Both the Driver and the Mom got extremely lucky, I am extremely happy that they were able to survive the incident. The driver of the Pendolino easily had no idea they were there and acted accordingly with the horn, then most definitely reacted to the worst case scenario, its not every day you have 2 guys in the 6 and 4 foot working on a voyager
2:50 MOM “because I hadn’t taken the block myself you are always a bit wary because we were trapped where we were”. WTF?? Why didn’t he call back the signaller and say “ please confirm the block is on the up fast? ‘
I know you posted this remark a while ago but with respect, safety critical comms were ALOT worse under BR than what they were when this happened, ie, TOTALY non exsistent! Im ex BR, now NR by the way. On track staff deaths are at their lowest ever. Cheers.
I was a senior picop I always double checked , and went of my way to keep everyone informed about issues .Having had to deal with many failed trains in my possessions over many years. With the stress of the job I have now left the industry for good. No support from the company I worked for network rail .I just decided to leave , the best decision in my live .
1:55 Doesn't matter. The driver agreed to contact the signaller FIRST, therefore he should have contacted the signaller FIRST. When Gemmell was asked to go onto the tracks without the driver contacting the signaller, he should've said NO and insisted on the signaller being contacted FIRST. Nuff said!
@PhillyProbe It's "5" for ECS. "4" is freights that can travel at up to 75mph. This seems to be mostly the signalman's fault for not ensuring that the Up Main was safe.
Is the Up Main the Up Fast or the Up Slow? I thought the incident took place on one of the slow lines and the Down Fast was blocked in error when it should have been one of the slow lines?
Holy shit! Those two guys were incredibly lucky. Whatever the trouble was with that train they shouldnt have been on the railway line. They should have stayed either on that northbound train or on the platform.
No not really. They were under the impression there had been a block put on that line so it should have been safe to check the train which they needed to be on that side to do.
They were alright to be on the track, but if they wanted to keep their backside, they should’ve followed the rule books and have sought for/made sure of possession of the adjacent track with the signaller too
formidable38 i think you may have to check your statistics i think you will find that since 2000 there have been 53 trackworker fatalities only 15 in the 90's 86 fatalities in the 80's all before privitisation
No probs. Drivers, signallers, maintenance, we're always on assessments for safety crit' comms now. Its drummed in pretty good lol. Everything is recorded on "voice tapes" so they know who to sack if the shit hits the fan! I reckon every year rules get tighter. The hierarchy are obsessed with safety in a big way. On my side if your caught by a train in a near miss, its zero tolerance and instant dismissal. Long gone are the days when you would get out when you saw the whites of the driver eyes!
The driver and I. Many thanks for the explanation of the acronym MOM kind stranger. The uploader should have mentioned that in the description for the rest of us railway noobs.
@@pauljordan4452 M.O.M is just the abbreviation. If you are a railway worker and you used this term then they’d most likely understand you, or otherwise just assume your referring to the Mobile Operations Manager. I too got confused by this at first
So I'm thinking the MOM is at fault here for not checking the block with the signaller, and the signaller for telling them he had the block when he hadn't and knew the train was approaching...Anyone know the outcome of the investigation?
all three of them are at fault the driver being askedby control to take the block out him self, the signaller taking the block out him self and giving vauge details about the block location what roads have been blocked at what time, the mom for just taking the drivers word for it, they all should have knowen better
@@billy4lifeify I think it would depend on things like how far an object sticks out (Just saying I’ve probably phrased this rlly badly bcs I don’t know how to put it). Example: The shape of the bogie might stick out to a certain extent. If someone happened to stand somewhere the bogie is going to run past, then they’d most likely get hit and dragged. BASICALLY you have to be standing in a certain position next to the train to get hit.
Wait, how come the empty train has a "1" at the start of it's recognition code? Surely local movement trains have a zero at the start of it's code? :-|
He sort of did, meaning that the driver was 50% sure it was safe to go onto the running line. However he wasn't clear enough, he was referring to another line, and instructed the Driver to call back once the MOM attended. He didn't because he thought that being 50% sure was safe enough. The point made by this video, is that being 50% sure is NOT anywhere near good enough when you're intending to go onto the track, You MUST be 100% sure before you go onto a running line, full stop.
He said he'd cleared everything behind the driver on the down fast, and he said he was going to run everything on the slow lines; he thought the driver was trying to avoid getting rear-ended, and the driver interpreted "everything" as everything in both directions rather than everything behind him.
the signaller toko the block out him self in his name then passed on vauge details of that block to the driver in going ive taken everyhting out behind you and put it on the slow line but he mentioned nothing about the ajcent road that still open and the driver failed to mention that to the signaller. when the mobile ops manager arrives the driver just says ive spoken to the signaller there is a block on and mom says whos got the block he says the signaller and the mom just takes his word for it they both get down on to the permant way and unknowly know that the adjacent line is still open with a pendo doing 125 towards them is is a huge misunderstnading. when talking to the signaller on the radio always come to a complete understanding what is to be done if your not sure ask the singaller to repete it and then repete it back then mom should have never taken the drivers word for it and should of phoned up the box him self. its like that chiltern train at stourbridge junction and stops right adjcent to the signal and no longer can see the aspect and then the driver asks a member of the public if the signal is showing a single yellow he should of gotten out and looked him self. sorry for the ramble but they should of knowen better
@@MarkPentler the service would being 1D26 (being a express passenger train ) but after terminating and detrain the passengers becoming 5D26 ( Going from a class 1 express passenger to a class 5 Empty coaching stock working )
Predominantly the Signaller. However the MOM definitely could've done better, and the Driver also had a culpable role in this incident, which could have been avoided had he been more careful and followed the Signallers instructions instead of doing his own thing. The lessons learnt are: ALWAYS be 100% sure that it is safe to do what you are doing on the railway, full stop, and that you MUST NOT do your own thing, instead you MUST follow all instructions given to you, especially by a Signaller.
@@MarkPentler he diverted trains from the down fast to the down slow to allow the line to remain open whilst the broken down train sat on the down fast. This is not a block, and certainly not of the up fast which is what the driver asked for. The diversion was only evidently on the down lines whilst both up lines remained open.
@@TheOnlyTYRE in the UK railway industry we have to use shortened names for safety critical staff especially if there are rookies or newbies who have just graduated from railway college
That actor embodied 95% of signallers perfectly 😂
Lol. I'm about to start my training. I'll try to remain cheery.
@@dmfub2348just don’t do this
Both the Driver and the Mom got extremely lucky, I am extremely happy that they were able to survive the incident. The driver of the Pendolino easily had no idea they were there and acted accordingly with the horn, then most definitely reacted to the worst case scenario, its not every day you have 2 guys in the 6 and 4 foot working on a voyager
Don't you mean vermin
OMG! These two men were really lucky - I'm glad for them they're still alive!
Yeah
3:45 that horn tho
The fear in the driver
XD
hi low- hi low hi
1:47
2:50 MOM “because I hadn’t taken the block myself you are always a bit wary because we were trapped where we were”. WTF?? Why didn’t he call back the signaller and say “ please confirm the block is on the up fast? ‘
William Stevenson was the London Euston-based Virgin Trains driver (now retired).
That's right. It's easy to assume and get into bad habits. i worked on the railway for twenty years, and each day was different.
3:49 holy crap
Ikr
Extremely lucky for sure.
I know you posted this remark a while ago but with respect, safety critical comms were ALOT worse under BR than what they were when this happened, ie, TOTALY non exsistent! Im ex BR, now NR by the way. On track staff deaths are at their lowest ever. Cheers.
I was a senior picop I always double checked , and went of my way to keep everyone informed about issues .Having had to deal with many failed trains in my possessions over many years. With the stress of the job I have now left the industry for good. No support from the company I worked for network rail .I just decided to leave , the best decision in my live .
1:55 Doesn't matter. The driver agreed to contact the signaller FIRST, therefore he should have contacted the signaller FIRST. When Gemmell was asked to go onto the tracks without the driver contacting the signaller, he should've said NO and insisted on the signaller being contacted FIRST. Nuff said!
Actually the Signaller did not put the block in place
@PhillyProbe It's "5" for ECS. "4" is freights that can travel at up to 75mph.
This seems to be mostly the signalman's fault for not ensuring that the Up Main was safe.
Is the Up Main the Up Fast or the Up Slow? I thought the incident took place on one of the slow lines and the Down Fast was blocked in error when it should have been one of the slow lines?
So lucky that’s a 125mph part as well
Holy shit! Those two guys were incredibly lucky. Whatever the trouble was with that train they shouldnt have been on the railway line. They should have stayed either on that northbound train or on the platform.
No not really. They were under the impression there had been a block put on that line so it should have been safe to check the train which they needed to be on that side to do.
They were alright to be on the track, but if they wanted to keep their backside, they should’ve followed the rule books and have sought for/made sure of possession of the adjacent track with the signaller too
formidable38 i think you may have to check your statistics i think you will find that since 2000 there have been 53 trackworker fatalities only 15 in the 90's 86 fatalities in the 80's all before privitisation
OMG UNBELIEVABLE AND UNREAL.THEY ARE BOTH VERY LUCKY TO BE ALIVE.BOTH MOM AND THE TRAIN 🚆 DRVER
The 2nd guy didn’t even lie down properly
The actor that plays the MOM in this film was in another network rail film
SHOULD CONFIRM AND DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE SIGNAL MAN. TO SAY THAT THE UP FAST LINE IS BLOCKED AND ITS SAFE TO GO ON THE UP FAST LINE
This is a reconstruction taken from the RED 15 video (made by the RSSB), not actual footage.
Crazy that the actors agreed to even reenact it
“You ready to go then” yeah once I have spoke to the signaller
I find there is sometimes a disconnect between what we are always taught in signaller protocols and reality.
Never thought I would see a "red" video on here, where did you get it from?
Greg Donaldson was in the bill
Why is this titled "Lucky Trackmen" when the people involved are a Driver, Mobile Operations Manager and a Signalman?
No probs. Drivers, signallers, maintenance, we're always on assessments for safety crit' comms now. Its drummed in pretty good lol. Everything is recorded on "voice tapes" so they know who to sack if the shit hits the fan! I reckon every year rules get tighter. The hierarchy are obsessed with safety in a big way. On my side if your caught by a train in a near miss, its zero tolerance and instant dismissal. Long gone are the days when you would get out when you saw the whites of the driver eyes!
Formidable38 I
THE DRIVER DIDNT KNOW WHAT A M.O.M WAS MOBILE OPERATIONS MANAGER
The driver and I. Many thanks for the explanation of the acronym MOM kind stranger. The uploader should have mentioned that in the description for the rest of us railway noobs.
@@doubledistilled Can be confused with the US term for mother, innit?
@@pauljordan4452 M.O.M is just the abbreviation. If you are a railway worker and you used this term then they’d most likely understand you, or otherwise just assume your referring to the Mobile Operations Manager. I too got confused by this at first
So I'm thinking the MOM is at fault here for not checking the block with the signaller, and the signaller for telling them he had the block when he hadn't and knew the train was approaching...Anyone know the outcome of the investigation?
all kept their jobs all made a training video about it
all three of them are at fault the driver being askedby control to take the block out him self, the signaller taking the block out him self and giving vauge details about the block location what roads have been blocked at what time, the mom for just taking the drivers word for it, they all should have knowen better
omg at 3:47 my heart came into my throught :o
Those guys were very lucky. If they didn't get out of the way in time then SPLAT! Game over. They're dead. (Sorry if I offended you)
you didnt. Thats what keeps people entertained
shows how dangerous the environment is for all rail staff and why they should be compensated properly for keeping the country moving
very good :)
what does the mom do and he said oh shit get down i would be thinking the same thing
See if that was an azuma they would've died because of the quiet horn.
yes azuma is very thin and not wide like a pendo so they would be fine
Idk why they put Quiet horns on Azuma it’s a stupid idea and yes they were very LUCKY!!
Not quiet to the point they cant hear it remember they are on the track in front of it
@@cam43002 Yes but then when I trainspot I can barely hear it running
Compare that to the 91 which has a loud cooling fan and can be heard more
@@OffTheRailsUK yes but your still going to hear the horn,tracks & the train
The signaller be like: "alright, i don't give a shlt".
3:46 shit get down
They indeed got down on their hands and knees between those trains.
I have a question , if that Pendolino passed although there under the voyager how come they didn’t get dragged under the virgin Pendolino ?
sheer and utter luck
@@billy4lifeify I think it would depend on things like how far an object sticks out (Just saying I’ve probably phrased this rlly badly bcs I don’t know how to put it).
Example:
The shape of the bogie might stick out to a certain extent. If someone happened to stand somewhere the bogie is going to run past, then they’d most likely get hit and dragged.
BASICALLY you have to be standing in a certain position next to the train to get hit.
@@AdamsTrains thanks for the addendum
@@billy4lifeify No problem 😉
Thanks
OMG so creepy just glad they edit get hit but it's still scary :'( Xx
I don’t think they actually got hit, thankfully, they were huddling next to the Voyager
Tom Proctor from The Bill
mom should have checked the blockage arrangements
bletchley jumpscare (i have to go on to this station nearly every trian r ide
@eezy1972
No.
I missed virgin trains
Is 5D26 still around or have they withdrawn it
5D26 would just be the train identity so could be used if required
How did they film this?????? Oooo
Wouldn’t it have been better to have stopped the failed train on the slow line instead of the fast? Or better still, shunted it into a siding?
Wait, how come the empty train has a "1" at the start of it's recognition code? Surely local movement trains have a zero at the start of it's code? :-|
I’m wondering when it became 5D26.
It was a Headcode 1 (express), but after detraining it got to a 5 (ECS).
A 0 only applies to full light engine i.e a locomotive only no stock
The final comment about “waiting for the bang bang” haunts me a little. Sounded from the tone like he’s hit people before 😢
2020?
im late wow
LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN MOM AND THE SIGNALMAN
Someones getting the sack
Hmmm think thats the signalmans fault somehow, he said he blocked it did he not?
He sort of did, meaning that the driver was 50% sure it was safe to go onto the running line. However he wasn't clear enough, he was referring to another line, and instructed the Driver to call back once the MOM attended. He didn't because he thought that being 50% sure was safe enough. The point made by this video, is that being 50% sure is NOT anywhere near good enough when you're intending to go onto the track, You MUST be 100% sure before you go onto a running line, full stop.
He said he'd cleared everything behind the driver on the down fast, and he said he was going to run everything on the slow lines; he thought the driver was trying to avoid getting rear-ended, and the driver interpreted "everything" as everything in both directions rather than everything behind him.
The signaller and the driver did not use the proper safety critical communication protocol it was too pally
Couldn't they hear an announcement that the next train does not stop here?
worst signaller ever
if i was the driver i would've asked the mom to phone the signaller lol
Ah, yes. I forgot it could also be "4" for ECS movements...
ECS is a Class 5 Train
yes it is but you wount be that bad if u came a train driver to do that are u? lol
Appalling voice comms
the signaller toko the block out him self in his name then passed on vauge details of that block to the driver in going ive taken everyhting out behind you and put it on the slow line but he mentioned nothing about the ajcent road that still open and the driver failed to mention that to the signaller. when the mobile ops manager arrives the driver just says ive spoken to the signaller there is a block on and mom says whos got the block he says the signaller and the mom just takes his word for it they both get down on to the permant way and unknowly know that the adjacent line is still open with a pendo doing 125 towards them is is a huge misunderstnading. when talking to the signaller on the radio always come to a complete understanding what is to be done if your not sure ask the singaller to repete it and then repete it back then mom should have never taken the drivers word for it and should of phoned up the box him self. its like that chiltern train at stourbridge junction and stops right adjcent to the signal and no longer can see the aspect and then the driver asks a member of the public if the signal is showing a single yellow he should of gotten out and looked him self. sorry for the ramble but they should of knowen better
I do want to mention that this is RSSB RED and not a real incident
The incident is real, ie it happened. This is just a reconstruction.
The driver of the Pendolino said persons instead of people
Can say persons too. Comes from Personal
nice.. 6 subs
SHIT GET DOWN WAHOOHOO
Greg Donaldson calls the train 1 delta 26 at the beginning of the clip but the driver calls it 5 delta 26 when he speaks to the signaler
+bob adams Empty coaching stock is 5 IIRC. Originally the train was 1D26, After detraining passengers it became 5D26.
@@nightw4tchman came to ask this myself after playing SimSig 😆
@@MarkPentler the service would being 1D26 (being a express passenger train ) but after terminating and detrain the passengers becoming 5D26 ( Going from a class 1 express passenger to a class 5 Empty coaching stock working )
@@steamfandan9682perfect thank you. Makes sense now after using head codes in SimSig a lot. Great game
All trains have a train service number like on lner the train going to London 1bravo24
Why does it say mom?
mobile operations manager
3:46 to 4:20
at 3:46 thats not funny its scared me if they been killed that was close
So who’s at fault
Predominantly the Signaller. However the MOM definitely could've done better, and the Driver also had a culpable role in this incident, which could have been avoided had he been more careful and followed the Signallers instructions instead of doing his own thing. The lessons learnt are: ALWAYS be 100% sure that it is safe to do what you are doing on the railway, full stop, and that you MUST NOT do your own thing, instead you MUST follow all instructions given to you, especially by a Signaller.
@@PottersVideos2 the signaller should have followed railway safety protocol and confirmed which line(s) were blocked
@@PottersVideos2 So the driver should trust the signaller, who basically admits he made a mistake in his interview?
It's not true. No
Well yes, it is true?
It is true
1:58 So was it the Up Fast and Down Fast that should have been blocked when it was in fact only the Down Fast was blocked?
2:10 What the fuck?
Another thought: What had the signaller ACTUALLY done? Like, if he pulled things to the slow lines then why was there a HST even on the Up Fast?
@@MarkPentler he diverted trains from the down fast to the down slow to allow the line to remain open whilst the broken down train sat on the down fast. This is not a block, and certainly not of the up fast which is what the driver asked for. The diversion was only evidently on the down lines whilst both up lines remained open.
In English would be good.
It was English You Twat.
obnoxious entitled yank.
@@TheOnlyTYRE in the UK railway industry we have to use shortened names for safety critical staff especially if there are rookies or newbies who have just graduated from railway college
3:47 shit get down
HERRRHEHHHOHHHH NEOWM NEOWM NEOWM