Idk who is dumber, the passengers for riding an airline that bragged about flying in any weather, or the pilots who agreed to work for the airline that boasted like that.
@@thomasmills3934 I think it's unfair to call the passengers dumb, we don't know whether the passengers on Flight 7100 had known about this slogan or knew much about the nature of the airline. There's also the consideration that passengers simply booked flights on them because it was cheap or if their company had arranged to fly on the routes Manx2 "operated" services to.
A plane owned by a bank, leased to an airline, sub-leased to another airline, who sub-sub-leased it to Manx2, operated by pilots who work for another airline with registration in another country, going under a detached callsign... seems legit.
@@grmpEqweer yeah I think the goal of the company was to confuse people into giving up on investigating them. Determining ownership, employment status, registration, and record-keeping must have been a nightmare.
This is extremely similar to the Uber business strategy. The difference is Uber has stricter guidelines and their car doesn't fall out of the sky when they break down.
Oh, perfect example. And now to compare: imagine your front seat passenger used a stick to press on the pedals right next to you. This whole case has me a bit queasy because it isn't like it's the 70s. This isn't even that old.
Licensed the fonts? They didn't even license their pilots. But I will admit, you made me look, count and laugh. The typography choices are icing on the cake.
I feel like you've stolen a march on a lot of the other air disaster/airplane channels out there, as this is a case that I've never heard mentioned of anywhere else. The entire subcontractor mess is a real modern horror story, and this is definitely one of the most interesting air disaster videos I've ever seen - bravo.
I live right by Cork Airport and I remember that day. Sitting in the kitchen and helicopters suddenly were all over the place. So loud and deafening. Sure enough you turn on the news, sky or cnn news and here's the runway of Cork Airport and then my house as they circled around the place. So surreal and so sad this happened. Never really knew anything after the crash so this was great to watch and learn!
@Megan Dalton Rafferty I hope I won't offend you if I point out that there are a lot of peculiar people on the internet, and you have just told them your full name and where you live. :O
@@moviemad56 thanks for saying it. I never really said where I lived near the airport. There's a lot of housing around the place. Just commented on something I knew, nothing controversial so I didn't think twice using my main but I'll switch to my alt
How would anyone fall for it? Well, weather in the UK and Ireland leads to less-than-ideal visibility being the norm. Cancelations are all too common on flights within the isles, and plenty of people frustrated by this have the _perception_ of regional airlines as being over-cautious and refusing to fly in any sub-par weather even when it's still comfortably within the minimums.
I always think one day flying will be free from absurd safety breeches (whether via maintenance, experience, hardware, etc ), but as long as corporate greed/laziness exists I don't think that will ever truly be the case.
It’s because it’s short, concise and gives you a very simply way of understanding everything. Being that the videos are usually between 15-20 minutes it’s the perfect amount of time to keep you’re attention. If the videos were any longer people would lose interest. If they were any shorter it would feel like they rushed through it.
Sprint was Americas first hypersonic missile, reaching Mach -10 in a few seconds, in 1970. Now , 50 years later the Russians and the Chinese announce that they too have developed hypersonic missiles, 50 years after the Americans. Sprint was the centerpiece of the Nike-X system, In 1950 America had a super sonic missile.
Plenty of worse to ones. I didn’t know spirit was selling people’s seats right out from underneath their asses, then beating their ass and throwing them off the airplane.
I very much agree with the above comment. The video was well and factually narrated in a clear voice without using the unnecessary filler words that people are so fond of these days. Words such as, amazing, actually. basically. A very interesting video. Thanks.
This happened just two weeks after I moved away from Cork to France. I never had a pleasant take off or landing at that airport (could also have been the skill level of the Aer Lingus pilots, but they always landed properly in Paris CDG). So for someone who is afraid of flying, this was basically anxiety inducing for me. It was always stormy, always foggy and the flights over to France were usually in the morning, I think around 8 am if I remember correctly. We also always had delays for take off and on the flights in we always circled over Cork for a bit until the plane could land. Last time I flew to Cork was in 2016, I am not going to lie, I do not miss it. Dublin wasn't too pleasant either. The two times I flew from there, we had storms. The first one, the flight was delayed until the afternoon. The second one in the evening was cancelled by Lufthansa. They said they don't want to fly under such conditions. When we left the airport to go to the hotel Lufthansa provided, we still saw Ryan Air planes taking off. All the big airlines all decided to stay put, Lufthansa being the first one. Let's just say, paying more for the ticket was the better decision and I felt weirdly comfortable flying with Lufthansa instead of Ryan Air.
@@philipkeeling8647 So ‘bloody Ireland’ must control and have made the 681 feet elevation Leeds Bradford Airport and 622 feet elevation Bristol Airport then?
Thank you so much for your excellent explanation of this dreadful, so called airline. I think this is the actual aircraft that my wife & I flew from Gloucester Airport to IOM in 2010. As a person who came to the UK from a tiny Caribbean island, flying & aircraft have always held an interest. I so looked forward to this flight, billed as "flying as it used to be"! Yes, the first officer was loading the baggage & once we crawled, really, I am over 6ft. it is impossible to stand in the very narrow cabin, we were given the safety briefing by the same Spanish co-pilot as he knelt on the floor! Unbelievable . We made it to the Isle of Man, but suffered from the terrible noise of the Turbo prop engines. Our return flight was worse. A teenage boy was terrified & cried in much fear all the way back to Gloucester. Visibility seemed good but we had two missed approaches & fortunately made it on the third attempt. My wife, a poor passenger at the best of times, needed a strong drink on disembarkation. The Internet shows over 30 fatal crashes by this Aircraft. You have been warned.
That said, he mentioned in the end that the routes are now handled by Loganair, the airline that does flights from Inverness and flights to Bara (the island where a beach is an official airport), who've are a decently respected small airline. At the very least, they are on the radar in Scotland and known to handle small flights to the islands rather well, so hopefully that means flights to Man are of a better quality now.
@@Grort Manx Airlines were always fine, and I never really had a bad experience with Flybe (who operated to the island before they closed down and were resurrected) flying to or from the island either. Easyjet also fly to the Island. Quality of flights to and from the island aren't really a problem (more the quantity and choice of destinations which won't change because as noted it's far from a massive market).
I actually found the business model of this online and it confused the heck out of me because it wasn’t even an airline. It was a convoluted mess of different businesses with no structure at all.
An almost unbelievable story in so highly a regulated EU commercial aviation sphere. how could such a shoddy patch work of irregularities slip through unnoticed without an inspector sensing something amiss? If Manx had gone down as a company, then surely that should have been a tip off that "Manx2" deserved to be thoroughly looked at.
These are such amazing and horrific stories. But I love your presenting style. Very calm and level headed and tremendously informational. Thanks for your amazing work on these videos!
Brilliant video, I’m from Cork, and this accident was a huge disaster for us. There was never such a crash at Cork airport before this. My uncle worked at the airport at the time and was shocked at this accident. And now, 10 years on, I’m finally getting the story behind it! Thanks for covering this 👍
I had seen this crash on the Smithsonian channel and it was confusing how different airlines and a bank owned the plane and operated it. You gave a really great concise description of how it was all connected! Very much enjoyed your telling of this very sad and tragic crash.
I remember seeing this on RTE news that day. I was only 6 or 7 but I can remember it like it was yesterday. It was pretty surreal to see a crash in my home country. RIP to the people who died.
Unbelievable. It would be comedic if people hadn't died or were injured. No one affiliated with the airline, or the companies involved should ever work near a plane again. That's after prison.
I'm a new sub, I love your work. If you ever do a non flight disaster video based on airports that have weird runways I suggest Princess Juliana Airport in Sint Maarten(my paternal family are from both sides Dutch and French) I've flown there many times. You can practically wave at the beach goers from the plane I might have a few pics if I can find them if you decide on doing that type of video. Keep up the good work.
Always love checking your videos out! Thanks for the elaborate explanations!! (And I am sure that no single subscriber minds for the videos being longer as usual - I enjoy it so much that I hardly notice it!)
I was catching taxis a lot when Uber reached us here in NZ (leg inury, joy) and had some really interesting conversations with drivers about it...? There's significant levels of safeguards in place if you ride with taxi operators, at least here: full vehicle insurance, driver first aid & workplace safety training, thorough employee police checks, in-car security cameras, etc. It seemed at the time that Uber basically only had the background checks & nothing else, which gave me very low confidence to ever try and ride with their contractors...?
As someone from the Isle of Man, I have heard much about this flight so it is nice to see it covered. I have flown on both Manx 2 and Citywing, affectionately known by locals as s**tty wing. It is interesting to note that Citywing actually collapsed after it had its licence revoked by authorities for trying several times to land in storm conditions. When it landed, said flight wasn't able to taxi to the terminal due to the high winds. It's not the first time it had done that. A friend was on a flight that landed when all others had been called off and said it was a terrifying experience. Glad these "airlines" no longer service the island.
Also worth noting that these planes not only didn't have cabin crew, they didn't have toilets. So, if you got stuck circling and needed the loo you would be stuffed 😅
@@DisasterBreakdown Yep, Alexander is right on all accounts. I have been down with covid for the past 2 weeks and have mostly been confined to my room for the past few months, Saturdays I always make sure I have good food in front of me around the time you release a video.
You get a lot of these secondary airlines that are painted up in the livery of a major national carrier but are actually not and have been subcontracted to run shorter regional routes.Usually painted on in small lettering is the actual operator of the flight.
There was an episode of Air Crash Investigation (I think) which covered this crash. Somewhat predictably, the lead investigator was somewhat portrayed as a stereotypical Quite-Man character Oirishman - "Oh begosh and begorrah now Sur..." - rather insulting really. In fact, the actual investigation team conducted themselves as a top-level, world-standard investigation unit - asking the appropriate questions, drilling down and probing until they uncovered the answer(s) - full marks! They subsequently refused (and still do) to take part in any aspect of the docudrama out of respect for those who lost their lives. And yes, I'm Irish - I can assure you the standards required by the I.A.A. are high - VERY high; regulations tempered with common sense (Class 2 medical requirements for the P.P.L. for example). Just sayin'.
“With some background in aviation knowledge, you could tell it’s a spanish derived plane.” Or just because it has a 1.5 meter painted spanish flag at the back?
Also another pilot working for this supposedly airline committed suicide a short time after this crash due to feeling guilty over the death of the people on the plane that day. I have also flew on this exact plane from Isle of Man to Blackpool and it wasn’t a pleasant experience and had to have a few nips of whiskey to calm the nerves pre flight.
In principle, there is nothing wrong with the business model. The real issue is whether the sub-contractors are fully compliant with all legal requirements. If they are, we are essentially talking about long-term charters, with manx2 acting as a middleman between customer and operator. This is a business model which is many, many decades old. Incidentally even major airlines wet lease aircraft at need or lease their own aircraft from major financial institutions. It isn’t the legal or business models here but the integrity and experience of the parties involved.
this is basically the airline version of a small school-bus operator using some random cab companies shuttle-minibus... had those at the school I lived 40miles from the school (we were in the countryside) they were always late and made up time by blasting through small villages at 60+mph... the seatbelts, heaters, windows, etc., never worked properly either! saying that, I flew with CityWing once, bought the ticket via another operator, it was a wee-hours flight, Aberdeen-Edinburgh-London_Heathrow... not at all bad, really tiny plane, but took off despite the blizzard and made good time... did not have a clue it had any link to Manx2 (luckily, because I had already heard of this accident by that time)
I recommend stating flying requirements if important, because in the US you need 1500 hours to fly passenger for the most regional of airlines. That's because you need to earn a commercial pilot license, which could take just 500 hours. But then you need a certificate that stipulates 1500 hours flying time. The dude had 500. I can only imagine how difficult the landing was for him, because he needed 3 times the training and then lost all sense of his power. He likely heard or felt the left side was wrong, but couldn't react in time.
You have to wonder, would they have crashed if the runway numbers were painted as 16/34 instead of 17/35... it sounds as though on their approach, the runway suddenly became visible but their course heading was too far right, hence the FOs bank to the left and the Captains idle to left engine in an attempt to correct. The unintended overcompensation resulted in their crash. The throttle and control column should be operated by one pilot and never split between the crew
Many of those "unusual" things aren't all that unusual. Wet lease is common, as is airline being owned by a bank - both of these are commonly used by many large airlines. Pilots making safety demo is also an absolutely normal practice on commuter planes - there's no one else to do it since there is no cabin crew. Competence of the parties involved in this flight is another matter of course.
How these white collar crooks can operate is just crazy but if a bank is involved it is no surprise that they can 'run' free with no fear of the laws.......any of us who would do such things would be jailed and fined....Not these crooks..!!!!ENOUGH
EasyJet and AerLingus regional (Emerald Air currently, was a different carrier - Strobart air - prior to COVID) fly from the Isle of Man too. Have done for quite a while. Nice research....
@@DisasterBreakdown I'm a huge aviation fan especially when it comes to disaster and I'm subscribed to other disaster youtubers but this is the best. Hello from the UK also
It would be interesting if you could do a breakdown of the plane crash in the English Channel that killed Cardiff City footballer Emiliano Sala. There's a lot of similarities there, although to a smaller scale. Lots of people trying to save money and cutting corners, avoiding taking responsibility.
Wait. If the pilots worked for the company who sub-leased the plane, doesn't that mean they provided both the plane and the pilots? What did Flightline even do, then?
Oh hey my last few experiences (last being this year) with air serbia were nearly exactly as explained in the start of the video. The planes were not painted at all. The few people on crew didn't speak english or serbian, but they were all very, very young. It was wild. Considering that there are still complaints with flight delays popping up in the news, I believe it's still happening. Kinda curious on what's going on but, considering nobody here cares to document anything, doubt we'll find out.
They might've not been the one owning or operating the plane, but it was their name on the machine and it was them who sold the tickets. That should be enough to assure the planes are in reliable condition.
I live in the Isle of Man and used Manx 2 and City wing numerous times. They always felt a bit unprofessional and dodgy at the time. Logan air, Air lingus and EasyJet who operate now definitely feel far more professional
Chloe, your naming that Manx2 plane of the was: "seventy-one hundred" ...but in the beginning, it's written down as the _1700_. That's the 'seventeen hundred' instead. Which is / was it, please?
"With some background in aviation knowledge, you can identify this as a Spanish registered plane." Mate, don't need aviation knowledge to recognize a Spanish flag :p Love the videos though!
The plane was probably so confused by its ownership status, that it just flipped on its head…
That's the most tragically funny thing I've ever heard.
I found a business model of it and it was a complete mess of different organizations.
@@sicksadworld997 funny?
@@boeinthuziast not the plane accident, just the comment here.
What a messed up world we live in these days and even more disturbing people we have to deal with. God help us all!!!
If an airline boasted about flying under any weather conditions i would absolutely make sure never to fly with them....
Right? It's like a taxi service boasting that they get to destinations faster because they ignore stop signs.
For real... They really thought "Fly with us if you have a death wish!" was a good marketing strategy.
It’s all a matter of airplane and ground equipment.
Idk who is dumber, the passengers for riding an airline that bragged about flying in any weather, or the pilots who agreed to work for the airline that boasted like that.
@@thomasmills3934 I think it's unfair to call the passengers dumb, we don't know whether the passengers on Flight 7100 had known about this slogan or knew much about the nature of the airline. There's also the consideration that passengers simply booked flights on them because it was cheap or if their company had arranged to fly on the routes Manx2 "operated" services to.
A plane owned by a bank, leased to an airline, sub-leased to another airline, who sub-sub-leased it to Manx2, operated by pilots who work for another airline with registration in another country, going under a detached callsign... seems legit.
It's like money laundering. Only it's responsibility laundering.
ummm..yeah...exactly to the point. geeezzz
What could possibly go wrong?
No wonder this flight ended in disaster.
@@grmpEqweer yeah I think the goal of the company was to confuse people into giving up on investigating them. Determining ownership, employment status, registration, and record-keeping must have been a nightmare.
I love how when there is an accident no one owns the plane. But before the accident everyone wanted a piece of the action.
This is extremely similar to the Uber business strategy. The difference is Uber has stricter guidelines and their car doesn't fall out of the sky when they break down.
Yes indeed 👍🏾
😭😭
Oh, perfect example. And now to compare: imagine your front seat passenger used a stick to press on the pedals right next to you.
This whole case has me a bit queasy because it isn't like it's the 70s. This isn't even that old.
Bit more respect for the people involved, please. Read the AAIU report.
and exactly that subcontractor business strategy is what gives Uber so much trouble in Germany.
(In flight)
“What should we do, Captain?”
“Wait, Captain? Aren’t you the Captain?”
“But I thought YOU were the Captain??”
Somalian pirate bursts in the cockpit: "I'm the captain."
But if you’re the captain, and I’m the captain.... then who’s flying the plane?!?!
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Bahahaha!
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
Might actually be an improvement
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Hahahahah! I get it!
2:04 - There are SO MANY FONTS on that plane, good gravy. No wonder they went out of business, licensing so many fonts.
Licensed the fonts? They didn't even license their pilots.
But I will admit, you made me look, count and laugh. The typography choices are icing on the cake.
Don't think I will be going with an airline that brags about flying in fog.
I feel like you've stolen a march on a lot of the other air disaster/airplane channels out there, as this is a case that I've never heard mentioned of anywhere else. The entire subcontractor mess is a real modern horror story, and this is definitely one of the most interesting air disaster videos I've ever seen - bravo.
To be fair Mayday covered it a few years after it happened, ut good luck finding any Mayday clips of the ep in question...
Yes, but the gay ass narration still sucks balls. Huge balls.
@@kolasom b a l l s
This channel and TheFlightChannel are my 2 favorites when it comes to air crash disaster content
@@lukycharms9970 same
Never heard of this accident and never knew about "virtual airlines"
Interesting information on both. Thank you
I live right by Cork Airport and I remember that day. Sitting in the kitchen and helicopters suddenly were all over the place. So loud and deafening. Sure enough you turn on the news, sky or cnn news and here's the runway of Cork Airport and then my house as they circled around the place.
So surreal and so sad this happened. Never really knew anything after the crash so this was great to watch and learn!
@Megan Dalton Rafferty
I hope I won't offend you if I point out that there are a lot of peculiar people on the internet, and you have just told them your full name and where you live. :O
@@moviemad56 thanks for saying it. I never really said where I lived near the airport. There's a lot of housing around the place. Just commented on something I knew, nothing controversial so I didn't think twice using my main but I'll switch to my alt
@@MeGaN94100
Thanks. I've watched too many true crime videos on YT! :P
@@moviemad56 you might want to edit your comment with the name in view
What kind of tagline is that and how would anyone fall for it?
_"We'll fly in conditions that no one else would."_
How would anyone fall for it?
Well, weather in the UK and Ireland leads to less-than-ideal visibility being the norm. Cancelations are all too common on flights within the isles, and plenty of people frustrated by this have the _perception_ of regional airlines as being over-cautious and refusing to fly in any sub-par weather even when it's still comfortably within the minimums.
@@ZeldaTheSwordsman So, the answer is desperation?
I always think one day flying will be free from absurd safety breeches (whether via maintenance, experience, hardware, etc ), but as long as corporate greed/laziness exists I don't think that will ever truly be the case.
This was amazing! The level of research and detail is compelling. Thanks so much for an amazing piece of video journalism!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@DisasterBreakdown I give your channel a 10/10 for how amazing your channel is!
I don't know why I'm addicted to these videos but I know you make them perfectly 👌
It’s because it’s short, concise and gives you a very simply way of understanding everything. Being that the videos are usually between 15-20 minutes it’s the perfect amount of time to keep you’re attention. If the videos were any longer people would lose interest. If they were any shorter it would feel like they rushed through it.
I didn't know there was a worse airline than Spirit.
valuejet
Sprint was Americas first hypersonic missile, reaching Mach -10 in a few seconds, in 1970. Now , 50 years later the Russians and the Chinese announce that they too have developed hypersonic missiles, 50 years after the Americans.
Sprint was the centerpiece of the Nike-X system, In 1950 America had a super sonic missile.
@@halojump123 thats crazy but no one asked. Were talking about spirit air here
Plenty of worse to ones. I didn’t know spirit was selling people’s seats right out from underneath their asses, then beating their ass and throwing them off the airplane.
You mean SHITIT!
You are so well spoken I wish everybody that narrates videos like this could speak as good as you thank you for the great content
I very much agree with the above comment. The video was well and factually narrated in a clear voice without using the unnecessary filler words that people are so fond of these days. Words such as, amazing, actually. basically. A very interesting video. Thanks.
True though I can feel the rage from some Irish people for saying British Isles irish people hate that. I know because Im irish lol
This happened just two weeks after I moved away from Cork to France. I never had a pleasant take off or landing at that airport (could also have been the skill level of the Aer Lingus pilots, but they always landed properly in Paris CDG). So for someone who is afraid of flying, this was basically anxiety inducing for me. It was always stormy, always foggy and the flights over to France were usually in the morning, I think around 8 am if I remember correctly. We also always had delays for take off and on the flights in we always circled over Cork for a bit until the plane could land. Last time I flew to Cork was in 2016, I am not going to lie, I do not miss it.
Dublin wasn't too pleasant either. The two times I flew from there, we had storms. The first one, the flight was delayed until the afternoon. The second one in the evening was cancelled by Lufthansa. They said they don't want to fly under such conditions. When we left the airport to go to the hotel Lufthansa provided, we still saw Ryan Air planes taking off. All the big airlines all decided to stay put, Lufthansa being the first one. Let's just say, paying more for the ticket was the better decision and I felt weirdly comfortable flying with Lufthansa instead of Ryan Air.
Ryanair is known for their legendary hard landings. Never got the chance to try them out myself.😳
Gee who do you blame for stormy weather?
Only in Ireland is an airport built on top of a bloody hill. Landing in Cork isn't for the faint hearted
@@philipkeeling8647 So ‘bloody Ireland’ must control and have made the 681 feet elevation Leeds Bradford Airport and 622 feet elevation Bristol Airport then?
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 you one of them lot that read what you want to read. I said bloody hill, not Ireland. Calm down to a panic
As usual nobody was held to account, what a bunch of cowboys and the authorities just keeping an eye on them, scandalous. RIP to those who died.
If you buy a ticket for $30, you get what you pay for.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 That does not take away the fact that those responsible should be held to account.
@@greymark420 It definitely does. You get what you pay for. Remember that.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 if I buy the ticket for 1 or 30 it doesn't matter, both need to get me to the destination
@@greymark420 @Old Man Doing High Kicks Only In Black Socks if I buy the ticket for 1 or 30 it doesn't matter, both need to get me to the destination
Thank you so much for your excellent explanation of this dreadful, so called airline. I think this is the actual aircraft that my wife & I flew from Gloucester Airport to IOM in 2010. As a person who came to the UK from a tiny Caribbean island, flying & aircraft have always held an interest. I so looked forward to this flight, billed as "flying as it used to be"! Yes, the first officer was loading the baggage & once we crawled, really, I am over 6ft. it is impossible to stand in the very narrow cabin, we were given the safety briefing by the same Spanish co-pilot as he knelt on the floor! Unbelievable .
We made it to the Isle of Man, but suffered from the terrible noise of the Turbo prop engines. Our return flight was worse. A teenage boy was terrified & cried in much fear all the way back to Gloucester.
Visibility seemed good but we had two missed approaches & fortunately made it on the third attempt. My wife, a poor passenger at the best of times, needed a strong drink on disembarkation. The Internet shows over 30 fatal crashes by this Aircraft. You have been warned.
That said, he mentioned in the end that the routes are now handled by Loganair, the airline that does flights from Inverness and flights to Bara (the island where a beach is an official airport), who've are a decently respected small airline. At the very least, they are on the radar in Scotland and known to handle small flights to the islands rather well, so hopefully that means flights to Man are of a better quality now.
@@Grort Manx Airlines were always fine, and I never really had a bad experience with Flybe (who operated to the island before they closed down and were resurrected) flying to or from the island either. Easyjet also fly to the Island. Quality of flights to and from the island aren't really a problem (more the quantity and choice of destinations which won't change because as noted it's far from a massive market).
I actually found the business model of this online and it confused the heck out of me because it wasn’t even an airline. It was a convoluted mess of different businesses with no structure at all.
Sounds like there might have been illegal stuff going on as well. Inscrutable corporate structure is often used to hide crime.
'I'll do the pedals and you steer' is certainly one way to pilot a plane
even sadder is a pilot who left Manx2/Air LADA for Jet2 killed himself due to the guilt - he felt he could have saved everyone on board
An almost unbelievable story in so highly a regulated EU commercial aviation sphere. how could such a shoddy patch work of irregularities slip through unnoticed without an inspector sensing something amiss? If Manx had gone down as a company, then surely that should have been a tip off that "Manx2" deserved to be thoroughly looked at.
Plane Uber... except Uber has standards when it comes to one's car being relatively new...
...Create a ride share service for older cars. EWWber... The next ride is free if your driver's car breaks down!👍
These are such amazing and horrific stories. But I love your presenting style. Very calm and level headed and tremendously informational. Thanks for your amazing work on these videos!
Almost like Monty Python’s ‘Very fast Airlines’ “ nearly ready” as the pilot carries a tail through the departure lounge.
Brilliant video, I’m from Cork, and this accident was a huge disaster for us. There was never such a crash at Cork airport before this. My uncle worked at the airport at the time and was shocked at this accident. And now, 10 years on, I’m finally getting the story behind it! Thanks for covering this 👍
Longer videos are always better, in my humble opinion!
The investigators actually used a 3D laser scanner to show the plane’s trajectory and figure out the way it flipped over.
This guy definitely deserves more subscribers. I love the research and information he puts into the videos.
I had seen this crash on the Smithsonian channel and it was confusing how different airlines and a bank owned the plane and operated it. You gave a really great concise description of how it was all connected! Very much enjoyed your telling of this very sad and tragic crash.
I remember seeing this on RTE news that day. I was only 6 or 7 but I can remember it like it was yesterday. It was pretty surreal to see a crash in my home country. RIP to the people who died.
I flew with Manx2 who "operated" a Jetstream 31 out of Blackpool to the IOM, and even then it seemed dodgy.
having one pilot control the plane while another controls the throttle sounds like trying to sprint in a three legged race.
I hope you make the summary of Germanwing 9295 disaster.
Might want to do both Germanwings 9525 and LAM Mozambique 470 since Germanwings 9525 could have been prevented had the media talked more about LAM.
Unbelievable. It would be comedic if people hadn't died or were injured. No one affiliated with the airline, or the companies involved should ever work near a plane again. That's after prison.
I'm a new sub, I love your work. If you ever do a non flight disaster video based on airports that have weird runways I suggest Princess Juliana Airport in Sint Maarten(my paternal family are from both sides Dutch and French) I've flown there many times. You can practically wave at the beach goers from the plane I might have a few pics if I can find them if you decide on doing that type of video. Keep up the good work.
Always love checking your videos out! Thanks for the elaborate explanations!! (And I am sure that no single subscriber minds for the videos being longer as usual - I enjoy it so much that I hardly notice it!)
Remember that Uber also claimed to be only an 'app' producer not responsible for its drivers... 'they are contractors, not employees.'
I was catching taxis a lot when Uber reached us here in NZ (leg inury, joy) and had some really interesting conversations with drivers about it...? There's significant levels of safeguards in place if you ride with taxi operators, at least here: full vehicle insurance, driver first aid & workplace safety training, thorough employee police checks, in-car security cameras, etc. It seemed at the time that Uber basically only had the background checks & nothing else, which gave me very low confidence to ever try and ride with their contractors...?
As someone from the Isle of Man, I have heard much about this flight so it is nice to see it covered. I have flown on both Manx 2 and Citywing, affectionately known by locals as s**tty wing. It is interesting to note that Citywing actually collapsed after it had its licence revoked by authorities for trying several times to land in storm conditions. When it landed, said flight wasn't able to taxi to the terminal due to the high winds. It's not the first time it had done that. A friend was on a flight that landed when all others had been called off and said it was a terrifying experience. Glad these "airlines" no longer service the island.
Also worth noting that these planes not only didn't have cabin crew, they didn't have toilets. So, if you got stuck circling and needed the loo you would be stuffed 😅
Amazing videos and channel. You are the best at making these types of videos. Definitely gave me something to look forward to on saturdays. Keep it up
Wow, thank you!
@@DisasterBreakdown Yep, Alexander is right on all accounts. I have been down with covid for the past 2 weeks and have mostly been confined to my room for the past few months, Saturdays I always make sure I have good food in front of me around the time you release a video.
Did I miss it or was there no mention if the pilots were part of the 6 killed or part of the 6 who survived?
You get a lot of these secondary airlines that are painted up in the livery of a major national carrier but are actually not and have been subcontracted to run shorter regional routes.Usually painted on in small lettering is the actual operator of the flight.
Instead of calling that air carrier ‘FlightLine Airline’ they should have called it ‘Flatline Airline’ given the number of passengers they killed.
Rebranding should be made illegal for 5 years after an accident…
Great and interesting video. Please could you do a video on the El Al cargo plane which crashed into a block of flats in 1992.
Keep up the amazing work!
My favourite Manx tail number is G-LEGS and the Isle of Man flag features 3 legs radiating from a central point.
I've been bingeing these for weeks. Thank you for the in depth and accessible info. First time since I was a kid I've been excited about planes :)
So much JOY in the things I learn from this exceptional person
There was an episode of Air Crash Investigation (I think) which covered this crash. Somewhat predictably, the lead investigator was somewhat portrayed as a stereotypical Quite-Man character Oirishman - "Oh begosh and begorrah now Sur..." - rather insulting really. In fact, the actual investigation team conducted themselves as a top-level, world-standard investigation unit - asking the appropriate questions, drilling down and probing until they uncovered the answer(s) - full marks! They subsequently refused (and still do) to take part in any aspect of the docudrama out of respect for those who lost their lives. And yes, I'm Irish - I can assure you the standards required by the I.A.A. are high - VERY high; regulations tempered with common sense (Class 2 medical requirements for the P.P.L. for example). Just sayin'.
People: "Isn't false advertising, you know, illegal?"
Governments: "Well... I mean technically yes... But in reality no"
It really seems to depend on the money. They don't care if the price is right.
*technically no, although we'd like for you to think it is
Imagine being from the Isle of Man and wanting
to set up a non-dodgy business. I wonder if that's even technically possible.
Great video! Like the look at immediate and proximate causes.
“With some background in aviation knowledge, you could tell it’s a spanish derived plane.” Or just because it has a 1.5 meter painted spanish flag at the back?
Also another pilot working for this supposedly airline committed suicide a short time after this crash due to feeling guilty over the death of the people on the plane that day. I have also flew on this exact plane from Isle of Man to Blackpool and it wasn’t a pleasant experience and had to have a few nips of whiskey to calm the nerves pre flight.
Then a few more once in Blackpool. It's not a pleasant place to be in. And if you fly from Blackpool to Hull....I /think/ that's aircraft hell?
In principle, there is nothing wrong with the business model. The real issue is whether the sub-contractors are fully compliant with all legal requirements. If they are, we are essentially talking about long-term charters, with manx2 acting as a middleman between customer and operator. This is a business model which is many, many decades old.
Incidentally even major airlines wet lease aircraft at need or lease their own aircraft from major financial institutions. It isn’t the legal or business models here but the integrity and experience of the parties involved.
I remember this crash being on the news, lived not far from the crash site
Cork Airport has always been prone to fog.
These operators took "I know a guy who knows a guy" to whole different level😂
Good job as always
this is basically the airline version of a small school-bus operator using some random cab companies shuttle-minibus...
had those at the school I lived 40miles from the school (we were in the countryside) they were always late and made up time by blasting through small villages at 60+mph... the seatbelts, heaters, windows, etc., never worked properly either!
saying that, I flew with CityWing once, bought the ticket via another operator, it was a wee-hours flight, Aberdeen-Edinburgh-London_Heathrow... not at all bad, really tiny plane, but took off despite the blizzard and made good time... did not have a clue it had any link to Manx2 (luckily, because I had already heard of this accident by that time)
600,000 passengers a year is a lot for an island with only 80,000 people.
I recommend stating flying requirements if important, because in the US you need 1500 hours to fly passenger for the most regional of airlines. That's because you need to earn a commercial pilot license, which could take just 500 hours. But then you need a certificate that stipulates 1500 hours flying time.
The dude had 500. I can only imagine how difficult the landing was for him, because he needed 3 times the training and then lost all sense of his power. He likely heard or felt the left side was wrong, but couldn't react in time.
It’s my first time watching your videos. You did a great job, and I watch a lot of crash videos and disaster videos that don’t. 👍👍
Ohh your first time of watching , well I hope you enjoy it very well.💯😊
How are you doing nice to meet you here ❤️
You have to wonder, would they have crashed if the runway numbers were painted as 16/34 instead of 17/35... it sounds as though on their approach, the runway suddenly became visible but their course heading was too far right, hence the FOs bank to the left and the Captains idle to left engine in an attempt to correct. The unintended overcompensation resulted in their crash. The throttle and control column should be operated by one pilot and never split between the crew
Given the shady company, and the pilot situation, just seems like a recipe for disaster
Many of those "unusual" things aren't all that unusual. Wet lease is common, as is airline being owned by a bank - both of these are commonly used by many large airlines. Pilots making safety demo is also an absolutely normal practice on commuter planes - there's no one else to do it since there is no cabin crew.
Competence of the parties involved in this flight is another matter of course.
Awsome video bro
Thank you!
Great video im sure it took a lot of research to make this and it was well worth it. Amazing video friend
The man narrating these videos has a marvelous modulation that makes listening a genuine pleasure!
Really enjoy your videos
It is inexplicable that no one was held responsible and went to prison
So ..they got off again with a slap on the wrist...!!!!!...this BS will of course continue as there is zero consequences for the crooks..!!
How these white collar crooks can operate is just crazy but if a bank is involved it is no surprise that they can 'run' free with no fear of the laws.......any of us who would do such things would be jailed and fined....Not these crooks..!!!!ENOUGH
EasyJet and AerLingus regional (Emerald Air currently, was a different carrier - Strobart air - prior to COVID) fly from the Isle of Man too. Have done for quite a while. Nice research....
Another excellent video
Amazing videos keep them coming
Thanks. I'm thrilled you like my content
@@DisasterBreakdown I'm a huge aviation fan especially when it comes to disaster and I'm subscribed to other disaster youtubers but this is the best. Hello from the UK also
Flight crew to passengers: As soon as we get done washing the windows we will be departing.
fascinating content, fabulous production, you got a new sub, thanks!
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!!
Their operation couldn't be more suspicious. Good job.
Another great episode, DB !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your videos are great!! 😍
Virtual airlines sounds similar to ghost kitchens...
It would be interesting if you could do a breakdown of the plane crash in the English Channel that killed Cardiff City footballer Emiliano Sala. There's a lot of similarities there, although to a smaller scale. Lots of people trying to save money and cutting corners, avoiding taking responsibility.
Wait. If the pilots worked for the company who sub-leased the plane, doesn't that mean they provided both the plane and the pilots? What did Flightline even do, then?
Well done, thank you.
Oh hey my last few experiences (last being this year) with air serbia were nearly exactly as explained in the start of the video. The planes were not painted at all.
The few people on crew didn't speak english or serbian, but they were all very, very young. It was wild.
Considering that there are still complaints with flight delays popping up in the news, I believe it's still happening. Kinda curious on what's going on but, considering nobody here cares to document anything, doubt we'll find out.
wow another great vidio again. keep it up bc i wouldend dare to fly Manx2 when it was still in service. keep the work up!!
Great research
very concise and proffesional well done
They might've not been the one owning or operating the plane, but it was their name on the machine and it was them who sold the tickets. That should be enough to assure the planes are in reliable condition.
You should do a video on the Superstition Mountains plane crash
I live in the Isle of Man and used Manx 2 and City wing numerous times. They always felt a bit unprofessional and dodgy at the time. Logan air, Air lingus and EasyJet who operate now definitely feel far more professional
This is the most bizarre aviation story I’ve ever heard👏👏👏
idk "we fly when the big guys are afraid to!" is not a selling point to me
Chloe, your naming that Manx2 plane of the was: "seventy-one hundred"
...but in the beginning, it's written down as the _1700_. That's the
'seventeen hundred' instead.
Which is / was it, please?
"With some background in aviation knowledge, you can identify this as a Spanish registered plane."
Mate, don't need aviation knowledge to recognize a Spanish flag :p
Love the videos though!