Thanks for posting , a truly beautiful sight ‘ Wish I was there !!!! Love how the senior gentleman told the younger fellow to leave the ‘ Rag’ On the 3rd engines crankshaft , and when started , it didn’t fly off !!! Definitely experience shows here , this gentleman has definitely history on these engines , A by - gone era, bless you all :)
For all the wikipedia engineers: The engines are oil-cooled and temps monitored. Without proper airflow cowling fitting a test prop is only one step up from running them in decent breeze. When the exhaust stubbs start to glow red you know they are getting hot.
Well said Horn and Rob C , to far to many bloody ‘ stand up philosophers ‘. To tired of these Internet wana be geniuses, look on the bright side , at least we use our hands and our own brain Gentlman , when I’m working on planes and cars , these poor people are planted in a chair , and should try getting out and experiencing life !!!!! Instead of being keyboard warriors !!
So, the "cooling" fins on the heads and cylinders are just for show? Why did the manufacturer bother to add the extra weight? Seems like a STOOPID idea, on an aircraft anything! Burt Rutan said a BUNCH of times, if I want to add something on an aircraft, I throw the component up in the air. If it falls back down, I don't use it. steve
@@moto_rad, I was rebutting someone else, that thought the fins were redundant. I ride an air cooled gas powered bicycle. I KNOW what cooling fins are for! Same engine for the last 3 years. They have NEVER let me down. Let me know if you want to discuss engine cooling. I know a "small" amount. Plan on discussing why the P-51 Mustang gained 150 pounds of thrust, from the radiator. steve
I was in A an E school back in the 1970's. Our teachers were W.W. ll guys and they loved to start the old radial engines. We were into helicopters , which were starting to get used everywhere in the 1970's .
Don't knòw what ships they came off of but none have a turbo-supercharger allowing them to fly at 45,000ft. as the ones for KB50J in-flight refulers I worked with, in the AF in Mildenhall , England. The engine shop where I worked supplied 4360's for KB50s that refuled B-66s which made ELINT runs into Russian airspace. They came from a B-36 elimination project and there were at least 40 of them standing-by at any given time. I worked on the mobile engine test stand crew , post buildup.
Those babies would be worth a butt load of money today. Even more if someone had a plane they were restoring that took these monsters. They look like they're in nasty condition but DAMN I've never seen a radial start that easily and all four popped to life right off.
Please show some respect for the people operating these engines. If they were capable of setting up these ancient engines and starting and running them, surely they KNOW what the heck they are doing. I know nothing about radial engines, but bet that I do know reading Wikipedia doesn't make anyone a radial engine expert.
I am a Radial Engine Mechanic and I spent years running and maintaining these engines on C-119 and KC-97 and the worst thing they could do is run these engines without club props sometimes called test stand props. Also I didn't see a pre-oiler anywhere and if these engines have been setting for a while they should have been pre-oiled prior to starting. With that said the engines belong to these guys and they should do whatever they want with them. So go for it .
@@michaeldriggers593 You can run any engine for a certain length of time before you need to worry about overheating. But yes, I'm certain the engineers that designed them certainly didn't expect them to be run without cooling. My question is about the mass of the prop needing to carry the craft shaft between power strokes of each cylinder. Is that the other reason they didn't want them to go above idle?
Were they on the farm for agricultural purposes? I've read many times about these engines re-purposed for other uses, even as far back as the end of WW2. Particularly on farms they were ran in orchards and near other crops to circulate the air to protect from frost, even the Merlin V-12s in England. They were also used to power wind tunnels for research, and I' have even read of some leftover Luftwaffe V-12s that were used to run power generators and to pump water. This would be the first video I've seen of farm engines, if that is why there are there.
are you stupid? none aircraft engine was never use in agricultural purposes: to high power, too high consumption, very high maintainance costs, unable to run stationary, except some water cooled engines...some DIESEL engines (Junkers Jumo 205) use in the lufwaffe was possibly use but not more ...
Pull plugs. Volume in cylinder head should be large enough to prevent hydraulic lock after draining or vacuuming. Valves will open up and allow remaining drainage and very smoky starts.
So, the overheating issues were due to tight cowling. Not an inherent engineering flaw. They solved that with the R2800... (insert the more you know rainbow here for all the “engineers”)
The Wasp Major wasn't a massive success however. While powerful when it worked, it was also regarded as an engine with insanely high maintenance costs.
Wright Cyclone had or maybe still has blue prints to build their 36 cylinder 4600 C.I.D. The engine almost got manufactured. If someone knows more about the Wright radial 1940's blue prints please let me know.
The rag is there to keep dirt from getting inside the prop shaft, where the hydraulic passages are for controlling the pitch of the prop. You'll notice that each engine had a cap over the end of the prop shaft, and the aforementioned "rag" is held on by a rubber band, that is why it doesn't fly off. The guy that was assisting took it off, and the guy starting the engine told him to put it back on.
@@wackowacko8931 You can plainly see that there is NO "rubber band holding the rag on". The guy pulled the rag off as the shaft was turning, and just threw it back over the shaft right as it started. No rubber band was used, or put back on. The rag was just hanging on the shaft, and was holding on because it twisted itself on there when the engine fired.
Mucaro, well said. Until a person lays a wrench on, operates as a flight engineer, pilot, or the the real boss-the crew chief- kneel before them. Radial engines built the aviation industry, fought wars, and brought relief to refugees long before the "J" series jet engines. Jets are for kids.
I just saw this and not gonna be engineer flop No. Anything. But I will say that Harley-Davidson v twins run a looooong time with just a breeze and a good beer fart or two without any prob.
I ran a small block Chevy with open exhaust manifolds and blipped it a few times. An expert standing by told me and the potential buyer that I had burnt the valves and melted the pistons.
My pop was a navy pilot from 1945 to 1969 and said if the plane had a Wright or a Pratt&Whitney you were guaranteed to get home! He flew TBFs to PBMs and loads of stuff in between. If it had wings and a round engine, he probably flew it! And helicopters, too. Running those gorgeous babies for several minutes like they were does no damage since they aren’t under a load. Actually air cooled is not the proper terminology, they were oil cooled.
Yeah- These engines should've had props on them for cooling. I can tell that they're running hot-NOT GOOD. If these guys ran them,burned them up-they too should be scrapped along with 4 great engines.
Thanks for posting , a truly beautiful sight ‘ Wish I was there !!!! Love how the senior gentleman told the younger fellow to leave the ‘ Rag’
On the 3rd engines crankshaft , and when started , it didn’t fly off !!! Definitely experience shows here , this gentleman has definitely history on these engines ,
A by - gone era, bless you all :)
For all the wikipedia engineers: The engines are oil-cooled and temps monitored. Without proper airflow cowling fitting a test prop is only one step up from running them in decent breeze. When the exhaust stubbs start to glow red you know they are getting hot.
below in comments we have Many Wikipedia engineers ,
taught by Video Games and you tube
Well said Horn and Rob C , to far to many bloody ‘ stand up philosophers ‘.
To tired of these Internet wana be geniuses, look on the bright side , at least we use our hands and our own brain Gentlman
, when I’m working on planes and cars , these poor people are planted in a chair , and should try getting out and experiencing life !!!!!
Instead of being keyboard warriors !!
So, the "cooling" fins on the heads and cylinders
are just for show?
Why did the manufacturer bother to add the
extra weight? Seems like a STOOPID idea, on
an aircraft anything! Burt Rutan said a BUNCH
of times, if I want to add something on an
aircraft, I throw the component up in the air.
If it falls back down, I don't use it.
steve
@@steveskouson9620 cooling fins add surface area, nothing more nothing less
@@moto_rad, I was rebutting someone else,
that thought the fins were redundant.
I ride an air cooled gas powered bicycle.
I KNOW what cooling fins are for! Same
engine for the last 3 years. They have
NEVER let me down.
Let me know if you want to discuss engine
cooling. I know a "small" amount. Plan on
discussing why the P-51 Mustang gained 150
pounds of thrust, from the radiator.
steve
The tree huggers didn’t sniff these massive incredible engines out and protest!?
Unbelievable! You can feel the power even on this tiny computer!
I was in A an E school back in the 1970's. Our teachers were W.W. ll guys and they loved to start the old radial engines. We were into helicopters , which were starting to get used everywhere in the 1970's .
videos like this is what I love about UA-cam.
Sweet!!!! I love those round engines!!!!
That rag spinning on the engine no. 3 output shaft looks like a pizza dough :)
they do keep the bugs down. amazing at what can be done with a lot of thought and a slide rule
That is the sort of sound one will probably rarely if ever hear again if they hear it once in their lives....
The 4360 Wasp Major was one of the most if not the best sounding radial engine of WW2
Wasn't ready for WWII
80 year old technology that was all created without a single microchip.
Those are the unleashed beasts!
Don't knòw what ships they came off of but none have a turbo-supercharger allowing them to fly at 45,000ft. as the ones for KB50J in-flight refulers
I worked with, in the AF in Mildenhall , England.
The engine shop where I worked supplied 4360's for KB50s that refuled B-66s which made ELINT runs into Russian airspace. They came from a B-36 elimination project and there were at least 40 of them standing-by at any given time. I worked on the mobile engine test stand crew , post buildup.
Early C-119s. Probably R-4360-20s.
Spent many an hour changing "plugs" on the C-124's.
Me too Leonard on Okinawa 65/66
The sound of the B-36
Man that is so awesome music !
Early "A" models with the 7 magneto set up.
Those babies would be worth a butt load of money today. Even more if someone had a plane they were restoring that took these monsters. They look like they're in nasty condition but DAMN I've never seen a radial start that easily and all four popped to life right off.
talon55130 in good condition these babies have a good habit of actually starting with little fiddling involved
Must have his own private fuel truck to feed the babies!
Some narrow minded peace freaks simply would not be able to appreciate the beauty of seeing a bunch of motors, on trailers, just running.
Impressive!!!👍🙂
Olha cara os mecanicu fazen bastante manitencao neses motores de pase gue mas parese uma maguina industreal show 💥💥
Super stealth aircraft test article,waiting for the super stealth engines.Basic airworthiness test with these old corncobs!
I think at 1:57 I heard the VVTi kick in, either that or it was one of the 56 spark plugs fouling, JK. Why cant I have neighbors like this?
Please show some respect for the people operating these engines. If they were capable of setting up these ancient engines and starting and running them, surely they KNOW what the heck they are doing. I know nothing about radial engines, but bet that I do know reading Wikipedia doesn't make anyone a radial engine expert.
if you did..you would know that running these complicated engines w/o a prop is a major nono...show some respect??? not to these nitwits.
I am a Radial Engine Mechanic and I spent years running and maintaining these engines on C-119 and KC-97 and the worst thing they could do is run these engines without club props sometimes called test stand props. Also I didn't see a pre-oiler anywhere and if these engines have been setting for a while they should have been pre-oiled prior to starting. With that said the engines belong to these guys and they should do whatever they want with them. So go for it .
@@michaeldriggers593 ķ
@@vet6822 Yup. I just love it when owners 'blip' radials like AA/FD engines. I think I'll go cry now.
@@michaeldriggers593 You can run any engine for a certain length of time before you need to worry about overheating. But yes, I'm certain the engineers that designed them certainly didn't expect them to be run without cooling. My question is about the mass of the prop needing to carry the craft shaft between power strokes of each cylinder. Is that the other reason they didn't want them to go above idle?
So Cool! I want one.
I WANT ONE!
I'm envious!
Very, very NICE!
cool , just need to find a C97 to fit on it now
Were they on the farm for agricultural purposes? I've read many times about these engines re-purposed for other uses, even as far back as the end of WW2. Particularly on farms they were ran in orchards and near other crops to circulate the air to protect from frost, even the Merlin V-12s in England. They were also used to power wind tunnels for research, and I' have even read of some leftover Luftwaffe V-12s that were used to run power generators and to pump water. This would be the first video I've seen of farm engines, if that is why there are there.
iron maiden
are you stupid? none aircraft engine was never use in agricultural purposes: to high power, too high consumption, very high maintainance costs, unable to run stationary, except some water cooled engines...some DIESEL engines (Junkers Jumo 205) use in the lufwaffe was possibly use but not more ...
There's an aircraft hangar in the video - doubtful this was on any "farm"
That's one heck of a tractor shed "down on the farm."
When Lyle Shelton owned "Rare Bear" didn't he shoe horn one of these onto her?
These are air cooled engines. Not a
single propeller mounted. What is
cooling these?
steve
I wouldn’t jump in that plane. Surely it isn’t running right. Lol
Don't you have to pull the prop through 10 or 12 blades to prevent a hydraulic lock on the lower cylinders. How do you do that with no prop???
Pull plugs. Volume in cylinder head should be large enough to prevent hydraulic lock after draining or vacuuming. Valves will open up and allow remaining drainage and very smoky starts.
The electric starters were clutched, and would slip also if the engine was hydroed
I’m sure that was a remarkable sound to hear in person. Not exactly what ya hear on the farm everyday.
So, the overheating issues were due to tight cowling. Not an inherent engineering flaw. They solved that with the R2800... (insert the more you know rainbow here for all the “engineers”)
The Wasp Major wasn't a massive success however. While powerful when it worked, it was also regarded as an engine with insanely high maintenance costs.
Yep. With 336 sparkplugs to change, and 336 valves to adjust on the B-36, just regular maintenance was a pain in the ass.
Aircooled cylinders behind other aircooled cylinders have always have overheating issues. See: Harley Davidson
That's a lot of money sitting there.
Awesome
Wright Cyclone had or maybe still has blue prints to build their 36 cylinder 4600 C.I.D. The engine almost got manufactured. If someone knows more about the Wright radial 1940's blue prints please let me know.
Didn't the B-29's have multi-row radials in them and didn't they also have overheating problems?
the Wright R3350 turbo compound engine had a habit of also eating exhaust valves too
The B50 has the R4360 power plants.
Thanks horn player was gonna say something!!!
Wow, I wonder if that will ever happen again?
I seriously doubt that the rag is doing much of anything.
vector6977 bg
the RAG was a show piece just so you could see the shaft was turning
The rag is there to keep dirt from getting inside the prop shaft, where the hydraulic passages are for controlling the pitch of the prop. You'll notice that each engine had a cap over the end of the prop shaft, and the aforementioned "rag" is held on by a rubber band, that is why it doesn't fly off. The guy that was assisting took it off, and the guy starting the engine told him to put it back on.
@@wackowacko8931 You can plainly see that there is NO "rubber band holding the rag on". The guy pulled the rag off as the shaft was turning, and just threw it back over the shaft right as it started. No rubber band was used, or put back on. The rag was just hanging on the shaft, and was holding on because it twisted itself on there when the engine fired.
@@wackowacko8931 Those might have been setup for Curtis Electrics. You would have seen oil spraying out if set up for Hamilton Hydromatic props. .
3rd engine has some oil leak issues.....
Just a few moving parts.....
wow woow woooow wooooow !!!
Mucaro, well said. Until a person lays a wrench on, operates as a flight engineer, pilot, or the the real boss-the crew chief- kneel before them. Radial engines built the aviation industry, fought wars, and brought relief to refugees long before the "J" series jet engines.
Jets are for kids.
"Jets are for kids" - could have been my words... a real plane needs a piston engine and a prop! Jets are sooooo boring... they don't "live"!
No prop or club? Crew chief would have sent 'em back to the motor pool.
Wow ! Want !!
A scary sound if it was flying above...
"Cough,Cough" WHY?? To destroy them ?
Its all fun and games 'till you foul a start and half to replace 56 spark plugs
Can you please tell me where in California this was taken? Thanks.
Whao👍👍
Find two more and you could get a B-36 off the ground!
Need the turbines also for those short runways.
Why would ever run an engine with out a fly wheel
Huh??
This should be a huge hit for the tree huggers but we do not care!
Well, shoot...
Where would someone find one of these engines for sale?
South American scrapyards?
Rose White. I’m not asking for a country...... asking more for a company name or contact number.
Have you heard of Google!
@@ryanchastain7355 i have several 775 291 8532
running such engine without a cooling propeller is realy tupid...
sad no cooling
ohh Here we have wikipedia engineer number 4
Doesn't need cooling to idle for a few minutes.
do you know running these engines w/o a prop can damage them....guess not.
vet68 you’re and idiot
Here we have wikipedia engineer number 2
What a shame - those motors are toast now. Those beast ran hot even WITH proper airflow.
and its !!! wikipedia engineer number 6
I just saw this and not gonna be engineer flop No. Anything. But I will say that Harley-Davidson v twins run a looooong time with just a breeze and a good beer fart or two without any prob.
🙄 They're fine. They can be run at idle for a while without a prop.
I ran a small block Chevy with open exhaust manifolds and blipped it a few times.
An expert standing by told me and the potential buyer that I had burnt the valves and melted the pistons.
running them not by any air cooled means very irresponsible
respect my privacy you’re an idiot
and.... Here we have wikipedia engineer number 3
What a waste. all four are toast now.
they were clueless.....
and another... Here we have wikipedia engineer number 5
My pop was a navy pilot from 1945 to 1969 and said if the plane had a Wright or a Pratt&Whitney you were guaranteed to get home! He flew TBFs to PBMs and loads of stuff in between. If it had wings and a round engine, he probably flew it! And helicopters, too. Running those gorgeous babies for several minutes like they were does no damage since they aren’t under a load. Actually air cooled is not the proper terminology, they were oil cooled.
Read the very first comment Einstein.
They are NOT toast. Wise up.
Yeah- These engines should've had props on them for cooling. I can tell that they're running hot-NOT GOOD. If these guys ran them,burned them up-they too should be scrapped along with 4 great engines.
Here we have a wikipedia engineer !!