This isn't about "boys being nice to girls", or "girls being delicate flowers". This is about treating your fellow human beings like human beings. And, for the record, it's impossible for a woman to be treated "just like the other males there", when she is subjected to sexual harassment. Your argument fails.
Loud dudes like Aris usually have some innuendo in one or two things they say for their clique to laugh at. Women roll with this stuff, or parry it to their advantage, but Aris just beat this chick over the head in that training clip. Nonstop insults and commenting on every move she made, even going to the bathroom. Asking details about her boyfriend when clearly Aris would have to fight him if he was present. Show me a clip of a dude getting that much nonstop attention, not even harassment like this.
Men can take sexual harassment towards themselves with a grain of salt. It doesn't bother most men, but woman are very much bothered by it and is completely unacceptable to do. People do value themselves and this kind of behavior is unsettling.
bensons999 I can speak against sexual harassment for both sex's. They are both wrong but men are rarely bothered by sexual harassment. Women take it much more seriously.
***** Utter bullshit. Sexual harassment happens to men much more commonly than to women and is thought of as a joke and something that men should just man up and accept it.
BlueCosmology I know it happens to men, that's why I said "most" men. But I'm not sure I would agree sexual harassment happens more commonly to men than women. Don't get me wrong, men get shit all the time for all kinds of unfair problems. I just think this is something most of us haven't *really* felt on our skin. Maybe it's just my lack of experience or something, but I really don't see a lot of stuff like shown in the video happening to men. Or groping in public transport. Or catcalling...
I know what I've seen, and I know what I've read. Aris has made his views on harassment and the fighting community pretty clear. What else do I need to know to make an educated evaluation of this situation? I believe this girl was treated unfairly, and the attitude that TyrannosaurusJex displayed is part of the problem. Were YOU there, or know these people? Since it's got you so worked up, what can YOU tell me about it that I don't already know? I'm eager to know.
When a girl says : "this is creepy" you passed the line an hour ago. that's the sign. Another sign: if she deosn't laugh anymore she is probably under heavy stress and wants to be in another place, without the person who is harrassing her. They gave a ton of message but the guy continued. I'm sorry that she left the competition because she seemed to be very competitive!
I've been in the sf4 scene for years and i agree most of the people are in the scene are creepy and weird. Even top players i know were like i don't really like most people in the gaming scene. Cos anyone can join the scene, it's mostly the street people who are single
You could hear it in her awkward laughter, see it in her body movements, and notice her lack of eye contact when mentioning the bad parts that it was uncomfortable. That guy needs to be banned for what he's done to her and future female gamers.
The usual lack of cameras or attention helps as well. I'm glad we got to this side of the FGC, they have needed to confront this problem for quite awhile it's why I don't think we see much diversity in the FGC at all.
There is audio of the harassment on UA-cam. The video is called "Day 1: Sexual Harassment on Cross Assault". I don't know why you'd need to 'know' the people involved, but you can certainly listen to what she had to deal with.
A verbal warning would have not looked weak; she let herself look weak by not saying anything. She became a doormat. I would have asked Aris nicely to stop; if he continued, then I would have told him to shut up. If he would have persisted, the next step would have been for me to get up out of my chair (it was practice, not a match, so no big) and hit him. Live feed or not, don't look like a doormat. Tourneys will come and go, but honor should always come first. Flipside: 100% still Aris' fault.
Wow, even after all that, she's still trying to downplay the whole event, even though she's clearly hurting. I feel so bad for her, she's being way too nice, she couldn't have deserved what happened to her less. God I can see how this has gotten so many people mad, this is so wrong, she shouldn't even care if she's doing bad or not, this was suppose to be about fun. The only good thing that may come out of this is awareness.
Aris was a prick and should have been kicked out of the tourney for explicit harassment and unsportsmanlike behavior. This shit is obscene. I really hope she comes to understand that this is the exception, not the rule. Coach or not, this guy majorly overstepped and I'm shocked nobody on the team called him the fuck out on it.
salmonblox may have listened to the audio and based his/her opinion on that. That was my point. I don't know if the harassment 'would' have gotten worse, but I do agree that victims should never be blamed and accusing someone of encouraging that sort of treatment by not speaking up is incredibly naive and ignorant. Oh and if you were there you would know that she couldn't just 'get out'. She was contractually obliged to remain there for there entirety of the tournament.
And this is why i respect the international players more(Japan). It's always the american players who talks smack. Maybe we should join with e-sports to control this behavior and at the same time more money will be involved.
For every girl out there crying about how mean the fgc is, timeout. This was an extreme case of over the line harassment. particularly when aris started pointing the camera at her body. However, there are plenty of girls in this community who take the shit talking because they can dish it right back and form friendships or interesting rivalries. Its mostly the 09ers, never hung at arcades, play online mostly crowd that you will see whining.
"This was over the line! But some girls can handle it! And I think that's better! I don't want women to stop being harassed, I just think more of them should be okay with it." -VTEC313 you sound like a dumbass lol
I can't even understand how that's the behaviour of what is supposed to be a "coach" for this genre. And I thought we girls had to deal with enough crap in shooter competitions, lol. All my respect for the women competing in the arcade fight genre, seriously. I know this is not the rule, but it's not an exception either. Sometimes the reason nobody speaks up is because they are trying to focus on what they are doing, and hoping "that guy" will just shut up.
I bet it wasn't the actually sexual harrassment that was getting to her. It's the fact that she sucked at the game and Aris was giving her a hard time about it. It was a competition and he was the coach, obviously he's going to be pissed if one of his players suck badly. Aris was joking around with the sexual comments and she knew it too. She was having a hard time on the show because Aris was giving her bad feedback about her performance. The sexual harrassment was just an excuse.
Well, who knows what the future holds? As more and more women play games and compete in competitions, maybe a balance will be found between how guys act and how women react, as well as vice versa. As to chivalry being over, well, I think the jury's still out on that. We both have our opinions, so let's just leave it at that.
while i agree on the whole women need to speak up-thing, i think you have to consider that you don't usually open your mouth after the first two mildly offensive words - maybe you dont want to look like a crybaby (perhaps especially as a woman to appear strong & stuff), maybe you think "ok he said some stupid stuff, let's just shrug it off" - but if the offender goes on and on it becomes harder to talk back but of course you're right - don't be an ass should be the golden rule, always
"The sexual harrassment was just an excuse" I think you need to take a minute and consider the absurdity of this statement. Bottom line: what Aris did was NOT OKAY. As you pointed out, he was the coach, a position of power, and he exploited that position to harass a fellow gamer simply because she was female. I'm no prude, and one of the last people to cry "sexism!", believe me, but this was wrong, plain and simple. I don't care his reasoning, I don't care if that's "the scene". He's a creep.
the other thing too (and i know this is a stupid nitpick) but the guy was not funny. he was trying to be and it wasn't even remotley humorous. he probably thought he was the funniest guy in the world when his jokes were just offensive. it would be like me saying right now WOMEN IN THE KITCHEN AM I RIGHT OR WHAT. only a flailing shit would laugh at that. most people would be like. dude.... what the fuck?
Here is a quote from one of FGC members: srsgamer87: its fine, women cant debat rationally anyway, too emotional" And the response to that from the rest of the members are "LOL" . All in All, if you want to be part of FGC in USA, ignore them online and bring your baseball bats to beat these ppl down.
There was no ad hominem fallacies in my entire post. There was one insult at the beginning which was 8 words long, in a 500 word comment. You should understand the words you use before you use them, otherwise you may embarrass yourself. I don't really understand how you don't see what happened as sexual harassment, and not simple bullying. There was obvious sexual talk.Sexual harassment or bullying is never OK and not defending one incident on the basis that you won't defend others is idiotic.
I really don't see gaming communities barring women from playing. That genie's already out of the bottle. Your comment about chivalry almost sounds like it's personal. And honestly, there's nothing written that says the gaming community is solely for men, that's a cultural thing. And like everything else, it changes with time. This'll be the last I'll say about this, so good luck in your crusade.
Really its probably not so much that she is a girl, some people cannot stand to lose at video games and just rage hardcore. When someone starts talkin shit in a videogame that means you are starting to worry them, so just focus and bring home the win. I don't understand why people think obvious threats from gamers are serious or how people care what your opponent says; anything that comes from his mouth is intended to throw off your game. If anything I think girls have an advantage in games because they are girls and when guys start to lose it effects our pride, and it makes it harder to play frustrated. The only things guys have over girls is apparently that girls cant yet figure out how to take being insulted so they leave and cry or w.e rather than just ignore and beat the guy. The more angry someone gets the more you should just laugh at them, it makes an unending vicious cycle of rage if you maintain beating them. The commentary from gamers is VERY obscene and if you cannot handle it then perhaps you shouldn't have gone. A lot of people do not like the vulgarity that occurs but I personally think its hilarious and at times can be the funnest part of the game-with the right people.
+Manuelomar2001 Don't bother replying, already muted you. ahahahahaha yeah fuck being proven wrong. muted. see how fucking stupid that sounds? no one cares
"If anything I think girls have an advantage in games because they are girls and when guys start to lose it effects our pride, and it makes it harder to play frustrated. The only things guys have over girls is apparently that girls cant yet figure out how to take being insulted so they leave and cry or w.e rather than just ignore and beat the guy." so women don't have pride? from your comment it's pretty obvious you don't view women as people with the same emotions as you, and this outlook is ridiculous. you should work on having empathy for people who aren't EXACTLY like you lol.
wow nerds cant seem to act right when girls are comming into our world. common man this is sad. on behalf of the FGC that is mature( i dont speak for the idiots) i want to hand over an apology. so sorry you had to go through that.
Respectfully sir, but so's your anger. Yelling and swearing at people initially to try and make your point really isn't going to win you people to your opinion.
It doesn't cause a scene to just say yo back the fuck off. Ah, right. So your interpretation of the events that happened means everyone must think like you? That's your argument. I read between the lines that means EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD AS WELL!
"This is creepy you passed the line an hour ago" Not true for all girls. A girl who I dated for 2 years called the things I did creepy because she didn't want my ego to expand. You have to read between the lines sometimes when it comes to women. They're majorly passive aggressive which is why when dealing with men women must be truthful and direct. Saying "this is creepy" isn't going to cut it. Say "Knock it off dude I don't want to hear you talk to me like that anymore got it?"
Aris did apologize on day 2 or so, so the sexual "harrassment" or coments were probally dumbed down a bit afterwards. I remember she said some thing like "it's like having your boss constantly degrading you", i think she said that on twitter, so Aris was giving her a hard time about the her performance(gaming wise). I still think i'm right about this.
I really feel for her as you listen to her cracking in the voice as she speaks. Wow she was really bothered by their antics (the boys). One thing ALL girls need to understand though is that when you enter a field of men you need to be ready to kick ballz because to men they feel insecure that something feminine is de-legitimizing their work and so they get defensive. So the best medicine is to kick some azz and earn their respect. Does this mean you must work 10x harder than the average guy - ABSOLUTELY! But i think that is the only way to survive this testosterone filled, BO'ed room. Her quitting just proved the guys beat her. Not a good message to send future girls. Stay strong bitches!
you make men seem like spoiled children who can't handle anyone different. we are not like that. YOU are like that. men are capable of respecting women, it's just lazy assholes like you who think it's impossible. her quitting proved that people like you can even ruin something as fun as video games.
THANK YOU! He didn't know where the line was. If she told him there was a line he would of backed the fuck off because the line was implied not specified and he already told a boob joke so he thought he was in the clear. There is a lesson in this... ladies tell the guys you're around where the line is and stick to that line other wise some will push it.
When you enter a tournament of games primarily dominated by boys and men you need to expect this behavior. When girls arent around this is how boys/men behave still. The only difference now is a girl is in the room to hear and possibly complain about it.
I find no fault on Super_Yan. BUT... without saying something up front (after the first comment that rubbed her the wrong way) she did sort of open up the impression that she was okay with this treatment. This is also the reason why people are trying to put her at fault. Yes, the gaming community as a whole need to be better, but that door swings both ways: call out things that are inappropriate as well as try hard to not be inappropriate yourself.
Well, I respect that you backed it up with sources, and while you may be right that the reason she's quitting isn't directly because of sexual harassment, it doesn't change the fact that a) That doesn't excuse the sexual harassment in any way, it was vile and insulting to her AND the viewers b) Aris constantly rode her primarily for being a girl, whether she "sucked" or not. (and that's still harassment!) This is way too common an occurrence in the gaming community, and seriously needs to stop
Do boys have vaginas or boobs to be leered at and commented on the entire match? Watch the footage of the first week and come back and tell me Aris wasn't specifically targeting and harassing SuperYan. I am no prude, and I have done my share of friendly trash talking but I don't get this attitude...why are you so insistent on maintaining an atmosphere of insults and hate speech? Yes, boys have been dealing with these taunts for over 2 decades as well...does that mean it should stay that way?
I am shocked people even still comment on this video or this moment in the FGC at all. I will say however that this one instance in time was one of the most ridiculous circumstances and was hardly something most would call harassment. I get it, she was very uncomfortable with the way that things were handled, and she believed Aris was pretty much stripping her security and peace of mind away by his actions. But to this day there were still a multitude of things that proved to me this was more of Miranda/Super_Yan's way out of the tournament without facing elimination than it was "harassment." In her Cross video she mentioned having a history of playing Soul Calibur competitively, or at least I recall it being mentioned somewhere she did. People can say "well every community of the FGC is different" but I personally believe if you have dabbled in one venue for the FGC then you pretty much know or hear from second-hand experience how the other sides are. I am not in the belief that Miranda was some innocent lamb lead to the slaughter being around Aris. And I don't honestly think she actually was so naive or new to the FGC in such a way that she felt she had no one to relate to or tell this was going on. The second thing that ticked off to me was that Sherry Jennix, a known and exposed thot in the FGC was also at this tournament and even told Miranda several times and tried to console her off to the side as exposed by L.I. Joe's stream that this stuff happens. The heckling, the picking fun, the rude comments (it even happens to male competitors and while it doesn't make it right, it does underline that it exists for both sexes) were all apart of it. Miranda could have asked Sherry to even say something was off. But there was footage of Miranda still coaxing the attention, still saying things to give the impression that it was "okay" to keep pestering her. People are not mind readers and some suck at social cues or knowing when others are uncomfortable. But it's pretty universal that if you are being chided back with, until you hear or get an evident "stop" you think that someone is in on it too. Lastly and finally it has been said on numerous streams before and after Miranda's incident that Miranda is known for causing drama and bopping around in the FGC. Let's be realistic. I don't think people just wake up and decide "Today I am going to sexually harass this person" and I highly doubt Miranda was just the decided flower here in this situation. But she's been known to cause drama between other players, she even got two long time friends to start hating each other simply because she dated the other. And has jumped between guys in the SC community like a fish on cobblestones. I am all for defending against sexual harassment, but given the nature of most girls in the FGC anyway? (Except for Japan's FGC) I don't ever just trust a case of "she was harassed omg!" coming from our side until I have enough evidence to say "Yes it was unwarranted and entirely unprovoked." I feel bad for her, but I honestly do think it was just for some attention and to not be the weak link on Team Tekken.
nobody has to put up with this bullshit it doesn't matter how much it happens. you excuse the actions of some because they "suck at social cues" but miranda has an obligation to be completely direct and transparent with her actions no matter how much she might "suck" at doing that? i don't think anyone was intentionally making her uncomfortable, but they DID have a toxic lack of social awareness that needs to be addressed. we don't need a half-baked essay about how miranda wants attention, we just need to listen, handle the problem and keep gaming. it's not that hard.
This was harassment plain and simple. What other sport allows a coach to comment on someone’s bra size, take a camera and zoom in on his player’s breasts, butt, and feet while making comments about them, talk about taking home the winner of a “mud wrestling competition”, and invade a player’s personal space and smell them after being asked to back up? Any other league that isnt the fgc would call out these actions for what they are: harassment. The rest of your room temperature IQ take is either irrelevant or poor excuses to justify harassment. Miranda’s previous experience in the FGC doesn’t justify being harassed during the competition. FGC having a reputation for heckling doesn’t justify the harassment. Sherry Jenix’s reputation is irrelevant to this situation. Miranda’s dating life is irrelevant to this situation. Miranda’s alleged “drama queen” reputation doesn’t justify harassment. Miranda’s alleged reputation regarding her sex life doesn’t justify harassment. (Holy shit, you unironically made the ‘she was asking for it” argument here LMAO). This is a pretty close and shut case, Aris was her coach. He said and did a lot of inappropriate things throughout a 5 day period, she didn’t asked or provoke any of it. Crazy how you had 5 years to examine this event and you still tried to downplay it.
This was harassment plain and simple. What other sport allows a coach to comment on someone’s bra size, take a camera and zoom in on his player’s breasts, butt, and feet while making comments about them, talk about taking home the winner of a “mud wrestling competition”, and invade a player’s personal space and smell them after being asked to back up? Any other league that isnt the fgc would call out these actions for what they are: harassment. The rest of your room temperature IQ take is either irrelevant or poor excuses to justify harassment. Miranda’s previous experience in the FGC doesn’t justify being harassed during the competition. FGC having a reputation for heckling doesn’t justify the harassment. Sherry Jenix’s reputation is irrelevant to this situation. Miranda’s dating life is irrelevant to this situation. Miranda’s alleged “drama queen” reputation doesn’t justify harassment. Miranda’s alleged reputation regarding her sex life doesn’t justify harassment. (Holy shit, you unironically made the ‘she was asking for it” argument here LMAO). This is a pretty close and shut case, Aris was her coach. He said and did a lot of inappropriate things throughout a 5 day period, she didn’t asked or provoke any of it. Crazy how you had 5 years to examine this event and you still tried to downplay it.
Wrong. She COULD have said something to combat the harassment, but it was not her responsibility to. You're really faulting HER for being harassed? What the hell is wrong with you? If she had spoken up, the harassment would have only increased. The fault lies solely with Aris and whoever else participated in tormenting this poor girl. There is zero excuse for such vile behavior, "competitive spirit" or otherwise. Gamers are better than this. We need to represent ourselves better.
Snake PIissken even sherry jinx or JUST sherry jinx and maybe a few other people? I mean there is most of this comment section that seem to be on Super_Yan's side and the team at extra credits (who are a UA-cam channel dedicated to in depth analysis and advice on game design that have a large following and have proven time and time again to be extremely insightful). And also, who the hell is sherry jinx and why is sherry jinx's input important for this situation?
@@timothyclark58 yeah, and false accusations are always believed at first, what's your point? The truth is not discern by how many people agree on the same mentality, but on the facts. This is not sexual harassment, is a bunch of grown up idiots that think they are funny by doing childish jokes.
@@JesusProtects There are literally videos where you can see the harassment, this isn't a false accusation. Those 'jokes' are harassment, you're just downplaying them by calling them harmless jokes. This mindset and amount of tolerance for the harassment of OTHERS is what allows creeps to stay long enough to do worse. You shouldn't just let these things slide if you're going to be part of a community, especially if there are repeated offences
This isn't about "boys being nice to girls", or "girls being delicate flowers". This is about treating your fellow human beings like human beings.
And, for the record, it's impossible for a woman to be treated "just like the other males there", when she is subjected to sexual harassment. Your argument fails.
Sexually harassing women till they leave the tournament?
This is the 21 st century. What the hell is wrong with people?
+funkydanieluk Men get harassed all the time. Have you ever been to an fgc tourney?
Ayana Linval Nah bitch, it's just double standards like everything else in life.
Loud dudes like Aris usually have some innuendo in one or two things they say for their clique to laugh at. Women roll with this stuff, or parry it to their advantage, but Aris just beat this chick over the head in that training clip. Nonstop insults and commenting on every move she made, even going to the bathroom. Asking details about her boyfriend when clearly Aris would have to fight him if he was present. Show me a clip of a dude getting that much nonstop attention, not even harassment like this.
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Men can take sexual harassment towards themselves with a grain of salt. It doesn't bother most men, but woman are very much bothered by it and is completely unacceptable to do. People do value themselves and this kind of behavior is unsettling.
Don't assume that you can speak for the entirety of one sex, let alone both.
Most men feel like it doesn't bother them because they haven't experienced it.
bensons999 I can speak against sexual harassment for both sex's. They are both wrong but men are rarely bothered by sexual harassment. Women take it much more seriously.
***** Utter bullshit. Sexual harassment happens to men much more commonly than to women and is thought of as a joke and something that men should just man up and accept it.
BlueCosmology I know it happens to men, that's why I said "most" men. But I'm not sure I would agree sexual harassment happens more commonly to men than women. Don't get me wrong, men get shit all the time for all kinds of unfair problems. I just think this is something most of us haven't *really* felt on our skin.
Maybe it's just my lack of experience or something, but I really don't see a lot of stuff like shown in the video happening to men. Or groping in public transport. Or catcalling...
I know what I've seen, and I know what I've read. Aris has made his views on harassment and the fighting community pretty clear. What else do I need to know to make an educated evaluation of this situation? I believe this girl was treated unfairly, and the attitude that TyrannosaurusJex displayed is part of the problem. Were YOU there, or know these people? Since it's got you so worked up, what can YOU tell me about it that I don't already know? I'm eager to know.
When a girl says : "this is creepy" you passed the line an hour ago. that's the sign. Another sign: if she deosn't laugh anymore she is probably under heavy stress and wants to be in another place, without the person who is harrassing her. They gave a ton of message but the guy continued. I'm sorry that she left the competition because she seemed to be very competitive!
I've been in the sf4 scene for years and i agree most of the people are in the scene are creepy and weird. Even top players i know were like i don't really like most people in the gaming scene. Cos anyone can join the scene, it's mostly the street people who are single
how about instead of signs 'grow a spine"
@@Lougie2u Or, you know, just don't be an asshole to people
You could hear it in her awkward laughter, see it in her body movements, and notice her lack of eye contact when mentioning the bad parts that it was uncomfortable. That guy needs to be banned for what he's done to her and future female gamers.
The usual lack of cameras or attention helps as well. I'm glad we got to this side of the FGC, they have needed to confront this problem for quite awhile it's why I don't think we see much diversity in the FGC at all.
I can't imagine what this woman went through, but at least the interviewer understood enough to actually apologize over what happened.
There is audio of the harassment on UA-cam. The video is called "Day 1: Sexual Harassment on Cross Assault". I don't know why you'd need to 'know' the people involved, but you can certainly listen to what she had to deal with.
A verbal warning would have not looked weak; she let herself look weak by not saying anything. She became a doormat. I would have asked Aris nicely to stop; if he continued, then I would have told him to shut up. If he would have persisted, the next step would have been for me to get up out of my chair (it was practice, not a match, so no big) and hit him. Live feed or not, don't look like a doormat. Tourneys will come and go, but honor should always come first. Flipside: 100% still Aris' fault.
Wow, even after all that, she's still trying to downplay the whole event, even though she's clearly hurting. I feel so bad for her, she's being way too nice, she couldn't have deserved what happened to her less.
God I can see how this has gotten so many people mad, this is so wrong, she shouldn't even care if she's doing bad or not, this was suppose to be about fun. The only good thing that may come out of this is awareness.
also difficult to understand is that why non of the other guys stood up.. a lot of them actually joined in..
Would you kindly fill me in on what "facts" I need to get straight?
Aris was a prick and should have been kicked out of the tourney for explicit harassment and unsportsmanlike behavior. This shit is obscene. I really hope she comes to understand that this is the exception, not the rule. Coach or not, this guy majorly overstepped and I'm shocked nobody on the team called him the fuck out on it.
salmonblox may have listened to the audio and based his/her opinion on that. That was my point.
I don't know if the harassment 'would' have gotten worse, but I do agree that victims should never be blamed and accusing someone of encouraging that sort of treatment by not speaking up is incredibly naive and ignorant.
Oh and if you were there you would know that she couldn't just 'get out'. She was contractually obliged to remain there for there entirety of the tournament.
And this is why i respect the international players more(Japan). It's always the american players who talks smack. Maybe we should join with e-sports to control this behavior and at the same time more money will be involved.
csynn japanese players talk shit you just can't understand them.
zzzzImTired No they don't. Atleast not as aggressively as American players.
+csynn Just because you defend sexism doesn't give you an excuse to be racist
For every girl out there crying about how mean the fgc is, timeout. This was an extreme case of over the line harassment. particularly when aris started pointing the camera at her body. However, there are plenty of girls in this community who take the shit talking because they can dish it right back and form friendships or interesting rivalries. Its mostly the 09ers, never hung at arcades, play online mostly crowd that you will see whining.
"This was over the line! But some girls can handle it! And I think that's better! I don't want women to stop being harassed, I just think more of them should be okay with it." -VTEC313
you sound like a dumbass lol
Asking your bra size isn't shit talking. It's just a bizarre and uncomfortable question from a man that clearly wants to fuck you.
I can't even understand how that's the behaviour of what is supposed to be a "coach" for this genre. And I thought we girls had to deal with enough crap in shooter competitions, lol.
All my respect for the women competing in the arcade fight genre, seriously. I know this is not the rule, but it's not an exception either. Sometimes the reason nobody speaks up is because they are trying to focus on what they are doing, and hoping "that guy" will just shut up.
This is why capcom never did a cross assault again
I bet it wasn't the actually sexual harrassment that was getting to her. It's the fact that she sucked at the game and Aris was giving her a hard time about it. It was a competition and he was the coach, obviously he's going to be pissed if one of his players suck badly.
Aris was joking around with the sexual comments and she knew it too. She was having a hard time on the show because Aris was giving her bad feedback about her performance. The sexual harrassment was just an excuse.
Well, who knows what the future holds? As more and more women play games and compete in competitions, maybe a balance will be found between how guys act and how women react, as well as vice versa. As to chivalry being over, well, I think the jury's still out on that. We both have our opinions, so let's just leave it at that.
while i agree on the whole women need to speak up-thing, i think you have to consider that you don't usually open your mouth after the first two mildly offensive words - maybe you dont want to look like a crybaby (perhaps especially as a woman to appear strong & stuff), maybe you think "ok he said some stupid stuff, let's just shrug it off" - but if the offender goes on and on it becomes harder to talk back
but of course you're right - don't be an ass should be the golden rule, always
"The sexual harrassment was just an excuse"
I think you need to take a minute and consider the absurdity of this statement.
Bottom line: what Aris did was NOT OKAY. As you pointed out, he was the coach, a position of power, and he exploited that position to harass a fellow gamer simply because she was female. I'm no prude, and one of the last people to cry "sexism!", believe me, but this was wrong, plain and simple. I don't care his reasoning, I don't care if that's "the scene". He's a creep.
gameing was not invented to be a men only club. in fact it was originally targeted to kids.
the other thing too (and i know this is a stupid nitpick) but the guy was not funny. he was trying to be and it wasn't even remotley humorous. he probably thought he was the funniest guy in the world when his jokes were just offensive. it would be like me saying right now WOMEN IN THE KITCHEN AM I RIGHT OR WHAT. only a flailing shit would laugh at that. most people would be like. dude.... what the fuck?
little known female body language: shes playing/fiddling with her hair = shes upset and/or nervous
So do you completely miss EVERY point that gets made near you or is this one just special?
Here is a quote from one of FGC members: srsgamer87: its fine, women cant debat rationally anyway, too emotional"
And the response to that from the rest of the members are "LOL" .
All in All, if you want to be part of FGC in USA, ignore them online and bring your baseball bats to beat these ppl down.
Awww, poor baby gonna cry
Congrats
Hey man that's cold
This content is worth listening too, and I would like to find more females in the FGC and other gaming communities!
There was no ad hominem fallacies in my entire post. There was one insult at the beginning which was 8 words long, in a 500 word comment. You should understand the words you use before you use them, otherwise you may embarrass yourself.
I don't really understand how you don't see what happened as sexual harassment, and not simple bullying. There was obvious sexual talk.Sexual harassment or bullying is never OK and not defending one incident on the basis that you won't defend others is idiotic.
The youtuber who posted this video does not seem to understand much about sexual harassment... Probably a 10 year old
I really don't see gaming communities barring women from playing. That genie's already out of the bottle. Your comment about chivalry almost sounds like it's personal. And honestly, there's nothing written that says the gaming community is solely for men, that's a cultural thing. And like everything else, it changes with time. This'll be the last I'll say about this, so good luck in your crusade.
Well said
Really its probably not so much that she is a girl, some people cannot stand to lose at video games and just rage hardcore. When someone starts talkin shit in a videogame that means you are starting to worry them, so just focus and bring home the win. I don't understand why people think obvious threats from gamers are serious or how people care what your opponent says; anything that comes from his mouth is intended to throw off your game.
If anything I think girls have an advantage in games because they are girls and when guys start to lose it effects our pride, and it makes it harder to play frustrated. The only things guys have over girls is apparently that girls cant yet figure out how to take being insulted so they leave and cry or w.e rather than just ignore and beat the guy.
The more angry someone gets the more you should just laugh at them, it makes an unending vicious cycle of rage if you maintain beating them.
The commentary from gamers is VERY obscene and if you cannot handle it then perhaps you shouldn't have gone. A lot of people do not like the vulgarity that occurs but I personally think its hilarious and at times can be the funnest part of the game-with the right people.
+Manuelomar2001 Don't bother replying, already muted you.
ahahahahaha yeah fuck being proven wrong. muted.
see how fucking stupid that sounds? no one cares
"If anything I think girls have an advantage in games because they are girls and when guys start to lose it effects our pride, and it makes it harder to play frustrated. The only things guys have over girls is apparently that girls cant yet figure out how to take being insulted so they leave and cry or w.e rather than just ignore and beat the guy."
so women don't have pride?
from your comment it's pretty obvious you don't view women as people with the same emotions as you, and this outlook is ridiculous. you should work on having empathy for people who aren't EXACTLY like you lol.
wow nerds cant seem to act right when girls are comming into our world. common man this is sad. on behalf of the FGC that is mature( i dont speak for the idiots) i want to hand over an apology. so sorry you had to go through that.
Respectfully sir, but so's your anger. Yelling and swearing at people initially to try and make your point really isn't going to win you people to your opinion.
What happened?
Watch the video to find out.
aris bodied the bitch
It doesn't cause a scene to just say yo back the fuck off.
Ah, right. So your interpretation of the events that happened means everyone must think like you? That's your argument.
I read between the lines that means EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD AS WELL!
"This is creepy you passed the line an hour ago"
Not true for all girls. A girl who I dated for 2 years called the things I did creepy because she didn't want my ego to expand. You have to read between the lines sometimes when it comes to women. They're majorly passive aggressive which is why when dealing with men women must be truthful and direct. Saying "this is creepy" isn't going to cut it. Say "Knock it off dude I don't want to hear you talk to me like that anymore got it?"
Superyan is fiiiine. Seriously nerds do not know how to act around such a fine lady, no wonder 90% of them struggle to find a girlfriend...
Aris did apologize on day 2 or so, so the sexual "harrassment" or coments were probally dumbed down a bit afterwards. I remember she said some thing like "it's like having your boss constantly degrading you", i think she said that on twitter, so Aris was giving her a hard time about the her performance(gaming wise). I still think i'm right about this.
I really feel for her as you listen to her cracking in the voice as she speaks. Wow she was really bothered by their antics (the boys).
One thing ALL girls need to understand though is that when you enter a field of men you need to be ready to kick ballz because to men they feel insecure that something feminine is de-legitimizing their work and so they get defensive. So the best medicine is to kick some azz and earn their respect. Does this mean you must work 10x harder than the average guy - ABSOLUTELY! But i think that is the only way to survive this testosterone filled, BO'ed room.
Her quitting just proved the guys beat her. Not a good message to send future girls. Stay strong bitches!
Please don't refer to women as bitches. It doesn't help anyone.
you make men seem like spoiled children who can't handle anyone different. we are not like that. YOU are like that. men are capable of respecting women, it's just lazy assholes like you who think it's impossible.
her quitting proved that people like you can even ruin something as fun as video games.
Yeah. She did.
That was terrible what Aris did to her, he's lucky her boyfriend was no the hell where in sight!
THANK YOU! He didn't know where the line was. If she told him there was a line he would of backed the fuck off because the line was implied not specified and he already told a boob joke so he thought he was in the clear.
There is a lesson in this... ladies tell the guys you're around where the line is and stick to that line other wise some will push it.
When you enter a tournament of games primarily dominated by boys and men you need to expect this behavior. When girls arent around this is how boys/men behave still. The only difference now is a girl is in the room to hear and possibly complain about it.
I find no fault on Super_Yan. BUT... without saying something up front (after the first comment that rubbed her the wrong way) she did sort of open up the impression that she was okay with this treatment. This is also the reason why people are trying to put her at fault. Yes, the gaming community as a whole need to be better, but that door swings both ways: call out things that are inappropriate as well as try hard to not be inappropriate yourself.
Well, I respect that you backed it up with sources, and while you may be right that the reason she's quitting isn't directly because of sexual harassment, it doesn't change the fact that
a) That doesn't excuse the sexual harassment in any way, it was vile and insulting to her AND the viewers
b) Aris constantly rode her primarily for being a girl, whether she "sucked" or not. (and that's still harassment!) This is way too common an occurrence in the gaming community, and seriously needs to stop
Eh, I am. Doesn't really negate my point.
BUT THANKS!
You are comparing the military to a gaming team. No wonder your comment is hidden as spam.
"...she's not hot at all" Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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how is "girl" an insult?
because she's A WAHM
Right...sure....
Do boys have vaginas or boobs to be leered at and commented on the entire match? Watch the footage of the first week and come back and tell me Aris wasn't specifically targeting and harassing SuperYan. I am no prude, and I have done my share of friendly trash talking but I don't get this attitude...why are you so insistent on maintaining an atmosphere of insults and hate speech? Yes, boys have been dealing with these taunts for over 2 decades as well...does that mean it should stay that way?
I am shocked people even still comment on this video or this moment in the FGC at all. I will say however that this one instance in time was one of the most ridiculous circumstances and was hardly something most would call harassment. I get it, she was very uncomfortable with the way that things were handled, and she believed Aris was pretty much stripping her security and peace of mind away by his actions. But to this day there were still a multitude of things that proved to me this was more of Miranda/Super_Yan's way out of the tournament without facing elimination than it was "harassment."
In her Cross video she mentioned having a history of playing Soul Calibur competitively, or at least I recall it being mentioned somewhere she did. People can say "well every community of the FGC is different" but I personally believe if you have dabbled in one venue for the FGC then you pretty much know or hear from second-hand experience how the other sides are. I am not in the belief that Miranda was some innocent lamb lead to the slaughter being around Aris. And I don't honestly think she actually was so naive or new to the FGC in such a way that she felt she had no one to relate to or tell this was going on.
The second thing that ticked off to me was that Sherry Jennix, a known and exposed thot in the FGC was also at this tournament and even told Miranda several times and tried to console her off to the side as exposed by L.I. Joe's stream that this stuff happens. The heckling, the picking fun, the rude comments (it even happens to male competitors and while it doesn't make it right, it does underline that it exists for both sexes) were all apart of it. Miranda could have asked Sherry to even say something was off. But there was footage of Miranda still coaxing the attention, still saying things to give the impression that it was "okay" to keep pestering her. People are not mind readers and some suck at social cues or knowing when others are uncomfortable. But it's pretty universal that if you are being chided back with, until you hear or get an evident "stop" you think that someone is in on it too.
Lastly and finally it has been said on numerous streams before and after Miranda's incident that Miranda is known for causing drama and bopping around in the FGC. Let's be realistic. I don't think people just wake up and decide "Today I am going to sexually harass this person" and I highly doubt Miranda was just the decided flower here in this situation. But she's been known to cause drama between other players, she even got two long time friends to start hating each other simply because she dated the other. And has jumped between guys in the SC community like a fish on cobblestones. I am all for defending against sexual harassment, but given the nature of most girls in the FGC anyway? (Except for Japan's FGC) I don't ever just trust a case of "she was harassed omg!" coming from our side until I have enough evidence to say "Yes it was unwarranted and entirely unprovoked." I feel bad for her, but I honestly do think it was just for some attention and to not be the weak link on Team Tekken.
tl;dr
And still took time out of your day to waste responding to something too long for you to read. Damn shame this era is.
nobody has to put up with this bullshit it doesn't matter how much it happens. you excuse the actions of some because they "suck at social cues" but miranda has an obligation to be completely direct and transparent with her actions no matter how much she might "suck" at doing that?
i don't think anyone was intentionally making her uncomfortable, but they DID have a toxic lack of social awareness that needs to be addressed.
we don't need a half-baked essay about how miranda wants attention, we just need to listen, handle the problem and keep gaming.
it's not that hard.
This was harassment plain and simple. What other sport allows a coach to comment on someone’s bra size, take a camera and zoom in on his player’s breasts, butt, and feet while making comments about them, talk about taking home the winner of a “mud wrestling competition”, and invade a player’s personal space and smell them after being asked to back up? Any other league that isnt the fgc would call out these actions for what they are: harassment.
The rest of your room temperature IQ take is either irrelevant or poor excuses to justify harassment.
Miranda’s previous experience in the FGC doesn’t justify being harassed during the competition.
FGC having a reputation for heckling doesn’t justify the harassment.
Sherry Jenix’s reputation is irrelevant to this situation.
Miranda’s dating life is irrelevant to this situation.
Miranda’s alleged “drama queen” reputation doesn’t justify harassment.
Miranda’s alleged reputation regarding her sex life doesn’t justify harassment. (Holy shit, you unironically made the ‘she was asking for it” argument here LMAO).
This is a pretty close and shut case, Aris was her coach. He said and did a lot of inappropriate things throughout a 5 day period, she didn’t asked or provoke any of it. Crazy how you had 5 years to examine this event and you still tried to downplay it.
This was harassment plain and simple. What other sport allows a coach to comment on someone’s bra size, take a camera and zoom in on his player’s breasts, butt, and feet while making comments about them, talk about taking home the winner of a “mud wrestling competition”, and invade a player’s personal space and smell them after being asked to back up? Any other league that isnt the fgc would call out these actions for what they are: harassment.
The rest of your room temperature IQ take is either irrelevant or poor excuses to justify harassment.
Miranda’s previous experience in the FGC doesn’t justify being harassed during the competition.
FGC having a reputation for heckling doesn’t justify the harassment.
Sherry Jenix’s reputation is irrelevant to this situation.
Miranda’s dating life is irrelevant to this situation.
Miranda’s alleged “drama queen” reputation doesn’t justify harassment.
Miranda’s alleged reputation regarding her sex life doesn’t justify harassment. (Holy shit, you unironically made the ‘she was asking for it” argument here LMAO).
This is a pretty close and shut case, Aris was her coach. He said and did a lot of inappropriate things throughout a 5 day period, she didn’t asked or provoke any of it. Crazy how you had 5 years to examine this event and you still tried to downplay it.
go and look at the super smash community it's worse
This aged well
Homosexuality is way more accepted now! Be free and just stop the hate :)
Wrong. She COULD have said something to combat the harassment, but it was not her responsibility to. You're really faulting HER for being harassed? What the hell is wrong with you? If she had spoken up, the harassment would have only increased. The fault lies solely with Aris and whoever else participated in tormenting this poor girl. There is zero excuse for such vile behavior, "competitive spirit" or otherwise. Gamers are better than this. We need to represent ourselves better.
even sherry jenix thinks she over-reacted about the whole situation
Snake PIissken even sherry jinx or JUST sherry jinx and maybe a few other people? I mean there is most of this comment section that seem to be on Super_Yan's side and the team at extra credits (who are a UA-cam channel dedicated to in depth analysis and advice on game design that have a large following and have proven time and time again to be extremely insightful). And also, who the hell is sherry jinx and why is sherry jinx's input important for this situation?
@@timothyclark58 yeah, and false accusations are always believed at first, what's your point? The truth is not discern by how many people agree on the same mentality, but on the facts. This is not sexual harassment, is a bunch of grown up idiots that think they are funny by doing childish jokes.
@@JesusProtects There are literally videos where you can see the harassment, this isn't a false accusation. Those 'jokes' are harassment, you're just downplaying them by calling them harmless jokes. This mindset and amount of tolerance for the harassment of OTHERS is what allows creeps to stay long enough to do worse. You shouldn't just let these things slide if you're going to be part of a community, especially if there are repeated offences
What a joke lol
Boo hoo.