37:14 Thanks for not cutting the guest for the sake of covering the topics. The whole idea of watching the interview is to get the glimpse of the way the guest thinks. Not cutting out is very important. I hope more interviewers realize this. This interview was amazing. Thanks
Interviewing Jim Keller isn't difficult, but the interviewer needs to be prepared. Just ask a question to get the ball rolling, then keep quiet for the next hour. I've watched several of his interviews, and it's important to understand that when Jim stops talking, he hasn't finished answering the question: he's thinking of something even deeper that will blow your mind. At this point, DON'T ask another question. Just say "yes" to fill the awkward silence, and wait for the gem that is coming.
@@fixups6536 I have yet to see an intellectual conversation with Jim Keller. Not a single interviewer knows 1/10th of what he's talking about. It's all pre- determined questions and nobody knows what to say to question his logic since they are not smart enough.
@@ddlog420 "I have yet to see an intellectual conversation with Albert Einstein. Not a single interviewer knows 1/10th of what he's talking about. It's all pre- determined questions and nobody knows what to say to question his logic since they are not smart enough" Come on, Interviewers cannot be experts in every field of science. Your expectation is ridicilous.
@@oscarhalse2026 You're right! My expectations are ridiculous. If any interviewer had any idea about what he was talking about, they wouldn't be a journalist, they'd be an Microarchitectural Architect/Engineer. It'd be great to see conversations/interviews with him and Raja Koduri, Jensen Huang or other engineers.
Jim Keller's head is just so packed full of interesting thoughts and history. The interviewer at times seems like she's struggling, but on reflection, I think she handled it the best way possible by just letting the guy talk.
Two things: 1) "We'll see what happens" is now among my favorite quotes to use and (2) as a HW engineer, his acknowledgment of how important SW is for HW designs to "land" successfully.
Fascinating, as usual, to hear Jim expand his views and provide historical and philosophical context to his thoughts. I was impressed by Sally's restraint, too many 'influencers' need to share their own ideas but she just listened after providing a well-thought out question. I love that Jim reminds people of how many dedicated engineers it takes to develop technology we take for granted. His claim that in 5 years we will have forgotten that AI wasn't around before is typical. But he also remembers the 40yo Fortran problem. Because he does the legwork of travelling to different places (that Sally does too) he doesn't just have a Silicon Valley mindset. His comments on the speed of software development in India and the difference between the hyperscalers and open source RISC-V startups is another valid observation. Well done for getting this insight, it would be fun to discuss how ordinary techies respond to this opportunity.
As a long time open source contributor, that's why I contribute. If I find a bug, I can fix it and submit a patch. In the past, I've filed bugs with Weblogic and Sun in the past, but had to wait more than 1 year to get a fix. With open source, I can just fix the bug and move on.
I love how the interviewer allows Jim to speak and I though how refreshing. I love this. It anoys me how most interviers do cut amazing people off intead of letting them speak. Then reality sets in as they are only allowed set amout of time with these brilliant people.
This is a great interview! Jim has such a vision of what innovation really entails. To some this interview might seem very general, but if you have been following this space of the next evolutions in computing it is very enlighting. I loved that the questions were not too specific because then the interview becomes about where the industry, and Tenstorrent, is heading and not about reporting the current state of it; we need more of that in tech journalism! Jim really knows the lay of the land, while at the same also admitting everything in it can change by tomorrow
@@TheKartas39 I would want to say that is a bit harsh, but there are definitely some learnings there for Sally for sure. An autobiography is a monologue too; doesn't mean it is bad. Maybe Jim should write a biography
Jim Keller is THE MAN in the Semiconductor Business... He is the head of things you use, by even don't knowing it. He's the top top dog. His head and mind, and what he knows is a decade in the future of us, listening to him. He lives in a different timeline since ever. He designs the future today, for our tomorrow.
Only downside with this interview is that it was too short. Sometimes great interviews happens or emerges when the one that gets interviewed gets their space to express themselves through their own thought process rather than to express through the interviewers questions. Granted some needs more hand-holding but Jim is one that can easily go on forever like Carmack and still be interesting to listen to :D Sally used her questions as conversation starters and the followups as transitions between themes and letting Jim talk freely (ramble), without interrupting. I prefer Sallys more open style over the interrupting "we have limited time so I interrupt both this flow and theme with another question to stop this section even though we are in a juicy part" I do look forward to part 2 and hopefully a longer version :D Just give Sally more time and give Jim 2 cups of coffee and he will be fine ;)
I totally agree. Kudos to Sally to let Jim ruminate and expand on the topics as it naturally came to him. I think Sally is spectacularly great at interviewing scientific and technological luminaries.
Agree but too many “yeahs”! Maybe some people respond better but he can just talk by himself, doesn’t need to encouragement or steering to stay interesting.
Near the end, Jim begins to "play" with Sally. This is new from him. Love the way Jim gets really deep, then jumps back to the top fp the pile again....Nice interview.
Fantastic interview of an amazing man! Great video. Re discussion of regulation. He is correct, you can not regulate technology. But regulation is critical. Transparency and openness is needed for society to flourish , not just technology and industry. Regulation needs to be ethics based. Human lives are already impacted by machine based decisions. Organizations using these machines must be required to have mechanisms for meaningful and timely appeal. Already too many examples of people cut off from life preserving care through algorithmic errors. Those are easily documented. How many others in other domains go undetected? The opportunity cost to society is too great to not require fundamental regulatory guardrails. See blogpost AI and Power: The Ethical Challenges of Automation, Centralization, and Scale by Rachel Thomas.
I have a different take in Spike Neural Nets. The issue is that Jim sees the world as a digital computer architect/scientist would. When you wish to make an analogue of a biological process (neural network) it would seem to me that the best way to do that is actually make something that mimics that process accurately. The best model of something is to get as close to the thing you can and analog electrons can closely resemble chemistry (it’s electrons and atoms right ?). The issue is back-propagation. We haven’t figured that out with SNN’s yet. It’ll happen. Loved this conversation with Jim and it is very thought provoking. I especially liked his thought about abstraction and this is something that I strongly believe. I think new ideas are like reasoning potential (much like and electron jumping orbit in an atom shell). There is a reasoning potential + an influencer + noise, which causes one to go down a different path (or local minima) to explore.
What humans are really good at doing is fast traversing of reasoning. We are capable of dismissing non useful ideas very quickly. This is where we have the problem of neural nets. They compute for too long!! This feedback needs to be added (a relevancy filter!).
Great interview Try running the audio through Adobe Podcast next time to fix the background noise issue, and to bring the voices to the forefront better
37:00 "10 minutes, im still on page one" "keep going" -> saying "yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah" and Jim like Jim will do Jim's like on TechTechPotato on Lex Fridman and Jordan Peterson.. proove he do have amazing knowlage and understanding of "things" "37:15" "You are very good interviewer" :> Or this talk was just too short
to me too. but perhaps it is the way nature found its way. who knows. perhaps making the thing more orderly with a "global clock" (perhaps something nature failed to figure out) produces better results. I think spiking has to do with energy efficiency and other things the biological brain has to deal with. what is your thoughts?
The achilles heel of open-source is a company/country with more resources can take what you did and sell it back without honouring the open-source agreement of publishing updated works. China, we’re looking at you!!
Dell, Lenovo and HP sell 60% of PCs. Imagine if they all switched to their own Linux distro. Adobe and the games would all have to port. MSFT would be defunct.
Interviewer's words = "yep' yeh" "yeah" "yes" "ok" "yeah yeah "yes, ok." However, she does a great job of letting him talk. He has too much knowledge to keep him quiet
I thought you were being unreasonable with the critique of the interviewer but then it got so bad I couldn't even finish the video. This is not conversational and is distracting as hell. The few questions she asks are innocuous and provide zero insights or even indication of understanding.
Finally there’s something I can and do disagree on with Jim. We need a minimum regulation to prevent a race to the bottom, which is inherent in capitalism. Health and Safety matter and without regulations and the authorities necessary, death toll in the workforce would still be tolerated and treated as byproduct of getting things done …
Last question was silly. There's nothing to regulate. Fraud is already morally frowned upon and illegal, as is theft as is abuse, murder etc. And the tenets of freedom already necessitate that prying into the business of others without cause is also a amoral and legally frowned upon. So how will a new computing paradigm change this?
Not true without domain relevant regulations. Absent a regulatory framework it’s a race to the bottom. Companies primary legal obligation is fiduciary duty. So they cannot include what is best for people in decision making. We would not have breathable air without epa regulations. Companies are happy to comply once regs are in place. But they cannot unilaterally spend money on developing clean processes or they would go out of business or investors would sue them. See automotive emissions.
@@wdonno The thing is that doesnt make any sense. To say a companu only has fiduciary dity is like saying the company is a bunch of murdering psychopaths and without regulations we wouldnt know what to do. Nonsense. Anyone with any sense would immediately discourage everyone they know from using said product.
@@JayDee-b5u you don’t need to start as a murdering psychopath to end up doing evil things. See history. When was the last time you audited a supply chain before making a buying decision? When you primarily solve for profit, it’s a slippery slope absent formal legally enforceable checks and balances. What industry do you work in? I know the Health Care industry. It is an amazingly complex industry with multiple dimensions each with hugely complex supply chains/ business components. The ONLY common organizing principle in the USA is Profit. And it is in nobody’s financial interest to fix it, so it goes unfixed. Same in many other industries. On which industry do you base your observations? I am genuinely curious.
maybe, because she didn't get enough time. For me whatever question she have, was less worth than his monolog. So depending what outcome you want, it was great or not interview.
37:14 Thanks for not cutting the guest for the sake of covering the topics. The whole idea of watching the interview is to get the glimpse of the way the guest thinks. Not cutting out is very important. I hope more interviewers realize this. This interview was amazing. Thanks
Interviewing Jim Keller isn't difficult, but the interviewer needs to be prepared. Just ask a question to get the ball rolling, then keep quiet for the next hour. I've watched several of his interviews, and it's important to understand that when Jim stops talking, he hasn't finished answering the question: he's thinking of something even deeper that will blow your mind. At this point, DON'T ask another question. Just say "yes" to fill the awkward silence, and wait for the gem that is coming.
@@fixups6536 I have yet to see an intellectual conversation with Jim Keller. Not a single interviewer knows 1/10th of what he's talking about. It's all pre- determined questions and nobody knows what to say to question his logic since they are not smart enough.
@@ddlog420 "I have yet to see an intellectual conversation with Albert Einstein. Not a single interviewer knows 1/10th of what he's talking about. It's all pre- determined questions and nobody knows what to say to question his logic since they are not smart enough"
Come on, Interviewers cannot be experts in every field of science. Your expectation is ridicilous.
@@oscarhalse2026 You're right! My expectations are ridiculous. If any interviewer had any idea about what he was talking about, they wouldn't be a journalist, they'd be an Microarchitectural Architect/Engineer.
It'd be great to see conversations/interviews with him and Raja Koduri, Jensen Huang or other engineers.
Jim Keller's head is just so packed full of interesting thoughts and history. The interviewer at times seems like she's struggling, but on reflection, I think she handled it the best way possible by just letting the guy talk.
Two things: 1) "We'll see what happens" is now among my favorite quotes to use and (2) as a HW engineer, his acknowledgment of how important SW is for HW designs to "land" successfully.
Fascinating, as usual, to hear Jim expand his views and provide historical and philosophical context to his thoughts.
I was impressed by Sally's restraint, too many 'influencers' need to share their own ideas but she just listened after providing a well-thought out question.
I love that Jim reminds people of how many dedicated engineers it takes to develop technology we take for granted. His claim that in 5 years we will have forgotten that AI wasn't around before is typical. But he also remembers the 40yo Fortran problem.
Because he does the legwork of travelling to different places (that Sally does too) he doesn't just have a Silicon Valley mindset. His comments on the speed of software development in India and the difference between the hyperscalers and open source RISC-V startups is another valid observation. Well done for getting this insight, it would be fun to discuss how ordinary techies respond to this opportunity.
37:09- Fire Him- It's Jim Keller with perfect audio
Jim is a living legend
Jim is a GOAT!
The "Uncle" of Zen himself. Can't wait for the next interview.
Zen?!
Ah, Amd!
Does that make Mikhaila Zen
Comedy gold sprinkled in there!!! What a great interview
As a long time open source contributor, that's why I contribute. If I find a bug, I can fix it and submit a patch. In the past, I've filed bugs with Weblogic and Sun in the past, but had to wait more than 1 year to get a fix. With open source, I can just fix the bug and move on.
Jim Keller is an interesting interview. Great at explaining the market Tenstorrent is in; It would be nice if he said more about Tenstorrent itself.
I love how the interviewer allows Jim to speak and I though how refreshing. I love this. It anoys me how most interviers do cut amazing people off intead of letting them speak. Then reality sets in as they are only allowed set amout of time with these brilliant people.
This is a great interview!
Jim has such a vision of what innovation really entails. To some this interview might seem very general, but if you have been following this space of the next evolutions in computing it is very enlighting.
I loved that the questions were not too specific because then the interview becomes about where the industry, and Tenstorrent, is heading and not about reporting the current state of it; we need more of that in tech journalism!
Jim really knows the lay of the land, while at the same also admitting everything in it can change by tomorrow
This is a great monologue
@@TheKartas39 I would want to say that is a bit harsh, but there are definitely some learnings there for Sally for sure.
An autobiography is a monologue too; doesn't mean it is bad. Maybe Jim should write a biography
@@JobPWN When you interview people as him, you should let them talk. They inside is deeper than whatever you want to ask them.
Jim Keller is THE MAN in the Semiconductor Business... He is the head of things you use, by even don't knowing it.
He's the top top dog.
His head and mind, and what he knows is a decade in the future of us, listening to him. He lives in a different timeline since ever. He designs the future today, for our tomorrow.
A rock stah
He's the role model of my son who's now doing embedded stuff coming from the games industry as a software engineer. Jim's a rockstar engineer!
Only downside with this interview is that it was too short. Sometimes great interviews happens or emerges when the one that gets interviewed gets their space to express themselves through their own thought process rather than to express through the interviewers questions. Granted some needs more hand-holding but Jim is one that can easily go on forever like Carmack and still be interesting to listen to :D
Sally used her questions as conversation starters and the followups as transitions between themes and letting Jim talk freely (ramble), without interrupting.
I prefer Sallys more open style over the interrupting "we have limited time so I interrupt both this flow and theme with another question to stop this section even though we are in a juicy part"
I do look forward to part 2 and hopefully a longer version :D Just give Sally more time and give Jim 2 cups of coffee and he will be fine ;)
I totally agree. Kudos to Sally to let Jim ruminate and expand on the topics as it naturally came to him. I think Sally is spectacularly great at interviewing scientific and technological luminaries.
about 6h too short
I totally agree
Agree but too many “yeahs”! Maybe some people respond better but he can just talk by himself, doesn’t need to encouragement or steering to stay interesting.
Hey folks try his interview on Demistify Sci podcast, lasts nearly 3h … enjoy
Great interview, thanks!
Great interview Sally!
Not gonna lie but a cut of Jim just talking without the yeahs would have been a gods gift
She's trying to get him to stop talking so she can ask more questions. Lmao
Not even follow up questions depending on his answer. Just next question
Legend.
Respect.
We'll see what happens.... That's the quote of the day. Thanks for posting this interview. Very interesting.
extremely interesting glad i watched this.
What an insightful interview, enlightening!!!!!!
Jim Keller interviews Jim Keller.
greate interview. thanks!
Near the end, Jim begins to "play" with Sally. This is new from him. Love the way Jim gets really deep, then jumps back to the top fp the pile again....Nice interview.
I am a simple human being, I see Jim Keller, I click.
So Useful,
Thanks for sharing
This guy is great, so interesting to listen to (even though I only understand about 50% what he says)
This is very opening eyes interview. Many investors should watch it.
True genius.
Thanks for sharing ❤
Fantastic interview of an amazing man! Great video. Re discussion of regulation. He is correct, you can not regulate technology. But regulation is critical. Transparency and openness is needed for society to flourish , not just technology and industry. Regulation needs to be ethics based. Human lives are already impacted by machine based decisions. Organizations using these machines must be required to have mechanisms for meaningful and timely appeal. Already too many examples of people cut off from life preserving care through algorithmic errors. Those are easily documented. How many others in other domains go undetected? The opportunity cost to society is too great to not require fundamental regulatory guardrails. See blogpost AI and Power: The Ethical Challenges of Automation, Centralization, and Scale by Rachel Thomas.
Hard work slogging through this.
THE SILICON GRAND MASTER.
Sith Lord
Everyone in my software team will watch this come Monday
Thank you for sharing 😁
All the great interviewers ask open ended questions and let the interviewed do a flow of consciousness.
I have a different take in Spike Neural Nets. The issue is that Jim sees the world as a digital computer architect/scientist would. When you wish to make an analogue of a biological process (neural network) it would seem to me that the best way to do that is actually make something that mimics that process accurately. The best model of something is to get as close to the thing you can and analog electrons can closely resemble chemistry (it’s electrons and atoms right ?). The issue is back-propagation. We haven’t figured that out with SNN’s yet. It’ll happen. Loved this conversation with Jim and it is very thought provoking. I especially liked his thought about abstraction and this is something that I strongly believe. I think new ideas are like reasoning potential (much like and electron jumping orbit in an atom shell). There is a reasoning potential + an influencer + noise, which causes one to go down a different path (or local minima) to explore.
What humans are really good at doing is fast traversing of reasoning. We are capable of dismissing non useful ideas very quickly. This is where we have the problem of neural nets. They compute for too long!! This feedback needs to be added (a relevancy filter!).
it is not a problem to not want to cut someone off
Great interview
Try running the audio through Adobe Podcast next time to fix the background noise issue, and to bring the voices to the forefront better
37:00 "10 minutes, im still on page one" "keep going" -> saying "yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah" and Jim like Jim will do Jim's like on TechTechPotato on Lex Fridman and Jordan Peterson.. proove he do have amazing knowlage and understanding of "things" "37:15" "You are very good interviewer" :> Or this talk was just too short
Sally Ward-Foxton is an excellent interviewer here.
How can I invest in Tenstorrent?
Have to send your resume
Keller is rare
I don't know the spiking thing still seems like a mysterious question.
to me too. but perhaps it is the way nature found its way. who knows. perhaps making the thing more orderly with a "global clock" (perhaps something nature failed to figure out) produces better results. I think spiking has to do with energy efficiency and other things the biological brain has to deal with. what is your thoughts?
15:56 at the top a peak everybody thinks why would it change ? History
Somebody tell Jim about the Sky's Edge rotary dial cell phone
what does IP stands for?
intellectual property
@@m_sedziwoj internet protocol
The man looks like he doesn't sleep a lot, so I trust him completely.
Risk V cpu's and gpu's maybe in 10 years?
SG2380 RISC-V desktop in 2025. 32 TOPs, the brain is said to be 100 TOPS.
The achilles heel of open-source is a company/country with more resources can take what you did and sell it back without honouring the open-source agreement of publishing updated works. China, we’re looking at you!!
IEEE, Korea
tenstorrent
Some cat video channels have millions of subscribers and views but EE Times and Jim Keller has how many? What a world we’re living in…
This will change when CPUs ask their owners to caress them and purr when it happens. 😎
Is Jim working on it ?
Dell, Lenovo and HP sell 60% of PCs. Imagine if they all switched to their own Linux distro. Adobe and the games would all have to port. MSFT would be defunct.
They'd bundle it with spyware anyway
Love hearing this guy talk. How the hell did Intel not find a way to keep him? The audio and camera work on this are terrible.
“Ok”😂
Interviewer's words = "yep' yeh" "yeah" "yes" "ok" "yeah yeah "yes, ok." However, she does a great job of letting him talk. He has too much knowledge to keep him quiet
Why does she just say "okay" and "yeah" though, she sounds like a therapist that just gets paid to listen to his troubles 💀
Because he was providing very interesting monologue and its a natural way to encourage him to keep going.
Moronic reflection
I think she did a great job of asking questions and then let him talk without interrupting
I thought you were being unreasonable with the critique of the interviewer but then it got so bad I couldn't even finish the video. This is not conversational and is distracting as hell. The few questions she asks are innocuous and provide zero insights or even indication of understanding.
@@sethoz22Not when done to this extent.
Guess really hard to design better than Nvidia.
Finally there’s something I can and do disagree on with Jim. We need a minimum regulation to prevent a race to the bottom, which is inherent in capitalism. Health and Safety matter and without regulations and the authorities necessary, death toll in the workforce would still be tolerated and treated as byproduct of getting things done …
He doesn't know the potential of spiking neural networks architecture.
Lol if he becomes president
Can you please stop moving the camera around pointlessly
I cant watch it real sorry it sound like jim is like forcing her or something
Last question was silly. There's nothing to regulate. Fraud is already morally frowned upon and illegal, as is theft as is abuse, murder etc. And the tenets of freedom already necessitate that prying into the business of others without cause is also a amoral and legally frowned upon. So how will a new computing paradigm change this?
Not true without domain relevant regulations. Absent a regulatory framework it’s a race to the bottom. Companies primary legal obligation is fiduciary duty. So they cannot include what is best for people in decision making. We would not have breathable air without epa regulations. Companies are happy to comply once regs are in place. But they cannot unilaterally spend money on developing clean processes or they would go out of business or investors would sue them. See automotive emissions.
@@wdonno The thing is that doesnt make any sense. To say a companu only has fiduciary dity is like saying the company is a bunch of murdering psychopaths and without regulations we wouldnt know what to do. Nonsense. Anyone with any sense would immediately discourage everyone they know from using said product.
@@JayDee-b5u you don’t need to start as a murdering psychopath to end up doing evil things. See history. When was the last time you audited a supply chain before making a buying decision? When you primarily solve for profit, it’s a slippery slope absent formal legally enforceable checks and balances. What industry do you work in? I know the Health Care industry. It is an amazingly complex industry with multiple dimensions each with hugely complex supply chains/ business components. The ONLY common organizing principle in the USA is Profit. And it is in nobody’s financial interest to fix it, so it goes unfixed. Same in many other industries. On which industry do you base your observations? I am genuinely curious.
„You are not a good interviewer“ well said Jim 😂😂
maybe, because she didn't get enough time. For me whatever question she have, was less worth than his monolog. So depending what outcome you want, it was great or not interview.
I thought she was wonderful. She asked a question to prompt him and let him ramble- he's very interesting to listen to. No point in interjecting.
why is she giving jim bad vibes 11:45 -12:30
I don't think the interviewer has a lot of idea about hardware😅