69 is that squid who can't hold a line, weaves all over the track then throws a tantrum because someone takes the line he vacated to pass him That little gas it to cut you off dirt sample was pathetic
For real, #10 was a prick for having to pass him next to a little kid and roosting him, for what? It's open practice, not a race. There's always a Johnny A class who thinks he's hot shit and has to show people, and I'm assuming electric bike riders will get a lot of this for no real reason, other than guys insecurities.... "other peoples kids" SMH
I could not agree more. There was flagger literally asleep laying in the dirt yesterday. It was so frustrating. Track manager came and walked over to him literally still asleep and sent him home. It is just ridiculous.
Agree they need to divide the small bikes from the large... thats how they do it in the North West where I did my younger riding... Every track down here is like that... little ones crashing.. no flaggers...
I like tracks being wide open fornopen practice days. It lets me ride whenever i want throughout the day. However, letting 5 year olds on the track with pros is dangerous and they probably shouldnt let little kids on the track during that time. Maybe do 40 minutes of big bike, 20 minutes of little bike every hour would be a compromise.
@@bwhaskell But when you do like Barona and have 20min of As, Bs, then Minis, they always throw the flag when you get going, the As get the extra long sessions since friends with the track workers, and you are sitting the pits waiting for this Minis to get the hell out of the way. Cahuilla needs to flag minis to the vet track
I keep watching your Varg videos. I'm now obsessed with the Stark Varg. But, probably will never be able to afford it. But for now, watching the videos are still a treat! Great content.
B. you need a horn. get a train horn, ride up on them silently and then make them soil themselves. first varg in the country couldn't have gone to a better man, love the vids. how does the alta stack up to the varg now that you're getting used to it? inquiring minds want to know.
You have skill I can only dream of, fabulous rider to watch. I suck at dirt biking. But I ain't blind. #69 passed you the exact same way, in the exact same spot you did on him. Except you had way more grace and didn't dump it, and perhaps he didn't like e-bikes. But it really doesn't negate that your pass was identical. You squirted by on the inside and cut his front wheel going into the corner crossing to the outside leaving him with no real estate. For someone being so vocal about riders crossing paths on the track, you sure put out long videos that can be critiqued and you cross many lanes in your motos. Albeit safer because you are typically ahead of the pack and earned that lead, but if they can't hear you... then they too think they are leading in that moment. Amateurs are just that; amateurs. That's likely a large portion of your audience. You have acted like this in other videos too when kids get squirrely. AM's are gonna be squirrely, but they keep the industry running too, they keep tracks open. And be polite, you have an audience. That guy offering help, he's just a perfect stranger checking on you. The least you can do is say thanks, he may even be a subscriber. I can only imagine the frustration of having to ride alongside crap riders like myself, but you have all the skill, self awareness, and experience to read the track and riders compared to the avg. weekend warrior. This should help you avoid confrontations. Pick your spots better and you won't have to have runs-ins with aggressive am's. #69 was living his best life and you stuffed him. Then his ego got in the way. But don't let yours get in the way. Anyway, keep up the great riding and building your brand, but please don't forget, most of us dream to have your skill level but have no other place to ride. You were a grom or a squid at one point too. And crap riders like me will never improve much, but we still love the sport will be present everywhere you go.
The App overlay is very interesting. You mentioned at 35:24 (around 29 min riding time) that the power faded a little bit but you still jumped the triple at that moment. The next round at 37:24 and 31min riding time you didn‘t jump it. So it will not be possible to count on the 20 percent mark to be sure the power is always on max output ? Was the moment you jumped it sketchy ?
Ok. so right at the very end as Bryan pulls off the track, there's a dude with nervous novice green plates, in shorts and no helmet who looks like he's about to get on the track, and I'm torn between "noooo!" and "OMG turn your head around. I have to see this!"
Did you ever explain how the registration process went with your new Stark Varg? I know you ordered it online, then it was shipped from Spain to your California home address, correct? What happens after that? Like, are there any stickers or paperwork that you could show to prove your bike is "legal?" Like if you went trail riding within a state OHVRA? I know when I used to go with my ICE bikes, they would look for a sticker... for example, as you probably know, California has had a Green/Red sticker policy. Thanks for the video and all of the information your have provided (and hopefully will provide more). 👍 PS: BTW, that overlay feature is really cool... how did you do that?! PPS: It didn't go unnoticed to me that you can use their phone app while wearing riding gloves, which is VERY cool/handy (pun intended) 😂
registration off a motorcrossbike ??+ that would be the saem as trying to register a mountainbike - atleast to me. Its a non registreable (spelling) vehicle. he paid a possible customsfee, thats about it i belive
@@TeamDriftEVO I understand what you are thinking, but many off road vehicles parks require a dirt bike to be registered. Now, not registered for highway/road use, but for off-road use. I'm talking about state owned and/or run off highway vehicle parks.
@@jedielder7970 Yeah - But ATM the Stark is not eliglbe (spelling againg) for any kind of registration - as per STARKS own words. just like the Kawasaki H2R - NOT possible to register at all, as per Kawasaki Japan own words, yet people still claim they made a legal registration on some of these bikes.
@@TeamDriftEVO AFAIK some nations (France being one) allow anyone to obtain an approval for a particular bike (an instance, not the model), enabling it to be registered and therefore used on public roads. This imply various modifications (tuning the engine down, adding an headlight...), and some mechanical shops specialize in such transformations.
Very good test Bryan, Personnaly i was ready to buy a used Alta when the Varg came out, so i was very happy with the big claims. I will probably keep my order with stark but i am a little disappointed. You know the bike was supposed to be 242 lbs, and with the 6kw battery was supposed to do a 35 minutes moto on an mxgp track with a rider like tortelli. The bikes were also supposed to be deliver a long time ago (but for that one, i can understand the reasons of delay even if i ordered mine december 14 2021 and will receive it September 2023) You just did a 34 minutes moto on an easier track than Mxgp, with the 6.5 kw battery, and i guess you don't ride harder than Seb. My guess is that the heavier riders will have less range, and the 18 lbs added are removing the 0.5 kw benefits. I also personally don't care loosing the 100$ deposit, but they had to allowed the people who changed there mind, because they haven't respected the delays and the bikes descriptions. It's like ordering a tesla cybertruck and receiving at the end a tesla 3.
Valid points, but don't you think they will be able to figure out a longer lasting battery pack in the next 6-18 months? Yes you might be heavier but are you an A rider like this guy? I am also bummed on the weight, but excited to see the trail riding videos, and range in that setting. I'd love to see Corral Canyon type trails, and then take it to Ocotillo Wells and hit some open desert, tight washes etc and see the battery life.
@ChupacabraOffroad hi, as i said, i think I'll keep my order, and i knew that some had just 20 minutes on the Alta. Not question of A rider, but more that i usually ride around an hour and an hour and half on a motocross track, and was hoping that it could work all day without charging. I don't want to bring a generator, and not all the track will have the option to charge. I also love the power of my yz450f so don't think that I'll like decreasing the power, even if i know that 50 hp on ebike is strong. For the battery, even if they get better in 2 years, that would mean a battery swap and i think in a video someone said around 5000 € for a new battery.
@@mxriderdakar well, maybe you should detune the Varg, so it's not 450 like, so you can ride longer, you pretty much have to be an A rider to be able to flog a 450 anyway. I think thats the coolest feature of the Varg. Buy yes, my son had an E KTM and bringing the Genny was a pain in the ass, and we got to a point that we had to wait to ride, so I sold and got him a 2 stroke. I think anyone owning a Varg needs to plan on taking a Genny to the track...
@ChupacabraOffroad yeah, i am sure I'll like it, and if not, i should be able to get a good price anyway because the price of the Alpha version is now higher. And 50hp may be enough, but without knowing it, i was expecting finding my happiness probably around 52 to 55hp. Will see.
I‘m pretty sure you won’t recognize a little more weight than a 450, because the inertia of this bike is completely different. There are almost no moving parts except wheels and suspension. It is a different dirtbike. You cannot compare it 1on1 to combustion dirt bikes.
That SOC need som tuning. What we see is not battery increasing when on power but the delay. So the lower numbers are measured a couple seconds before we see it. What we need is a function that take throttle position into account and a lo pass filter. Tuned right it should give a steady % with no regards to how much throttle you apply,
5.31.23 Great video. Any racing coming up? Good podcast with Steve Matthes fly racing. I am guessing from the podcast Stark has not shipped any more bikes? Good internet sniffing to find the Stark order entry. Yes liked the app overlay. Good that you have the pit crew with you. I have a similar kind of dog. Black lab, blue healer mix. I rescued him from jail. Currently 15+ years old. On practice riding days riders are all over the place. When are you going to mount the hand brake for the rear? That person riding the #69 bike is going to come find you in the pits and thump you. When are you going to put numbers on the bike?
@@NirHason great, bcz I normally run a 250 2T and don’t like engine break at all. But think this bike will be great when it gets more custom maps to chose from. Specially so I’ll don’t get to much bottom power, think that’s the issue with my Alta that it has to much bottom power
I'd say your pass on #69 was completely legit. I'd say you scared him as you can't hear your bike compared to a gas powered bike. He still had no right to try and hold you up. Funny thing is as I was watching your Vid my wife picked up on the noise and said it sounded like baby pigs squealing . I listened and she's right. Lol. Thanks for the vid and can't wait to see you in an actual race.
he's not going to be passing many riders in a race. the alta and the varg have a massive advantage on the holeshot. the one alta vid I watched, he easily took the holeshot. eventually an expert got by him and pulled away on a thumper. when/if Vargs become more common, it's going to completely change the game. no shift. no clutch. no worries about braking with your foot. complete control over engine braking. and no power band. once they sort the battery life, there's no contest. also, 80hp without a power band vs. 450s with a max 65hp and a power band (nothing as bad as 2-strokes but still...). gonna be wild.
@williamcrotts7054 Obviously doesn't sound great but No fun? Looks😮 amazing fun tbh. People don't like change.. and I get that but with stupid noise regs closing a lot of tracks this type of bike could potentially save the sport... and even if just for that reason, we all should be looking at it more positively and welcoming it.
@bwhaskell i asked Stark why they haven’t put a sensor for the fan and there is there answer: Thank you for contacting Stark. The fan will turn on once the temperature of the powertrain reaches 45ºC. Below that temperature it should not turn on, if so please contact us. Please let us know if there’s anything else we can assist you with. Maybe you should tell them that yours stays on. You may have more range then.
Early 2000's, raced a local Texas series during a torrential/flooding rain storm. Flooded the track and the rain never stopped. The river nearby overflowed and came rushing across a section of the track up to the footpegs. Under my helmet I was thinking how crazy this was to be in a actual race with the conditions as they were. Just had to ride or not finish. Then at another track, during a similar series, different year it rained, snowed, and sleeted while we were racing. Before the races started, no snow. A few hour before and during the day, white ground and frozen googles.
That is actually very intresting, if one were to gear down (lower top speed) it would increase the range alot since you will pull less amps and would be able to have the same torque on a lower power level!
Nice riding, hope to get ours later this year. You mention a power drop at about 20% is this in al mappings? Maybe if you set it on lower power you don’t notice this? Or maybe at 15 or 10% battery?
I haven't tested that, but it's likely just a reduction in max absolute potential output irregardless of map. Guessing if you were in a 40hp map, you probably wouldn't notice the power drop as soon as i do running in 60-65hp map, for example.
That means battery will not last one Super Motocross moto (30+ 3 laps) 😢 they will probably ride with 80hp and power fade away on the last few minutes.
@@nossramo81 I'm not certain but I don't think you could run an 80hp map in the 450 class...unless it's actually an open class? the peak hp of 45s in in the 60-65hp range. I imagine AMA or FIM would cap electric bikes via HP caps (since there's no displacement). interesting dilemma/issue. this bike definitely requires a new set of rules.
I race hare scrambles on a 300 2t with stock silencer. Im usually short shifting and using bottom end power around the track. You would'nt hear me coming up on you either..not everyone rides 4 strokes with loud ass pipes..ride at your skill level and let the person behond you make his pass safely.
Need a different mapping or just don't wanna send the jump at 31:07 ? Looks like a fun step up. And that moron who tried running you high and taking himself out is ego trippin, #1 rule if your guna take someone out is dont take yourself out 😂 And #10 seemed fast but passed you pretty aggressively for an average track day. He has a motor, at least he can just rev it and you'll be able to hear it and move over safely. Also bless you and riders like you for looking out for the kids!🙏🏽
The app is alright, there's just about a 4 seconds delay in this video (not synced). It fluctuates like that because that's how showing voltage of lithium-ion cells work, you get voltage drop during load (more power output, more drop) and then it recovers slowly. You'll get used to reading it during no load! Also, yes, your power will get lower the lower your state of charge is because the power is a function of voltage * amperage, and the amperage is fixed by the power level, and the voltage gets lower when the state of charge is lower. Hope that clears some things up, awesome riding my man!
Always thought the bike needs a horn of some type …….. I believe stark missed this its clearly very obvious of the potential danger …… shouldn’t be that difficult to add , a wise man will live to ride another day .
The battery percentage fluctuation almost looks like it is trying to predict what your battery will be after a period of time or after a lap. It doesn't make sense that is fluctuates that much to indicate current battery charge.
Dude had 69 as his number, and his attitude was so on the nose. Lol great video Bryan! Loving these a lot! Can't wait until MX Bikes (pc game) gets the Stark, I've already made my graphics kit for it! 🦾😆
UPDATE: OK, I wrote the below comment BEFORE viewing the entire video, specifically at the 3/4 mark where rider 69 is pissed at you. You muted what he said because he was using profanity, but what was he trying to say to you? I doubt this will be the first time something like this happens (unfortunately). Again, what can be done to mitigate this, because I really don't think the yelling is the ultimate solution. Yes, having flaggers on the track, waving the blue, could help, but this is practice, not a race and I doubt most tracks will have adequate staff. Another thought... I've noticed, as many of your viewers have (and mentioned) that people just don't know you are behind them, for the most part. It seems like this could potentially be dangerous. I see that you "yell" at them, and sometimes they look back. I wonder if this is a good strategy? Sooner or later, a dude might get upset at you and be waiting by your truck after a moto, potentially leading to a bad situation (I hope that never happens). Has Stark or anyone else come up with some ideas for adding a "passing sound." I believe a horn would probably be annoying as well. Anyway, I can see this situation getting worse, like in an actual race. BTW, thanks for the putting in some 3rd person footage. When are you going to race your new bike?
TOP la télémétrie , ( visible pour nous , batterie en haut et puissance utilisé en bas ) Bryan si tu peux nous ( écrire ici ) les puissances que tu utilises pour chaque sortie moto : 50ch , 60 ch , 70ch , 80ch ? Je suis français , je ne comprends pas la langue américaine . désoler Merci . Pilote n° 69 ( un crétin ) 🥶🤮
i have no doubt that the varg can handle a supercross setting but i think stark's got some work to do to get the varg through a 30 min + 2 laps outdoor moto, especially on the mid-west and southeast tracks where a typical track day is over 100 degrees with 100% humidity ...........
69 is that squid who can't hold a line, weaves all over the track then throws a tantrum because someone takes the line he vacated to pass him
That little gas it to cut you off dirt sample was pathetic
For real, #10 was a prick for having to pass him next to a little kid and roosting him, for what? It's open practice, not a race.
There's always a Johnny A class who thinks he's hot shit and has to show people, and I'm assuming electric bike riders will get a lot of this for no real reason, other than guys insecurities.... "other peoples kids" SMH
Loving these Varg video's! You should get a bicycle bell on your bike, that would be hilarious 😂
Thanks for doing this brother... I hate the lack of flaggers on the SoCal tracks is frustrating.
I could not agree more. There was flagger literally asleep laying in the dirt yesterday. It was so frustrating. Track manager came and walked over to him literally still asleep and sent him home. It is just ridiculous.
My son would flag all day for free practice .
You *really* should mount a horn on that thing :-) I know, probably not very MX style but hey, push the envelope!
What are your lap times compared to the Alta and compared to a 450?
I love the App Overlay. It reminds me of my Contour GPS camera from a few years back. It was always nice to be able to see data from a ride.
Number 69... says it all.
Its official, Dubach is a god, as evidenced by him disappearing into the clouds!
I think #69 must be one of those guys on vitalmx.... lmao
Let’s see a moto in 80hp mode! And, it’s time to install that left hand rear brake.
Dude you rip!! I hope Stark makes a trail version of the Varg, i'd love to get myself one if so.
They do, I ordered mine with the left-hand rear brake, 18” rear tire and the kickstand.
I think he means more like enduro.
@@Z0ttMonte that would be the model with 18" rear wheel that Airdrop37th described, or?
@@SaiTorrKalFas u know the difference between a motocross and an enduro? It seems like u don't.
@@Z0ttMonte enlighten me, my master!
Agree they need to divide the small bikes from the large... thats how they do it in the North West where I did my younger riding... Every track down here is like that... little ones crashing.. no flaggers...
I like tracks being wide open fornopen practice days. It lets me ride whenever i want throughout the day. However, letting 5 year olds on the track with pros is dangerous and they probably shouldnt let little kids on the track during that time. Maybe do 40 minutes of big bike, 20 minutes of little bike every hour would be a compromise.
@@bwhaskell -agree...
Yeah, every track I've been to in Florida time boxes the littles, A riders and C riders. Usually 15-20 minutes per group on a given track.
@@bwhaskell But when you do like Barona and have 20min of As, Bs, then Minis, they always throw the flag when you get going, the As get the extra long sessions since friends with the track workers, and you are sitting the pits waiting for this Minis to get the hell out of the way. Cahuilla needs to flag minis to the vet track
@@brandonbloomquist3267 - agree with this.
I like the overlay, Nice Whips. In the overlay the top green area should be speed not %charge same with the graphs they should be flipped.
I like it, it adds another piece to the evolution clock of bikes. Be interesting to see it in a race moto.🖖
The percentage jumps around a lot because the elections are sloshing around in the tank!
I keep watching your Varg videos. I'm now obsessed with the Stark Varg. But, probably will never be able to afford it. But for now, watching the videos are still a treat! Great content.
need to put a horn on that thing and make it like the tesla so it can play different noises like farts and stuff
#69 needs a bud light
I'm guessing his buddy is #420 as well.... 🤣
B. you need a horn. get a train horn, ride up on them silently and then make them soil themselves. first varg in the country couldn't have gone to a better man, love the vids. how does the alta stack up to the varg now that you're getting used to it? inquiring minds want to know.
Bryan,
The question still remains is could the pros do a 30min moto without killing the battery, be it supercross or outdoor mx? Your thoughts?
Def needs a horn… Dang battery wen farther than I thought and you put in a long ride! Killin it
You have skill I can only dream of, fabulous rider to watch. I suck at dirt biking. But I ain't blind. #69 passed you the exact same way, in the exact same spot you did on him. Except you had way more grace and didn't dump it, and perhaps he didn't like e-bikes. But it really doesn't negate that your pass was identical. You squirted by on the inside and cut his front wheel going into the corner crossing to the outside leaving him with no real estate. For someone being so vocal about riders crossing paths on the track, you sure put out long videos that can be critiqued and you cross many lanes in your motos. Albeit safer because you are typically ahead of the pack and earned that lead, but if they can't hear you... then they too think they are leading in that moment. Amateurs are just that; amateurs. That's likely a large portion of your audience. You have acted like this in other videos too when kids get squirrely. AM's are gonna be squirrely, but they keep the industry running too, they keep tracks open. And be polite, you have an audience. That guy offering help, he's just a perfect stranger checking on you. The least you can do is say thanks, he may even be a subscriber. I can only imagine the frustration of having to ride alongside crap riders like myself, but you have all the skill, self awareness, and experience to read the track and riders compared to the avg. weekend warrior. This should help you avoid confrontations. Pick your spots better and you won't have to have runs-ins with aggressive am's. #69 was living his best life and you stuffed him. Then his ego got in the way. But don't let yours get in the way. Anyway, keep up the great riding and building your brand, but please don't forget, most of us dream to have your skill level but have no other place to ride. You were a grom or a squid at one point too. And crap riders like me will never improve much, but we still love the sport will be present everywhere you go.
The App overlay is very interesting. You mentioned at 35:24 (around 29 min riding time) that the power faded a little bit but you still jumped the triple at that moment. The next round at 37:24 and 31min riding time you didn‘t jump it.
So it will not be possible to count on the 20 percent mark to be sure the power is always on max output ?
Was the moment you jumped it sketchy ?
the varg needs a horn lol...has there been any honest discussion on this?
Love the videos. Q: Why aren't you using the whole 80hp?
I melted when you stopped to help the lil guy, thank you and God bless, love the bike, wish I could afford one...
Ok. so right at the very end as Bryan pulls off the track, there's a dude with nervous novice green plates, in shorts and no helmet who looks like he's about to get on the track, and I'm torn between "noooo!" and "OMG turn your head around. I have to see this!"
Did you ever explain how the registration process went with your new Stark Varg? I know you ordered it online, then it was shipped from Spain to your California home address, correct? What happens after that? Like, are there any stickers or paperwork that you could show to prove your bike is "legal?" Like if you went trail riding within a state OHVRA? I know when I used to go with my ICE bikes, they would look for a sticker... for example, as you probably know, California has had a Green/Red sticker policy. Thanks for the video and all of the information your have provided (and hopefully will provide more). 👍
PS: BTW, that overlay feature is really cool... how did you do that?!
PPS: It didn't go unnoticed to me that you can use their phone app while wearing riding gloves, which is VERY cool/handy (pun intended) 😂
registration off a motorcrossbike ??+ that would be the saem as trying to register a mountainbike - atleast to me. Its a non registreable (spelling) vehicle. he paid a possible customsfee, thats about it i belive
@@TeamDriftEVO I understand what you are thinking, but many off road vehicles parks require a dirt bike to be registered. Now, not registered for highway/road use, but for off-road use. I'm talking about state owned and/or run off highway vehicle parks.
@@jedielder7970 Yeah - But ATM the Stark is not eliglbe (spelling againg) for any kind of registration - as per STARKS own words. just like the Kawasaki H2R - NOT possible to register at all, as per Kawasaki Japan own words, yet people still claim they made a legal registration on some of these bikes.
@@TeamDriftEVO AFAIK some nations (France being one) allow anyone to obtain an approval for a particular bike (an instance, not the model), enabling it to be registered and therefore used on public roads. This imply various modifications (tuning the engine down, adding an headlight...), and some mechanical shops specialize in such transformations.
@@natmaka would need an CE-document from the manufacturer. And STARK will not provid that ATM.:-( EU regulation will stop this right now
#69 is a total spode.
Very good test Bryan,
Personnaly i was ready to buy a used Alta when the Varg came out, so i was very happy with the big claims.
I will probably keep my order with stark but i am a little disappointed. You know the bike was supposed to be 242 lbs, and with the 6kw battery was supposed to do a 35 minutes moto on an mxgp track with a rider like tortelli. The bikes were also supposed to be deliver a long time ago (but for that one, i can understand the reasons of delay even if i ordered mine december 14 2021 and will receive it September 2023)
You just did a 34 minutes moto on an easier track than Mxgp, with the 6.5 kw battery, and i guess you don't ride harder than Seb.
My guess is that the heavier riders will have less range, and the 18 lbs added are removing the 0.5 kw benefits.
I also personally don't care loosing the 100$ deposit, but they had to allowed the people who changed there mind, because they haven't respected the delays and the bikes descriptions.
It's like ordering a tesla cybertruck and receiving at the end a tesla 3.
Valid points, but don't you think they will be able to figure out a longer lasting battery pack in the next 6-18 months? Yes you might be heavier but are you an A rider like this guy? I am also bummed on the weight, but excited to see the trail riding videos, and range in that setting.
I'd love to see Corral Canyon type trails, and then take it to Ocotillo Wells and hit some open desert, tight washes etc and see the battery life.
@ChupacabraOffroad hi, as i said, i think I'll keep my order, and i knew that some had just 20 minutes on the Alta.
Not question of A rider, but more that i usually ride around an hour and an hour and half on a motocross track, and was hoping that it could work all day without charging. I don't want to bring a generator, and not all the track will have the option to charge.
I also love the power of my yz450f so don't think that I'll like decreasing the power, even if i know that 50 hp on ebike is strong.
For the battery, even if they get better in 2 years, that would mean a battery swap and i think in a video someone said around 5000 € for a new battery.
@@mxriderdakar well, maybe you should detune the Varg, so it's not 450 like, so you can ride longer, you pretty much have to be an A rider to be able to flog a 450 anyway. I think thats the coolest feature of the Varg.
Buy yes, my son had an E KTM and bringing the Genny was a pain in the ass, and we got to a point that we had to wait to ride, so I sold and got him a 2 stroke. I think anyone owning a Varg needs to plan on taking a Genny to the track...
@ChupacabraOffroad yeah, i am sure I'll like it, and if not, i should be able to get a good price anyway because the price of the Alpha version is now higher.
And 50hp may be enough, but without knowing it, i was expecting finding my happiness probably around 52 to 55hp. Will see.
I‘m pretty sure you won’t recognize a little more weight than a 450, because the inertia of this bike is completely different. There are almost no moving parts except wheels and suspension. It is a different dirtbike. You cannot compare it 1on1 to combustion dirt bikes.
Would love to see how long this bike will last in the woods with moderate riding
No worries just bring an extension cord...!
Boy these are going to cause some big accidents. I'm all for electric, but damn. No noise is a problem.
Is the range so far, similar to Stark's claims?
That SOC need som tuning. What we see is not battery increasing when on power but the delay. So the lower numbers are measured a couple seconds before we see it.
What we need is a function that take throttle position into account and a lo pass filter. Tuned right it should give a steady % with no regards to how much throttle you apply,
Very nice of you to help the little one 🏅🥳
Do you think all Varg-orders will follow thru and be delivered to every customer who are waiting?
There was a guy that rode a Alta locally who had a beep beep horn. Worked great
5.31.23 Great video. Any racing coming up? Good podcast with Steve Matthes fly racing. I am guessing from the podcast Stark has not shipped any more bikes? Good internet sniffing to find the Stark order entry. Yes liked the app overlay. Good that you have the pit crew with you. I have a similar kind of dog. Black lab, blue healer mix. I rescued him from jail. Currently 15+ years old. On practice riding days riders are all over the place. When are you going to mount the hand brake for the rear? That person riding the #69 bike is going to come find you in the pits and thump you. When are you going to put numbers on the bike?
Nice riding the second of 2 large jumps where Doug D. went by you that looks huge must be 70 ft or more not yet yah 🤘
this never compare to a full gas tank... but i like the bike, nice video!
Yep... it is different niche with its own advantages/disadvantages. IMO they have fundamentally done a pretty great job.
Does the bike regenerate more battery level if you use more engine break? Or is that irrelevant?
He mentioned on previous videos that it's barely helps
@@NirHason great, bcz I normally run a 250 2T and don’t like engine break at all. But think this bike will be great when it gets more custom maps to chose from. Specially so I’ll don’t get to much bottom power, think that’s the issue with my Alta that it has to much bottom power
Dude I appreciate that you stopped for the little guy down.
I looked up to older riders as a kid. Just paying it back now as an older rider. 👍
Bike is Beautiful & looks Fast :), you should fit a Horn though as Shouting isnt going to go down well long term...
I had the same idea, it needs a horn to let people know you are behind them.
a Horn is far better & safer than shouting...
Almost need a bell till the other riders get used to the idea just because they don’t hear you doesn’t mean you aren’t there.
I'd say your pass on #69 was completely legit. I'd say you scared him as you can't hear your bike compared to a gas powered bike. He still had no right to try and hold you up. Funny thing is as I was watching your Vid my wife picked up on the noise and said it sounded like baby pigs squealing . I listened and she's right. Lol. Thanks for the vid and can't wait to see you in an actual race.
Lol
he's not going to be passing many riders in a race. the alta and the varg have a massive advantage on the holeshot. the one alta vid I watched, he easily took the holeshot. eventually an expert got by him and pulled away on a thumper. when/if Vargs become more common, it's going to completely change the game. no shift. no clutch. no worries about braking with your foot. complete control over engine braking. and no power band. once they sort the battery life, there's no contest. also, 80hp without a power band vs. 450s with a max 65hp and a power band (nothing as bad as 2-strokes but still...). gonna be wild.
@@daneg you left out , no fun and the fact that it sounds like a pig being castrated.
@@williamcrotts7054 get used to it. it's the future.
@williamcrotts7054 Obviously doesn't sound great but No fun? Looks😮 amazing fun tbh.
People don't like change.. and I get that but with stupid noise regs closing a lot of tracks this type of bike could potentially save the sport... and even if just for that reason, we all should be looking at it more positively and welcoming it.
I finally figured out what sound these bikes have... Husquvarna... sewing machines.
@bwhaskell i asked Stark why they haven’t put a sensor for the fan and there is there answer:
Thank you for contacting Stark.
The fan will turn on once the temperature of the powertrain reaches 45ºC. Below that temperature it should not turn on, if so please contact us.
Please let us know if there’s anything else we can assist you with.
Maybe you should tell them that yours stays on. You may have more range then.
The battery will not be enough for prorider at Gp heats
Electric bike on a motocross track is obviously dangerous,I see you getting cross jumped on that thing.
Stay safe out there
you can try the stark varg recuperates when driving downhill for a long time please;-)
can you change percentage to Wh? this would be a much better reference since percentage is quite literally relative
Cool footage again, with the overlay adding a great element to watch on top.
Whats with the SOC all over? Are they using voltage to get state of charge. Seems a bit weird
They should do the battery % based on milliamps consumed, not voltage
hey man you should get a horn for the bike. weird i know but its better than getting taken out / taking someone else out
Can you do a video explaining the advantages and disadvantages of the different engine braking options?
Auto like for checking on a downed rider regardless of age. 🏆👍
When will you try the hand rear brake?
well done taking care of tyhat kid - no need to comment on the rest really
What's the white bike called and how does it compare
You need to put a bell or a horn on that thing instead of yelling
Weird how mph is read off rear wheel so it's all over the place
Get rid of the noise and I might consider buying one
Is it me or do the combustion engine bikes already seem to be old compared to this? Great video and information.
It's you.
Lol#69 is a goon. He clearly saw you around 9:15
Early 2000's, raced a local Texas series during a torrential/flooding rain storm. Flooded the track and the rain never stopped. The river nearby overflowed and came rushing across a section of the track up to the footpegs. Under my helmet I was thinking how crazy this was to be in a actual race with the conditions as they were. Just had to ride or not finish. Then at another track, during a similar series, different year it rained, snowed, and sleeted while we were racing. Before the races started, no snow. A few hour before and during the day, white ground and frozen googles.
do you have any idea about the top speed on this bike? I know it doesn't matter but still just fun to know
Top speed depends on gearing. I think its currently geared for about 75mph dont quote me on that.
That is actually very intresting, if one were to gear down (lower top speed) it would increase the range alot since you will pull less amps and would be able to have the same torque on a lower power level!
Nice riding, hope to get ours later this year. You mention a power drop at about 20% is this in al mappings? Maybe if you set it on lower power you don’t notice this? Or maybe at 15 or 10% battery?
I haven't tested that, but it's likely just a reduction in max absolute potential output irregardless of map. Guessing if you were in a 40hp map, you probably wouldn't notice the power drop as soon as i do running in 60-65hp map, for example.
That means battery will not last one Super Motocross moto (30+ 3 laps) 😢 they will probably ride with 80hp and power fade away on the last few minutes.
@@nossramo81 I'm not certain but I don't think you could run an 80hp map in the 450 class...unless it's actually an open class? the peak hp of 45s in in the 60-65hp range. I imagine AMA or FIM would cap electric bikes via HP caps (since there's no displacement). interesting dilemma/issue. this bike definitely requires a new set of rules.
Give the kid some knee pads....
good man for helping him
I race hare scrambles on a 300 2t with stock silencer. Im usually short shifting and using bottom end power around the track. You would'nt hear me coming up on you either..not everyone rides 4 strokes with loud ass pipes..ride at your skill level and let the person behond you make his pass safely.
Need a different mapping or just don't wanna send the jump at 31:07 ? Looks like a fun step up. And that moron who tried running you high and taking himself out is ego trippin, #1 rule if your guna take someone out is dont take yourself out 😂 And #10 seemed fast but passed you pretty aggressively for an average track day. He has a motor, at least he can just rev it and you'll be able to hear it and move over safely. Also bless you and riders like you for looking out for the kids!🙏🏽
Cool video. Not sure why you feel the need to yell at everybody that you come up on or is slower. Just go around and keep it moving. 🤷🏻♂️
The app is alright, there's just about a 4 seconds delay in this video (not synced). It fluctuates like that because that's how showing voltage of lithium-ion cells work, you get voltage drop during load (more power output, more drop) and then it recovers slowly. You'll get used to reading it during no load!
Also, yes, your power will get lower the lower your state of charge is because the power is a function of voltage * amperage, and the amperage is fixed by the power level, and the voltage gets lower when the state of charge is lower.
Hope that clears some things up, awesome riding my man!
Always thought the bike needs a horn of some type …….. I believe stark missed this its clearly very obvious of the potential danger …… shouldn’t be that difficult to add , a wise man will live to ride another day .
I like the overlay, very cool to see. When's the trail riding video coming?
Yea, with creek crossings!
How does it compare to a 450 riding at the end of the day, when track has dried out, braking bumps, hard pack? Less tiring? More?
The battery percentage fluctuation almost looks like it is trying to predict what your battery will be after a period of time or after a lap. It doesn't make sense that is fluctuates that much to indicate current battery charge.
Dude had 69 as his number, and his attitude was so on the nose. Lol great video Bryan! Loving these a lot! Can't wait until MX Bikes (pc game) gets the Stark, I've already made my graphics kit for it! 🦾😆
UPDATE: OK, I wrote the below comment BEFORE viewing the entire video, specifically at the 3/4 mark where rider 69 is pissed at you. You muted what he said because he was using profanity, but what was he trying to say to you? I doubt this will be the first time something like this happens (unfortunately). Again, what can be done to mitigate this, because I really don't think the yelling is the ultimate solution. Yes, having flaggers on the track, waving the blue, could help, but this is practice, not a race and I doubt most tracks will have adequate staff.
Another thought... I've noticed, as many of your viewers have (and mentioned) that people just don't know you are behind them, for the most part. It seems like this could potentially be dangerous. I see that you "yell" at them, and sometimes they look back. I wonder if this is a good strategy? Sooner or later, a dude might get upset at you and be waiting by your truck after a moto, potentially leading to a bad situation (I hope that never happens). Has Stark or anyone else come up with some ideas for adding a "passing sound." I believe a horn would probably be annoying as well. Anyway, I can see this situation getting worse, like in an actual race. BTW, thanks for the putting in some 3rd person footage. When are you going to race your new bike?
Overlay stays! Play with the placement. Thanks for the content !
Thank you for making these videos.Means more than you could ever know...
Entitles much?
TOP la télémétrie , ( visible pour nous , batterie en haut et puissance utilisé en bas )
Bryan si tu peux nous ( écrire ici ) les puissances que tu utilises pour chaque sortie moto : 50ch , 60 ch , 70ch , 80ch ?
Je suis français , je ne comprends pas la langue américaine . désoler Merci .
Pilote n° 69 ( un crétin ) 🥶🤮
Rockin' some Journey. Love it!!! Thanks for posting these Bryan.
Nice with overlay but strange that you cant see power level aswell.
Get a horn.
dude...clear the step up! great video man, thanks
Was there an extra plug for headlights or turn signals?
Need a little horn to hoot when you want to notify other riders
Lol @ 31:25
Driving with good music as well!
i have no doubt that the varg can handle a supercross setting but i think stark's got some work to do to get the varg through a 30 min + 2 laps outdoor moto, especially on the mid-west and southeast tracks where a typical track day is over 100 degrees with 100% humidity ...........
Désolé je ne parle pas anglais mais saurais-tu me dire combien de temps la batterie tient avec ton roulage
You need that handlebar rear brake setup
possible de faire un dépars arrêter avec une 250 et une 450 cdt
The overlay is good. Keep it.
haaahahaha Dr. D wasnt havin it bub.....
These need a horn! Beep beep
Can we see full power already?
the overlay works very well!