?
HI Kalamazi, do you know why Blizzard haven't fixed the Nether Portal yet? it feels like they have never even tested the class with the way it works summoning demons per spell instead of shard.
It would like to see an aoe video, specifically related to on demand aoe in m+. Thanks for the great warlock resources.
Noted!
same! I'm afraid the slow casting of destro will eventually hinder it's ST dmg, having you to cancel multiple casts compared to the other two specs
Great vid big dawg!
Appreciate it
What’s going to be that best m+ spec as of now?
I personally despised the Tyrant Reign of tyranny/Demon Comp and never really played Demo because of it. Looks more like a caster now, with lots of pets for the fantasy.
Destro just need Cats baseline and I think this will be a fun warlock patch. That's all I care about, if it's fun to play.
Does the rifts work with havoc cleave?
They do not
One Thing i don't realy get is why are you specing into shadowburn on destro build while it was not even used on your rotation?
the talent below Shadowburn buffs iirc Incins Immolate and Conflagrate and that talent is competetive towards Soulfire and the talent below soulfire
I thought so, but at least on 10.1.7 this talent only buffs The shadowburn that is not used and conflagrate, that by itself is a kinda low hiting spell.
Its just strange that this little of an increase can compete with soulfire or even the old CDF... so I thought i was missing something
If you are holding Vile Taints, why isn't phantom Singularity just a better option at that point to line up better with SR?
It's better to hold Vile Taint for Soul Rot than hold Soul Rot for Phantom Singularity
I think it's because it pushes DG further back and syncs poorly with SR. VT always syncs with SR when we lose our current tier.
@@Snow_Warning when i said that i was half way through the aff part and after watching it more he quite literally said that PS might be the play now.
@@iyaramonk you wouldnt push it further back, PS lines up better AND does mroe dmg than VT. The main reason you used it before was due to the old tier set. Also its worth noting that multiple ppl have been talking about using PS and he even mention that it might be the play further in the video.
@@MalixFarwin Isn't it 45 sec? Then it doesn't line up, as in you lose casts.
still can't stand the demo IGB change, it was such a cool mechanic. At least the damage is ok now i guess...
Rerolling has never been easier with such a great dedicated warlock spokesman
We are blessed. Praise Kalamazi
It's a beautiful xpac for rerolling
I see a kala video, I like it.
Aff playing vile taint in ST is so disgusting. Buff Phantom Singularity already.
need m+ take on these
be sweet if you changed the haunt WA to show the duration on the target instead of your cd, great content though as always!
Noted!
They should have done something with prince malchezaar, instead of just a lucky spawn.
I really don't want demo to be even close to the other 2 specs in this state. It is so awful to play.
Have you tried playing just absolute corruption instead of siphon life. Ive been trying it on live and it has made the flow of the spec feel much better in almost every scenario. I know it does not sim as well but in real testing i have not really noticed a huge difference in damage. Do you think that playing absolute would be viable for this upcoming tier?
AC is horrible, it just can’t compete with SL in single target
This talent is only playable in council fights, not even in m+ since you loose a good bit of single target and you’re spamming seed in aoe so permanent corruption has no value anyway
It affects MR damage so highly doubt we'll not be playing SL
@@slugfest513 pretty unfortunate cus siphon life really doesn't do all that much damage overall and it's not really worth pressing in aoe. Keeping it just for the bosses in a dungeon feels awful.
dude you have perma haste buff proc on destruction ...
Yes, I mentioned that multiple times. Sadly, there is nothing I can do about it
@@Kalamazii oh i'm a donkey
@Kalamazii in videos past I thought you had a cancel macro to remove it ? Regardless good work and more tuning as PTR continues.
I really hope the pit lord gets better I love opening a portal and 20 demons coming out of it I’ve always loved demonology’s theme but it doesn’t make sense that your pitlord is weaker than your tier set 😂
I myself didn't care for the pit lord nether portal build, I don't really know what it was about it but it just didn't care for it, and honestly think it was for the nether portal part than the pit lord itself, if they can rework it to where I can get pitlord and get rid of nether portal and make pit lord give a passive bonus to minions or do something to that natural I would be much happier
Demo looks way better to play instead of being a 3 minute simulator
Ratio
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Cool so they COMPLETELY neutered nether portal and by equal measure demo as a whole...good job blizzard you took the pets away from the pet class and what made demo fun
Definitely down for an aoe video dad
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I don't play destruction I feel it boring, here you litterally have 4 buttons to smash outside of CD (5 buttons) and ONE DOT to maintain :( !. While aff has double that it's not rewarding enough and you have to pray that your spells crit to do some dps... compare to destro where you don't have to do a lot to get some numbers 🤣. I really hope that one dday they remove MR and give us back Legion aff (the way it was played)
Would love to see an aoe video, I main demo for both raid and m+ so I'm very curious for that damage profile as well.
Demos aoe feels really bad compared to live, you are standing there casting shadow bolts and barely managing to get 1 or 2 hand of guldans out to implode few imps you have
Man I hope not
ofc we want aoe to 💪
Please make an AOE video.
yes make AOE vid please.
Yes to aoe vid
Madness was the only skill check a destro player really had, i am sad its gone. Destro is super slow now once you take out flash point from this video.
Madness was also going to get stronger in 10.2 as we get more and more haste, allowing us break points of how many casts before we do the next CB in madness window to keep that madness window rolling.
Destro now is just so boring, regardless of damage, the only thing cool is just the rift, which will die instantly when tier ends.
Also as far as being mobile, its much worse now as CB casts are so long that you can't squeeze CB's in madness windows with stutter step movements. 2.5 sec CB is just horrendous. (In this video he had flash point)
AOE !!!
Aff seems terrible =( its so sad.
Speak for yourself I LOVE affliction in raids and M+
@@shawnhayes6938 me too
Aff is very bad compare to the other 2 dot spec shadow and balance druide.
Currently there is no reason to invite a WL in the raid. M+ its the same
There is still time for tuning😅
@@gorannisevic5944 how detached from reality can one be 💀
lier, spam shadow bolts is not nice gameplay, especially as soon you go into m+ or m raid and have to permanenly move.
Do AOE