What Does the Mind Want?
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- A man wants to know what the mind wants by its constant seeking, avoiding and identifying with objects and experiences.
Rupert says: ‘The mind is always trying to bring itself to an end. What happens when the mind comes to an end is that the presence of being emerges or shines. The truth is that being shines all the time, but we don’t notice it because of the noise of the mind.
‘What we do here is to go directly to the experience that the mind is trying to evoke. We have no agenda whatsoever with the content of the mind. We don’t try to change, focus or discipline the mind. We don’t even try to bring the mind to an end through conventional meditation techniques because our being is not dependent on whether the mind is active or not. We just go directly to that which is prior to the mind, independent of it and already free.’
*This video is from one of Rupert’s in-person retreats at Garrison Institute, 8-15 October 2023. For more information on upcoming retreats (many of which can be attended online via livestream) go to:
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Timestamps:
0:00 What the Mind Wants
0:59 Identification with Thought
2:00 The Mind Tries to End Itself
3:30 Being Is Always Present
4:34 Don’t Try to End the Mind
5:30 Why the Mind Perpetuates Itself
6:36 The Mind in Service of Being
7:17 Why the Mind Seeks and Avoids
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I can sit alone for hours and let my mind flow freely from worldly things. No issues. However it all comes to an end because I have to interact with people when I work. I have to interact with friends and family. It’s definitely harder being around people when you’re trying to understand the true self and be at peace. Yet as I practice more and more I can find it easier to do even when people are around.
See the mind as a friend do not try to kill it just hear him. It's not really a bad thing...
That makes sense. The moment I see the mind as a friend (even see the mind as enemy) - in summary, whenever I see the mind operating as a mind - I don't seem to be identified with it and therefore can rest unattached. But who sees the mind as a friend or enemy? Isn't that just a subtler part of the mind? I aim more and more at just being and ignoring everything else because that give me this immense peace and rest.
Thoughts aren't the problem. Thought identification that creates a separate self that blocks the expression of awareness/true self is the problem.
What makes that a problem? What for is it a problem?
There is nothing but the expression of existence - being.
*God is the GREATEST, God is the GREATEST, God is the GREATEST, God is the GREATEST, none has the right to be worshipped except God, none are worthy of praise except God, I testify and bear witness that there is no god or deity or divinity but God, God is the Most Good, God is the Most Glorious, God is the Most Merciful, God is the Most Kind, God is the Most Generous, God is the Most Divine and Holy, God is the The Truth!*
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There is no such thing as a separate entity. I don't know what to even say, this is just retarded.
If you awake to permanent God-Consciousness (God literally comes Alive in you), the expression and be-ing of God will prevail no matter what. God will overcome you and fuck you up.
No imaginary separate self can stand in God's way lol.
If God actually becomes Alive in you, gets inside you, everything saying it's not God (disgusting) will get utterly destroyed, and you will recognize, submit and declare its God, that God is The Truth, and that God exists, totally.
A imaginary separate self and you say awareness or whatever. This is nonsense.
God will fuck you up if He gets His Hands on you and your imaginary separate self and your awareness thing.
Indeed, God has won. I have lost. In here, God is The King. Not me, but God. God has fuckt me up and totally Prevailed
O God! I love You and I fear You, and I submit to Your Will, and I obey You, and to You I prostrate and bow, and to You I pray.
I have submitted and surrendered
You are the King, and You are my Lord, and You are my God.
Therefore, O God, write me among the witnessers!
That I testify and bear witness that You Exists, that You are Consciousness, that none has the right to be worshipped except You, that none are worthy of praise except You, that You are the Most Great, that there is no god or deity or divinity but You, and that to You is our Return!v
@@monkeechild
Suffering
Right. Delusion is a cause of suffering. You can’t escape this through emptiness, only through wisdom.
The other day I was mad at my ex wife but while I was yelling at her I clearly heard an internal voice that was telling me "Are you really doing this"
Nice! 😊
We are doing it, but we are becoming more and more aware that its Our ego identity
Rupert speaks from a deep understanding from first hand experience. He is a true master.
❤
@JamesBS. Rupert hasn't explained anything, other than blaming a nonexistent entity. That is Duality.
If all activities are only the activities of consciouness and consciouness Alone, then, consciouness is the Only One doing anything and Only One responsible for all there Is.
There's no such thing as a mind with its own existence to do or undo anything. Let alone be blamed. This is a religious belief based on duality.
Rupert's model is a religious belief in duality, presented under the packaging of non-duality.
Under Rupert's religious ideology, the all good and all loving deity God of religion becomes an all peace and all happiness consciousness, and the devil becomes mind and finite mind. Same doctrine, Same belief, only different labels.
One can never be too careful, or be contemplative enough, when it comes to understanding the nature of Existence as Is in Itself.
You take good care of yourself!
@@joajoajbah well the moment something is expressed it can be interpreted a myriad of ways. The goal is to take what resonates or reject all content. All is well.
@@sunbeam9222 Of course not!
How about trying honesty?
How about honestly saying that consciouness is the Only there either to be praised or blamed. No one else. No devil, No mind, No finite mind. None whatsoever!
Religions cannot hold their deity responsible. How can an all loving deity bring so much sufferings and madness? Right? It must be the Devil that is responsible. Right? That is the beginning of self deception.
How can an all peaceful consciousness bring so much violence and madness? Right? It must be the mind that is responsible. Right?
The thousand concessions, contortions and distortions are only to perpetuate the false notions of some deity or consciouness.
Self deception is always full of ear candies. Sounding like a sweet poem to ear, only to end up deceiving oneself, others and ultimately Existence Itself.
Only under religious ideologies, can such madness and insanity get a free pass. Anything goes.
One can never be too careful, or contemplate enough when it's about the nature of Existence as Is in Itself.
You take good care!
@@sunbeam9222 Not at all!
How about trying honesty?
Why go on deceiving yourself?
You take good care of yourself!
Thanks again Rupert. Yet again you lead my mind to silent clarity, briefly, before it reaches out for the next thing, that never satisfies. It goes on and on and on and on. So tiring.
Reminds me of Ramana Maharshi saying his highest teaching was in silence. Oh to be able to stay there. An aspiration.
excellent questions, excellent answers...
At the end of every experience, there is peace
The presence and being that you are makes all things you create in the mind a possibility.
Quite gooood ❤
i like when he says ... awareness of being ..the source of mind is also the source of creativity... so when there is the unifying of mind with awareness.....the mind thinks/feels I can be anything I want ..😊...(paraphrased) @5:36
To sink into the Heart❤
Interesting. Course in Miracles, Tolle, etc. say the opposite ... that the mind is always trying to maintain ego and a separate identity to continue its existence.
Perhaps different terminology
I think what's happening is Rupert is talking about an ego that seeks a "spiritual outcome." So a student of spiritualism who has developed a "spiritual ego/mindset" is always trying to bring itself to an end (outcome) because it thinks making thoughts stop is "spiritual."
But, to stop thinking is not the aim of spiritualism. Spiritualism has no aim that the mind can understand. It's just the the silent and still Remembrance of Self 🙏
Maybe the Lower mind is looking for it in other places
@@JustSomeGuy2727The Self is shining just as brilliantly as a Thousands suns whether there are thoughts present or not
Staying with no thought is a cool yogic technique, but turning the movie off is not necessary to see the screen of Awareness
What an interesting observation. When you're in open sea carried on a wave, you may get a sense you're moving forward, then you realise you've been moving backwards the whole time when in fact, you've never moved an inch, the crest and trough created an illusion. Vibration. We can safely assume that stillness created illusion with a vibration. A vibration is mind. It doesn't want to come to an end. It's naturally dies down like a wave. A crest and trough
Could someone who participates in Rupert's retreat ask him what motivates mind to seek it's end?
Where does it get that idea from, so to speak?
Why isn't mind content with just being the way it is, without trying to end itself?
Because fundamentally, mind is empty. So I reply to this comment to mutate what i know (aka belief/state/experience).
The action right now (reply to your comment), is to also prevent too much entropy (aka other comments/beliefs) to my brain.
God > ive > Word > Word > Me > Idea (my comment to you about what i think is right).
p.s: Anyway, i hope this helps.
For Rupert the direct path seems simple, I am glad for him. But in my experience there is only one way to establish what he is talking about, in a way that is lasting, evolutionary, accessible and useable, consistently; that way is daily silent meditation, with no goal in mind, just being with the mind, the body in stillness, bringing the mind to a stop. It is possible to cognitively and intuitively grasp what Rupert is talking about, and one can do it for oneself so that it becomes part of one's daily life, through training.
What does it mean that the mind comes or wants to come to an end?
Both the question and response assume that the mind is real and existent. It is neither and all explanations of how it "works" are just as unreal. No one has ever seen or experienced "the mind". It is simply thought projecting itself into itself and "thinking" what it thinks is real. It is not a separate knowing entity. It has no power of its own. It is inert. Find out to whom the thoughts appear and you will find undivided Consciousness...the "unknown knower of all that is known" in very the place we mistakenly refer to as the "mind".
The mind is only language. No language no mind! No language no self awareness either!
This has to be the first Rupert video I’ve ever watched where I just do not get the conversation. More confused at the end than at the beginning?! My mind just does not question to this degree. I don’t even understand the question in the first place!
When questions get this flaky and abstract, I do wonder what God is trying to tell Rupert?!
Sad theyre editing and cutting off conversations and endings like this. Its not only the answer that im interested in, its also (besides introspection) the dynamic, meeting with and resolution for the questioner. And the authenticity of seeing things as they are. He was obviously not satisfied yet with the answer, and it seems like he felt he didnt get his point across to Rupert. They were in the middle of it, and we dont get to see how it lands in the questioner?
Hi! I was the questioner in this video. If I remember right, the very next thing anybody says after his last words in this video are from me: "Ok."
His last pointer about avoidance settled me into what he was telling me. I wasn't the kind of questioner who was expressing a wholly satisfied, empty mind in the moment of the question - more like a student asking something pertinent to take back to the drawing board. This was early in the retreat, and I felt that his response to my questions were like a serum working upon my mind in the ensuing days.
I agree, Rupert interrupted. Please don't interrupt, Rupert. These were some excellent questions.
@@zachbourque630 Ok, great to hear from you. Regardless, i think its strange to cut it out. Where you satisfied with the conversation? It seems to me you wanted to get some direct reflection on the notion of ego taking new form to maintain its existance, sort of hijacking natural consequences or expressions of ”Gods infinite being” as its own making?
@@JonatanAllgulin I asked Rupert what the mind sought in all its activity, creativity and identification. He was laser focused on that specific question. I deeply appreciated his responses and played them back in my mind a lot during the retreat.
I’ve come to understand my question was not so different than “Hi Rupert. I have a problem. I’m completely addicted to cigarettes.” Instead of asking “How do I quit?”, I asked “Why do I love cigarettes so much? What’s so great about them?” And his response would have been the same. It’s the fulfillment of the craving, and thus the falling away of the desire, that you love about cigarettes. That’s why you’re stuck on them, you love Truth, peace and transcendence so much. Just in an indirect, non-transcendent way.
I was supposing in myself that there was a different reason my mind sought all these different identifications and experiences, that I was running away from some identification or experience I deemed negative. So I asked him “alright, then what about why my mind is avoiding? What’s the game? Why does it do that?”
And he said it was the same game. It wants the peace of true nature, it’s just stuck in its indirect ways.
So he did answer my question, even as you pose it. It was how I asked the question that prompted his responses. He covers a very vast umbrella of experience with the simple pointing that all that is ever sought is the peace and happiness of our true nature.
@@zachbourque630 I'm not trying to spoil the party by any means.
But, in seeking the nature of Existence, we can really never be too careful.
It is quite shocking to me, how Rupert got his followers to question about mind, as if mind is some sort of an entity with its own volition to do or undo anything. This is duality.
The only One to be questioned should be consciousness Alone.
How is it possible for mind to do or undo anything, when mind itself is nothing other than the activity of consciousness Alone?
The Only One there that can do or undo, would be consciouness Alone. Isn't it?
There's no mind anytime, anywhere to do or undo anything.
A mind is not an entity, but, an activity of consciouness Itself. Consciousness was the one doing it all.
So, the only One that needs to be questioned is consciouness and consciouness Alone. Isn't it? Unless you believe in two separate selves with their own volition doing their own things.
This is a belief in duality, being presented under the label of non-duality. It's a belief that has its basis in the old religious ideology.
One can never be too careful, or be contemplative enough, when it comes to understanding the nature of Existence Itself.
You take good care of yourself!
Does anyone have any related writings pertaining to this topic? Also, what are everyone's thoughts on how this ending of the mind is also expressed in Buddhist thought? Thanks
Why do I not feel the same sense of happiness on the direct path of staying in the 'I am' sense compared to when the mind ceases its activity after completing tasks?
Maybe because you associate happiness with desire instead of peace.
Dopamine?
Maybe... when you're in "I am," you're not fully in "I am," maybe intellectually in the "I am" more than experiencing "I am." And maybe because at the end of a task, you're actually getting ego satisfaction so that the "happiness" you experience is actually pleasure (dopamine as the other dude said).
Peace and happiness , the mind wants this . I accept . Dear goodness show me how to let it in .
Are you just putting on a show, or do you really want to know?
@@Kube_Dog I do . But I also ask for correction in my mind and the will and grace to make it happen .
@@Aum_shantishantishanti111 You're using too many words. Too many words that mean little and convey reassuring holy-sounding feelings, which is where you get lost. It's not in the feelings, it's not about more feelings, it's about shedding the words and the feelings.
@@Kube_Dog yea I don’t really know what to do anymore some days , I say these “nice sounding words “ because at times it stirs up devotion which is important . I’m actually at a meditation retreat and I’m still pretty miserable so there’a that . All part of the process I guess.
Because fundamentally, mind is empty. So I reply to this comment to mutate what i know (aka belief/state/experience).
The action right now (reply to your comment), is to also prevent too much entropy (aka other comments/beliefs) to my brain.
God > ive > Word > Word > Me > Idea (my comment to you about what i think is right).
p.s: Anyway, i hope this helps.
Got reminded of the MeSeeks episode of Rick & Morty :)
Rupert i have a constant issue dealing with unkind people. There nasty behaviours clings on my conscience. Help ?
Fixating on others is an addictive distraction from waking yourself up. You want to recognize dangerous people and stay away, but you don't want to fixate on them. That just consumes your attention/awareness like chasing money, sex, power, drugs, food, entertainment, etc.
@@Kube_DogTrue. Thank you
GI Joe with the kung foo grip...at least when I was 10.😂
My goodness, Rupert Spira is looking like such a hunk. He's quite handsome too.
This is very confusing ! The mind in this head doesn't seem to want to come to an end ! It has me in stitches some days, quite chaotic, worth leaving alone .
How to know what the mind wants? Seems trying to ask it, causes it to go silent?
You is always at peace in the background. Let the mind have his fits it doesn't need you for any of that, go chill with the real you. It's always there in the background, happy to give you a seat.
You can think of the mind as a pack dog, a good beta dog, who tries to step up an be the alpha when you're not doing the job. But it's not made to be the alpha. It's not a perfect analogy at all, so don't carry it too far.
@@Kube_Dog great analogy !
How can we tell if it’s our mind thinking or our true self appearing? When we have self talks is that the mind? And when we sit there with a blank space is that our true nature?
5:09 we go to that which is free of and prior to mind and independent of it. We have no agenda with the content of the mind, we don't try to focus it, discipline it...
Well that's only half the explanation, why cut it off like that?
Exactly!
I have found out that mind doesn't have life of it's own it just comes along with our identification. If our identity is real, awakened it is just wonderful servant. But if our identity is to some extent under Maya, illusion, this creates fixations and mind behaves accordingly...✌️ 😁 ♥️
Yeah it is for us people difficult to understand that there is nothing other...yet without the play of duality there would be no life, no beauty of opposites, no contrast🙋♂️💯
4 the Charakter here, it,s about remembering my childhood thots ..xactly along These lines...n, it,s a beautiful thing 2 c the 60,s vibe Generation merging with the younger Generation n their vibe
I get what questioner is saying. On this rare occasion Rupert has incorrectly interpreted the questioners valid concern. Of course I may be wrong.
Ehh... saying it wants to "end itself" is a rather crude way to put it, IMO. In a way I see what Rupert's saying- but a better way would be to say that what the mind wants is a return to the divine Telos of the One (the drive towards happiness, truth, beauty, etc.).
Of course it can never do this, at least not fully.
👁️ the sense mind lS the instrument to Be Used By The SPIRIT Where Only The TRUE Creativity lS🌅Thus As The SPIRIT COMES into FOREGROUND The SPIRIT brings the sense mind ' out of the W a y ' to Become As the CLEAR Transparentcy for The SPIRITUAL Purpose or The Specific Creative Expression of The SPIRIT.
The Same Example lS analogous to The
L🌅i g h t that Fills the Empty g l o b e with its L💡i g h t The G l o b e BECOME invisible and 'Only' The L🌅 i g h t Shines Through As The empty g l o b e BECOME consumed by The L💡i g h t so the sense mind lS consumed or Filled FULL by The SPIRIT🙏
I strongly disagree with Rupert's assertion that resting in "I am" is equivalent to nirvana or our true self. While it may provide temporary comfort to those who are suffering, it falls short of the true meaning of Nirvana. The "I am" sense within us is merely a reflection of our true essence.
Although resting in "I am" can serve as a starting point on the path towards enlightenment, it is not the final destination. In this state, the "I am" sense transforms into a "non-being" sense, but there is still some level of awareness present. However, beyond this stage lies a state of absolute Nothingness where we are devoid of any presence or consciousness. This state can only be experienced when we are asleep or dead, and it represents our true nature.
It is precisely this sort of explaining that all my instincts scream self absorbed. Be better to help other people than get so wrapped up in how you are getting on . This is what makes me feel so uncomfortable about all this explaining. By complete contrast Jesus chose not to explain, but encouraged when he came across those not far from the Kingdom of Heaven. Even writing this someone may choose to disagree and round and round we go.
So is our true nature just knowing? Who or What is it that knows you are in deep sleep? 🙏
Some simple practical examples might help people instead of these rather sterile explanations. For example when I bird watch through binoculars I often experience seeing with no thought. The more you just look the mind is totally clear. Or in sport they talk about being in the zone...same thing...no gap filled by thought between seeing and action.
.."deep's leap"...
..😅😅😂🤜🤛...
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So fucking abstract
Well; it is. Buddhism & Hinduism seek Truth; so they go after that which is permanent. They go after, "What was never born & never dies?" & reach for enlightenment.
The Judao-Christian approach seeks Love, not Truth & Love is based on relationships, which aren't permanent. You might like a clip titled, "Why are we here?" by rabbi Mannis Freidman. Relationships are something we have all experienced, or we would die as infants. Someone has to take care of a baby, or it dies. It's far less abstract.
The thing is; Truth brought to fullness becomes Love & Love brought to Fullness becomes Truth. I think both teachers are great teachers. We can each start out whatever way we want to.
The rabbi is filled w humor. Rupert is filled w peace. I've seen clips of Ramana Maharsi where he doesn't bother to brush away insects that bite him because he was so detached from the body . . . .
I do think the Love paths offer more solutions to this grieving world exactly because the Truth paths are so abstract. You can retire to solitude in a mountain cave to do the Truth & permanence paths, but only if someone loved you when you were a baby.
Check out the rabbi's clip. You might like it. Both teachers discuss how the ego interferes with being spiritual.
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The mind cant bring itself to anything nor want anything because the mind is not a physical source and therefore cannot implement wanting. The mind is just the facility of consciousness and consciousness is non physical also. Both mind and consciousness plus thought are all non physical and require the physical brain faculty to be implemented in by the physical source within that formed initially at its inception at an epoch for one s initial lineage.
That means you were initially FORMED not BORN. Your Form within ie your Real Presence, your Being, your " I am " implemented it's mind, consciousness tools so as to be aware of it's, the Presence, surrounds.
The Mind cant want anything because it's the Physical Source Presence within that is Prompting the wanting. Basically the mind cant manufacture anything nor store nor delete anything.
Thats the problem with so called teachers and Guru's etc, they do not have a clue how the intelligent species was initially FORMED not BORN.
...why sbub😅..😅...
When will rupert make transparent how much money he makes from all this"spiritual explaining?"
Why is that important?