The Russian Commander's Watch: Komandirskie
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2020
- Find out why this is truly the AK-47 of watches.
Vostok Komandirskie Tank Watch (featured)
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Vostok Komandirskie Airborne/Paratrooper's Watch
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Vostok Komandirskie Aerobatic Team Watch
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Vostok Komandirskie U-Boat Commander
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Submarine Commander
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Photo Credits:
-Poster of Conan the Barbarian, copyright 20th Century Fox, reduced resolution poster for fair use.
-Nicholas Roerich "Guests from Overseas". From the series "Beginnings of Russia. The Slavs." 1901, public domain
-Funeral of Ruthenian noble by Siemiradzki, public domain
-A confrontation between mounted archers. Illustration of Rashid-ad-Din's Gami' at-tawarih. Tabriz, public domain
-Mongol soldiers by Rashid al-Din 1305, public domain
-Taliban border guard in Turkham, Afghanistan, public domain
-Japanese D51 locomotive outside Yuzhno-Sakhalin Railway Station, Sakhalin Island, Russia. public domain
-Burning T-34 tank, Russia 1941. File:Bundesarchiv B 145 Bild-F016221-0016, Russland, Brennender T-34.jpg Public Domain.
-By Unknown author - www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/history4-6.php?menu=history5.php, Public Domain, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2634119
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The Weishi TimeGrapher is one of the best tools a collector can own, you can use it to adjust for beat error as well as rate. the vostoks all almost all need adjustment when they arrive and once adjusted have very reasonable accuracy .
DeadEyedSam Before I had it, regulating a watch took 2 days. Now it takes 5 minutes! So handy.
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What are you saying, then when I want say a comment. Commercial? WHAT SHORTAGE ? If I want a B/Vostok I go to AMAZON & order ! Sure it Thames 1 1/2 month, tho I order Direct from the factory ! Other sites have them !
I don’t understand your Title ?
I'm a total addict, but after buying a new komandirskie and an amphibia, I realised what I really wanted was a soviet era (pre 1990s) watch. That was when the fun really started. Vostok, Raketa, Slava, Luch, ПОЛЕТ, Pobeda, Sekonda (British company, Russian watches). So full of history. During the '80s I bought a new Rolex, if someone gave me a Rolex now, I would sell it and buy a bunch of soviet watches. I have over 80 now, I am hooked !
Congrats for ur collection. Can u give an advice for a newbee in Russian watches and a professional sailor ... which old models have been produced for Mariners? E.g. VOSTOK KOMANDIRSKIE Capitan Submarine Military USSR, or the Cardi Vostok Capitan. Any good sources to read about. On ebay are some traders mostly from Ukraine (what a strange coincidence in these war times), are they competent and trystworthy to deliver used old Russian watches?
@@profiskipinternational4402 I buy second hand soviet watches from ebay, mainly Ukraine sellers because they are more reliable (not just because of unfortunate recent events).
It is very important to check the feedback and that the watch has been serviced. I have only had 2 watches which had a minor problem which was the minute hand had become loose (watches were well packaged, but probably caused by a rough ride in transit). In such cases I take the watch to a local, reliable watch repair shop and get them to do the repair (about £20). Pre 1990 Vostok military watches (i.e. komandirskie and amphibia) are very good, fun, reliable and historically interesting.
If you get a pre 1990 Amphibia it is unlikely that this will be an automatic, which is a good thing, more reliable !
one amphibia/vostok = one carton of marlboro in berlin in the 80's ... i have a few!
Всё хорошо, товарищ, это нормально, мы следим за тобой!))) На самом деле это очень круто, что люди начинают оценивать нас по-другому, я очень рад, что наши (made in ussr) часы пользуются популярностью, сам только что купил часы "Ракета", но там и ценник другой, к сожалению( Всего тебе хорошего, дорогой товарищ))
Take a look at 6МХ (this is written in cyrillic alphabet) and some Молния designs. The 6МХ specifically are a very interesting brand, focusing exclusively on producing watches for the icebreaker fleet.@@profiskipinternational4402
Vostok is originality and character, and that ring on the back cover is really ingenious .. It's the feeling that you're wearing something really unique with a strong character at an incredible price.
Hello, nicely said! 200% i agree with your thoughts! i have recently bought "Vostok - Amphibia" and it's a truly unique timepiece, with deep history and uniqueness!
I found a Komandirskie paratrooper model with marked rotating bezel and radioactive lume in 1993 in a Tbilisi bazar and wore it ocean swimming, free diving, sailing, climbing, etc. for a decade before learning it wasn't the dive model. Never leaked-- a fantastic, indestructible watch that still works.
Someone who likes Vostok straps? Now, that's a new one. Cheers, mate.
The aftermarket $12 mesh Vostok straps are as good as the stock straps are bad. But I’ve only seen them on the official factory store at Meranom.com
That's what I was thinking. Hey to each their own I dropped mine on a mesh bracelet with a clasp that I got on amazon. Great cheap and durable.
They’re not your favorite? Lol. Yeah, they’re pretty rough, but I like them because they’re top grain leather and durable. Too many leather straps these days are polypropylene-infused sponge leather. They look great but don’t last.
With a hobby knife for improving the finishing and a little bit of shoe polish, it'll be much better
@@hugoflores5806 I agree. It’s real leather so you can make it look really nice with a bit of elbow grease and some oil
I bought an identical "tank" Vostok when I was a student about 17 years ago. I've replaced the strap more than once, the chrome is half gone and it got run over but it still goes well and I will never part with it.
A truly soviet piece!
I own one since half a decade, it really is the AK-47 of watches. It likes to stop every now and then despite having sufficient tension on the main spring, you just give it a good smack and it comes right back to life.
hahaha you made me laugh
Mine does that too, they really are durable
@@alexwest2573 it sparked my passion for collecting old mechanic watches. Quartz doesnt have shit on these classic pieces of technology
@@weirdwurstLP yea mechanical watches are great, my collection started with a Waltham model 1883 from 1911
@@alexwest2573 aside from my vostok, I mostly collect german watches because I live in germany and thats what you usually score at flea markets and the likes. There are some really good german brands that are good lookouts for quality and design such as Glashütte or Ernst Wagner, a bit pricy though
"Time will always respect and support what is strong but will turn into dust which is weak" is the Anatole France quote, if you've ever wondered.
what I love is the watch dial. I am 80 and eyesight no longer young. So a bold simple watch dial is very good. Like the font they also used. The brand I had bought through the years was "Time" because they made easy readers. Now I have ordered this same watch and should be here by Monday. I like AK ttech. No mater how used it takes the abouse.
This is a fantastic damn review really. I'm glad I found this channel. I'm tired of another channel who I will not name talking crap about Vostok so when I see something like this it [warms the heart].
We all know who that is :D
@@HaraldSangvik Time teller pissed off that is favourite company has discontinued a watch and can’t get alignment right
This has to be the best and most comprehensive review of the Komandirskie, and Vostok in general. Recently discovered Vostok via some of the 'used' ones now selling on fleabay by enterprising Ukrainians, and immediately became a convert. Also appreciated all the 'trivia' you included along the way, both technical and historical, and yep, I "get" the Russian approach and overall sensibility, captured by that fittingly Darwinian motto you quote.... "Time will always respect and support that which is strong but turn to dust that which is weak." Molto Grazie!
Thanks for praising and promoting the Vostok watch in the way that you did.
Hopefully people are going to see this video and purchase a new Vostok watch,
thus keeping the legendary factory going for a few more decades to come.
As someone who has spent a while repairing and restoring vintage Vostok's, I could
argue about some of the histrionics and other details, but that would be nit picking
at a great promotional video.
Well Done, enjoy your Vostok for many years to come. 👍
I got mine from Meranom. It's incredible how enjoyable these watches are to wear, I have about 5 other watches 6 to 8 times more expensive and I still go to my Amphibia for my daily use.
that's why amphibia/komandirskie are AK47 of watches; rough but reliable and cheap :D .
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Im not a watch guy but I really like your videos.I'm now also considering buying one of these for my father.
Have exactly same watch. Purchased about 14 years ago and still going strong. Went swimming, diving used as daily beater. Didn't opened it once to clean and generally abused it. Amazing consider I paid 25$ including delivery from Russia!
This was a great combination of background and information on the watch. The history of the people who work in the vostok factory, and then the additional perspective on the slogans of the companies was outstanding. Really enjoyed this.
Signed, a new watch addict.
That’s that’s exactly what I’m going for. Thank you!
Best Komandirskie video I’ve seen. This model is available plain dial with no service logo and the one I own, now on a black/olive/black Nato.
I was just wondering what you meant by addictive, then I realised I own four already. oh dear it seems I have a problem.
Currently looking for my first Komanderskie watch after having recently bought an Amphibia “Scuba Dude” and now feel I have the bug. There are just so many interesting designs for the cases, bezels and dials 👍🏻
Same here
You have a nice voice, you speak well and your video was full of useful information. You know what you're talking about. Good video my man.
Time will always respect and support that which is strong, but turn to dust that which is weak.
Best slogan ever!
Just got mine in the mail yesterday. I love it. Bought a few more that have not come yet.
This channel got me into watches with your invicta video.
Fantastic! Glad to hear it.
Thanks for the info. I'm not a watch guy, never heard of the brand, but my friend who likes to collect watches gave me one of these yesterday. Since I knew nothing about them this video was greatly appreciated. I really like it. It's very pretty and definitely heavier than I was expecting it to be. I can't find my exact model online. He gave me the box it came in. Mine has a gold colored case and the outer numbers around the face are minutes, and a smaller inner circle in an orange brown color is the hours. So I don't know how old it is or what he paid for it. I don't have too many nicely crafted items like this in my life so it's a real treat. I will love it and cherish it for many years. Thanks again for all the info!
Hey man glad to see you back it's been a while I hope you're healthy and safe
Doing well, thanks!
I was looking into the Amphibia and came across your channel. Loved your review. Ordered my Amphibia straight from Russia. This watch has become my favorite watch. Wear it everyday. Komandierskie is in my future! Thanks for your channel!
Thanks for posting! I'm not a "watch guy" and don't really know much about watches in general, I usually wore a cheap Timex or whatever, but got out of the habit once we all started carrying mini computers masquerading as a telephone in our pockets. I started to lament the fact that relatively few men wear watches these days, so I decided to get back into the habit. I was looking for something a little outside the norm, with an interesting heritage that harkens back to an earlier time, but wouldn't cost too much.
This knife fits the bill perfectly for me. I love older technologies, (I still shave with a two sided safety razor, for example) so the fact that this requires daily winding is actually a plus in my book!
It's a great piece. Did u ever get one?
@@killja420style I did, but not knowing any better at the time, I broke the date function setting it late at night one too many times. Lesson learned
Look at Vostok Russian watches, History, tank of a watch, unique watches, & good $$$. or Chinese, Casio, Timex, so on. Amazon, I have a collection of budget watches (35). Three watches are 40+ yrs. It been fun !
I have the green paratrooper dial with the same bezel and on a nato strap. I love this watch and wear it very often and it was surprisingly accurate out the box. Not a perfect watch by any means, but you really enjoy the watch and the winding etc. And it is something different than just another watch you’ve seen a billion times before. Would recommend.
great video, thanks for uploading! I have five different Soviet watches and absolutely love them. i’m glad when some one knowledgeable like you talk them up, many don’t appreciate them (maybe that keeps the price down?) love your channel and keep the great uploads coming!
This is the best review of this watch that I have seen so far. Everyone should know what the slogan for this business. It’s pure genius, just like the watches themselves.
I was watching this wearing my own Komandirskie (with a submarine on it) and didn't know about the bezel. Mine rotates too! Mind blown
Me too, same one - with blue water. Interesting to understand about the bezel now - I had been wondering.
You can swap out the bezel with other styles if you have some.
@@andrewpearce2562 the bezel in Komandirskie and Amphibian are pure ingenious. Do not worry that you move easy in both direction. One time is set it can not move back. Simple, because you use two finger to set, with one pull, with the other push. If by accident you hit the bezel the impact is in one direction and do not move the bezel. Tray to move the bezel with one finger. That is it.
@@jcxme interesting point!
The great thing is that you can replace a bezel without compromising the watch. Also you can get Seiko bezels that will fit onto vintage Vostok watches. They look cool.
Just ordered mine! Great video, explaining the watch and its heritage! Thanks so much
Thank you for this review. It's by far the best, most complete and well-produced one on yt. I recently ordered my first Komandirskie from Ebay and was starting to get serious buyer's regret until I saw your video. I know it's a rough, all-terrain watch in which looks are not a priority, but it's far more pretty and slick piece on video than on reference pictures. Your footage and words about functionality have eased my worries surrounding this model/model family. I look forward to recieving it in the mail soon!
You're lucky for having this timepiece! I bought on May this same watch in Meranom website. Due to the effect of Covid-19 pandemic on world air transport, my beautiful watch got lost at some point between Russia and my country. And that was the last thing I knew about it...
@@thomasboyle1677 I bought it from the Meranom website in Russia. It cost me $32 and I didn't pay any shipping costs. Now its price is $40 and it is out of stock. Hopefully things will return to normal soon. As I said in another comment, I had to wait 8 months to receive the package due to the problems in the postal services caused by the pandemic.
@@thomasboyle1677 Yes, I received the watch in perfect condition. I had to wait those 8 months due to the pandemic, but even so, the Russian and Chilean mail systems proved that they work very well. During that waiting time, I e-mailed Meranom and they always responded within a few minutes, giving me information on the tracking of the package. I have no complaints about the company. I am very grateful to them.
So good to have you back! I thoroughly enjoy your videos!
Regulate it. I grew up in 60’s we had a habit of checking our watches once a day when winding. Usually good enough.
A true pleasure to watch to the very end and listen to as well. Great review. I love my Scuba Dude with the Pepsi Bezel. I guess I got lucky. This one is pretty darn accurate.
Great video. I ordered a komandirskie because I wanted to own an automatic watch and I wasn't quite certain of the quality. Thanks to your video I finally made the decision to get the watch. Haven't regretted the decision ever since
Nice! Glad to hear it. I also have a brass case one now that I'm really enjoying.
I have a few Komandirskies and amphibias and love them all. They are excellent value for money, and some are really good for modding, ie. changing the bezel or date wheel.
Great video. Like the range of information you gave. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks. Great video and fantastic review of the Komandirskie. Keep up the good work. And yes they, as well as the Amphibia, are very addictive. I myself own over 25 of these watches, both vintage and new.
Really enjoyed your review of this watch. I’ve owned quite a few. Some I took apart and studied on when I was learning how to service them myself and others I’ve modded and given/sold. I still currently have four Vostoks in my collection today. Out of the four I own, the modern military issued Vostok or the Ratnik (Warrior) 6e4-1 Army model is the one I use the most today. It was previously worn by a Russian soldier during the conflict in Syria. When I got it, you can definitely see the action it’s been through. Also the flaws that lead to the development of the 6e4-2, which I also own as the Navy model. It truly is a great watch, it may not be the Omega Seamasters I once owned, but it’s a watch I can rely on everyday and if it starts to get inaccurate, just have to regulate it and go on my way. A very simple, affordable, and reliable everyday watch to own.
Your Vostok amphibia video convinced me to get the scuba dude watch, and now after watching the tank Komandirsky watch, I got that as well in my collection. Kinda curious of what your Vostok watch collection looks like as even I got addicted to them now. I currently have the 120512, the Zissou, 420 case Orange scuba dude, and a blue submarine Komandirsky watch.
I really like your style of watch videos, you take your time to cover and the points are very interesting too. Crush your enemies!
I own an AK-47, and the comparison is perfect. I'm getting the Signal Commander version for Christmas and can't wait to wear it. My family thinks I'm strange for liking oddball watches, but understands that I'm a watch nerd. Great video, thanks for the information.
Bravo! Very nice review of legendary watch. My father was officer in soviet army and this watch was dream for all boys like me!)
Great job! Very thorough and detailed explanation of all the features!
I really enjoyed this video! Thank you for making it 😊
Great job! Thank you. The case back design is brilliant. Love it
Now in Russia this watch can be bought for less than $30. This is unbelievably cheap for an in-house mechanical watch!
Great video as usual. We love your channel. Thank you !
Thank YOU! Glad to hear it.
Great review with so much info on my fave watch ! Love Vostoks and thank you for sharing!!
Very nice review and explanation of how to adjust the time. Thank you!!
I don't know why but I am falling in love with these antique watches
Hey thanks so much for keeping this channel going! I really love these! Funny you mentioned the ak47. I’ve been wanting to tell about it for MY channel and by coincidence I also don’t have one but I have an SKS!
Very nice review. I am acquiring a few watches this year for my 60th. I have been smitten by the Steeldive range of watches and was going to get a few of those but I have decided to go for a Vostock, a Seagull 1963 and a Steeldive SD1962S (62MAS) as it is my birth year. I think this would be a much more rounded selection. I think they all are conversation starters and amazing value. Thank you so much for providing so much information.
Fantastic vid. Very informative and concise. Thank you!
After got the opportunity of buying things online, I wonder if I could purchase some Russian made products, for emotional reasons, as link to be aware of what I know of the turbulent history of Russia and the fact that never thought possible the USSR will fall in my lifetime as a witness of their choice to be part or the free world once again, sort of.
The most loved things to me that was made in the USSR were electronic calculators and transistor radios.
After I examined those I felt the simplicity, robustness and precision of those devices and as I discovered later that they made time pieces too. Very well made for the price you paid for my Vostok Komandirskie.
My Komandirskie is the best watch I ever had, because of all those things about Russia and is a very real, practical, unpretending piece of machinery that fill its purpose well.
Thank you for the history and technical details.
Fantastic, in-depth video! I just got my first Vostok, a classic Amphibia Neptune model, so it's great to see such enthusiam for this particular watchmaking tradition
Я рад, что вам нравятся наши часы)
I remember seeing a similar Soviet watch in the early 90s...I think it had a submarine on it and I cheaped out and didn't spend the 25 bucks at the junk shop on the pier in Seattle. Always regretted it.
I think I saw it on Ebay you might be able to get one
I just picked up original 1992 VOSTOK Commanders Flag Fighter pilot Mechanical Vintage USSR Serviced at local huge vintage garage sale and the watch works just like new. Really interesting history.
Thanks, excellent video. I saw your amphibia video and liked it so much I ordered my first Vostok, the identical watch on your video and love it. It’s so comfortable on the official Vostok mesh strap from Meranom. Hoping you do some more videos on various classic Vostok models!
BTW .... I read a little about the radio room dial history and it’s super interesting.... if you need any ideas
I had to get one these... I must confess they're probably my fave go-to watch for field work!
I like very much how you make your videos, man. I'm suscribed to a lot of watch channels, but the way they talk it's too "commercial", yours is more sincere and friendly.
i have a komandirskie that goes ~60 seconds slower overnight, which is pretty bad, but at the same time, it's kind of nice because all i need to do the next morning is move it forward one minute.
ofc, if i had the ability to fix it, i would
Thank you so much . Very informative and helpful .
Great information and putting this watch in proper historical context.
Very good video! Very informative. I was given one as a gift by my uncle when he came from Russia. Mechanical, I've used it daily and it runs fine. All original parts still as made back in the 80s. Now I've swam with it (when falling into a lake after a few too many) it's been bashed, whacked about, been rained on and submerged. Covered in mud then cleaned. Still winds and runs fine to this day. Am a big fan of it and whether it runs or not later, my son can have it and have our connection to the country and family too.
Good video thanks. I love my unique black dial, 200m WR, 24 hour Vostok Komandirskie, running about 10s fast daily start from the box.
Thanks for the great video, recently I bought one too and I just couldn’t figure out the winding part, to unscrew the crown, learning here. Anyway great video. Many thanks.
That's a very detailed and informative review. Thanks so much.
My OCD made me cringe, lol, when you put the case back cover on without cleaning off the hair particle stuck to the watch rubber o ring. Great video and it explains the watch very well, thank.
You weren’t supposed to see that! I noticed it later and you’ll be happy to know it’s gone.
@@WondersofWatchdom oh so glad to hear that! Thanks!
My Polish friend grew up in the bad old days. The Vostok was famous in the Warsaw Pact, gaining the appellation "Fastest Watch in USSR".
Great video as always. Thanks.
Nicely done review. I especially appreciate the tip on telling valid from fake copies. JT
Incredibly in-depth video!
Great informative review! Thank you!
your videos are so much better and more interesting that the big watch channels on here
Эти часы могут вызывать привыкание! Хорошо сказано. У меня часы Восток 75года, кстати я их не разу не носил на репоссаж и они ходят. Я даже представить не могу что с ними внутри. Но я их ношу с большим удовольствием!!!!
Great Review. Love these little watches brilliant !
As a UPS driver, I feel like this watch was made for me. Just ordered one!
Having a few komandirskies and amphibias, I would definately recommend paying extra to get an amphibia as it is usually much better objectively than the extra dollars charged.
What about the komandirskies in the amphibia cases? I have a K35 and it's pretty nice. Has an auto-winder, too. Less of a Komandirskie and more of a less-waterproofed Amphibia.
@@pcblah I only have experience from the soviet models. There i think the amphibia wears better and because of the 200m WR and auto winding you never have to take it off the wrist, and because of the st steel case it wont age as much.
@@bingoberra18 Yeah, the new K35 kommandirskies are in an amphibia stainless steel case and use an automatic movement. They're really nice.
I should now add that when I saw this video I was actually wearing a komandirskie tankist (the same dial as in the video) but mine is from the 80´s and its got a case with the crown at 2 o´clock and russian metal bracelet. And it hasn´t come off now for 5 days :p Since it is only 11mm thick it wears really flat and comfortable. Wearing a komandirskie as a daily would not be a problem at all, and with the prices of used komandirskies, why wouldnt you buy a few!
@@bingoberra18 My K-35 is nearly 15mm thick from the automatic works. The only thing holding me back from getting a manual-wind only Komandirskie is the plated brass case. Who knows, maybe I'll pick it up anyways.
Just bought one from the official factory in Russis and now I see this nice revieuw. Great revieuw it is.
I really enjoyed this review! Thank you!
Great review. Thank you for your effort.
I am an amateur watch collector. I collect what I like and what is affordable for me. I don't buy for investment. I currently have Armitron, Casio, Citizen, Timex. I hope to add Vostok this year. 👍 on your review.
I got a new brass one with a gold dial - I just love it. Hope you enjoy yours.
Very informative. Two thumbs up.
I enjoy the way your reviews are like an episode of Frontline or some sort of PBS doco
Superb historical watches!
AKs are plenty accurate when properly sighted in and somalis aren't firing them
To anybody doubting that the AK-47 platform is accurate BUT REALLY ACCURATE do yourself a favor & go to yt channel AK-4774 Operators Union.
Then tell me how many times the people make 600yd shots IN A ROW!
Absolutely. People who repeat myths about AK47 being inaccurate confuse the rifle quality with the cheap surplus ammo. Get good ammo, and it will surprise you. Vostok, on the other hand, is garbage.
@@mountainhobo damn dude, they still ok
@@mountainhobo sounds like someone smacked his vostok with a sledgehammer...
@@jessehebing9254 Nah, I actually owned Russian watches having grown in that diseased Eastern block. I will leave the fascination with it to kids.
Very good review of the Vostok watch. Have one ordered now and I feel I now have the knowledge to adjust the time keeping if it is off.
Fantastic review! Thank you! Great video!
I got mine on the first of Feb. I just love it. And thanks to you I now know the rest of the story.
Recently got into these and already own 4. Yes, im addicted
I got mine 211186 model of vostok a month ago. I pretty love it.
Thanks for a great video once more! I hope that more people find your channel. I should deserve many more viewers. Keep on the good work!
Very good review/info👍. I'm a vostok fan. Just got my first Vostok amphibia (scuba dude) new subscriber. Cool rifle 😎
Great review! Bought one with an EMERCOM dial on Amazon after watching.
I want to collect these base model Komandirskies like baseball cards. I have one on the way (my first), but may order a couple more before the first arrives. I'd also like one of their automatics, but at double the price they just aren't quite as "gotta catch 'em all" for me. There's just something about a mechanical watch for under $40 that makes me want to fill my case with them. :-)
Thank you for this video,I own three of these and have now regulated them as you demonstrated.....it worked I am very pleased with these interesting little watches and wear them a bit more, thanks
Nice! Glad you are getting some enjoyment out of them.