In direct comparison to the Porsche Cayman GT4: Split times (sport auto Supertest sectors): Sector | GT4 | Exige | Delta; [s] 1 | 1:26,8 | 1:27,3 | +0,5 2 | 1:45,2 | 1:46,8 | +1,6 3 | 1:47,3 | 1:49,5 | +2,2 4 | 1;56,7 | 1:56,6 | -0,1 5 | 0:46,4 | 0:47,9 | + 1,5 High speed turns GT4 | Exige | Delta (Delta g-force); [km/h]: Hatzenbachbogen: 157 | 152 | -5 (+0,05g) Flugplatz: 173 | 167 | -6 (+0,15g) Metzgesfeld: 164 | 153 | -11 (-0,15g) Klostertal 1: 167 | 167 | +-0 (+0,1g) (+g means a higher g-force for the Lotus) Medium/low speed turns: GT4 | Exige | Delta; [km/h]: Aremberg: 102 | 99 | -3 (+0,1g) Bergwerk: 96 | 100 | +4 (+0,2g) Klostertal 2: 82 | 87 | +5 (+-0,0g) Schwalbenschwanz: 87 | 96 | +9 (+-0,0g) Deceleration: GT4 | Exige | Delta; [m/s²]: Aremberg: -11,2 | -11,7 | -0,5 Klostertal 2: -10,8 | 10,5 | +0,3 Top Speed: GT4 | Exige | Delta; [km/h]: Schwedenkreuz: 252 | 243 | -9 Kesselchen: 227 | 220 | -7 Döttinger Höhe: 264 | 243 | -21 _____________________________________________________ Wind tunnel (200km/h): GT4 | Exige | Delta cw: 0,32 | 0,45 | +0,13 Lift front: -12kg | -41kg Lift rear: -31kg | -72kg Skid Pad: GT4 | Exige | Delta Lateral g-force: 1,45g | 1,45g | +-0,0g Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 (both) Power output: GT4: 385PS Exige: 343PS Weight: GT4: 1379kg Exige: 1121kg _____________________________________________________ My conclusion: Dispite it's lower downforce level applied on a significantly higher weight, the high speed sections are the Cayman's favourite. During the technical sectors 1 & 4 the time shift is only 0,4s whereas the remaining sectors add up to 5,3s with a maximum speed delta of 21km/h on the Döttinger Höhe. Interestingly the absolute g-force of the Exige tends to be higher (Flugplatz, Bergwerk) that may indicate a different choice of racing line. Nonetheless it all seems to come down on the increased drag and the lower power output of the Exige. Technically the Cayman appears to be more settled and stable especially in terms of traction. In summary the Exige equipped with an LSD or a more suitable damper setup and the engine hitting the stated peak power, there should not be any major performance difference. Cup 430? ;-)
Whilst i appreciate you taking the time to compare all this, you do know that sandbagging is a thing right? How else do you explain the discrepancies in top speed? Also id like to point out that this Exiges max speed on dottinger hohe is slower than the max speed of the honda civic type R which is : heavier, less powerful, less torquey... something is seriously wrong with that Exige for it to lose in a top speed battle to a civic type R. All i can say is sport auto...
@@Stratocasterhead51 Sandbagging in a rare chance of a supertest would be honest stupidity. For topspeed weight doesn't play a major roll ...so it all comes down on power and air resistance, both catastrophic on this one.
@@sebo8872 Sandbagging is common practice wether you like it or not. It's like blindfolding your eyes and saying corruption doesnt exist and the world is perfect. I wish it was, but it isnt. There are too many things that arent right. Small details one could miss and anyone of those could be excusable but all of them together? Not a chance. I accept that the GT4 accelerates quicker than the Lotus. But a 300hp civic type R weighing 250kilos more than the lotus? AND being down on power? If this doesnt sound alarm bells i dunno what will. I knew something wasnt quite right over a year ago when this time came out. I never looked into it but it felt off. Now that i have seen detail and dug a little deeper personally i start to see little problems. Very low top speed (dottinger) very conservative lines (schwedenkreuz) and fearful braking points (adenhauer forst). And more of these "anomalies" crop up the more i watch. Cycle through more of sport auto's hotlaps and you will see. Open your eyes, dig deep and the truth will rear its ugly head.
Such an analogue car in a world full of digital automation. He would have come out of that car totally spent. I bet with a massive smile. Well done mate, committed driving.
Yeah, that would be right. A response from a boy whom has never driven a Lotus, let alone driven on a race track! I have owned a modified Golf R and sold it after 9 months of owning it. Bought a Lotus after and will never go back to buying main stream cars. It's not a daily driver, but a track or weekend toy that is all about the feel and feedback you get from the chassis, brakes and steering. I suggest you go out and test drive one and don't be so easily won over by the times you read. A Golf! For F##ks sake! Seriously.
@@llavero5 Are you racing for laptimes in your road car or is it all about having a good time? Personally i would allways choose a manual for a track toy instead of a boring DCT.
You guys are all comparing a Sport Auto time with official manufacturer times. Sport Auto was 16 seconds slower in the 918 than Porsche, for instance. 7:48 is flying, you guys are crazy.
Most have no experience of driving. They are fanboys commenting on youtube until the day they will have a driving licence. They made lap record on their PS4 and believe they are badasses. But when you have your life on the line, when going out the track will literally cost you 60'000 Euros in repairs, there, you need some other type of balls. I never was able to go under mid 8er times on the Nodschleife. And even then, I was plenty of fast.
Manufacturers are hiring High skilled pro racing drivers! So what's the point of it ? The clients can't make the same lap time as the porsche driver. So It's useless to compare yourself to them. The rich guy with the 918 will lose to a high skilled no name guy which is good skills with a cheap car ! So let me laugh !
16 seconds slower ? bad in Math ? The 918 Spyder did it in 6:57 in 2013. The 300hp 2019 Megane Trophy R (a heavier and less powerful car) did it in 7:40.100.
@@THEREALZENFORCE I'm pretty sure the point of pspencer was that the guys at Sport Auto were 16 seconds slower in the 918 compared to the Porsche drivers. Sport Auto is "just" a car magazine and is not able to occupy the Ring for a whole day to get near the theoretical limit or fine tune the car in advance. Apropos math: The dedicated Porsche driver was almost 4% faster than Sport Auto. If the same would be true for the Lotus, the time could be as good as 7:31.
Using a real stick shift, well done. I have not been that happy to watch a rel lap of the Nordschleife since the original Yellow Bird video by RUF. I always love a Lotus.
@@Basics_of_Gameology 2002 NSX-R did 7:56 without this big downforce, 100hp less, 200kg more, and probably worst tires. Civic R did 7:50 Megane Trophy R did 7:40 ...
@@llavero5 He said "This beats the time from a BMW M3 CSL.... Impressive!" How is that impressive? The M3 CSL is 14 years older, has a smaller engine, no forced induction, is heavier , less horsepower and the transmission is slower than a normal manual (depends on how fast the driver can shift with a manual). And to clear all up, its only 2 sec faster than the M3.
Lotuses are strange cars...when you calculate the power to weight ratio of this exige it finds itself in the category of cars that are able to run in the low 7:30's..so where did the 15 seconds disappear ?? Too much aero ? Not enough ? Too little torque ? Inferior brake modulation ? Engine cutting timing ? Timid dimensions that can't cope with the strenuousness of the nordschleife. Mismatched tire compound ? Its a mystery of the ages
It's called a supercharged powertrain! It runs out of steam at the top end as shown in the video(7:40). Down the last straight, he wanted to shift into 6th gear but couldn't and had to stay in 5th.
Same laptime as a non modified, high volume TT-RS (8S) straight from the fabrique without brakes? A bit disappointing to be honest. Am I the only one to be gutted about this? O. K., the Exige Cup 380 has 20 HP less but also carries 300 Kg (!) less weight. She should be able to go circles around the TT-RS. Annoying as well is the "top-speed" on the long straight Döttinger Höhe. What the fuck was going on with this Exige?
In der Sportauto bei Tracktests konnten die Lotus Exige glaube ich leider noch nie so richtig überzeugen, vom Fahrspaß und den Emotionen her sieht es aber genial aus. Liebe Grüße aus dem Meinr Forum
@TheEryk03 No, not in this manner. ;) I only registrated a "top-speed" of a bit more than 240 Km/h though the car is able to do 282 Km/h on flat ground. On Döttinger Höhe around 260 Km/h should be good possible. What ever limited the Exige ... I was keen to know what it was.
Just checked the article, engine was missing 37HP so it only had 343PS and had 113kg of Downforce at 200 in comparison to 52kg of a normal Exige Cup. Should explain the straight line speed
@PetrolKev Liebe Grüße zurück ins meinR :) Wie heißt Du denn dort? :) Nee, nee, mit dieser Exige kann etwas nicht gestimmt haben. Oder sie sind generell in Wirklichkeit schlechter als geschrieben steht. Wenn das Ding tatsächlich 380 PS bei nur 1.100 Kg hat, MUSS es schneller sein. Auch die nur ca. 240 Km/h Topspeed auf der DöHö (Höhe Brücke) sind merkwürdig. Die habe ich (GPS gemessen) mit meinem serienmäßigen Golf 7 R erreicht. Der TT-RS 8J geht da 260 Km/h. Das muss die Exige auch schaffen, zumal sie mit 282 Km/h von Lotus angegeben wird. Hier stimmt irgendetwas überhaupt nicht. Aber vielleicht meldet sich ja CG oder sonst wer von der Sportauto mal hier und schreibt etwas dazu. Sonst schreibe ich einen Leserbrief oder einen von den Jungs mal so an. ;)
Hab gerade noch ein Antwort geschrieben, in der Sportauto haben sie sich auch gefragt warum der in der geraden so langsam ist, eine ganze Seite beschäftigt sich damit. 15,7 auf 200 im Vergleich zum GT4 der 14.5 brauch und er war auch deutlich langsamer als der Exige S. Die Sportauto vermutet die Aero und ein niedrigerer Drehzahlimiter als beim Exige S. Im MeinR heiße ich Kevinetz5
It was a bridge to gantry laptime not a full lap... In this video you can see that it takes 26 seconds to do the part between bridge and gantry (Döttinger Höhe) so actually laptimeperformance where slower than this lap ;)
Bin von der Rundenzeit her auch etwas enttäuscht muss ich ehrlich zugeben, es sieht für mich in mehreren Streckenabschnitten doch nach üblem Leistungsverlust aus. Bin schon sehr gespannt auf den Supertest im Heft ob hier eine Erklärung zu finden ist.
Zuviel Downforce killt die Höchstgeschwindigkeit. Und statt 7.200 konnte CG nur bis 6.800 drehen, dann kam der Begrenzer. Alles sehr merkwürdig und höchst unprofessionell. Von Lotus. Finde ich...
Echt schade, das Paket hat sicherlich genügend Potential. Einen versauten Supertest kann sich ein Unternehmen wie Lotus dass Nischenprodukte anbietet echt nicht leisten. Wie sieht den die Hockenheim Zeit im Vergleich zur Konkurrenz aus?
i'm pretty sure he was just not used to the pedals, yet. at first he doesn't do it at all later on he does it sometimes. i think he does it most of the other videos
It begins with an unexpected downshift at the apex (?!), only to bang the rev limiter 20m later (?!). And so many miss-shifts, and rev-limiter again and again. Ex Mühle looks like a brain error. I had already noticed that this test driver is using the PKD in auto-mode. Come on, *even if* the auto mode does not slow a GT3 down, for the sake of art, use it in manual mode! And shift that Exige properly. Horst: we miss you behind the wheel.
Time was a bit disappointing, but shouldn't be compared to manufacturer times, as they spend a lot of time optimising and set times 10 - 15 seconds quicker than the magazine testers
OMG always fighting with the manual, sticking in the rev. limiter nearly every time. He must have been begging for a DSG during this lap. Then that's not 380 horses... about 240km/h on "Döttinger Höhe" slower than the Renault Megane RS with 275hp (Civic R had 270+km/h). It's fun for sure, but not worth 110000Euro.
130.595 € exactly this car we see in the video. Written in the print version of the Supertest in Sportauto magazine. They metered 343 HP on a Maha Dyno.
by the looks of the accelaration and speed of the civic r video it was pushing at leat 400 at wheels if not more who these bastard are trying to fool lexus lfa speed was 270 plus on the dottinger and a shit ass civiv with stock boost doing 270 who the fuck is going to believe that shit OONLY CIVIC LOVERS
too less power for the parts Ex-Mühle-Bergwerk-Klosterthal and Schwedenkreuz and Döttingerhöhe. The people here who complain that he "forgot" the 6st Gear on Döttingerhöhe probably have never driven the Nordschleife... it is slightly uphill towards the Tiergarten Bridge and in 6th being low on power he would have lost time and top speed, this is why he only shifted after the Bridge were we have again downhill. It is correct that their where couple of miss-shift (does not speak for the car either if it has such a difficult H-Shifter), but did not loose too much time except once which cost 0,5 Seconds, I think the one after Aremberg. Still nice car, excellent driver but too low on power and too expensive.
Well the Lotus lacks top speed, which will lose it a little time on the straights, but that isn't the car it wants to be. People are obsessed with top speed.
Genau 37 PS fehlten laut Messung auf dem Maha Prüfstand, auf dem Sportauto die Autos immer misst. 343 PS sind herausgekommen. Das erklärt aber nur einen kleinen Teil der schlechten Performance. Denn mit 3,28 Kg/PS hat die Exige immer noch ein super Leistungsgewicht. Müsste Kreise um einen Cayman GT4 (3,58) oder TT-RS (3,68) fahren.
Is this a joke? can't be true... Honda Civic Type R 2017 2.0 Turbocharged, 320hp, 1.380 kg FWD Laptime record: 7 min 43.8 sec Lotus Exige cup 380 2017 3.5cc turbocharged, 380hp, 1.057 kg RWD Laptime record: 7 min 48,13 sec Something's wrong here... but definitely that laptime is not competitive at all... the performance of the Exige cup 380 should allow him to be in the 7 min low 30's range or even under the 7 min 30's...
not arguing, Tt rs is a very quick car, wife had a 225bhp tt and was impressed with traction that had for fwd car, I was referring to golf & civic laptimes by factory.
With 300HP into my S2 Exige, I'm faster than a Porsche Cayman GT4 in straight line at least from 0 until 230KM/H and same thing with a roll-on from 30 km/h until 200+ KMH. I'm pretty sure a 380 V6 exige can do a bit better then 7min48 considering the GT4 did it in 7min42. Usually our lotus lose precious time during very long straight line around a track and this is exactly the case at the full nordschleife track with at least 3 very long straight. ua-cam.com/video/t8j9lwMS90c/v-deo.html
Am I the only one who thinks he isn't driving fast enough? His average speed is somewhere in the line of 70-ish mph, it should be at least 10 mph faster or something..
Be sure mate, if the car had made it possible, Christian Gebhardt would have done it. If there is someone on The Ring that takes the last piece of everything out of a car, it is him.
No idea what you're talking about. Average speed is 170 km/h = 106 mph. Car is clearly driven at 100%, maybe a couple of minor errors not affecting lap time too much. The Cup 380 simply doesn't have enough power, I would guess somewhere around 330 bhp judging top speeds on the Döttinger Höhe and the uphill section at Kesselchen.
Such a nimble car, very light and have a decent power, I guess it's just the tires not wide enough, typical for a light car like lotus, BAC, Ariel atom etc. If they can get equally large tires like most supercars, it'll rip their ass off
german car, german driver vs foreign car with german driver. Look at the schwedenkreuz... he goes around it at 180 km/h. He could carry 30km/h more seeing how he ended up at the exit of the corner. Germans make a big deal of claiming the ring as the be all and end all of performance measurements for sports cars... but it is ironically the most tampered and variable race location in the world. So why they feel the need to under-drive cars which are clearly faster is beyond me. Depending on weather conditions (excluding wet and damp weather) you can gain or lose 10-15 seconds (track temp, air temp, humidity) Oh and also like 4 missed gear shifts... Doesnt matter anyway, only arseholes pay attention to Ring' times, as if they have any representation of real world performance at all. There are too few people who genuinely watch these videos to appreciate fast cars being driven fast.
same driver in both cars, Lotus was slower, it's that simple, sorry. It's a really poor result, lets hope the 430 Cup can put in a proper time for a £100k car.
I dont doubt it is slower than a gt4. That cayman is a masterpiece. But my point was that times on the nordschleife are random as hell. It is such a huge track driver error can easily account for 3-4 seconds a lap unlike a normal lets say 3 mile track where it accounts for maybe 0.5 seconds. Also the weather conditions are so variable depending on the testing days. PS: i do also believe the lap could have been faster. Hence my comment on schwedenkreuz.
I doubt they do more than 1. Maybe 2 or POSSIBLY 3. The same driver will not get the same car to do exactly the same lap time on the ring over 2 laps. he will get within 3-4 seconds.
Porsche baut mittlerweile nicht nur SUV und Limousinen sondern auch Elektromüll, Lamborghini baut auch schon SUV, Ferrari vermutlich auch bald E-Nonsinns - also ist Lotus die letzte echte Sportwagenmarke. Wenn mich der 430 überzeugt wird das meiner!
This car was clearly under-driven. As others haven mentioned, multiple miss-shifts. Also, there was at least a 10 second portion where he just rode the rev limiter in 5th gear and refused to shift to sixth. Also, on that final long straight he again rode fifth gear almost the entire way, shifting to sixth only just before having to slow down before the turn. The car isn't slow, the driver is sandbagging it. This video must've been posted to show you what poor driving will get you.
He has a point. Watch the video and you'll see the driver holding fifth on long straights. This car will pull higher speeds in 6th, so why'd he do that?
It always amazes me how clueless some of you people who watch these videos are. I mean it's reasonable to assume that if you watch car videos you have some interest in cars and understand at least the most basic things, but clearly not the case with most people here, considering the garbage you can read. "there was at least a 10 second portion where he just rode the rev limiter in 5th gear and refused to shift to sixth" - Are you blind or deaf? It wasn't hitting the rev limiter. The rev limiter in 5th gear is at about 245 km/h, he was doing 218 km/h at that long uphill section for 10 seconds. You can CLEARLY tell in many other sections of the track that 218 in 5th is far from the limiter, he clearly reaches above that speed in 5th gear at some spots....do you have any common sense? "Also, on that final long straight he again rode fifth gear almost the entire way, shifting to sixth only just before having to slow down before the turn." - It's an uphill part of the track, the car is floored and it won't accelerate anymore, in fact, you can CLEARLY see the speed dropping from 240 km/h down to 237 as it gets to the most steep uphill section right before the top of the hill under the bridge, which happens in ALL CARS by the way. So the car didn't have power to pull to a higher speed in 5th gear, what makes you think that upshifting to 6th, with revs dropping far below peak power point in the powerband, would make the car go faster than in a shorter gear ratio at the peak power rpm? Use your brain. He shifts to 6th gear AFTER he gets to the top of hill and the downhill section of the straight starts, then he can get more speed in 6th gear because the car will pull a bit more downhill. "This video must've been posted to show you what poor driving will get you." - It's actually an example of how to extract every little fucking millisecond. Each of your criticisms on how the driver was "sandbagging it" was actually an example of the driver extracting everything out of the car, but you're too clueless to see it. Even that extra 1-2 km/h at the end of the straight by shifting into 6th at the downhill section. You just think that he's sandbagging it because you're CLEARLY UTTERLY CLUELESS, know nothing about the track or this car...or cars in general probably. Typical youtube car expert.
La caméra est mal placée. C'est (très) dommage. Sinon ça a l'air d'avoir une tenue de route de dingue. Personnes souffrantes d'hémorroïdes s'abstenir !
Karol Nie that’s not exactly true.... I have been driving the Nordschleife a lot and average speed for a sub 8 minutes lap is around 160KM/H. This course is anything but narrow (of course it has also some slower sections) but favors horsepower a lot.
Mid-engined, RWD, super light, very small, very sticky tires, lots of aero, very track focused and 380 hp Lotus still no faster on a track than FWD hatchbacks with around 100hp less power, 300 kg more weight and room for 5 people and their luggage, with far more comfort, refinement and safety, for about 1/4th the price. This is a joke. Who's gonna pay 130000 euros for this? You can get a well specced 911 Carrera S or Cayman GT4 for that money, which are both infinitely better cars than anything Lotus can even dream of, let alone make.
The Cayman GT4 is not really faster with a 7min42-43 lap time. In this video he miss shifted a couple of times with the Lotus. Also the laptime the new Civic Type R did was made by Honda. I only trust lap record made by the same source like Sport Auto magazine with a stock street car. When the car maker do their own fast lap on the nord they are always faster then usual. Same thing happened with Nissan and their GTR. A lot of thing can be done today without being visible to the public eye on a video.
maybe if you drive the cars you are talking about to compare before making such statements. Its not just about lap times, its the feeling it gives you driving the car which I am sorry, but a honda or even a bmw dont give you the feeling the "joke" lotus does. The GT4 is a great car, Porsche make great cars. The lotus is a great and different car, why attack it, its not meant to be a Porsche and I suggest you drive them before critisizing too much....
this is not true. This lap time goes on head to head with Porsche 911 turbo, lamborghini gallardo superleggera, or Porsche 911 GT3 RS or Lamborghini Murcielago... go and search for yourself in the internet. Altough this Lotus would be the best choice for a hill climb race!
your comment shows you have never driven the cars you mentioned before. lol it is funny to see these smart ones talk about cars only based on data which was provided by manufacturers.
In direct comparison to the Porsche Cayman GT4:
Split times (sport auto Supertest sectors):
Sector | GT4 | Exige | Delta; [s]
1 | 1:26,8 | 1:27,3 | +0,5
2 | 1:45,2 | 1:46,8 | +1,6
3 | 1:47,3 | 1:49,5 | +2,2
4 | 1;56,7 | 1:56,6 | -0,1
5 | 0:46,4 | 0:47,9 | + 1,5
High speed turns
GT4 | Exige | Delta (Delta g-force); [km/h]:
Hatzenbachbogen: 157 | 152 | -5 (+0,05g)
Flugplatz: 173 | 167 | -6 (+0,15g)
Metzgesfeld: 164 | 153 | -11 (-0,15g)
Klostertal 1: 167 | 167 | +-0 (+0,1g)
(+g means a higher g-force for the Lotus)
Medium/low speed turns:
GT4 | Exige | Delta; [km/h]:
Aremberg: 102 | 99 | -3 (+0,1g)
Bergwerk: 96 | 100 | +4 (+0,2g)
Klostertal 2: 82 | 87 | +5 (+-0,0g)
Schwalbenschwanz: 87 | 96 | +9 (+-0,0g)
Deceleration:
GT4 | Exige | Delta; [m/s²]:
Aremberg: -11,2 | -11,7 | -0,5
Klostertal 2: -10,8 | 10,5 | +0,3
Top Speed:
GT4 | Exige | Delta; [km/h]:
Schwedenkreuz: 252 | 243 | -9
Kesselchen: 227 | 220 | -7
Döttinger Höhe: 264 | 243 | -21
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Wind tunnel (200km/h):
GT4 | Exige | Delta
cw: 0,32 | 0,45 | +0,13
Lift front: -12kg | -41kg
Lift rear: -31kg | -72kg
Skid Pad:
GT4 | Exige | Delta
Lateral g-force: 1,45g | 1,45g | +-0,0g
Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 (both)
Power output:
GT4: 385PS
Exige: 343PS
Weight:
GT4: 1379kg
Exige: 1121kg
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My conclusion:
Dispite it's lower downforce level applied on a significantly higher weight, the high speed sections are the Cayman's favourite. During the technical sectors 1 & 4 the time shift is only 0,4s whereas the remaining sectors add up to 5,3s with a maximum speed delta of 21km/h on the Döttinger Höhe. Interestingly the absolute g-force of the Exige tends to be higher (Flugplatz, Bergwerk) that may indicate a different choice of racing line. Nonetheless it all seems to come down on the increased drag and the lower power output of the Exige. Technically the Cayman appears to be more settled and stable especially in terms of traction.
In summary the Exige equipped with an LSD or a more suitable damper setup and the engine hitting the stated peak power, there should not be any major performance difference.
Cup 430? ;-)
My respect man its unfortunate that not everyone can appreciate that
@@ahmadbodayr7203 Thanks :)
Whilst i appreciate you taking the time to compare all this, you do know that sandbagging is a thing right? How else do you explain the discrepancies in top speed?
Also id like to point out that this Exiges max speed on dottinger hohe is slower than the max speed of the honda civic type R which is : heavier, less powerful, less torquey... something is seriously wrong with that Exige for it to lose in a top speed battle to a civic type R. All i can say is sport auto...
@@Stratocasterhead51 Sandbagging in a rare chance of a supertest would be honest stupidity. For topspeed weight doesn't play a major roll ...so it all comes down on power and air resistance, both catastrophic on this one.
@@sebo8872 Sandbagging is common practice wether you like it or not. It's like blindfolding your eyes and saying corruption doesnt exist and the world is perfect. I wish it was, but it isnt. There are too many things that arent right. Small details one could miss and anyone of those could be excusable but all of them together? Not a chance. I accept that the GT4 accelerates quicker than the Lotus. But a 300hp civic type R weighing 250kilos more than the lotus? AND being down on power? If this doesnt sound alarm bells i dunno what will.
I knew something wasnt quite right over a year ago when this time came out. I never looked into it but it felt off. Now that i have seen detail and dug a little deeper personally i start to see little problems. Very low top speed (dottinger) very conservative lines (schwedenkreuz) and fearful braking points (adenhauer forst). And more of these "anomalies" crop up the more i watch. Cycle through more of sport auto's hotlaps and you will see. Open your eyes, dig deep and the truth will rear its ugly head.
Such an analogue car in a world full of digital automation. He would have come out of that car totally spent. I bet with a massive smile. Well done mate, committed driving.
too bad this "simplistic" overpriced shit is slower than a golf.
Yeah, that would be right. A response from a boy whom has never driven a Lotus, let alone driven on a race track! I have owned a modified Golf R and sold it after 9 months of owning it. Bought a Lotus after and will never go back to buying main stream cars. It's not a daily driver, but a track or weekend toy that is all about the feel and feedback you get from the chassis, brakes and steering. I suggest you go out and test drive one and don't be so easily won over by the times you read. A Golf! For F##ks sake! Seriously.
Proof you don't need a Dual Clutch, look how fast he is changing gears.
Also, man, you've got balls of steel!
Yet several times slower, and less safe because cant stay with both hands in steering.
This driver is making some mistakes... It can be quicker
@@llavero5 Are you racing for laptimes in your road car or is it all about having a good time? Personally i would allways choose a manual for a track toy instead of a boring DCT.
@@jeanfons Exige Doesn't have better Acceleration like other cars this is the best she can do.
2:40
I wish you guys would do the Exige Cup 430! It's lighter, improved aero and has more power!
You guys are all comparing a Sport Auto time with official manufacturer times. Sport Auto was 16 seconds slower in the 918 than Porsche, for instance. 7:48 is flying, you guys are crazy.
pspencer127 Too Right👍👍👏👏👏
Most have no experience of driving. They are fanboys commenting on youtube until the day they will have a driving licence. They made lap record on their PS4 and believe they are badasses. But when you have your life on the line, when going out the track will literally cost you 60'000 Euros in repairs, there, you need some other type of balls.
I never was able to go under mid 8er times on the Nodschleife. And even then, I was plenty of fast.
Manufacturers are hiring High skilled pro racing drivers! So what's the point of it ? The clients can't make the same lap time as the porsche driver. So It's useless to compare yourself to them. The rich guy with the 918 will lose to a high skilled no name guy which is good skills with a cheap car ! So let me laugh !
16 seconds slower ? bad in Math ? The 918 Spyder did it in 6:57 in 2013. The 300hp 2019 Megane Trophy R (a heavier and less powerful car) did it in 7:40.100.
@@THEREALZENFORCE I'm pretty sure the point of pspencer was that the guys at Sport Auto were 16 seconds slower in the 918 compared to the Porsche drivers. Sport Auto is "just" a car magazine and is not able to occupy the Ring for a whole day to get near the theoretical limit or fine tune the car in advance. Apropos math: The dedicated Porsche driver was almost 4% faster than Sport Auto. If the same would be true for the Lotus, the time could be as good as 7:31.
The tire squeal says it all: street machine driven at 10/10ths by a maestro! Bravo!
2:00 that speed on corner, amazing car
Using a real stick shift, well done. I have not been that happy to watch a rel lap of the Nordschleife since the original Yellow Bird video by RUF. I always love a Lotus.
This beats the time from Lambo Murcielago, BMW M3 CSL, 911 Carrera S, etc. Impressive!
From a humble 380hp
What is the Alfa Giulia QV time?
@@Basics_of_Gameology 2002 NSX-R did 7:56 without this big downforce, 100hp less, 200kg more, and probably worst tires.
Civic R did 7:50
Megane Trophy R did 7:40
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@@maxmuller4551 Which is not a factory time? all i posted are stock times, the Exige cup 380 of the video is not stock?
@@llavero5 He said "This beats the time from a BMW M3 CSL.... Impressive!" How is that impressive? The M3 CSL is 14 years older, has a smaller engine, no forced induction, is heavier , less horsepower and the transmission is slower than a normal manual (depends on how fast the driver can shift with a manual). And to clear all up, its only 2 sec faster than the M3.
Fun to drive
Lotuses are strange cars...when you calculate the power to weight ratio of this exige it finds itself in the category of cars that are able to run in the low 7:30's..so where did the 15 seconds disappear ?? Too much aero ? Not enough ? Too little torque ? Inferior brake modulation ? Engine cutting timing ? Timid dimensions that can't cope with the strenuousness of the nordschleife. Mismatched tire compound ? Its a mystery of the ages
It's called a supercharged powertrain! It runs out of steam at the top end as shown in the video(7:40). Down the last straight, he wanted to shift into 6th gear but couldn't and had to stay in 5th.
I love how he upshifts even when he knows that he will have to downshift in less than a second... :-)
Obviously you are not a racing driver. Even for 1 meter of rev limit you upshift. But his technique is far from perfect
One of my favourite cars atm.
I wonder how much faster it'll go if it had paddle shifters.
Qi Qi could probably shave off a couple of seconds I'm sure
Editing took from july to december? Isn’t it a bit long?
Youre unthankful.
Pro Patria it’s a reasonable question.
Anyone know tires?
Same laptime as a non modified, high volume TT-RS (8S) straight from the fabrique without brakes? A bit disappointing to be honest. Am I the only one to be gutted about this? O. K., the Exige Cup 380 has 20 HP less but also carries 300 Kg (!) less weight. She should be able to go circles around the TT-RS. Annoying as well is the "top-speed" on the long straight Döttinger Höhe. What the fuck was going on with this Exige?
In der Sportauto bei Tracktests konnten die Lotus Exige glaube ich leider noch nie so richtig überzeugen, vom Fahrspaß und den Emotionen her sieht es aber genial aus. Liebe Grüße aus dem Meinr Forum
@TheEryk03
No, not in this manner. ;) I only registrated a "top-speed" of a bit more than 240 Km/h though the car is able to do 282 Km/h on flat ground. On Döttinger Höhe around 260 Km/h should be good possible. What ever limited the Exige ... I was keen to know what it was.
Just checked the article, engine was missing 37HP so it only had 343PS and had 113kg of Downforce at 200 in comparison to 52kg of a normal Exige Cup. Should explain the straight line speed
@PetrolKev
Liebe Grüße zurück ins meinR :) Wie heißt Du denn dort? :)
Nee, nee, mit dieser Exige kann etwas nicht gestimmt haben. Oder sie sind generell in Wirklichkeit schlechter als geschrieben steht. Wenn das Ding tatsächlich 380 PS bei nur 1.100 Kg hat, MUSS es schneller sein. Auch die nur ca. 240 Km/h Topspeed auf der DöHö (Höhe Brücke) sind merkwürdig. Die habe ich (GPS gemessen) mit meinem serienmäßigen Golf 7 R erreicht. Der TT-RS 8J geht da 260 Km/h. Das muss die Exige auch schaffen, zumal sie mit 282 Km/h von Lotus angegeben wird. Hier stimmt irgendetwas überhaupt nicht.
Aber vielleicht meldet sich ja CG oder sonst wer von der Sportauto mal hier und schreibt etwas dazu. Sonst schreibe ich einen Leserbrief oder einen von den Jungs mal so an. ;)
Hab gerade noch ein Antwort geschrieben, in der Sportauto haben sie sich auch gefragt warum der in der geraden so langsam ist, eine ganze Seite beschäftigt sich damit. 15,7 auf 200 im Vergleich zum GT4 der 14.5 brauch und er war auch deutlich langsamer als der Exige S. Die Sportauto vermutet die Aero und ein niedrigerer Drehzahlimiter als beim Exige S.
Im MeinR heiße ich Kevinetz5
People are forgetting the car is designed to go around corners with the downforce and not in a straight line
how he got away with not rev matching on downshifts, I may never know!
@Sport auto : PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HIGH FREQUENCY IN THE SOUND. IT'S UNBEARABLE !
Ridiculously sensational!!
What did you see? A different lap than me? Compare it against the Supertest lap of the Audi TT-RS and then judge again...
Maody66: Post truth generation seems to have more fun!
E63 has about 230hp more which would most definitely help on the straights at the Nordschleife.
What a brilliant drive, well done.
Laptimeperformance did a 7:25 with its 380
It was a bridge to gantry laptime not a full lap... In this video you can see that it takes 26 seconds to do the part between bridge and gantry (Döttinger Höhe) so actually laptimeperformance where slower than this lap ;)
@@billg26 Danke, noch jemand der es versteht.
Lotus ohne Worte nur genial
Just Gorgous Driving.
He's a mad man!
Fantastic drive! Will be Hyundai i30 N Performance?
You can practically 'see' the grip and traction !
went from 230 -> 80 in 5 secs.... damn that's skill.
I'm missing something. This is 5 seconds slower than a Type R? Different drivers I guess. Loved every second of it though. I adore anything Lotus.
Bin von der Rundenzeit her auch etwas enttäuscht muss ich ehrlich zugeben, es sieht für mich in mehreren Streckenabschnitten doch nach üblem Leistungsverlust aus. Bin schon sehr gespannt auf den Supertest im Heft ob hier eine Erklärung zu finden ist.
Nur 343 PS sagt das Heft laut Prüfstand. Erklärt aber das Ergebnis nicht im Ansatz. Meine ich...
Definitv, steht im Artikel sonst noch eine Erklärung zur eher bescheidenen Rundenzeit?
Zuviel Downforce killt die Höchstgeschwindigkeit. Und statt 7.200 konnte CG nur bis 6.800 drehen, dann kam der Begrenzer. Alles sehr merkwürdig und höchst unprofessionell. Von Lotus. Finde ich...
Echt schade, das Paket hat sicherlich genügend Potential. Einen versauten Supertest kann sich ein Unternehmen wie Lotus dass Nischenprodukte anbietet echt nicht leisten. Wie sieht den die Hockenheim Zeit im Vergleich zur Konkurrenz aus?
4/10 schneller als der TT-RS (was lächerlich langsam ist, finde ich) und 7/10 langsamer als der GT4.
Front tires seem small at 215s.
Low weight plus no power/electric steering. It probably doesn't need or can it have bigger tires.
Does Christian rev-match when downshifting?
I l Some parts it looked like he didn’t and some other parts he definitely did.
Pas terrible !! La golf gti clubsport est meilleure c’est étrange non ?
obviously he does
i'm pretty sure he was just not used to the pedals, yet. at first he doesn't do it at all later on he does it sometimes. i think he does it most of the other videos
what for is 6th gear in this car?
obviously not for race track.
Fuel economy, probably? Five gears with close ratio and a longer gear for highway cruising. It's still a road car.
I just made 8:08 in assetto corsa with exige v6 cup 345bhp. I'm not considered as "fast" but I think this is a very good lap.
no power steering??
BLITZKRIEG yes even today no lotus elise or exige has power steering.
Not the best way to drive a Lotus fast.
15 dislikes??? 15 guys with expensive cars (lambos, Ferraris, porsches...) who are not able to drive as fast as this driver.
It begins with an unexpected downshift at the apex (?!), only to bang the rev limiter 20m later (?!). And so many miss-shifts, and rev-limiter again and again. Ex Mühle looks like a brain error.
I had already noticed that this test driver is using the PKD in auto-mode. Come on, *even if* the auto mode does not slow a GT3 down, for the sake of art, use it in manual mode! And shift that Exige properly. Horst: we miss you behind the wheel.
Time was a bit disappointing, but shouldn't be compared to manufacturer times, as they spend a lot of time optimising and set times 10 - 15 seconds quicker than the magazine testers
The laptime of the TT-RS with 7:48 was also driven by Christian Gebhardt in the TT-RS Supertest. So same drivers. More arguments?
Maody66 TT RS is very fast but Sport Auto got over 8 minutes for top Golf and 8:15 for Civic Type R. Manual transmission too difficult for driver.
Wow ese vato si sabe manejar, el auto le quedo corto para su habilidades; le saco todo el jugo al coche.
OMG always fighting with the manual, sticking in the rev. limiter nearly every time. He must have been begging for a DSG during this lap. Then that's not 380 horses... about 240km/h on "Döttinger Höhe" slower than the Renault Megane RS with 275hp (Civic R had 270+km/h).
It's fun for sure, but not worth 110000Euro.
130.595 € exactly this car we see in the video. Written in the print version of the Supertest in Sportauto magazine. They metered 343 HP on a Maha Dyno.
Maody66 343hp WHP is about 380 @ the crank , so the numbers are correct..?
civics boost and renault boost was raised there is no fucking way you going around the ring with that low power who the fuck those bastards wanna fool
by the looks of the accelaration and speed of the civic r video it was pushing at leat 400 at wheels if not more who these bastard are trying to fool lexus lfa speed was 270 plus on the dottinger and a shit ass civiv with stock boost doing 270 who the fuck is going to believe that shit OONLY CIVIC LOVERS
it needs real 60hp+ more to be in the top rankings
Or 300lbs less weight. Cuz u know. Lotus.
too less power for the parts Ex-Mühle-Bergwerk-Klosterthal and Schwedenkreuz and Döttingerhöhe. The people here who complain that he "forgot" the 6st Gear on Döttingerhöhe probably have never driven the Nordschleife... it is slightly uphill towards the Tiergarten Bridge and in 6th being low on power he would have lost time and top speed, this is why he only shifted after the Bridge were we have again downhill. It is correct that their where couple of miss-shift (does not speak for the car either if it has such a difficult H-Shifter), but did not loose too much time except once which cost 0,5 Seconds, I think the one after Aremberg. Still nice car, excellent driver but too low on power and too expensive.
huge balls but doesn't sweat a bit (no gloves!) hahaha
amazing, congrats
I think this is slow for a car of this type and these specs
Only thing i see it's the fastest car in this price.
Karol Nie A Renault Megane RS or Honda Civic Type R are far, far cheaper, and as fast.
Well the Lotus lacks top speed, which will lose it a little time on the straights, but that isn't the car it wants to be. People are obsessed with top speed.
@@maxmuller4551 True, but 'sadly'? Does it matter really unless you want worlds fastest car. Bonus is how much fun on rest of the track!
@@maxmuller4551 True, but Lotus is all about the driving experience too. Those Exige's are stupidly fast cars still!
3:47 Gott der limiter klingt aber geil😍
Das Ding ist beim fahren schon ganz großes Drama. :-)
irgendetwas stimmt mit diesem exige nicht, da fehlt die serien leistung!
Genau 37 PS fehlten laut Messung auf dem Maha Prüfstand, auf dem Sportauto die Autos immer misst. 343 PS sind herausgekommen. Das erklärt aber nur einen kleinen Teil der schlechten Performance. Denn mit 3,28 Kg/PS hat die Exige immer noch ein super Leistungsgewicht. Müsste Kreise um einen Cayman GT4 (3,58) oder TT-RS (3,68) fahren.
Die streuen alle nach unten ! Gute schaffen gerade mal 360 PS !
Is this a joke? can't be true...
Honda Civic Type R 2017
2.0 Turbocharged, 320hp, 1.380 kg FWD
Laptime record: 7 min 43.8 sec
Lotus Exige cup 380 2017
3.5cc turbocharged, 380hp, 1.057 kg RWD
Laptime record: 7 min 48,13 sec
Something's wrong here... but definitely that laptime is not competitive at all... the performance of the Exige cup 380 should allow him to be in the 7 min low 30's range or even under the 7 min 30's...
You might wanna examine the top speed on the main straight of that civic vs the lighter, more powerful lotus. =)
not arguing, Tt rs is a very quick car, wife had a 225bhp tt and was impressed with traction that had for fwd car, I was referring to golf & civic laptimes by factory.
It's a fight..... The Exige experience
Renault clio rs 200 got a 7:47 at Nordschliefe :- º Something is wrong here.
I saw that head shaking at 2:40 after he missshifted. So calm down with my videos 😀
It sounds good and it seems to be very sensational but lap time is not that good for such a compact, light and powerfull mid engine car.
Sick.
Clearly a disappointing lap time! A Cayman GT4 with the same driver was in 7.42.
This!
three or four times our pilot missed gear!!!
jim jimaco
That adds maybe 1 second overall to the lap time.
Equally fast as a BMW E36 M3 Ringtool. :D
LOL I did side by side video, and e36 was faster till the gantry, despite the traffic
With 300HP into my S2 Exige, I'm faster than a Porsche Cayman GT4 in straight line at least from 0 until 230KM/H and same thing with a roll-on from 30 km/h until 200+ KMH. I'm pretty sure a 380 V6 exige can do a bit better then 7min48 considering the GT4 did it in 7min42. Usually our lotus lose precious time during very long straight line around a track and this is exactly the case at the full nordschleife track with at least 3 very long straight. ua-cam.com/video/t8j9lwMS90c/v-deo.html
The 300hp 2019 Megane Trophy R (a heavier and less powerful car) did it in 7:40.100.
@@THEREALZENFORCE ok who asked?
@@bobhilger6324 Chuck Norris asked so i replied
Am I the only one who thinks he isn't driving fast enough? His average speed is somewhere in the line of 70-ish mph, it should be at least 10 mph faster or something..
Be sure mate, if the car had made it possible, Christian Gebhardt would have done it. If there is someone on The Ring that takes the last piece of everything out of a car, it is him.
No idea what you're talking about. Average speed is 170 km/h = 106 mph. Car is clearly driven at 100%, maybe a couple of minor errors not affecting lap time too much. The Cup 380 simply doesn't have enough power, I would guess somewhere around 330 bhp judging top speeds on the Döttinger Höhe and the uphill section at Kesselchen.
Such a nimble car, very light and have a decent power, I guess it's just the tires not wide enough, typical for a light car like lotus, BAC, Ariel atom etc. If they can get equally large tires like most supercars, it'll rip their ass off
Not bad for a Toyota Camry.
Love lotus but this driving position looks terrible
6 seconds slower than a GT4 , what's up with it lol ?
german car, german driver vs foreign car with german driver.
Look at the schwedenkreuz... he goes around it at 180 km/h. He could carry 30km/h more seeing how he ended up at the exit of the corner.
Germans make a big deal of claiming the ring as the be all and end all of performance measurements for sports cars... but it is ironically the most tampered and variable race location in the world. So why they feel the need to under-drive cars which are clearly faster is beyond me. Depending on weather conditions (excluding wet and damp weather) you can gain or lose 10-15 seconds (track temp, air temp, humidity)
Oh and also like 4 missed gear shifts...
Doesnt matter anyway, only arseholes pay attention to Ring' times, as if they have any representation of real world performance at all. There are too few people who genuinely watch these videos to appreciate fast cars being driven fast.
same driver in both cars, Lotus was slower, it's that simple, sorry. It's a really poor result, lets hope the 430 Cup can put in a proper time for a £100k car.
I dont doubt it is slower than a gt4. That cayman is a masterpiece. But my point was that times on the nordschleife are random as hell. It is such a huge track driver error can easily account for 3-4 seconds a lap unlike a normal lets say 3 mile track where it accounts for maybe 0.5 seconds.
Also the weather conditions are so variable depending on the testing days.
PS: i do also believe the lap could have been faster. Hence my comment on schwedenkreuz.
they do more than 1 lap :-) it's just a disapointing lap time for this car imo.
I doubt they do more than 1. Maybe 2 or POSSIBLY 3. The same driver will not get the same car to do exactly the same lap time on the ring over 2 laps. he will get within 3-4 seconds.
The actual lap times are disappointing. This is a level slower than the 718S. Lotus is exaggerated. Still, I like the Lotus better than the Porsche.
So much focus on the lap time, he would have enjoyed this 10x more than a gt4. There's always a faster car.
hard time !!!
Porsche baut mittlerweile nicht nur SUV und Limousinen sondern auch Elektromüll, Lamborghini baut auch schon SUV, Ferrari vermutlich auch bald E-Nonsinns - also ist Lotus die letzte echte Sportwagenmarke. Wenn mich der 430 überzeugt wird das meiner!
der kommentar ist nicht gut gealtert...
siehe neue produktpalette von lotus.
Only 7000rpm ( too much limiter and time lost ! ), probably no more than 350ps and that fucking hole between 4th and 5th...
153 mph
I expected a much better time
same power 996gt3 was faster with old technology tires
There's something dodgy about this
So it basically runs as fast as the hottest fwd hatchbacks...lame!
This car was clearly under-driven. As others haven mentioned, multiple miss-shifts. Also, there was at least a 10 second portion where he just rode the rev limiter in 5th gear and refused to shift to sixth. Also, on that final long straight he again rode fifth gear almost the entire way, shifting to sixth only just before having to slow down before the turn. The car isn't slow, the driver is sandbagging it. This video must've been posted to show you what poor driving will get you.
Sir, you totally don't have any idea of what you are talking about. Obviously. So get out of here and don't bore people who do.
He has a point. Watch the video and you'll see the driver holding fifth on long straights. This car will pull higher speeds in 6th, so why'd he do that?
It always amazes me how clueless some of you people who watch these videos are. I mean it's reasonable to assume that if you watch car videos you have some interest in cars and understand at least the most basic things, but clearly not the case with most people here, considering the garbage you can read.
"there was at least a 10 second portion where he just rode the rev limiter in 5th gear and refused to shift to sixth"
- Are you blind or deaf? It wasn't hitting the rev limiter. The rev limiter in 5th gear is at about 245 km/h, he was doing 218 km/h at that long uphill section for 10 seconds. You can CLEARLY tell in many other sections of the track that 218 in 5th is far from the limiter, he clearly reaches above that speed in 5th gear at some spots....do you have any common sense?
"Also, on that final long straight he again rode fifth gear almost the entire way, shifting to sixth only just before having to slow down before the turn."
- It's an uphill part of the track, the car is floored and it won't accelerate anymore, in fact, you can CLEARLY see the speed dropping from 240 km/h down to 237 as it gets to the most steep uphill section right before the top of the hill under the bridge, which happens in ALL CARS by the way. So the car didn't have power to pull to a higher speed in 5th gear, what makes you think that upshifting to 6th, with revs dropping far below peak power point in the powerband, would make the car go faster than in a shorter gear ratio at the peak power rpm? Use your brain. He shifts to 6th gear AFTER he gets to the top of hill and the downhill section of the straight starts, then he can get more speed in 6th gear because the car will pull a bit more downhill.
"This video must've been posted to show you what poor driving will get you." - It's actually an example of how to extract every little fucking millisecond. Each of your criticisms on how the driver was "sandbagging it" was actually an example of the driver extracting everything out of the car, but you're too clueless to see it. Even that extra 1-2 km/h at the end of the straight by shifting into 6th at the downhill section. You just think that he's sandbagging it because you're CLEARLY UTTERLY CLUELESS, know nothing about the track or this car...or cars in general probably. Typical youtube car expert.
Not very fast lap
Slower than the Daimler E63 T-Modell and the Porsche GT 4. Nothing for me. But a good drive from the Pilot
Not even close to an Porsche GT3.
La caméra est mal placée. C'est (très) dommage. Sinon ça a l'air d'avoir une tenue de route de dingue. Personnes souffrantes d'hémorroïdes s'abstenir !
Front wheel drive Civic Type R does 7.43. LOL Lotus - that’s a heck of a poor performance....🙄
That's nothing about performance. That's about making Type R stricte for Ring. Btw all FW doing well on ring cos it's narrow circle.
Karol Nie that’s not exactly true.... I have been driving the Nordschleife a lot and average speed for a sub 8 minutes lap is around 160KM/H. This course is anything but narrow (of course it has also some slower sections) but favors horsepower a lot.
jogu123 This is Sport Auto who got 8:15 with Civic Type R. 7:43 is bogus lies from Honda.
8:01 now but still a fair difference.
Mid-engined, RWD, super light, very small, very sticky tires, lots of aero, very track focused and 380 hp Lotus still no faster on a track than FWD hatchbacks with around 100hp less power, 300 kg more weight and room for 5 people and their luggage, with far more comfort, refinement and safety, for about 1/4th the price. This is a joke. Who's gonna pay 130000 euros for this? You can get a well specced 911 Carrera S or Cayman GT4 for that money, which are both infinitely better cars than anything Lotus can even dream of, let alone make.
The Cayman GT4 is not really faster with a 7min42-43 lap time. In this video he miss shifted a couple of times with the Lotus. Also the laptime the new Civic Type R did was made by Honda. I only trust lap record made by the same source like Sport Auto magazine with a stock street car. When the car maker do their own fast lap on the nord they are always faster then usual. Same thing happened with Nissan and their GTR. A lot of thing can be done today without being visible to the public eye on a video.
maybe if you drive the cars you are talking about to compare before making such statements. Its not just about lap times, its the feeling it gives you driving the car which I am sorry, but a honda or even a bmw dont give you the feeling the "joke" lotus does.
The GT4 is a great car, Porsche make great cars. The lotus is a great and different car, why attack it, its not meant to be a Porsche and I suggest you drive them before critisizing too much....
this is not true. This lap time goes on head to head with Porsche 911 turbo, lamborghini gallardo superleggera, or Porsche 911 GT3 RS or Lamborghini Murcielago... go and search for yourself in the internet. Altough this Lotus would be the best choice for a hill climb race!
It's not the car .. its the driver
your comment shows you have never driven the cars you mentioned before. lol it is funny to see these smart ones talk about cars only based on data which was provided by manufacturers.
Disappoint
honda civic type R times........
Lewis Hamilton could of shaved 20 plus seconds off this lap ....
Easily ....
slower than a golf and civic.
Supercharged They got 8:15 with Civic. Honda cheaters well.....
ストレートが遅すぎる。パワーが足らない。
The Porsche Taycan has a faster time than this