@@darkdraconis the issue is these zelda and peach players suck at the game compared to the steve / sonic players. so yes the final smash is broken but they are already down 2 stocks when they hit it.
I was just going to say as a Peach main who can execute complex combos, knows the advantage state, and is hard to catch in neutral, having a button that automatically wins ledge trap by sleeping them offstage was THE REASON my friends banned us from using Smash Meter years ago. We haven't seen it since
From my point of view, the Spargo VS Leo rivalry has been closer, I rarely saw one go over the other. While Tweek vs Leo has 2 stages, Leo beating Tweek and then Tweek beating Leo. Here I definitely feel that one is usually superior to the other, with many games of 5, but at the end of the match you can see the difference in level between one and the other. Likewise, both rivalries are very iconic at different times of the game.
@@Gran_Ove Thats not really true though, at one point the set record was 10-3 in Mkleos favour vs Sparg0 before it started getting more competitive - in the same amount of sets, the set record was 9-4 in Leos favour vs Tweek (or 10-3 if you decide to count a prelocal set where Leo went Mewtwo) Both Tweek/Sparg0 went through the "loses to Leo most of the time" phase, for some reason though people ignore that Leos record against Sparg0 has always been one sided too and most of the time was even more one sided than his record vs Tweek
@@hl1272mk leo doesn’t know how to play match ups against non top tiers. He studies how to play match ups so much just not the uncommon characters. Certain characters he is absolutely awful against. Mario for example
I mean with current state of the meta, i would rather have other stupid characters than sonic and steve. If Final smashes means more matches like this and less steve and sonic im all for it
Last night in coinbox, HBox showed a graphic tweeted by someone. It broke down the characters used in the top 64. There were 6 Steve and 5 Kazuya but only 2 Sonic. That's pretty typical of a usual coinbox anyway. The biggest difference in this coinbox was that 2 Peach also made top 8, which never really happens otherwise.
smash meter on actually adds so much to the game. It's like suddenly everyone has knockout punch. It can be used a tool to pressure opponents into undesirable options and states. The fear factor of it is wild. That, and also, you might have had a broken character in regular smash, but smash meter on might change things entirely. I'd love to see a tier list for final smash meter smash ultimate.
I don't think final smashes should be legalized for all tournaments by any means but for this format (coinbox/online tournaments), why the hell not do it on occasion? I love the experimentation we get.
This ain't clickbait at all this IS a must watch for real. So hype coming from my two favorite players. There were some crazy moments like that gimp from Game 2, and not to mention the anticipation for the Grab Release into FS....
I love hearing people commenting on how cool the final smashes look. They’ve been playing and watching this game so long, but it’s like they’re seeing this kinda thing for the first time.
Trademarked this day June 27th 2024 at 1:27pm PDT, Leo has what I call “The Leo Zone”, once he taps into it there’s no way he’s losing just as you saw in game two. Amazing game, phenomenal gameplay from both 👏🏼
meter smash always been viable IMHO since the drop of the game, but to get regions to get onboard was so hard... even 3v3 goes mad harddddd in SSBU but again ... the community be super tight on the rules ... and as an OG organizer i felt like it was a biggggg super entertaining super WELCOMING way to build the competitive scene ... but hey smash had its competitive time and it was great.
I got an idea for the next smash game. Have FS Meter be customizable. Where you can customize how fast and slow you can gain/lose the meter over Time. And the option to have it pop after a certain amount of stocks lost. Idk if I'm explaining it right, but it could look something like FS Meter: On - Type: Timer - Time: 1-99 min. - Speed: Slow-Normal-Fast *The speed could be based on how much time passes and allow everyone to get Meter after every 1(+) minutes. Or FS Meter: On - Type: Stocks - Stocks: 1-99 -> (or LAST Stock)
I personally feel that seeing Final Smash once per game is more hype. Seeing it too often just takes away from its "finality" if that makes sense. To reduce FS meter gain: 1. Turn on Custom mode 2. Everyone equip the same stat figurine Notes: Stat figurine must have balanced stats to not affect knockback and damage. Stat figurine must be equipped with the item that slows others' final smash meter.
I think you should keep FS for the future, at least long enough to figure out what needs to be banned. Peach FS is definitely overpowered right now but its always possible one good player figures out how to get around it and make it useless. Takes time to figure this stuff out.
Yeah the title ain’t clickbait, you have to watch this
Real
And then the title changed lul
original title was:
“YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO”
paraphrasing-saw it yesterday.
It is clickbait, the real Leo is in Hawaii.
100%
That Footstool was savage lmao
when I saw your comment I felt super tripped out because I thought you were me. We have the same pfps lol
@@o-mega7515 when I saw your comment I felt super tripped out because I thought you were me. We don't have the sam pfp I just like hollow knight.
Based
@@ein_leune8474 when i saw your reply i felt super tripped out because im under the influence of every illegal substance at once
i see leo, sparg0, final smash meter on, didnt even need to tell me to watch this
This match was like a full blown DBZ fight between the dodging limits and hitting clutch final smashes. So epic
Nah bro smash meter feels like fresh air at this point in smash, there should at least a 8 people invitational or something with final smashes
Yea I love the meter, I just hate that it goes away, why not let it sit like other fighting game meters?
Now this is how ultimate is supposed to be played
You say that because both characters don't have a broken ass FS.
Peach on the other hand...
@@darkdraconis the issue is these zelda and peach players suck at the game compared to the steve / sonic players. so yes the final smash is broken but they are already down 2 stocks when they hit it.
I was just going to say as a Peach main who can execute complex combos, knows the advantage state, and is hard to catch in neutral, having a button that automatically wins ledge trap by sleeping them offstage was THE REASON my friends banned us from using Smash Meter years ago. We haven't seen it since
With items?
@@johnmarkson1998 right, because there are absolutely no peach and zelda players in the top 50. Like muteace doesn't even exist huh?
this is truly the most ultimate smash
Tweek vs MKLeo was definitely the best rivalry in smash Ultimate
100%, Hbox probably knows that too he was just trying to hype this set up
Not a rivalry mkleo was always much better
From my point of view, the Spargo VS Leo rivalry has been closer, I rarely saw one go over the other.
While Tweek vs Leo has 2 stages, Leo beating Tweek and then Tweek beating Leo. Here I definitely feel that one is usually superior to the other, with many games of 5, but at the end of the match you can see the difference in level between one and the other.
Likewise, both rivalries are very iconic at different times of the game.
@@Gran_Ove Thats not really true though, at one point the set record was 10-3 in Mkleos favour vs Sparg0 before it started getting more competitive - in the same amount of sets, the set record was 9-4 in Leos favour vs Tweek (or 10-3 if you decide to count a prelocal set where Leo went Mewtwo)
Both Tweek/Sparg0 went through the "loses to Leo most of the time" phase, for some reason though people ignore that Leos record against Sparg0 has always been one sided too and most of the time was even more one sided than his record vs Tweek
@@hl1272mk leo doesn’t know how to play match ups against non top tiers. He studies how to play match ups so much just not the uncommon characters. Certain characters he is absolutely awful against. Mario for example
5:45 This is one of the most hype things I've seen in a while
Okay this set is legendary
I wish SO BAD that FS meter could be balanced as a competitively viable mechanic lol
I mean with current state of the meta, i would rather have other stupid characters than sonic and steve. If Final smashes means more matches like this and less steve and sonic im all for it
Last night in coinbox, HBox showed a graphic tweeted by someone. It broke down the characters used in the top 64. There were 6 Steve and 5 Kazuya but only 2 Sonic. That's pretty typical of a usual coinbox anyway. The biggest difference in this coinbox was that 2 Peach also made top 8, which never really happens otherwise.
I’d say try another. I’m down to watch if they’re down to play fr fr
Would never happen in the same universe as unchanged Zelda final smash.
smash meter on actually adds so much to the game. It's like suddenly everyone has knockout punch. It can be used a tool to pressure opponents into undesirable options and states. The fear factor of it is wild. That, and also, you might have had a broken character in regular smash, but smash meter on might change things entirely.
I'd love to see a tier list for final smash meter smash ultimate.
The FS meter is a fun mechanic but it definitely comes online too much.
Agreed. If it was like 50-60% speed I think it'd be perfect.
I think if it filled half as fast and expired 3 times slower it would be perfect
This is the hype at tournament match ever mkleo vs sparg0 never disappoint
These two are the only players who actually keep me on the edge of my seat when they're playing against each other. Their sets are always nuts.
I don't think final smashes should be legalized for all tournaments by any means but for this format (coinbox/online tournaments), why the hell not do it on occasion? I love the experimentation we get.
this should be the definitive smash ruleset
Every game would be so intense if this happens
@@isuck6049nah, i think the meta would develop into camping until you get meter
@@isuck6049 FINALLY a competitive tournament without camping.
edit: wait nvm it's campier but hyper.
@@turiip3790 I don't think you know how Final Smash Meter works.
This surprisingly makes Ultimate fun to watch.
it took us six years to make this game more hype than it already is
This was the most hype smash set I’ve watched this year 😂
5:53, The greatest footstool of all time
This ain't clickbait at all this IS a must watch for real. So hype coming from my two favorite players. There were some crazy moments like that gimp from Game 2, and not to mention the anticipation for the Grab Release into FS....
say no more hbox ill watch this set til the day i die man
the only bad thing is that this wasn't a Best of Five
1:50 Spargo with Limit and Final Smash is probably the scariest thing I've seen my whole life.
One of the best matches to ever exist change my mind
This is hype af dude. More FS matches!!
Such a great set. GGs to both
This was one of the most fire sets I've seen in a while, honestly this fs meter was hype as shit
This format is really cool aswell wish to see more of it
Perfect timing i was about to take my nightly dump and needed something to watch🔥
Historically we have great rivalries like Goku and Vegeta, Naruto and Sasuke, but I think Leo vs Spargo is one of my favorites currently
I love hearing people commenting on how cool the final smashes look. They’ve been playing and watching this game so long, but it’s like they’re seeing this kinda thing for the first time.
Every time they play I remember that really cool artwork of Byleth and Cloud walking up on each other like Jojo characters.
That whole fight had my heart racing dude. Amazing fight.
As a cloud main it is nostalgic seeing cloud final smash again.
I must say these final smash tourneys have been very interesting, they offer an opportunity for comebacks and cool moments
What a set. Great idea for a new ruleset.
as a viewer this format is really sick
This was unironically one of the best sets I've seen across any mode of Smash Ultimate
Best Smash I've seen in years. FSM really bringing life back to the game??
so dope. felt like this should be a 4 stock rule set tho with how fast these stocks were getting eviscerated
I’d be so curious to see how the tier list would shift if final smash meter was on.
Leave it up to MkLeo to almost pull off the comeback of the century
6:44 that read was insane
This is so good
That was fun to watch.
Gotta watch the stream with chat. Just glad to see someone using Cloud at a high level.
My god, this set was amazing.
crazy set holy
Fire match such a close game
honestly this reminds me of ultimate 2020 and im all for it
I almost wish this tournament never happened, because now every Ultimate event going forward is going to feel less exciting.
Between this and Cody and Zain Hbox is bringing absolute heat lately
FS meter is so refreshing to watch as a viewer, game is really stale rn so I hope it becomes a more widespread thing
Hbox, please, more tourneys with final smash!!
Ultimate is the only game that has updates without online patches!
Thx Hungrybox to trying keeping this great game alive. This video was great
Hbox's energy just intensifies the hype lmao
0:53 back air + cross slash the last hit of cross slash can be spot dodge if you are prepare even with spam spot dodge
Trademarked this day June 27th 2024 at 1:27pm PDT, Leo has what I call “The Leo Zone”, once he taps into it there’s no way he’s losing just as you saw in game two. Amazing game, phenomenal gameplay from both 👏🏼
When did they start allowing Final Smash moves in tournaments?
I’m just disappointed we never saw the peak final smash win screen :’)
I was hoping MKLeo would win with it just so we could see it in an actual tourney. Joker's final smash screen is so fucking cool.
Final smash in tournament highkey makes this game more enjoyable to watch
FINAL SMASH ACTUALLY SO FIREEEE
Ok im convinced Final smash is hype af
The very best of smash ultimate. Really hope nintendo ask to this guys how they would like the next smash bros to be made
footstool was disgusting but the fukken 6:43 drifting rebel's guard to call out the mash and extend advantage is the cleanest shit
Always is good look Mkleo vs Sparg0 goats
Really like this format Hbox! Keep trying different rulesets (items, stages, etc.) its really fun
These guys were guaranteed high AF.
9.99999 out ten set lord that footstool
THAT FOOTSTOOL
You should do smashbal next. it would be fun to see them fight over chasing it
you see this and then you cry of excitement.
you see actual smash (steves and sonic) and you cry of dep ress_ ion
Goats
meter smash always been viable IMHO since the drop of the game, but to get regions to get onboard was so hard... even 3v3 goes mad harddddd in SSBU but again ... the community be super tight on the rules ... and as an OG organizer i felt like it was a biggggg super entertaining super WELCOMING way to build the competitive scene ... but hey smash had its competitive time and it was great.
I did not know that apparently Sparg0 is closer to me than I thought :00
LETS GOOO. the true GOAT wins
Maybe more tourneys with final smash in the ruleset could make the game a bit more interesting again
The true greatest rivalry of smash was Leo vs Tweek
First time all summer lol it’s only been 6 or 7 days of summer.
Real title
I think with meter on we need to up to 4 or 5 stocks maybe? It still feels like if you miss you've lost with only 3 stocks. It's still hype AF tho
Que batalla más épica 😄
I WATCHED THIS LIVE AND IT WAS SO HYPE YOU WERE RIGHT FINAL SMASHES OMGGGGGGGGGGG 𝗛𝗬𝗣𝗘
That was the gg footstool game 2
Final Smash Meter should by 4 stocks to account for potential jank, that could balance it despite how broken some of them are
hbox has to do a giant mode tourney, also apple reviewer the goat
Is it really a tournament without Sparg0 and MKLeo?
MKLeo Tweek don't forget it
This ruleset might have some legs, ya know…
I fully support competetive Smash with items, final smashes or some other wonkiness.
This video got me out of bed 🛏️
I got an idea for the next smash game. Have FS Meter be customizable. Where you can customize how fast and slow you can gain/lose the meter over Time.
And the option to have it pop after a certain amount of stocks lost.
Idk if I'm explaining it right, but it could look something like
FS Meter: On
- Type: Timer
- Time: 1-99 min.
- Speed: Slow-Normal-Fast
*The speed could be based on how much time passes and allow everyone to get Meter after every 1(+) minutes.
Or
FS Meter: On
- Type: Stocks
- Stocks: 1-99 -> (or LAST Stock)
I personally feel that seeing Final Smash once per game is more hype. Seeing it too often just takes away from its "finality" if that makes sense.
To reduce FS meter gain:
1. Turn on Custom mode
2. Everyone equip the same stat figurine
Notes:
Stat figurine must have balanced stats to not affect knockback and damage.
Stat figurine must be equipped with the item that slows others' final smash meter.
Me : nice, a good ultimate set
*leo turns into a rainbow for some reason*
Me : wait
9seconds and 1 view? Bro popping off 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Imagine SF without meter or Tekken without rage art... We should have been using final smash since day 1.
I watched this live but it was to hype not to rewatch
Spargo Spargo Spargo
I think you should keep FS for the future, at least long enough to figure out what needs to be banned. Peach FS is definitely overpowered right now but its always possible one good player figures out how to get around it and make it useless. Takes time to figure this stuff out.