My thoughts is that it is probably better to revise the Level 3 syllabus and Level 2 so the rope tricks are assessed and trained at L2 and the Level 3 could focus on supervision more.
Very well said. " Your safety should not come down to a dollar sign" $ Great topic Mikey, thank you. I keep saying to my peers, "What is your rescue plan, and show me how you're going to actually perform this" A pipe rack sounds like a serious challenge. I usually pick the biggest person to rescue at a training, that's the hardest, and best way to actually see if your "plan" works. Jim H.
Thank you, It's a hard topic to shine a light on. Because there is a lot of different views. But still, I'm totally undecided. You along with several others have had great ideas. But ya at the end of the day. Your team is only as good as the weakest worker and your rescue plan is only as effective as your level 3.
We absolutely do not need a lvl 4. We need a full training program like they have in France. If I'm not mistaken it's a 6 week program when you're done you have learned all the rope skills a level 3 has . Various work scenarios and a variety of introduction to tools. All this is done on mockup construction sites. It also includes stuff on confined spaces & different gasses you will encounter in the work arena. Rope Access can be taught to anyone that's interested but trades are not easy to teach. I always prefer having a person who has been a journeyman for 10 years then a climber who has worked at a climbing gym for the last 10 years. Lastly you can learn leadership qualities but leadership is something you are born with. That being said I believe every rope access technicians should strive to become a level 3 as to make your team more efficient but it doesn't mean you will be leading job's. I have to much to say on this subject for a short comment I apologize if I'm a little all-over the place. Drill hard or go home
Great input! Its all good. I was all over the the place in this episode myself. I have heard of some great responses today and love to see that. I cant say there is a right or wrong answer with this. But why jot get the conversation started. Cheers Mikey
I believe the Norwegian system, SOFT I think it’s called, has a good system whereby when you become a ‘3’ you then receive a L3 log book where you have to serve under another level 3 and learn how to supervise a job. Then after so many hours you become a full level 3. Also IRATA have been taking about a level 4 for years. I wished they’d just get on with doing something. They’ve been selling the same product for years.
I dont know anything about the SOFT system. But ive heard they have a Level 4. Ya, this isnt new, news. Im just shining a differ light on the conversation. Thank you for watching/commenting
Great conversation! From my teaching experience so far, I have seen the same things you have.more or less. People focus on the skills because that's the syllabus, but so little on the actual planning of a job, the rigging and rescue plan and all that. I do believe there had to be some sort of training and changing the current state of affairs and teach people more supervision skills than just rope "tricks".
Hey thank you for chiming in again! There are a long of moving parts but watching the comments. It seems like many people would rather organizations re-vamp the syllabus than add another course. That makes sense and spending more time looking at this with more peoples insight. Organizations need to re-vamp this program and the path forward.
My thoughts is that it is probably better to revise the Level 3 syllabus and Level 2 so the rope tricks are assessed and trained at L2 and the Level 3 could focus on supervision more.
I thought about that myself. It would also be an easier transition also…
Very well said. " Your safety should not come down to a dollar sign" $ Great topic Mikey, thank you. I keep saying to my peers, "What is your rescue plan, and show me how you're going to actually perform this" A pipe rack sounds like a serious challenge. I usually pick the biggest person to rescue at a training, that's the hardest, and best way to actually see if your "plan" works. Jim H.
Thank you, It's a hard topic to shine a light on. Because there is a lot of different views. But still, I'm totally undecided.
You along with several others have had great ideas.
But ya at the end of the day. Your team is only as good as the weakest worker and your rescue plan is only as effective as your level 3.
We absolutely do not need a lvl 4. We need a full training program like they have in France. If I'm not mistaken it's a 6 week program when you're done you have learned all the rope skills a level 3 has . Various work scenarios and a variety of introduction to tools. All this is done on mockup construction sites. It also includes stuff on confined spaces & different gasses you will encounter in the work arena.
Rope Access can be taught to anyone that's interested but trades are not easy to teach. I always prefer having a person who has been a journeyman for 10 years then a climber who has worked at a climbing gym for the last 10 years.
Lastly you can learn leadership qualities but leadership is something you are born with. That being said I believe every rope access technicians should strive to become a level 3 as to make your team more efficient but it doesn't mean you will be leading job's.
I have to much to say on this subject for a short comment I apologize if I'm a little all-over the place.
Drill hard or go home
Great input!
Its all good. I was all over the the place in this episode myself.
I have heard of some great responses today and love to see that.
I cant say there is a right or wrong answer with this. But why jot get the conversation started.
Cheers
Mikey
I believe the Norwegian system, SOFT I think it’s called, has a good system whereby when you become a ‘3’ you then receive a L3 log book where you have to serve under another level 3 and learn how to supervise a job. Then after so many hours you become a full level 3.
Also IRATA have been taking about a level 4 for years. I wished they’d just get on with doing something. They’ve been selling the same product for years.
I dont know anything about the SOFT system. But ive heard they have a Level 4.
Ya, this isnt new, news.
Im just shining a differ light on the conversation.
Thank you for watching/commenting
Great conversation!
From my teaching experience so far, I have seen the same things you have.more or less. People focus on the skills because that's the syllabus, but so little on the actual planning of a job, the rigging and rescue plan and all that. I do believe there had to be some sort of training and changing the current state of affairs and teach people more supervision skills than just rope "tricks".
Hey thank you for chiming in again!
There are a long of moving parts but watching the comments. It seems like many people would rather organizations re-vamp the syllabus than add another course.
That makes sense and spending more time looking at this with more peoples insight. Organizations need to re-vamp this program and the path forward.
Man management cannot be taught. People can either lead a job or they cannot it comes down to the individuals confidence, ability and experience.
Couldnt agree more.
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