Battle of the Java Sea by Captain Rick Jacobs
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- As part of the "Lunchbox Lecture" series, Navy Captain Rick Jacobs gives a lecture outlining one of the most decisive naval battles in the Pacific Theater during World War II, in which the Allies suffered a defeat at the hands of the Imperial Japanese Navy.
This is a story that needs to be told , thank you kind sir.
Greetings from a sailor of the current flagship of the dutch navy " Zr.Ms. Karel Doorman.
My wife is Dutch-Indonesian. Her father was Dutch. When all this happened she was a very little girl in Java with her mother and four siblings. Her father was captured and became a slave laborer building airfields for the Japanese. They all survived the war. We live in Houston, TX and there is a huge wooden model of the USS Houston in one of the downtown courthouses. It's a beautiful model, under glass.
really enjoy the lecture.
For not having his air force ready to scramble, MacArthur should have been relieved of command and court martialed.
He was 19th century general. He did not understand either air power or armored warfare.
He was horrible. Plus, his attack on veterans seeking their rightful pensions in Washington DC in 1936(5?) was despicable.
It is a little akward at first that he reads all the time from notes, but I guess that's the only way when there is so much informations like exact times and where shell fell. Great lecture, great illustrations.
An excellent book on the USS Houston and the Sunda Strait battle and the survivors, captured and forced to work on the Thai railroads: "Ship Of Ghosts" (James Hornfischer)...My Dad was a Marine, served on the 2nd USS Houston (CL-81)
I am so sick of historians lauding MacArthur. He was a mediocre general, at best. And a disloyal patrician, who didn't mind killing veteran American soldiers in the Bonus Army issue in 1932. (I said 1936 in previous post. Wrong. 1932, and it was Hoover as president)
After learning of the disaster at Pearl. MacArthur stayed incommunicado in his penthouse apartment atop the Manila Hotel while his air commander unsuccessfully tried to get him to approve an air strike on the Japanese aircraft on Formosa that after about 9 hours turned the American B-17s at Clark AB to scrap. His defense plan envisioned about six days of gradual retreat toward the Bataan Peninsula. His forces instead fled toward the peninsula as soon as the Japanese landed, leaving at least a 6-month food supply that would have been welcomed on Corregidor for the enemy. Picking Lingayen Gulf as the place the enemy would land was the only thing MacArthur got right. The rest of it he screwed up horribly. For his exemplary conduct in the defense of the Philippines Roosevelt awarded him the Congressional Medal, an act that forever decreased the value of the medal.
But the man knew how to keep his uniform pressed and creased. 4:01
Maybe, it’s hard to know what would have happened if he did things differently. Hindsight is an advantage he didn’t have. He made a brilliant move at Inchon, which all his people were against.
I always why he got the Medal of Honor (not "Congressional Medal") for holing up in a bunker, losing a battle (I am not saying it was his fault) then fleeing.
Abd after ended up a wealthy man along with many
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MacArthur is a great candidate for "Worst US General of WW2" with Fredentahl and Clark.
Excellent presentation. The mention of Australian troops retaking parts of the (then) East Indies prompted some memories. Their two main targets were Tarakan and Balikpapan, using a reinforced brigade and reinforced division respectively. The operations were well run and successful, but often regarded as unnecessary. There was a plan for Australian forces to reform into new formations with experienced troops for the invasion of Japan, with all-US equipment and integrated into a US command structure. Some suggest the East Indies operations were rehearsals for this. After the war Australia supported Indonesia becoming independent at a political and UN level.
My grandfather fought at Tarakan
Sorry for the 8 year late comment, I just watched this today. I read about this battle in the book "Japanese Destroyer Captain," and one of the things that make me laugh is the fact that Adm. Takagi (the admiral that led his forces in this battle) was taken off command of surface ships after this battle, apparently because he ordered to open fire on extreme ranges and "wasted" so many torpedoes and ammo, among other things. This is despite the fact that, had Takagi not won this battle, the Army transports that he was tasked to escort would have been free for ABDACOM to intercept and the land battle would turn out vastly different.
Good lecture by the way.
Seriously? 2 mentions of the courageous Perth, fighting till she was out of ammo, and hit multiple times? Typical American Bias
Tragically, very true.
Balikpapan (East Borneo) is where the Royal Dutch Shell oil refinery located, Tarakan is where most of the oil rigs operates. Cilacap (South Java), is also an oil refinery town. Palembang (East of Sumatra) is another oil production center. The order to bring the fleet down from the Philippines to those sites, particularly after Singapore (where Shell bunker located on the Sambu island, now part of Batam) surrender, was intended to protect fuel supply from falling on the Japanese command. In short, these "Battle of the Java Sea" is a fight between ABDA and Japan for oil. Noting much have change since 1941.
yeah, Japan was embargo'd for oil(and many other war materials)after their allying with Germany from 1939. USA, Britain & Netherlands were all primary trade partners with Japan (through SE Asia colonies) and the embargo would destroy their wartime economy in 2~ years.
Yamamoto (and his famed foresight) had already calculated, and informed the wartime command that NO amount of oil/materials would be enough to sustain the war effort without USA surrender.
The gains in mainland China had been quite below forecast; less than 20% was controlled. Too bad the higher ups didn't call it a day and go home. They probably could have kept Manchuria and had the embargo lifted.
Capt. Jacobs mispronounces most of the place names.
Magnificently
I always cringe when American historians try to pronounce German, Danish, French... actually any European names. But hey, they still do the work. People like Rob Citino and Jon Parshall and David Glanz (and others) are invaluable.
RIP Captain Hec Waller DSO & Bar (HMAS Perth) and your crew.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hector_Waller
Read John Toland's book: But Not in Shame. Thanks for posting.
Very good book.
Also The Rising Sun
It's a very US-centric view on the story, but it seems to be the best video I can find of the engagement out there. Overall the speaker is giving a pretty thorough talk on this topic, even though he mispronounces most names and is clearly not up to speed on the pre-WWII Japanese history. The 1905 Battle of Tsushima Strait is one of the main sea battles of naval history.
This whole thing seems to have been forgotten by most documentary makers, nobody seems to have made a documentary about these fights. With how much TV there has been made about WWII, I always find that surprising.
Thanks for posting.
RogerWilco /It's a very US-centric view on the story/
What's your point?
/is clearly not up to speed on the pre-WWII Japanese history./
Then what was he talking about when he mentioned Japanese industrialization, modeling the IJN on the Royal Navy, and the relentless drilling?
Remember also that this is a 54 minutes talk, not a 700 page comprehensive history of the IJN.
/The 1905 Battle of Tsushima Strait is one of the main sea battles of naval history./
This talk is *not* about that 1905 battle; ergo, it's not mentioned.
Your main point is correct and he should have mentioned Tsushima - but he was speaking off the top of his head there answering a question - rather than from material he had prepared.
As to being US Centric? The US had a substantial number of ships involved and he covered all the others. There was a LOT more that he could have covered but not in a lecture like this. He did mention that the Electra had picked up the Hood survivors - which I hadn't remembered but ... even though he had a picture of the Graf Spee in one of his slides seems to have failed to mention that the Exeter was the heavy cruiser that fought her (along with Ajax and Achilles).
One thing that happened here - was that the Japanese - to their credit - were just to fast for the Allies. When Langley was sunk she and another ship, the Sea Witch, had between them 59 P-40 fighters they were trying to get to Java but all were destroyed before they could be put into service and the Langley sunk with hers still aboard.
As he noted the Allied effort was very fragmented and slow. Had the Allies created a joint command - before the war ... (which wouldn't have happened ...) and created a joint fleet ... and not had so many ships run aground (like the carrier that was supposed to be with Prince of Wales and Repulse) they might have given a better account of themselves. And - it's not like they didn't get in their licks ... but with the full weight of the Japanese Navy available to come down on them - they would have eventually been over whelmed.
The thing he does really well - is with those red arrows - as he talks through the maneuvering of the ships - that was very illustrative of where the ships were and what they were doing.
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US military history rarely focuses on defeats.
Interestingly many men from Houston and Perth were sunk again when a US Submarine sunk the Japanese transport taking them to Japan, with very few survivors. When some of them were rescued by another US submarine they were able to tell the story of both Houston and Perth many years later.
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if the japaness had used thier brains and taken out the navel fuel at pearl . this would have kept all the carrires at bay with no hope of refuel because all they had todo was park 20 of thier front line subs around the island to take out any tankers trying to get new fuel to the ships what a win with mac arthur looseing his air power in one afternoon dec.8 and our poor u.s subs torpetos that war may have taken 8 years.
I am sorry butyou are saying leave the ships kill the fuel? Fuel is more easily replacable then ships.
May 24, 1941 Hood was sunk, not 1940(at ~35:45)
Very nice lecture! Just one minor point for me at the end: The Dutch didnt fail to subdue their own colony. In fact they were starting to win it back. It were the United Nations and especially the US who forced the Dutch to stop their advance and give up their colony. Because the dutch got support under the Marshall plan from the Us to build up their country. And were threathened to get kicked out of it. For the independance and freedom of the indonesian people they said, but it was mainly for the cheap oil and preventing a strong european force in the region. As well as hating colonialism.
+Johnathan Reessink point taken but that was beyond my rekollection
The light sweet crude oil of the archipelago is always a darling for refineries, it cost less to do and produce cleaner hydrocarbon for kerosene derivatives. Indonesia today is the largest Crude Palm Oil producer while Rotterdam still enjoy the benefit. Now enjoy RMS continuous demand for their fair share of Masela field, since Indonesia never promised them anything.
What "United Nations?" They didn't exist .
Nope they did fail. Read recent books on the events, the dutch soldiers managed to execute big movement, capture the bridge, city, etc. But they never capture the countryside the basis for indonesian guerrilla. These dutch youngster are tricked by dutch government using european urban tactic of warfare against guerrilla warfare in a jungle setting. No wonder the period after you said ‘they were starting to win it back’ around 1948-1949 after the second military offensive, dutch casualty rises dramatically they are fighting lots of guerrilla attack in their supposedly ‘conquered’ territory. While in the end, UN and USA step in, its more to do with the fact the dutch cannot ‘subdue’ their own colony fast enough after ww2. Dutch should be considered lucky, the war was developing to a vietnam style war. In the end, Indonesia paid an almost same amount of dutch marshall plan for their independence. The dutch citizens get the marshall plan money where it should be for rebuilding not war financing, and lots of misery and destruction for indonesian natives and indos, but independence.
Yes, but it has to be said that Dutch training and equipment was quite abysmal. The soldiers would get a few weeks training at most, and then be quickly deployed in combat operations without much adjustment time. Not surprising ofcourse, because we could not do anything while the Germans occupied us for 5 years. A veteran I talked to claimed that if only there were small amounts of Japanese soldiers among the Indonesian soldiers, any combat advances would have been impossible.
All in all a sad story, and it could have been mostly avoided if our government in the 1940s was more competent and less stuck in the past: they were mostly unable to adapt to the rapid change of geopolitical developments
anyway this vid kind of blurred out any recollection of a former life and the defeat of the Dutch royal navy in the West Indies but I was there.. got torpedoed the Hrms Kortenaer sacrified itself
Indonesian commercial salvagers have been dredging the wreck of HMAS Perth for the scrap metal.
The remains of over 300 sailors are still inside of her, but Indonesia has no problem with destroying their war grave.
AUSSIEDAVEROCKS The dead don't care anymore, and the metal can be put to more productive use than corroding on the sea floor.
+RonJohn63 Bullshit. If thats the case why dont we dig up Arlington and use the bones of the young men buried there as fertiliser? More useful isnt it?
Tim Blizzard In 2016, how *practically useful* are the bones, and how much to we *really need* the bone fertilizer?
RonJohn63 How useful is scrap metal, the kind that can be found in rusted old cars? Probably about as useful as fertilizer.
But anyway, is that the point? What if you could make diamonds out of bones? Would it be right to dig up war graves? Those young men gave up their lives for our society, to defend us. Their resting place should be sacred to any reasonable person with an ounce of empathy and respect.
Again, Arlington is very fertile ground - it was once a plantation - it would be FAR MORE USEFUL to dig up the bones, turn them into fertiliser, and plant crops there. Do you support that?
Tim Blizzard _How useful is scrap metal, the kind that can be found in rusted old cars?_
Dunno. But *someone* in Indonesia *obviously* finds it profitably useful to go out there and haul that stuff up from the bottom.
_Do you support that?_
If we were *really* hungry, then Virginians would find an reason to put that arable land to good use, while moving the gravestones somewhere else. If nearby residents couldn't get phosphorous from anywhere else, then they'd concoct a justification.
So, for a *good* reason, I'm fine with it. Your reason is *not* good: too facile.
It was really the Italians First exactly not the Germans..as Jacobs states..
This dude be using RLM intro
After learning of the debacle at Pearl, MacArthur ensconced himself into his penthouse on the top floor of the Manila Hotel while his air commander was seeking permission to launch a raid by the B-17s at Clark toward the Japanese AF on Formosa. Those Japanese planes though being delayed by wx got off on time to obliterate those B-17s and other aircraft at Clark before MacArthur came out of his nine-hour funk. Though the Japanese launched feints and false landings, MacArthur guessed correctly that they would land at Lingayen Gulf, about the only thing he got right. The plan was that the forces he supposedly trained, about 320,000 total, including more than 30,000 U.S. marines, would engage in one-day fights, retreating at night from each fight line to another line before ending up at the entrance to the Bataan Peninsula after six days of fighting. What actually happened was that the so-called MacArthur-trained forces headed in flight straight for Bataan, abandoning a six-month supply of foodstuffs to the Japanese, food that might have allowed those who made it to Corregidor to survive a long time. The Americans ran a code-breaking operation at Cavite and possessed a Purple machine used to decipher the Japanese diplomatic code. These people with their Purple machine departed with MacArthur and his family on the four PT boats for Mindinao where MacArthur refused the first B-17 sent to take him from Australia, saying it wasn't in good enough shape to carry his arrogant ass. Most of the crypto equipment was tossed into the sea before they boarded the PT boats. Just more information concerning the debacle in the Philippines.
Sabra S Why do you repeat yourself?
Manchester, in his bio of MacArthur ("American Caesar") explains that the US, and especially the USN, had war-gamed a war with the Japanese since about 1920. Since Japan is so close to the Philippines and so far from Pearl Harbor, the war plan called for the Army to fortify a line across Bataan to Corregidor, to store supplies -- food and ammunition behind the Bataan defense line, and to hold out until a USN battle force could fight across the Pacific to relieve them. The war plan assumed that the Japanese would land overwhelming force, so there was no point in fighting a war of maneuver. MacArthur, however, wanted to fight on the beaches, to drive the Japanese back into the sea. When the Japanese rolled over MacArthur's front lines, capturing his supplies, Bataan and Corregidor were doomed. It took the Navy until August, 1942, with the Guadalcanal landings, to take the offensive. By then the Japanese had built an outer ring of defenses, such as Rabaul, so MacArthur's forces, had he followed the war plan, might not have been able to hold out long enough. Still, it is clear that MacArthur botched the entire defense of the Philippines.
check out the youtube clip "the fall of singapore the great betrayal"
37:55 is where the big critical mistake is made, because they cannot afford to continue that engagement without those destroyers that were low on fuel, at this point the engagement should be over and they could have followed those destroyers out and none of those subsequent terrible losses would have occurred.
What is the point of having a speaker who is only going to read from a prepared text?
Think of it as a Podcast? LOL
I took a look at your Favs; we seem to have a lot of similar Likes.
Please take a look at my page; some videos you may like. No text involved.
Dugout Doug. Martinet
"vigorous arms" lol that was kinda cringy
Thaaat's right, Jay!
We need a lecture on Harry Plinkett's service during WWII
F D Roosevelt was unable to walk without support. He had polio and was in a wheelchair unless he needed to be out of it for publicity reasons. This is the central reason for the publicity shots emphasising his physical strength.
The Japanese Aircraft carrier pilots and their torpedo bombing techniques were trained and equipped by the British Royal Navy
really? tell me more!
@@BillMorganChannel there is google
@@WELLBRAN true but i loe the exciting first hand account! were they trained in japan? Britain? What year?
@@BillMorganChannel start from Lord Sempill
Any luck yet?
when i found out that the two generals in the phillipenes had 8 hrs warning time that pearl harbor had been attack yet they let the one thing that would have held up the japaness and saved lives yes they failed to use thier air forse and got caught on the ground haveing the airmans lunch.i would have sacked both.
My guess is that the Japanese air force would have made short work of the American air arms as they were not up to the quality of the Zero.
Great rationalization to avoid any responsibility. Let me guess, your a "conservative patriot".
@@GrumblingGrognard Biden will bee a grate comander in chef!
I hope this guy got his facts sight about the battle. I say this because he has the wrong but popularist idea about the cause of the great depression. The facts are the stock market crash was not the cause of the depression and the evidence is the recovery of the rate of employment between 1929 and 1931 until the then president and later FDR did such measures as confiscated people's wealth by mandating they hand over their gold which the government paid some $20 per oz for and then sold it back a few years later at $36 an ounce. That was at a time when the US dollar was on a gold standard. As well FDR's government imposed huge import taxes of 40% or more thus stifling international trade. These and other restrictive measures resulted in unemployment rising from 8% in a the downward trend to 18% and the highest US long term continues unemployment on record.
What was Tommy Hart up to as MacArthur failed his nation and christendom?
Bit disjointed with snippets of Atlantic naval battles in amidst the battles in South East Asia. 😵💫
Father was serving on HMS Encounter.pow but he survived RIP dad
35:47 It should be in 1941!
Excellent summation. Best UA-cam video on the battle actually. Some of those survivors from Houston had to have realized it wasn't subs that launched those Long Lances but they spent the remainder of the war as POWs on the Thailand - Burma railway. We still didn't know much about the Type 93 torpedo at Tassafaronga in November '42. They didn't know until they possessed a captured one intact. Well I should clarify they didn't realize it's range. They obviously knew the damned thing actually worked whether they were ready to realize, or not, that ours usually didn't..
This presentation isn't completely "wrong" but it is very general and very high-level. Parts of it are completely inaccurate so be careful about what you repeat from this. For a comprehensive overview of the entire East Indies campaign, I would recommend "The Allied Defense of the Malay Barrier, 1941-1942." In the spirit of full disclosure, I am the author this text which published in December 2015.
The facts of the reaction of Gen. DMacArthur to the attack on Pearl Harbor and the destruction of the US Military under MacArthur should have destroyed his career utterly.
I thought so too, but he had strong support and connections in Washington. However, his work in Japan after the war was excellent and made Japan a long time friend to the US..
Ilearned a lot. For one, I had always thought ABDA was a singing group.
The winner takes it all in war.....
Great video. I enjoyed it very much. Admiral's Hart's "cover" was called a "fore and aft hat" because it was worn with the pointy ends facing forwards and backwards (not side-to-side as many British officers wore their covers, and Napoleon as well). When my father graduated from the Naval Academy in June, 1940, a fore-and-aft hat, as well as a cape (with red interior, technically referred to as a "boat-cloak") was part of his kit. I have a photograph of one of the Brigade of Midshipmen's battalions turned out to receive some visiting dignitary in full dress, which included fore-and-aft hats, boat cloaks (apparently, it was raining) and swords. Pretty impressive. FYI, subsequent to graduation, my father was ordered to the USS Phoenix (CL-46, a Brooklyn-class light cruiser), which was assigned to Admiral Hart's Asiatic Fleet. Around Thanksgiving, 1941, Admiral Kimmel (CinCPAC) was convinced that the Japanese were up to something in the Pacific and ordered Hart to send all his capital warships, which included the Houston, back to Pearl Harbor. Admiral Hart raised hell until they reached a compromise. Houston and Marblehead would stay in Asiatic waters, Phoenix (and I think one other cruiser, possibly Detroit) were sent back to Pearl. They were told to get back to Pearl ASAP; consequently, Phoenix didn't fly its scouting aircraft. She pulled into Pearl Harbor with the evening tide on Friday, December 5th and was moored over at Charlie 5, about 300 yards astern of the Arizona when the attack occurred. After the war, its was discovered in one of war's great coincidences that the Phoenix had paralleled the Japanese strike force across the Pacific, the two being separated from one another by only a few hundred miles. Had Phoenix flown her search planes, there's a reasonable certainty that they would have discovered the Japanese carrier force and events in the Pacific would have followed a decidedly different course.
+CaesarInVa I am so sorry for having ignoed you commentso far but this whole vid brought me to the point of remembering my whole past in a former life and now reading your coment its all gone
I'm so sorry I wasted 5 seconds of my time reading your vapid drivel.
My apologies Singapore didn't fall, it surrendered. Percival didn't control his troops and he wasted a three to one numerical advantage in defense, fell to a feint and a bluff by Yamashita, whom was over extended and ahead of his line of supply. Yamashita feared an urban battle he couldn't win, Percival didn't have the acumen to call his bluff.
Mike Cimerian "Surrender after battle" is a form of "fall".
RonJohn63 You may not have all the elements in hand to qualify the circumstances. The surrender of Singapore was a disgrace for the commanding officer. Had he been German, Soviet or Japanese he would have been shot.
Mike Cimerian I'm not denying that the surrender was a disgrace.
RonJohn63 There is plenty of blame to go around for high echelon commanders. The way MacArthur handled the Philippines invasion was a disgrace. His dithering left Corregidor without supplies to hold, saw all assets destroyed and to add to injury, the US code breakers had the Japanese cipher. All the work was dumped overboard in the sea. If one breaks down at operational level what was required to recover in all three areas, this amounts to three failed operations.
Mike Cimerian Well, yes. What's your point? (This talk is about the battles in and around the *Java* *Sea*, not Singapore or the Philippines, and I don't remember him saying anything about MacArthur that contradicts what you say.)
Exeter had radar.
Yes she did, but in the Battle of the Java Sea there is no report whatsoever that it was used or was of any use in either identifying targets or for spotting the fall of shot to aid in fire control.
Anyone can read verbatim from a paper, how boring of a delivery
listen up you.. you erent there and I am speaking as Lt Cmdr RuCrommelin 1st officer of HrMs Kortenaer Canonship of the Dutch Royal Navy in the Dutch colony's Netherlands Indies
This guy butchers the pronunciation of just about every place name he mentions! What a yutz! It hurt my ears so much I had to stop listening.
Not to mention “holly stoning”. Jeepers.
Yes. His pronunciation wasn't that great but it was a good presentation of a little known battle - so you lose out by not sticking around.
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Terrible speaker. I had to turn this off.
Learn to pronounce the place names.