The Man In The High Castle Cast Destroyed Every Nazi Symbol At The End Of Season 4 | SYFY WIRE
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- Joel de la Fuente, Rufus Sewell, Chelah Horsdal, Jason O'Mara, Frances Turner break down the filming of the final TMITHC season.
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The Man In The High Castle Burned Every Nazi Symbol At The End Of Season 4 | SYFY WIRE
Rufus Sewell as John Smith and
Joel de la Fuente as inspector kido were just brilliant.... They absolutely nailed it
J Alberto Perez
Kido
Joe
Smith
Thomas (he was technically a Nazi)
Yoshida (near the end)
They were all great
and who ever played tagomi san .
@@Pranjal13 Nobusuke Tagomi was my favorite character in the entire series. There are few actors who pull off the "wise sage," and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa is one of them.
I loved Helen 💗💗
@@wingy200 he was good, it's a shame they suddenly killed him off.
The final scene seemed very rushed .. felt more symbolic rather than making any plausible sense..
Well once you open a portal to another world, there isn't really many way's you can end it. Either you close the portal forever or keep it open. They kept it open.
@@u770017 yeah but no explanation about the portal tourists just walking in ignoring all the armed people they dont know lol
@@OrenTubing From my understanding, similar things were happening in infinite different universes. So just like The guy went through to find another version of his wife. Other people were coming through looking for a different life.
There was zero closure to the characters we've invested in. Smith was just discarded as the antagonist and all his ambiguity and moral struggles were just disregarded. Smith bad man because Nazis. All that power and emotion when seeing the life he could have... An amazing plot device just thrown away, I'm guessing because the creators didn't have the balls to make a nazi a human. Fyi, nazis were humans just like you and me. Any one of us can be corrupted and have our ideals warped, that was the whole point of Smith's arc. Just wasted. Let's not forget the self righteous daughter of the Reich who was raised by this ideology but oh, how could you kill all those people again because scared writing. Don't piss off the snowflakes by showing that human nature and morals are dictated by society. But that is in total contrast to the current leftist ideology. They want a world like this but replace NAZI with WOKE, Gestapo with Antifa, and jews and non-arians with sys-gender white men.
I was really disappointed with this season final, it was tremendous the idea of the end of this production at all
You should have NEVER killed Minister Tagomi :(
Because it's rush. Don't know why
@@iamdoctorcat6347 Maybe there were some problems with the actor or something? Still, they really need to explain that.
Absolutely agree. Tagomi was my favorite character. He found strength in his spiritual tradition. I really thought, going into Season 4, that he would be the key to resolving the whole story.
@@mingQWERTY I am pretty much sure that there was some problem with the actor as Tagomi appears in the season (at the murder and in Juliana's visions) but we never see his face. Also if his death was planned, it would have either happened at the end of S03 or he would get some real scenes in S04.
yea, I didn't like that either.
John Smith is the best character ever! Such a deep psychological investigation and ethical struggle! An amazing performance of Rufus Sewell! And also Kido was interpreted by a great actor!
A great character til he became predictable. Kido was far a greater character due to his everlasting duty-oriented personality. Predictable, but amazing. Smith just became a cliché.
I've loved them! The first time in my life I was supporting the antagonists
@@ricardohadlerv6185 Agreed. I started to get tired of most characters. Julianna got really tiring as well.
agreed
I hated Kido in first season and now I love him.
The series ending was much better in my universe.
well, I guess I am going to start making the portal to your world so that I could watch the good ending.
@@WyattPriceTV tell that to USA in the 1800s
@@thekingminn remember, every door to there is also a door in
UncountedWall hmm so I’m guessing stalin?
@@thekingminn Tell that to the USA/Isreal right now lol
Can we all agree, that we only watched the show for the John Smith storyline and Kido storyline?
Yesssssss
Facts, everything else was boring.
BEST CHARACTERS EVER!!!
Fichstar Rip joe
Fichstar false
Smith and Kido carried it.. it was laborious at times espeically with Juliana (she was sooo draining). Actually Tagomi was interesting.
Rushed and dissapointing ending.
Minh Nguyen same, she somehow acts independent but she mostly relies to other characters.
Juliana spot light ended long time ago.
I legit had to skip certain Juliana parts
Juliana is such a boring character
Don't forget Tagomi-san. Those characters compelled me to binge this series
Wow! Hearing Joel De La Fuente talk about his character Kido is a testament to how good of an actor he is. I mean Kido sounds totally different and so authentic. This show had such good acting all around. It’s a shame it ended how it did.
oh he does a Japanese inspector accent and he is an amazing actor. I do it and I'm banned from the chip shop.
Kido and smith were the best characters of this show BY FAR...they absolutely carried this show
Don’t forget Tagomi!
@@clarkstrange2142dont forget joe blake
I feel weird when Kido smiles
kelly Nguyen I don’t like this KIDO
I like how Kido just said he "ran out of gas" pun intended
LOL
😬
The BCR was rushed. They would’ve been more interesting if they were brought in earlier.
I agree. I liked them, but it would have been best if we saw them in Colorado from season one.
Yes, a great addition, but I wish they'd been introduced at least a season earlier. I liked how we saw them starting to join up with other resistance groups in the final episode. And the hints that they would have to figure out how to work with Wehrmacht deserters and even the Yakuza were fascinating. It felt like glimpses of a new version of America beginning to be stitched together.
I agree with you on that, I liked their story, but it'd make more sense if we heard about them from the 2nd or 3rd season.
Had to turn it into a black 50 cent lookin produced show smh one of many dissapointmebts
Would have been better without them altogether. Couldn't they have just been resistance fighters without having to introduce the race card or socialism into the mix - I thought that was completely ridiculous.
Game of Thrones: “First time?”
Season 4 was very good - the finale was really good until the ending - so many loose ends and quite a ridiculous ending that felt so out of place.
John Smith was a legendary character - even his end felt right.
But seriously, the end scene where all the people from alternative worlds just started popping out of the portal? Silly, rushed, absurd, and contradictory. They could’ve ended with the destruction of the portal - a far more justifiable end IMHO
Yeah, the last 5 minutes was pretty silly. I liked the end of John Smith. Felt very much like a play on Hitler's end.
There should’ve been American Soldiers Popping out: For Example the Last scene Portrays A MI Sherman Tank Popping out, Then maybe some Para-Troopers from D-Day, Maybe some Futuristic American Soldiers from Another Dimension. Also Soviet Troops would also be an amazing add on because The Soviets were with the Allied forces also so Soviets and Americans popping out of the portal would be amazing and then it would be awesome to have Fortunate Son Playing in the Back round and then The camera takes you three the portal showing you America back to normal how it was and it shows the Country (In the Reality where we win, which mean it would be Nice and Beautiful with DC Still standing).
The ending was Stephen King-esque
@@ppnation4217 yeeeeeesssss!!!! that's what i was hoping for yess!!!!!
@@ppnation4217 probably a reason your not in charge of these things (thank god) XD
Kido sounds like a Yankee, John Smith is British, and Helen is actually German. Mind blown.
Fun fact, the guy who played Kido is a yankee by birth
Kenneth Tigar who played Himmler is an American with Phd in German Literature. He nailed his character so well too along with John Smith and Kido san!
@@Lawi_Jake Funny that he's the same guy in Avengers 1 who confronts Loki and tells him "There's always men like you!" Such a great actor! Such great performance as Himmler! Scary at times!!
@@omarcrespo77 yo I just realized that wow
They had more stories to tell I’m kinda sad. Also who else loved Rufus Sewell in this show? Best character by far.
100% agree. I really hated how they ended his story, he should have had some kind of redemption even if he died at the end.
@@ninaa4192 I spent the entire series waiting for him to become the head of the Reich and ruin it, thinking that the fate of his son would open his eyes
@@from_jungle_to_jail Exactly! I thought it would’ve been a turning point for John himself and but it seems the writers didn’t think it through.
Possibly one of the most disappointing endings to a good show ever
ItsHobogoblin guess you haven’t seen game of thrones
Game of Thrones says Hi
Or Dexter
GoT ending wasn't disappointing so much as the final season was subpar.
If people really thought any front runner was gonna actually get the throne, you didn't pay much attention to the show.
@@notthefather3919 All of Season 8 was shit
No fanfare for Chelah Horsdal (Helen) and Genea Charpentier (Jennifer) in the scene where Jennifer calls out both parents about the concentration camps?
Amazing scene. I'm glad Helen went thru the arc she did in the final season.
The absence of music is what made it work
Liked how Helen kept blaming the "pro-noun people": Them. Till she realized no it was her ,John Smith and everyone cowed by the Nazis.
That was honestly one of the best scenes I've ever seen in TV history. That and the scene where John apologises to Daniel were some of the best acting I've ever seen. So rare to get one scene that good, let alone 2 in the same show
Very raw and reminiscent of conversations that were surely had in the 60s in Germany between one generation and their parents.
I kept thinking there had to have been something more to all of the times Juliana witnessed Joe killing her. Before he shot her, he kept saying “Trust me”, like there was something more to what he was doing.
Pffft. That would require competent writers.
I was lead to believe that in that in that reality, Joe knew that Juliana would be used as a lab rat for the portal which was likely to kill her. Therefore he killed her out of mercy, then himself.
I think the implication is that the more realities she's dead in, the more she can travel to and the lower chance that she'll die in transit, meaning she can do more good.
But it would have been nice if they said that and didn't leave it to us to theorize
When she had the visions I always thought that Joe was going to appear from the portal
@@matroj12 same!!! I feel like it would’ve been cool if Juliana and Smith had their final confrontation in the portal room and maybe just when smith is getting the upper hand, joe comes through the portal and there’s like a beat where you don’t know who he’s gunna help but he chooses to help Juliana
this show deserved two more seasons.
So strange.....hearing thir real accents
JCBs At the helm yeah especially Wyatt’s ._.
joel sounds white
I'm glad to see them out of their characters, talking about the show. You can see they really get along with each other. It's great.
Especially, for me, the actor who played John Smith.
@@jeffj2495 it's good seeing them in their own characters. That's acting for ya.
Here's a better ending: Instead of random people walking through, an army of Soviets come marching through.
I was expecting it to be an army coming through, I mean it’s only really America that crumbled in the end, the rest of the Reich is still standing so what’s gonna happen there? Are they just gonna lay down and say okay we surrender? Felt like they left a lot unanswered
lmao im dying this deserves the comment of the year
That would certainly make way for further seasons...
Dio Brando EXACTLY that’s what I was hoping to happen
Imagine if a russian julia crane led the Soviets through oof
Despite all the negative comments here I am bowing deep to the creators of this show! One of the best shows ever made including this final season! There was so much told between the lines and so many deep thoughts were served to us during all the four seasons! Thank you so much for this masterpiece!
THE ENDING MADE NO SENSE WHATSEVER
This entire universe makes no sense
TheSovietFlag&AnthemGuy 234 think that was the point
Is kind of like the book. But the chapter up to the end was great too.
im sorry the BCR concept was stupid, i can understand the black movement but not the communist ideology concept.. considering that Communist China was able to take over China even w/ Japan still in most of the country and then giving Japan run of its money all those years. The CCP was almost dead from the KMT and would not have sent guns/ammo/or money to the BCR. It was lazy writing and research for them.
@@princessleia7527 but you don't know how the CCP was in that world. Since it was never talked about, other that the support it gives. The writers could have the CCP do, and be, pretty much anything. If they wanted, and as a result have the series banned in China, the writers could have made that worlds "CCP" abolished during the "Long March" and have the Nationalists win.
I was so disappointed with the ending.
Rufus did a TERRIFIC job, I struggled for 4 seasons to understand what is Smith about, what does he believe in. The final episode really worked out for his character splendidly. It's like this show was all about him, his story as a person, unraveled
The BCR took over the season. They started out as an interesting addition and got boring really fast. I almost got to the point where i wanted to fast forward their scenes and get back to Kido, Juliana, and Smith. I don't talk much when I watch TV, but multiple times I said aloud "Okay, enough of this. I want to see the other characters now." And since they took over the show, we ran out of episodes and the plot had to be wrapped up faster than it perhaps should've been.
Pandering ruins creativity.
Badlaama Urukehu it wasn’t pandering, that’s just your insecurity. It was filler. Still dumb of them to do but no need to show your racial insecurity about it haha
@@badlaamaurukehu pandering to who exactly? Racists mad at a subplot where people fight for an America that never was? Awe.
Yeah, also what happened to Ed and Tagomi ? Also, what about the colony of Jews ? They could have taken the BCRs place.
I did the exact same same thing I was skipping those parts from episode 3. I just got annoying and somehow distractions...
I ended up loving the Smiths.
I ended up watching for the Smiths.
I ended up hating anything that stood in front of the Smiths.
I ended up rooting for the smiths and no one ells.
I ended up even hating Juliana (the supposed protagonist) from wanting to bring down the Smiths.
I am disappointed to say the least with how this show ended.
Such a shame. This show seemed like a bright spark but just flickered out so fast.
Id like to congratulate all the actors, you did a great job.
Especially Rufus Sewell. Your character was ruined by the writing but by god you’ll go down as one of my favourite characters. Truly.
I wish he was given more justice than what the show gave.
This show...This show was the Smiths.
Couldn't Agree more. Rufus Sewell carryied the show but I also liked Keido very very much. It was such a fresh perspective and take on the whole Topic not just "we are Resistance and there is this evil guy!" they gave them actual character and motivations and you even end up rooting for them.
Exactly! And yeah keido was good too.
jay travers exactly I rooted for a Nazi like that’s some damn good writing
@@raveshaw6161 Kido and Smith were fantastic characters and I should add Tagomi too. He had a pretty interesting personality, sad that he's missing from S04.
@My peepee is small but Frank was good, but he should have died in season II. His purpose in season III was practically non-existent.
Season 4 was great but too rushed. Could easily have stretched on a few more seasons. Great series, excellent actors.
SilverTounge85 problem they had was they cancelled the season because either the writing went haywire, or they didn’t know where to take the series.
Stop with the American stretching out series. You get 3 or 4 at that point it just becomes another show.
@@u770017 It wouldn't really be 'stretching' though, the season leaped around so much you didn't feel as invested as you could be.
Needed a couple more episodes ... would have made the difference between a good ending and a GREAT ending
Dear God, a few more seasons? Were you around back when great shows like The X-Files etc could never quit while they were ahead and just kept on going until they became a mere shadow of itself?
Im sorry but the series finale sucked. It felt so incomplete and like a season finale. So many loose ends and so many characters' arcs left unresolved.
I thought it tied everything up.
Agreed. It was totally rushed and the ending made no sense
Timothy Juvet the ending was al the people who died in there universe crossing back over from other one
Isn't a relatively open ending what we've loved about great books? I don't need movies or TV shows to tie all ends up for me. Imagination is the key to storytelling. And I love endings about which we can talk and have different explanations. So, yeah, I loved the finale.
It definitely felt rushed 😕
I’m American, but if I ever get famous I’m gonna do all my interviews in a British accent
You and me both
the end when that commander throws down his n*zi badge thing gives me goosebumps
Alejandro Jusino-Sánchez I don’t understand why John couldn’t have done that with his old American war buddy. He tried to convince to change things but he John wouldn’t bite. I guess John had too much blood on his hands.
What aspect about it gave you goose bumps? For me I laughed at the ridiculousness of the writing of it. Even if the United States tries to go back as what's implied, Germany controls 2/3rds of the world in this timeline. It'd take nothing with the amount of manpower at their disposal to invade the states again. That's not including what they could do with blocking all trade into the United States in the long run to starve them out, a country of that size and population wouldn't be able to last being so isolated from the rest of the world. It's absolutely mind-numbing how poorly written the last two seasons are.
@@averys7851
John kills himself because he's convinced that there's no road back, no redemption for him.
@@2UNIEK i agree with you except for the blockade part. USA produces so much raw material and food that we export more than we actually consume. Going isolationist would actually be a positive thing in the long run as we would finally bring back production to our own country again. I don't doubt the states would be overrun in this universe especially with the reich having hydrogen weapons but just cutting off trade would do nothing but strengthen the states.
@@davidabest7195 I was going to reply the same thing, ALSO one thing he is forgetting which is MENTIONED in the show, Is just because another country seems to have more men and power including bombs does not mean they will win, what really does matter and history can prove this, is the will to win. They looked at the bcr as savages who ended up crippling them, You also have to consider the reich is dealing with resistence on a massive scale ALL OVER now, Plus the video they broadcast called for people to stand up even just in their own minds, They have reach now, within the reich itself, The riech is full of american sleeper agents that do no know they are sleepers because all it takes is the usa spirit to come back and they fight back, in that way, they most definitly will not just be squashed like a bug, there is a whole bunch of variables now, too many to predict the end result.
Loved season 4, the character arcs were ridiculously well done. Though there was just a few things that seemed out of place, most notably *SPOILERS*
The attack on the freed pacific states getting canceled made no sense, pure plot armor and fanservice. But overall I loved it, I mean the scene where Helen tells John on the train “it’s a crime, John” and he actually agrees was amazing
SmeatPlays the attacks were cancelled because now that John was dead, Bill (the General) was free to make a decision actually on behalf of Americans and not the Reich. He was never loyal to the Reich, he was loyal to John. When he suggested to John (before he went to Berlin) that America defect as a nation from Germany, and could do so successfully because of their nuclear arsenal, you could tell that he was still a true American at heart. Which is why he chose to cancel the attacks on the freed pacific states given that John was dead.
ADF MO2 I definitely believed that as well but Bill’s big point was “we can make ourselves one country again John” he really wanted that, it just seemed out of character for him to call it off. But nevertheless you make you a good point
@@The_Honcho i think he thougt that there are better ways to reunify America than bombing major cities to the ground. He's suggested to be the type of guy I thought John Smith to be for a long time. Someone who just joined the Party to minimize damages of fellow Americans. In this situation he would be just much better off declaring that he wants to restore the old USA, pacific states would join them voluntiraly (not the BCR, but the citizens).
@@adfmo2195 exactly :) i cried there too
Alex Galvez definitely emotional when Bill removes his Nazi pin 😭
Such a great show...until the final episode....
"let the refugees in" was a miserable ending.
The show is awesome and I really loved it and I think the last episode was good right up until a bunch of random folk walked though the portal as if they were out for a Sunday stroll. "look honey at all these blooded men and women with automatic weapons In this weird cave, let's walk past them and see what's outside"
"Yes let's, oh what a lovely swostik on the wall too"
They could of done so much more.
A lone US soldier coming though to give the idea of hope, I don't know but something better than a load of ramblers wondering thought.
Other than that great.
Its insane to think the resistance made any victory at the end. Even if a majority of Americans succeeded from the Reich, Berlin would probably glass half the continent and the 1000 year reich would just keep on keeping on.
@@jimchatwin9159 that would have been a much better ending. Ultimately it wouldn't have made much sense to me in my opinion seeing how we saw the generals putting down their medals and such which Would have suggested that these former american generals finally stood up against Germany. I dont know but then ending was really bad. Game of thrones bad
@@BiPolarBear223 this
The fact that the BCR were communists was never actually explored. It was just window dressing. I think exploring how black people interpreted and implemented communism would have been a great contrast to how the show deeply explained nazism.
Completely agree, all that amounted to was calling each other “brother “and that was about it lol. In my opinion like others have said I think their addition was rushed and they probably should have existed in earlier seasons as well
Season 4 is a bad conclusion to the whole series. Really a waste seeing that season 1 and 2 were so good
The problem is that is inevitable. Its an american movie , it can not allow the Axis to win. At the end US pride has to prevail , otherwise the seires wont be allowed to air.
@@mowtow90 I was hoping to see further elaboration of the characters from S1 to S3. Maybe there is something about them in alt. Earth. But instead they continue to introduce new characters and then abruptly rushed the ending. Also John Smith should be depicted to turn good.
@@mowtow90 did you watch the final? the reich still exists.
They needed to give more logical explanations as to what was happening. Would have made more sense
I thought seasons 1 and 2 where excellent, but 3 and 4 where a disappointment.
I would of loved to see John Smith remember his American past and restore USA. And include a scene of him holding the American flag like in the thumbnail of season 4.
C K that would be so American. Come on, we don’t need happy ending. His end was true. People take passive paths and can’t often change their fate.
@@volkhen0 The scene where he said he knew it was a crime was the best scene in the show
@@volkhen0 I foresaw Smith choosing to betray the Reich. He never agreed with the Nazi Regime and with him travelling to the alt. world etc it 2as starting to look like when the shit hit the fan he was going to betray the Nazis. He should've had some kind of redemption imo before his death.
That would we be too gratuitous though
Nilabhra Mitra not for nothing, he said that he wanted to end it but he didnt know how and that why he killed himself. History shows and germany’s fight till the end that it is like this.
This show...This show was the Smiths. Rufus Sewell your legendary in my eyes, John was an incredible character.
Sad to say he was ruined by such rushed writing in those final episodes.
Right and the way he died was so cheap. Like, I dunno. Felt like Cersei Lannisters death
I'm so F tired of all this new fan entitlement going on in recent years! "Boohoo, they didn't end the show the way I wanted it to! Me me ME!"
@@nerd_in_norway It's not fan entitlement at all...the show was clearly rushed and quickly killed off integral characters just to reach a conclusion. G.O.T was no different...it just did it on an even greater scale. People have a right to be disappointed at the least.
@@nrlatty22 the show was cancelled it was ended. Got was not cancelled, the writers simply didn't want to keep the show going, here they got a chance to end it
Yeah, he should have gone through the portal to rekindle the vestiges of his better self.
That season 4 ending was a lot like GOT...
What a shame
I'm so F tired of all this new fan entitlement going on in recent years! "Boohoo, they didn't end the show the way I wanted it to! Me me ME!"
@@nerd_in_norway stop spamming comments
How dare you compare the shitshow of dumb&dumber with this show just because your favorite nazi died
I felt the same lol
So weird hearing Chief inspector Kido talk in his normal accent 😂
Joel De la Fuente is the funniest cast member. He always make them laugh during interviews
For some reason, I was hoping Frank would appear from the portal
Him and Joe.
Yes! I looked closely for Frank.
Absolutely love this season despite the lack of time to flesh out some of the plot points. It finally articulates on the banality of evil and questions the sacred American values through juxtaposition.
I agree wholeheartedly.
@Mr. Man Six American writers. But thanks for proving the show's point.
THANK YOU. This, this is so true.
Yeah I really wish with the BRC they would of ended up causing a multi civil war which would of been realistic with how the BRC actually handled the government
@Mr. Man Fuck you. Why would an anti-Semite watch an anti-Nazi show, anyway? You are obviously deeply confused.
I though Joel de la Fuente's mother tongue was Japanese. Spoke it perfectly throughout the show!
He is has filipino descent right ?
@@dickywisanggeni8468 yeah hes a filipino-american
I didn’t view the BCR as the good guys. And ill admit that the show’s glorification of a group of “reverse”-racist rebels who identify as communist was kind of dangerous for ignorant audience.
Is this a joke? The whole point was that they were racist as a defense mechanism, that's not a glorification it's an understandable reaction, in the same way after the Japanese Pacific States collapsed there were white vigilantes looking to kill 'the nips'.
Did not see a reverse racist perspective on their ends. Do you you see Holocaust survivors' grievances as reverse racism? If you happen to feel uncomfortable listening to the reality of their oppression, good! That's what it is meant to do. Have the uncomfortable dialogue on the effects of racism to make sure history does not repeat itself.
International Communism crafted its appeal to racial/ethnic minorities who, even under the best of circumstances, are disaffected. You're also talking about a world that never had our civil rights movement, so the status of black Americans would have been "frozen" at a nineteen-forties level at best or regressed as happened in the show.
@Art and Music Fine people on both sides, I'm sure.
The BCR would've been much more interesting if they had been introduced at the start of the show or otherwise much earlier on. It's pretty clear that they were thrown in at the very end to quickly toss a bone to modern progressive/liberal movements who want every show to be about the empowerment of minorities, but the overall concept of an exclusively-black resistance movement is a great way to show very valid questions about how their status would be in such a world. The BCR clearly repudiated the form of the US that we are most familiar with because it was snuffed out before the civil rights movement could take swing, and that's a perfectly valid way of thinking for such people in such a situation
Though the show sways the viewer to sympathize with them fairly heavily, I took their initial takeover as just another way in which the uncertainty of the post-axis-occupation future is shown
It's also important to note that they seem to repudiate their reverse-racist beliefs at the end of the season when white defectors from the American Reich arrive to fight for the BCR; in their TV broadcast across America they explicitly say that 'if you are watching this you are already a citizen' of their new America
Tagomi was the sweetness of this show
Worst ending ever!!!
They built up such an amazing and jaw dropping series only to rush the end and really drop the ball. Way to answer your audiences questions that we’ve been holding on to for years.
They did a game of thrones here
Agreed. It would have been better if the people coming out of the portal were characters who died earlier in the series like Frank or that Japanese resistance fighter who tragically perished in the bombing that scared Frank. Or even Thomas, hopefully he didn't die in Nam fighting a pointless war in our own universe.
Best series with most unclear and incomplete ending I've ever seen. I enjoyed the show very much, and don't feel disappointed, but I hope Amazon will let next season be produced as a final touch.
Hold up, John's actor is British? That's wild.
I never cared about Childan character, but in this season he had a lot of screen time for some reason, and his plot history went to nowhere at the end.
A or Poor Frank :(
@J Alberto Perez Exactly. He was one of the most interesting characters in the novel. I'm glad they included him, and kept him around to the end. As for his ending, well, that's the kind of bittersweet thing that happens in turbulent times. Seems like some people here thought every character should get a happily-ever-after conclusion, tied up with a bow. That would have made for a much less meaningful show.
He was central to the book and is a perfect representation of the everyman.
If they had just added a 2 min montage that showed a United States of North America at the end, it would have been a perfect show
@@Crick1952
Was Childan on that trawler at the end?
I didn't see him there.
I love how we went from the epic, satisfying, and well deserved plot twist when John killed Himmler and took control of North America to a crappy, unexplained, and rushed ending. Ironic.
I was honestly pretty disappointed with season 4. It felt so rushed and the ending didn’t really make any sense at all to me. A lot of the character arcs were left ambiguous or unresolved... and (I might get hate for this) I was honestly really sad about the deterioration of John and Helen’s marriage/relationship. They were one of my favorite couples in the first couple of seasons. You could just tell John really loved Helen and would do anything to protect her and his family. Yeah, he did some terrible things and made horrible choices... but he wasn’t an evil person at heart. As can be seen in who he becomes in the alternate universe version of him that we see a few times.
I just felt really depressed at how that whole storyline wrapped up.
I really loved Season 4, despite killing off Tagomi, which was awkward and most likely not what the writers initially wanted. But the mountain of unresolved plot lines and the ambiguous ending just lefe a sour taste in my mind. They really needed another season at least.
Agree, I have to wonder if his death was shoehorned in due to a contract dispute or something
They should make a new sequel show like game of thrones where factions are trying to each reunite America in their own image
Bruh whenever Kido would say “Hai Kakka” I felt that 😫
Facts
@@SuperPlayz 😂
I was so hoping Kido would somehow become the leader of the Yakuza
I am so happy he got to keep Kido’s glasses.
Not gonna lie, I'm just watching Rufus on a loop at 5:30
At first I was gonna comment that Joel De La Fuente has a really great accent in the show... then I actually heard Rufus Sewell speak!!! And holy jeebus!!! I had no freaking clue that he has a British Accent in his normal speaking voice... really great job he does with his American accent for the show!!!
I was really disappointed to not have seen Frank and Joe in an alternate universe. They like never even tried to discover parallel universes. The season was way to rushed like the majority said in the comments. Also the death of Tagomi was so sad I loved that character. I don't hate Juliana because she is actually not empty like all the other protagonists she is strong and puts up a fight but let's agree that she was pretty useless in the last season. I felt like the Smiths had the most scenes (not that I didn't enjoy it). Wheter the BCR should have been there I think they should have been there but they should have been introduces way earlier maybe in season 2. There should have been at least 2 more seasons, because espeacially characters like John Smith and Takeshi Kido should have been further developed. There were just at the very beginning of recognising their sins.
But thanks to the whole cast and crew. You are great and the show was awesome. Wished it went on...
John Smith should been sent to Alternative world with Thomas and Helen 😭😭
J Alberto Perez No, Helen in alternate world must be pregnant with John’s unborn child, that unborn child must have unique ability just like Juliana travel across the world. Wouldn’t that be exciting?
Nah he doesn't deserve that like Helen said in the train
He should have been redeemed, decided to turn on the reich, and then stepped down from his position and lived in the neutral zone with his family, or gone to the alternate world.
listen... the guy that played Kido saying "sorta ran out of gas there" Well played sir. lol
awe. the only thing i didn't like about the new season is the absence of Tagomi.
Joel De La Fuente as chief inspector Kido was one of the best characters played
Season 4 ended too abruptly. They really needed one more season to truly end the story.
I especially loved the kido character. He was perfection. A perpetua look of utter disgust, and when he walked into a room, you know its all over. Now
Kido character was superb . The ending was confusing for me. But the show overall was awesome.
Really glad Kido got a reasonably happy ending.
this was a good season but i just feel there is so many unanswered questions and storylines which are left unfinished so there need to be a season 5!
Why is closure such a difficult thing to give?
Please bring more seasons! There must be more parallel worlds out there to explore where dearly missed characters live on...
Season 4 started good, peaked at show 5 then went all Game of Thrones disappointing and when it was finished your like Really?!?! Acting was great but how it ended was disappointing.
They GOT it
Just finished all four seasons in about 2 weeks! Loved every minute of it! The acting, the sets, the creativity, the storyline! All superb! Love to see a reboot. Gotta bring John & Hellen back from another world though. They cannot be left out. 🏆🥇💯
john smith's end was very well done. loved that story line.
Oh my god! Kido's actor is so totally different in real life!!! I guess that's acting for you.
Kido out of uniform gets to really kick back.
I watched this show mainly for John and Kido’s storylines, they were the most interesting in the show. I stopped following the others after the dimensional through will was introduced.
They both got good endings.
Childan's though. Giving him a love story was pretty random.
its so strange seeing actors and actresses out of their role
they all did great, regardless of the strange ending
Symbolically burning things. Seems familiar...
Name the best duo:
Kido and Yoshida
Tagomi and Kotomichi
Smith and Raeder
Reading the comments I think this show achieved its goal very well.
We all love Smith, however he is presenting the most heinous crimes. The show did very well to make us forget those things and care about the character very much. Much like what happens in real life with people that start following extremists. Now that is in no way comparable to loving a character on a show, but still though...
Anyway, my personal favorite was Kido. The personal struggle he went through was amazing, his whole presentation was amazing. Loved every second with him on screen, extremely satisfying to watch.
Juliana and Wyatt were the most boring to me. Very one dimensional and straight to the point. No real conflictions, no ups and downs and very littel character progression.
BCR was most boring of all though, should not have been in the final season. Didnt care one bit for them.
It's such a trip how different the actors who played Kido and Smith are in real life with their actual accents and mannerisms.
If the producers were smart. They would release a two hour follow up episode following the ending of the show.
The final episode rushed to tie up all the loose ends, but it did deliver a very important payoff: Helen's character and her reckoning with Jennifer is perhaps the most powerful scene in the entire series, because it speaks from beyond the fictional universe at each of us as individuals: Will we all have the courage to stand up for what is right when we are tested, or do we make the compromises they made until they fail to recognize themselves afterwards?
That said, Chelah Horsdal, Rufus Sewell, and Joel de la Fuente really made this series for me. They became their characters so completely that I was shocked when I watched this interview and found each of them, especially Joel, almost unrecognizable in real life!
In episode 7 of Season 4 it was nice to finally see Hirohito - though I think he could have had a bigger role that tells his thought process behind the choice to withdraw forces from the Japanese Pacific States.
That ending was so disappointing. Who were the refugees at the end? Where did johns daughters end up? What will happen between the U.S. and Germany now? Did Robert Childan ever reunite with his wife in japan? Its so disapointing. It felt very rushed. And i felt like the ending was so disapointing. I think adding the BCR into the mix was a bad move, especially since we already had a lot to get through.... adding new characters and this sub-plot of the BCR was so unnecessary.... it was just too much with too little time.
I love the show but personally hate the ending. I didn’t really understand too much more and I feel like the show writers really missed out on seeing Smith completely “turn to the dark side” per say. We could’ve seen him completely turn on his family who now (for the most part) hate him and I think the show really could have capitalized on Smith being this dark energy, turning on everything he fought to protect because they no longer appreciate his sacrifice, and then, when we see his ark truly fall, we get that scene where he kills himself in front of Juliana and have his death be even more well earned and satisfying.
Season 4 was a complete mess. Suddenly the BCR became a main player and the concept of a black ethno-state that was anti-American was a thrust upon the audience. The last quarter of the finale, and the final sequence in particular, were nonsense with nothing being finalised satisfactorily. Three solid seasons almost ruined by a SJW final season with a liberal splash of identity politics thrown in for good measure.
I found the BCR tedious as well and the sudden capitulation of the Japanese was far-fetched, but it makes sense that the black population of the old USA would make its way west to escape Nazism. With the old USA gone, it makes sense that they would want a homeland of their own and saw their opportunity to get it.
Why would the black community would were treated as 2nd class citizens at best be pro america ?
@@otogun3324 I didn't say they did. They wanted a homeland of their own since both the old USA and the new had failed them. Makes sense.
So blacks get a part in this and all the sudden it’s SJW identity politics, sounds like you have bigger issues.
@@CARBONHAWK1 and talk of a white ehno-state would be met with......
Who else is disappointed that JOE BLAKE did not come back from an alternate universe??? Joe and Juliana’s relationship was my favorite part of this series. They never explained Joe killing Juliana in those alternate universe films (where he said “trust me” and shot her). I need answers here!!!
Quite surprising that alt. Frank and alt. Joe didn't show up at the end.
Abendsen seemed to think he'd find a new version of his wife among all those Travellers.
Awesome chemistry there. That explains quite a bit about the quality of the show.
It made absolutely NO SENSE to keep the portal open and have Abernathy look for another version of his wife. The WHOLE season hammered in the fact that their alt versions of their loved ones are NOT their loved ones, and that it's only TORMENT to fantasize about their alt lives and what could have been. One shouldn't run away to the other worlds as a solution to their problems because it is a false promise land. People should choose to stay and fix the world they live on.
Okay, I loved season 4 , i loved the ending and I’m satisfied with it, just my opinion... PERIOD ps: I don’t understand how people hate it🤷🏻♀️
I liked the season overall, but didn’t really feel satisfied with the way it ended
I actually expected some good, interesting,smart and exciting moves from John.
But he just comitted suicide after his wife betrayed him....
And i also dissapointed with his daughters, i mean the little one is nazi, and the elder one is not understanding her parents.
All of them are trash except for Thomas!
Thomas is the best character for me. In any universe he is smart, strong willed guy, who has right moral compas. In this universe he was a nazi though, but he did everything what he believed in till the very end.
To conclude i want to say i do not believe in multiverse:)
People hated the ending because was nonsense, no explanation.
I think some people missed the subtext of the season. They were watching it on a surface level, as a conventional sci-fi/thriller show. But the subtext was what made it really good.
Kido's character development in season 4 was crazy
Season 4 failed epically.
It´s such a powerful and emotional show I just really loved this 10/10. The charcaters, the story, the behinds, the twists and everything else about it made it so strong and made me really jump in this world. I felt like I was a part about the show and when horror happened I felt the emotion through my whole body. Season 4 was the most emotional season in the entire show when we got to see what happened with Johns brother or when John saw his dead child Thomas in the alt-world. Just wow!
*Spoiler* That was a d-bag move to put the ending of the season in a headline.
I don't get it
@@1D4ever Me neither. Most of us haven't watched the end of the season yet.
@@sgtrinity4047 What ? The cast destroyed it, it wasn't part of the actual show.
Jeez John Smith still looks scary here
Are we not gonna talk about Juliana sleeping around with three different dudes?
That was one of the things that puzzled me and made me laugh at the same time. Like just pick one woman it's bot that hard.
You're shocked that over 4 seasons, while crossing back and forth across a continent multiple times, she has a few different relationships? LOL.
Holy, kido was different with joel in terms of voice 😂
I loved the entire series except for the ending of season 4
It is a shame that the only cities in MITHC are San Francisco, Berlin and New York.
We did see devastated D.C.
loved Joel de la Fuente's character. John Smith too.