The Catholic Church in Ireland will be fine in the long run. Those who have left or aren't joining would have weakened it anyway. The Holy Spirit will guide the Church back to health by purifying it in time - he always has.
Any organization grouping people of similar irrational beliefs will exclude critical thinking and is ground to any abuse or crime it's authorities could see in it's self interest to ignore or promote. This principle applies not only to religions, but also to armies, political parties, companies, social classes and age groups, etc. Logical and rational thinking should be the most intensely taught and central core of our education curriculum.
What a shame. An honest, God fearing church is a blessing to a community, young and old. These satanic demonic predators have succeeded and destroying a good thing.
You do not get to claim they are not Catholics just because you do not like them anymore, lets be clear, these are Catholic sexual predators. Not Satanists or Atheists
I want to be there on the day the last church in Ireland closes it door for the final time then watch it be bulldozed, a just end after all the damage its done
there is a newton law that every (bad) action there is an opposite reaction if not for catholic sex abuse scandal and those hypocrites, there wouldn't be a seismic changes to marriage equality (same-sex marriage) and more apathy to religion or at least more secular...
Most ordinary folk of Faith are decent people, and would be decent no matter what Faith they were born into. Religion is not a repository of healthy behaviour, that rests within the hearts of decent people. What the issue with the Catholic Church is, in Ireland, is the manner in which the Church covered up and masked known predatory abuse, and protected itself and the abusers at the expense of the Survivors. Given the scope of the Church's role in Social and Educational Care settings, schools, residential industrial school units, launderies, mothers and baby homes, etc their Power to suppress wider knowledge of the harm and management of same has had an adverse impact on tens of thousands of survivors over 70 year period, and this adverse impact flowed out through into survivors families, communities and businesses, with relationships afflicted by trauma.... generation after generation. Both State and Church are responsible for those care settings and what happened within them.
@@coreluminous I would also say the scope of church control in ireland amounted to being the most powerful layer of the government at its peak. It goes above the mother and baby homes, where the church had a grip on the freedom of speech and expression within Ireland for decades. From deporting an Irish man for running a non church involved dance hall, the decades of school control and abuse covering there, stoking up support for Franco during the Spanish civil war, and the control of women's rights for work and enforcing of a rigid structure until a few daces ago. There's still a large portion of supposedly public irish land or buildings that have a church stake they won't relinquish. The average person who is a church patron is bound to be decent and sound, as they are just another part of the populace, but the level of control the church had was suffocating and Ireland is better off for it being loosened.
@@j377yb33n Precisely. Two groups who should wield less political democratic legislative influence are Wealthy Corporations and Religions - they should be equals before the citizen tax payer who funds the legislature, not dominant forces exercising power for their own ends.
It would be in decline anyway even without the scandals, that just quickened the decline. The problem now in the country is that it feels like the pendulum swinging into the other direction. From science denying religious conservatives to science denying leftists.
Revelation 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
@@priscillavelazquezs You and I are outside the Catholic church. We can see the truth. Those inside will never see the truth. The pedophiles are dug in like a tick, yet Catholic parents continue to drag their children into the lion's den every Sunday, placing them in harm's way, leaving them alone with their priest. If parents cannot see enough truth to protect their own children, how can they ever see enough truth to exit the evil church?
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356You know waht protestantism did in history, you know what Marthin Luhter did? He oppended Pandora's box he said to himself for what he did?
Christianity never ordered to abuse childs, people who call themselves "priests" did, why you hatr Christianity, did you had a trauma or something? Know who was Saint Patrick, a man of a good heart
It had nothing to do with out identity. Christianity was imposed on us just like the English language was imposed on us. Our roots are Celtic and our religion was Pagan.
@@celticlofts Christianity has been our religion for over a thousand years. Our written history began with the arrival of Christianity and most of the sources we have for paganism In Ireland was written by Christians. Wanting to erase thousands of years of cultural and religious development in our country is treasonous. Celtic crosses, trinity knots, insular art, lots of saints are all part of our culture and more. You have no celtic pagan bible, temple, and the only thing you have is stories written down by Christians about pagan gods and archaic traditions. The Irish Celts were pagan for about 1400 years, we have been Christian for around 1600 years. The Irish flag represents Christians, our national holiday celebrates our conversion to Christianity.
The devil attacked the church. Don’t leave and blame the church. If you were the devil and wanted to lead people away from Christ, how would you do it?
The Devil? The Devil! A criminal organisation that fooled and beat down the masses for years. Praying to an Iron age myth. Magdalen laundries, Tuam, children's 'homes', sex abuse, criminal conspiracy, hiding wealth so victims whose lives were destroyed won't be compensated, fighting victims in courts. The whole rotten organisation should shut down and kicked to the side of the road.
The Roman catholic church , is a Man Made religion , which has nothing to do with God ,. The Holy Bible Scripture says , do not pray 2 the dead , do not pray for the dead ,. What does the popes little men say , canonise dead men and Women , light candles to wooden statues ,. That is carved to look like a beautiful Woman , or Men ,. There is no Pope mentioned in Scripture ,. So this Man is a false Prophet ,.
Devils in the pulpits. This is the same church that tortured non confessors, burned heretics, and drowned witches. Most recently the pope has agreed to bless gay couples, effectively putting his stamp of approval on their behavior, by failing to warn them that the homosexual act is an abomination, and they will most surely die in their sins lest they repent. Nothing Christian about this church.The Catholic church has always compromised with the world.
Ai, tis true. But, be careful if you replace it. Madness such as critical theory may attempt it, and it's way more prone to such crimes within it's ranks.
1. Harms caused cannot be 'balanced' by some 'good' done elsewhere. 2. As to replacing belief, it is best replaced with knowledge, evidence and honest critical analysis... 3. There is no such thing as 'critical theory'. 4. There is plenty information available on how fallacious argument operates. 5. The issue here is how does Irish Society address the harms caused, and prevent future harms, and how do we meet the needs of Survivors.
Just when I thought there was no good news.
The Catholic Church in Ireland will be fine in the long run. Those who have left or aren't joining would have weakened it anyway. The Holy Spirit will guide the Church back to health by purifying it in time - he always has.
"Nothing compares, nothing compares to you..."
"Fight the real enemy!"
Any organization grouping people of similar irrational beliefs will exclude critical thinking and is ground to any abuse or crime it's authorities could see in it's self interest to ignore or promote.
This principle applies not only to religions, but also to armies, political parties, companies, social classes and age groups, etc.
Logical and rational thinking should be the most intensely taught and central core of our education curriculum.
@@f-xdemers2825 theres nothing wrong with being religious
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 You are right, there's "norhing" wrong, norhing at all.
Get an education please before emitting such silly noises.
@@f-xdemers2825 im typing with a phone. don't be bigoted
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 Use you brain to type, it'll be better.
@@f-xdemers2825 you give atheists a bad name
I was raised in the catholic church and it makes me very happy to see people leaving it.
On behalf of the people in ireland that means all of you
Wwll, CC had it coming. What goes around, comes around.
Perhaps, it's time to revive pagan Celtic paganism. Of course, no clergy will be needed.
The Holy Spirit was never in the church. Nobody will miss the church, except the devil.
What a shame. An honest, God fearing church is a blessing to a community, young and old. These satanic demonic predators have succeeded and destroying a good thing.
You do not get to claim they are not Catholics just because you do not like them anymore, lets be clear, these are Catholic sexual predators. Not Satanists or Atheists
I want to be there on the day the last church in Ireland closes it door for the final time then watch it be bulldozed, a just end after all the damage its done
Exactly the people of Ireland need to take their church back
Yes it's never ever the fault of Christians - more of a victim culture than woke could reach
If you support them you are child abusers also
The irish also need to take responsibility for their part in what was done to us
What?
there is a newton law that every (bad) action there is an opposite reaction
if not for catholic sex abuse scandal and those hypocrites, there wouldn't be a seismic changes to marriage equality (same-sex marriage) and more apathy to religion or at least more secular...
And that makes up for the misery we were put through does it
The Catholic Faith will never disappear in Ireland.Almighty God will revive the church in his good time.
No
NOPE!
Yep!
sex offender apologist LOL! cult cult cult cult talks
Keep praying for that. It will of course do no good at all, but you stay on your kneed talking to your imaginary friend in the sky.
Speaking as a foreigner, does the decline in Catholicism make Ireland a better or a worse place?
Most ordinary folk of Faith are decent people, and would be decent no matter what Faith they were born into. Religion is not a repository of healthy behaviour, that rests within the hearts of decent people.
What the issue with the Catholic Church is, in Ireland, is the manner in which the Church covered up and masked known predatory abuse, and protected itself and the abusers at the expense of the Survivors.
Given the scope of the Church's role in Social and Educational Care settings, schools, residential industrial school units, launderies, mothers and baby homes, etc their Power to suppress wider knowledge of the harm and management of same has had an adverse impact on tens of thousands of survivors over 70 year period, and this adverse impact flowed out through into survivors families, communities and businesses, with relationships afflicted by trauma.... generation after generation.
Both State and Church are responsible for those care settings and what happened within them.
@@coreluminous I would also say the scope of church control in ireland amounted to being the most powerful layer of the government at its peak.
It goes above the mother and baby homes, where the church had a grip on the freedom of speech and expression within Ireland for decades. From deporting an Irish man for running a non church involved dance hall, the decades of school control and abuse covering there, stoking up support for Franco during the Spanish civil war, and the control of women's rights for work and enforcing of a rigid structure until a few daces ago.
There's still a large portion of supposedly public irish land or buildings that have a church stake they won't relinquish.
The average person who is a church patron is bound to be decent and sound, as they are just another part of the populace, but the level of control the church had was suffocating and Ireland is better off for it being loosened.
@@j377yb33n Precisely. Two groups who should wield less political democratic legislative influence are Wealthy Corporations and Religions - they should be equals before the citizen tax payer who funds the legislature, not dominant forces exercising power for their own ends.
It would be in decline anyway even without the scandals, that just quickened the decline. The problem now in the country is that it feels like the pendulum swinging into the other direction. From science denying religious conservatives to science denying leftists.
Worse and as gave up itself to a bew colonial master called the EU for forty pieces of silver in EU grants and bailouts.
The decline of the Catholic Church on a global level needs to happen
@davidwatt1951 exactly and I feel if more people were educated about it they'd at least have a chance
Revelation 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
@@priscillavelazquezs You and I are outside the Catholic church. We can see the truth. Those inside will never see the truth. The pedophiles are dug in like a tick, yet Catholic parents continue to drag their children into the lion's den every Sunday, placing them in harm's way, leaving them alone with their priest. If parents cannot see enough truth to protect their own children, how can they ever see enough truth to exit the evil church?
protestantism is the future
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356You know waht protestantism did in history, you know what Marthin Luhter did? He oppended Pandora's
box he said to himself for what he did?
It's really horrible!!!! So many Sex Abuse scandals in Christianity 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎💔It's disgusting
Christianity never ordered to abuse childs, people who call themselves "priests" did, why you hatr Christianity, did you had a trauma or something? Know who was Saint Patrick, a man of a good heart
Still an abusive children's home open in dun laoghaire dublin
It has little got to do with abuse and more to do with apathy, The Catholic Church is part of our identity and may God protect it
You protect paedophiles? Disgusting!
Was part of our identity. Past tense. It's not anymore.
It had nothing to do with out identity. Christianity was imposed on us just like the English language was imposed on us. Our roots are Celtic and our religion was Pagan.
@@celticlofts Christianity has been our religion for over a thousand years. Our written history began with the arrival of Christianity and most of the sources we have for paganism In Ireland was written by Christians. Wanting to erase thousands of years of cultural and religious development in our country is treasonous. Celtic crosses, trinity knots, insular art, lots of saints are all part of our culture and more. You have no celtic pagan bible, temple, and the only thing you have is stories written down by Christians about pagan gods and archaic traditions. The Irish Celts were pagan for about 1400 years, we have been Christian for around 1600 years. The Irish flag represents Christians, our national holiday celebrates our conversion to Christianity.
@@celticlofts celtic christianity was important
The devil attacked the church. Don’t leave and blame the church. If you were the devil and wanted to lead people away from Christ, how would you do it?
The Devil? The Devil! A criminal organisation that fooled and beat down the masses for years. Praying to an Iron age myth. Magdalen laundries, Tuam, children's 'homes', sex abuse, criminal conspiracy, hiding wealth so victims whose lives were destroyed won't be compensated, fighting victims in courts.
The whole rotten organisation should shut down and kicked to the side of the road.
No the Catholic Church has always been a detectable institution, anything short of mass murder of its leaders is mercy
The Roman catholic church , is a Man Made religion , which has nothing to do with God ,. The Holy Bible Scripture says , do not pray 2 the dead , do not pray for the dead ,. What does the popes little men say , canonise dead men and Women , light candles to wooden statues ,. That is carved to look like a beautiful Woman , or Men ,. There is no Pope mentioned in Scripture ,. So this Man is a false Prophet ,.
What utter nonsense. The "devil" did nothing. These priests did it. Blame them.
Devils in the pulpits. This is the same church that tortured non confessors, burned heretics, and drowned witches. Most recently the pope has agreed to bless gay couples, effectively putting his stamp of approval on their behavior, by failing to warn them that the homosexual act is an abomination, and they will most surely die in their sins lest they repent. Nothing Christian about this church.The Catholic church has always compromised with the world.
Thank God ,.
Ai, tis true. But, be careful if you replace it. Madness such as critical theory may attempt it, and it's way more prone to such crimes within it's ranks.
lad, look at something other than the american right paranoia
1. Harms caused cannot be 'balanced' by some 'good' done elsewhere.
2. As to replacing belief, it is best replaced with knowledge, evidence and honest critical analysis...
3. There is no such thing as 'critical theory'.
4. There is plenty information available on how fallacious argument operates.
5. The issue here is how does Irish Society address the harms caused, and prevent future harms, and how do we meet the needs of Survivors.
Meaningless drivel.
@@coreluminous 2 is the ideal, but in the real world the masses tend toward superstition and are easy to fool.
@@fufu3539 which is why you severely punish public figure who lie and mislead
Death is a major motivator