MONEYBALL (2011) TWIN BROTHERS FIRST TIME WATCHING MOVIE REACTION!
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Moneyball was a huge surprise for us, we expected a movie all about Baseball; but we got something even deep than that. It was interest as hell to see the behind the scenes of how things work, what a solid movie!
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As a guy who loves baseball. I love this movie for the behind the scenes and to hear you guys breaking down Moneyball and talking about a sport yall know nothing about and being spot on is awesome
This movie is a great example of a ‘tight’ script. It’s so well written that almost every scene conveys something to the audience and builds great characters and motivations. I’m not even a sports fan and it’s one of my favorite movies.
Meh, they could have cut a couple of the scenes with his daughter a little shorter
I wouldn't say it's particularly tight. It's a 2h13m movie. It lingers on scenes that don't really push the plot forward. If they hadn't written Art Howe as an antagonist they could have shaved 30 minutes off the runtime.
Honestly the best baseball movie ever made, that contains I think exactly 3 minutes of actual baseball. And of course, being based on a true story that's pretty accurate just makes it that much better.
"...the best baseball movie ever made."
Maybe for you. For me, I'll take Bull Durham, A League of Their Own, Mr. Baseball, The Natural, Major League, the Sandlot, and Bad News Bears over this every day of the week and twice on Sunday (because I have more free time...).
@@brandonhall5615I’d have to agree with the OP. Maybe Major League would be up there, but that’s about it.
@brandonhall5615 field of dreams is the greatest baseball movie ever made too me but I agree my friend
@c-puff you right to me the best baseball movie ever made too me was fields of dreams
OP had the caveat that it contains about 3 minutes of baseball. I still rank it top 5 with the classic big hitters, because... what's not romantic about baseball?
So some fun facts:
1) Billy had actually been involved in deep moneyball research long before the 2002 season since 1990. He became a scout and learned under the previous GM, Sandy Alderson, moneyball’s unique perspective on finding undervalued players in both pro and college baseball.
2) Art Howe HATED his character because of the drama the producers put between him and Billy in the film. Actually, Art Howe was a respectfully fundamental manager who listened to Billy and took his vision onto the field. There was never a heavy disagreement in player management between Art and Billy.
3) The real name that Jonah Hill’s character, Peter Brand, is based on is a named Paul DePodesta who wanted his name out of the public spotlight for personal reasons. He went to Harvard, not Yale, and yes graduated with a degree in economics.
Yeah, amazing film but it does take some liberties that I wish it hadn't, or that at least could have been smoothed out a bit more. I can live with the fact that it left out key factors in their historic season, and fudged a few little details to streamline the narrative. It did distract me when Spanish Raúl Ibañez (sabermetrics anti-darling, he could not field, but I still love you though Raúl) was suddenly black for some reason. 😂
Much like his political shows, Sorkin never lets reality get in the way of telling a good story.
DePodesta has been screwing up the Cleveland Browns for years
Yeah, it took years for the whole "analytics as the core of your entire strategy" to get to a spot that actually produced consistent results across an entire season, as prior to the late-90s it was still used to evaluate players, but mostly on an individual performance basis (google Davey Johnson and Craig Wright). Sabermetrics had been a thing on some level before Bill James, really all he did was come with a handful of additional formulas (some of which were frankly too abstract to be useful, and even the ones that were useful like "runs created" weren't accurate, though they did inspire further research and refinement) and provided seasonal statistics that weren't shared anywhere else, which made it easier to evaluate player performance (though, again, largely inaccurate in the conclusions derived from them due to the lack of existing evaluation formulas). Still, there's no doubt he played a massive role in popularizing statistical-derived analytics with the popularity of his publications, they just weren't especially useful statistics until other researchers came up with more accurate formulas to actually gain valuable insight from the statistics available, and with the advent of the internet, statistics that had to be crowd sourced by locals or league officials became easily available to find online.
Also important to note that the whole "moneyball" concept does not transfer to many other sports, and even when it does transfer, team chemistry has been shown to be just as big of a factor as whether or not the team has been designed to statistically have the best chance of success. In a sport like baseball in particular, sure it's a team sport, but locking down a solid pitching staff and solid hitters gets you most of the way there. They're able to pick up a ton of the slack created by the failures of the rest of the team. If suddenly the core group of players that you rely on to carry the team have any issue with their game whatsoever, the entire system falls apart. You're edging out your wins already, a chance which lowers exponentially when you're already at a disadvantage to other teams budget-wise. There's not much room for error. This is why even in a league where only a select few are utilizing the system, said teams usually had little-to-middling success over the course of the entire season. It's also why in a league where everyone's aware of the system, it no longer functions as intended since the larger budget teams can simply swallow up all of the promising prospects at pretty much any level of play. Then, if the team they initially built has chemistry problems, they can simply swap out the under-performing players for their second option. All that's to say that this is why scouts still exist, and why their positions haven't been relegated to data entry. Statistical analysis isn't a tell all, it just added another layer to the player scouting process and has made the game more profitable for ownership.
@@markkremser Baseball is not the same as football.
An absolutely fantastic movie you guys need to check out that will fit the "I know nothing about this, but it's fascinating and I can't stop watching" feeling of Moneyball is the film 'Ford v Ferrari'...it gives the history of why Ford decided out of the blue to enter into the Le Mans endurance race in France...trust me, you don't need to know anything about cars or racing, and the movie will keep you 100% invested in it...
Yes! Please watch "Ford v. Ferrari"! Such a fantastic movie! I know nothing about cars or car history, but this movie got me hooked from the start. And i saw the movie a multiple time since then. Please watch it. You won't regret it.
For me, this was when Pitt became a great actor, A real mature artist. The writing, the casting, the real drama was fantastic...top tier movie stratospheric sports film. Ages well.
Art Howe Was done dirty in this movie. Also the movie all but ignores the starting pitching and Tejada but it is still a compelling watch
Could not have said it better myself
They show like 2 minutes of baseball, total. It all but ignores all of baseball. That’s not what it’s about. That’s what movies like Major League are for
Also, most of the best players were hired before Beane even got there.
Wolf of Wall Street is a 3 hr film that feels like an hour honestly.
Not to mention the character Jonah hill plays wouldn’t let them use his name because if the liberties they took with the character
Part of the reason that Billy failed is that baseball is just incredibly hard. It is said to be the hardest American sport because if you fail (at bat) 7 times out of 10 you are a great player.
There's always going to be a gap between good college players and good pro players. There are 1700, college (baseball) teams and 30 pro teams. This means if you are in the top 1% of college players you AREN'T going to make the cut because you really need to be (roughly) in the top 0.3%
Yes, Baseball is hard enough without being able to predict player injuries as well. So many unpredictable variables that can affect a teams season. Luck is a big part of it - and the amount of money you spend on players doesn't guarantee your team gets into the world series.
"Hopefully it's a sports film." lol, that got me.
How in the HELL could you cut out the game clip that Pete shows Billy near the end, with the fat kid hitting the home run? It's probably the most emotionally impactful scene in the entire movie!
That and the trade deadline scene
Hearing you two express dislikes and disgust for certain things and or people just reminds me why I watch your channel, y’all think the same way I do, and I fuckin love it. You guys are the best.
@@jrogers05 Thank you, we're glad our dislikes can be appreciated 😁
The cringe stepdad is played by Spike Jonze who is one of the greatest modern directors :)
Absolutely love this movie, was great to see you guys react to it!
Also the Red Sox manager at the end is played by the same guy who plays a grown up version of Smalls at the end of The Sandlot!
Does his daughter know what he gave up for her? I hope she appreciates her dad forever!
This movie transcends baseball. Its a movie about paradigm breaking. Its a business movie to the bone, and the business being baseball just makes it relatable to a broader audience.
Top 5 baseball movie of all time.
"Wolf of Wall Street" is another movie with Jonah Hill in a serious role.
comedy dude
Okay, now that you mentioned it youself, you have to watch it 🙂
He's the comedic relief in the Wolf on Wall Street.
He did Wolf of Wall Street for the industry minimum (something like $30k) so he could be in the film.
This movie is great. A similar movie about trades and management in a professional team is an Football movie called Draft Day. Really great.
You guys are nuts, and yet here I am back again!
one of my top 10 favs
Brad Pitt says he thought his character in this movie was such a busy guy he wouldn’t have time to eat, so he ate in a ton of scenes and made that part of his character
He's always a full time snacker. Him and Robert Downey Jr. Brad smuggled all kinds of snacks into Oceans 11 😂
18:24 Yes, humming is literally singing with your mouth closed haha. Another fun fact: Anyone who is good at voice impressions is also a very good singer!
That cell phone thing with the kid was wild, especially considering this is 2002.
Also, yeah, the media is fucking nuts. There is a reason why players hate talking to the media and also a reason why players avoid big media hubs like New York (unless they are getting a lot of money).
If you liked this movie you must watch Draft Day. A football movie with Kevin Costnar as the GM of the Cleveland Indians. A great movie
Came here to suggest that same film since the guys were so hyped at the drama around the draft/trades-scene on the phone. Highly recommend DRAFT DAY as well
The thing nobody remembers is that during the A’s streak, the Angeles (that year’s World Series winning team) went 18 and 2.
I thought this was an excellent movie, very entertaining and more interesting for being based on real people and events.
You talking about Jonah Hill in a serious role made me think of Vince Vaughn in Hacksaw Ridge where I found myself saying, "Wow, he's actually a good actor, who knew."
I did not know who Philip Seymour Hoffman when I first became aware of him in Twister (1996). I came home after seeing that movie and told my husband, "That guy was the most believable thing in the movie other than the special effect of the twister, some day he is going to win an Oscar." And if you haven't seen his Oscar winning performance in Capote (2006), you really should.
Still have not seen Capote 🤫, but two of my favourite PSH movies are "Owning Mahowny" (still available on UA-cam, I believe), and "Before the devil knows you're dead", with Ethan Hawke and Marisa Tomei 😊
Speaking of sports films, you guys should watch "Without Limits," its a film about American running legend Steve Prefontaine. I know the concept of watching a movie of a runner might sound boring but his story is amazing and fun as hell. Plus its a great movie that is super under appreciated.
You guys might like Million Dollar Arm from 2014.
Check out War Dogs! Jonah Hill plays a very different character & shows his dramatic range
The statistical analysis...it's so beautiful!
I see you Captain
Man you guys disappeared from my feed for a while. Now you are back!! Yay!!
There are movies that don't make a billion dollars, but are absolute gems like Moneyball
41:30 One of the very best English football players of my youth was a lad named Peter Beardsley. The fans nicknamed him "Quasimodo".
Art Howe was on board, was a nice guy and a great manager. Damn this movie for villifying him
I really love this movie, but there's one thing that's in my mind the whole time.
It's much easier to look like a genius when you have the 2002 AL MVP and 2002 AL Cy Young Winner on your roster, along with two other Ace Pitchers that rounds out one of the best rotations in the early 2000s.
At the same time, these are guys that they found, developed and were eventually bought by bigger teams...so the Moneyball Cycle starts all over again.
In the end, it's not about Tejada, Zito or any other player. It's about how Billy Beane and Paul DiPidesto forever changed the game of baseball.
I hope that one day you two will check out The Heartbreak Kid with Ben Stiller. I beleive its a perfect type of comedy for you two to enjoy. Keep up the great work, fellas.
"Wash" is Ron (not Kermit, Kermit Washington was an NBA player who destroyed Rudy T’s face with a single punch) Washington, a maybe hall of fame coach and manager in the major leagues. After this time with the A's, he managed the Texas Rangers to two straight World Series appearances (though they lost both times). Despite having some substance issues that caused him to go to rehab and leave the Rangers, he finally won a World Series with the Braves as the 3rd base coach.
Do you mean *Ron* Washington? I didn’t know he went by the name Kermit.
Kermit Washington was a basketball player
That is ron Washington
@@Terp311with 50 years involved in baseball, I find it funny when people who don't really know anything about baseball make comments. Not judging, just entertaining. Ron was never referred to in the 2010 World Series against the Giants by either teams broadcasters so if it's true, need to know when he was. He is a great baseball guy. I watched him when he played as a designated pinch runner for years in the 70s.
@@Terp311 right. Dang it. Kermit is the one who broke Rudy tomjonavic’s face. I will edit.
@@STLIllinifan88 yep
I have seen this movie a shit ton of times. That 20 game win, still gives me goose bumps! And Im not an A's fans.
Bull Durham and Hoosiers were the two best sports movies I've seen.
This is one of them movies that people wouldnt expect would be in my top 10, but it is.
This is my fav movie and your guys reaction was perfect. Literally bringing joy to me when I’m sick and my throat hurts. Thank you
Watch Goon. Thank me later it’s a hockey movie
+1
Nah. It’s awful. One of the worst movies ever.
@@jasong.5165 objection
"Baseball is a lot like church. It is attended by many but truly understood by a very lucky few."
-Leo Durocher
The idea behind this had been around for a while. It's called "sabermetrics", using the stats to find the optimum players to get on base and score runs and win. But after Billy Beane did it that season with the A's, it really took off. It's a pretty decent strategy, but as with anything, you can never predict what's gonna happen.
The movie is based on (or inspired by) the book of the same name by Michael Lewis. The tone of the book is quite different. It's a work of journalism, not a narrative story. It covers things like the minor leagues that the movie doesn't touch on. It's even been said that it's a business book, not a sports book.
Like most fact-based movies, this one deviates from reality in some significant ways. One is in how Art Howe was portrayed. In real life he had no problem with Billy Beane or the Moneyball approach. He was not an angry, negative sourpuss. Howe was actually offended by how they made him look like a jerk, and rightly so IMO.
The business with making the players pay for their own sodas was made up. The A's were cheap, but not that cheap.
The Big Three were left out of the movie. They were Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, and Mark Mulder-a trio of starting pitchers who were key in the A's successes that season. Zito won the 2002 American League Cy Young Award, given by the sportswriters to the best pitcher in the league. That's a pretty big omission in my book.
Peter Brand (Jonah Hill) was based on Paul DePodesta. Not only was he not traded to the A's, he couldn't be. Players can be traded because of an agreement between the teams and the players' union that allows it. Non-playing team employees are not party to this agreement. It would be like a McDonald's franchise trading a cook to a different McDonald's.
I was at games 3, 18, and 20 of The Streak. It's still one of the most exciting things I've seen in all my years as a baseball fan.
“Bro your moms a 3 shut up!!!” Haha gotta love you guys
@21:14, Sometimes reporters do ask hard hitting questions but they're usually more elegant than what was shown in this movie.
edit: Keep in mind that this Oakland team was fresh off a 100 win+ season entering the offseason, so there was a lot of expectations for them to remain competitive. But they ended up losing a few of their key players in free agency and replaced those players with rando's no one heard of and past-their-prime players. So it makes sense that people would have questions on what Oakland is doing.
Good movie love the video octokrool stay motivated dream big 1 mill on the way
34:50 good thing you guys know a whole lot about movies 😉
I've missed not seeing this film, but I love Trouble With The Curve.
I've never watched an entire baseball game in my life, its just not my thing. But man this is a damn good movie
Love the hats💖💖 not doing well with things, I'm sick with covid and it's hard for me to even watch youtube😢
Get your rest and feel better. Watch only your favorites for now. Then you'll have a nice backlog to watch when better.
As a guy who's not really that big a fan of baseball, I love this movie and I remember thinking so right after I walked out of the theater
Been subscribed for awhile cause you guys are awesome...lol...I am from the Bay Area and a lifelong Oakland A's fan and this timeframe for the A's was AMAZING!!! We literally developed guys we drafted (Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson and Eric Chavez who all became all stars, with Chavez legit being the only guy that was drafted by the A's and signed to a large contract) who all went on to sign very lucrative contracts with other teams during this 7 year period from 1999-2005 where the A's either finished 1st or 2nd in their division. Loved the reaction because even without knowing the sport or the team, you can get a feel of the real excitement we had back then. The film does a really good job of building it up that's makes fans like me be able to relive it all over again!
Bull Durham. Now there's a baseball movie!
(Check out Major League, also, if you haven't yet. If you did, and I missed it, my bad!)
Also, The Wolf of Wall Street is totally worth the watch, as is Gangs of New York. Both are Martin Scorcese at his best, IMO.
*_If you guys want another GREAT sports management movie, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND: Draft Day (2014), staring Kevin Costner. Very similar vibe though a very different story and taking place in the world of American Football._*
McFarland, USA is another great movie based on a true story starring Kevin Costner.
I love Draft Day. I know it's not very realistic, but it's a fun watch.
@@daniellanctot6548 it’s garbage. So far from reality it’s just awful.
Some classic movie suggestions: 😎👌
- Dead Man on Campus
- Heavyweights
- The Slammin' Salmon
- Hot Tub Time Machine 2
- Die Hard with a Vengeance
Nice ❤
Billy was eating sunflower seeds and spitting out the shells.
This is in my top 5 movies ever, thank you guys!
damn i like to see the reactions of when the guys hits the ball and falls rounding 1st. Just a good moment to include in it.
My favorite movie of all time. Good stuff.
A very good baseball movie you both should watch is called The Natural
yall need to see Charlie Wilsons War JUST for any scene Philip Seymour Hoffman is in, hes incredible in that movie
Moneyball was an incredible movie. Filmed beautifully, scored amazingly, and directed elegantly. Touching without being tear-jerking. Just great.
If you guys want to see some more great sports movies that you haven't seen yet, watch "Draft Day" with Kevin Costner, "Rudy" with Sean Astin, and "Miracle" with Kurt Russell as well.
You guys are the freaking best. Love this reaction!
Seymor Hoffman was in the leading role in the movie "Capote ", and if you've never seen it, you missed a stellar performance.
A's are currently playing their last season in Oakland. They will temperamentally play in Sacramento until they move to Vegas in 2028.
Trouble With the Curve with Clint Eastwood and Amy Adam’s is also a great semi baseball movie.
16:31 "How are you doing AL? Enjoying my family, sitting on my couch, in the home that I built?
Nice sandals, by the way! Can't have you to catching a cold from the marble flooring my wife insisted on."
Ya'll need to check out "The Ides of March." Phillip Seymour Hoffman is in that as well as Ryan Gosling and George Clooney.
Considering how Billy Beane has ran the A's in the ground, the answer is 'nope, he's not losing his job'
Weird way to say John Fisher.
Seeing this movie, and the way its filmed. I wanted an HBO show about a small budget MLB team, thats focused on the front office team, like this movie is.
21:13 - I guess you didn't watch the 2024 Olympics. After Team USA Men botched the 4x100m Relay, an interviewer was hounding one of the teammates, trying to get him to say it was his teammate's fault for the loss (which it was). But as a team, you would never single out one of your teammates. Luckily the athlete had the integrity to not give into the reporter's BS.
Fun Facts: Billy Bean was actually using the model way before this season. There's suggestion that the Manager Art Houle was actually for this concept. The win streak record that the Oakland As set was actually broken in a future season.
I really enjoyed Jonah Hill's role in this movie.
You should check out the movie "Rudy". It's another sports movie that's not really about sports.
Great reaction! I agree that Philip Seymour Hoffman always nailed his target. A movie in which he does that brilliantly (and he's fifth-billed, after Matt Damon, Jude Law, Gwyneth Paltrow, Cate Blanchett) is The Talented Mr. Ripley, a wonderful movie worth a Reaction if you've never seen it.
Moneyball is fundamentally about someone trying to do things in a new way and swimming against the current of old dogmas and outdated ways of thinking. It happens to be about baseball but it could have been about anything. Medicine, art, warfare, you name it, there have been many such stories throughout history.
The problem with Moneyball methods is that they only work for the underdog team like the A's during the period when the big money teams have not yet figured out that the new system works. As soon as they do figure it out (like the Boston Red Sox did), then those teams can apply the same methods but be able to throw even more money at it so the brief advantage the poor team with the new system had is gone. They will even hire away the managers and analysts using the new system.
There are two bad things about this story. They did Art Howe dirty. He was NOTHING like that in real life. The other bad thing is that, once Billy proved that it worked, MLB dove into 'moneyball' head first. As with most things, the extremes are no good. You shouldn't give up on a kid because he has an ugly girlfriend, but you also have to remember that baseball players are not robots. MLB GMs sort of forgot that for a few years. At some point we'll reach a happy medium.
since you guys like Philip Seymour Hoffman, might i suggest you checking out "Charlie Wilson's War"? he and tom hanks have a couple of really great scenes together.
I remember in Little league when they replaced our wood bats with aluminum. I hate the sound of the ball coming off an aluminum bat.
The Wolf of Wall Street yes pleeeeeeease! Leo and Jonah in that movie are absolutely hilarious
the lil girl was in "ray" the show. yall should watch that. even if u dont do it on camera. good ass show.
The Boston Red Sox copied Billy’s strategy the next couple of years and finally won the World Series
I can't stand when people brind this up because the Red Sox have one of the biggest saleries in baseball.
With the 2nd highest payroll only surpassed by Yankees. This is a movie. You really can't reinvent baseball. My SF Giants won it in 2010 with the 13th highest payroll..that's the true story
@@LeighMetTheo Epstein used that budget combined with the "moneyball" approach to roster construction to win 2 world series in 4 years.
@LeighMet thank you. SF Giants won it in 2010 with the 13th highest..there's the story. Lol
@@LeighMet even if the red sox were actually poor, why was he bringing it up as a trivia as if the movie didn't state that in the end of the movie.
"I love the crack of the bat! It's like thunder!"
You guys MUST watch The Natural with Robert Redford! It's such a great movie that is a criminally underrated gem!!
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Football is a tv sport. Baseball is a 'be there' sport. I had season tickets the year the Dbacks played the Rockies in wild card. 11-8. We won. Me and gf were jumping all around the stadium
YESS!!!!!!... I absolutely love this film and I'm not embarrassed to admit that I've watched it close to 100 times. I love the reaction... In a different genre and, for some reason, not so well known film.... Star studded cast including Bruce Willis, Steve Carrel, Wanda Sykes, Nick Nolte, Avril Lavigne, William Shatner the late great Garry Shandling and MORE......... Wait for it.......... "Over the Hedge" - 2006... That is of course unless you gents have already 'Scene-It'? (Edit)_If you're looking for another great baseball movie I highly suggest, "42" - 2013,... (Jackie Robinson story)
And now the Athletics are moving to Las Vegas. They have been in Oakland since 1968. Ownership went to shit and stopped paying high dollar for the good players they had and just let them walk to other teams. One of my favorite roles Philip Seymore Hoffman played was in the movie Patch Adams with Robin Williams.
Yeah... my dad was a huge sports fan, so I was always on the very fringe of the fandom (saw it from a distance but never quite "got the hype" of watching sports -- but I love sports movies) ... I watched the A's and the Giants in the World Series because there were so many Bay Area baseball fans in my college. Then I saw this movie and the metrics of the game really fascinated me.
Hearing about the A's moving to Vegas lead me down a rabbit hole to see how much Oakland has just been bleeding professional sports teams away these many years. There's just not enough support for them by the owners/corporations that sponsor them... seeing how the owners just flat out REFUSE to put any more money into the team in this film... and clearly, that practice continued because now the whole franchise has moved away (and from what I've heard, Vegas is definitely willing to put some money into their teams)
Written by Aaron Sorkin and Steve Zaillian, two Gods of screenwriting...
you should add Miracle to your list. I think you guys would really like it. Its another true story
People get their feathers ruffled if you say this is one of the best ever baseball movies.
But it is THE best "talking about baseball movies." Since, like, City Slickers, I guess.
Stay on the baseball train, react to "The Rookie" starring Dennis Quaid. Another true story, very inspirational.
Best true story baseball movie
Another really good baseball movie based on a true story is The Rookie with Dennis Quaid.
I think you might enjoy Draft Day with Kevin Costner
You should also watch Trouble With the Curve.
You guys should watch the movie Draft Day with Kevin Costner. Great trade negotiations!
War Dogs is another movie where Jonah Hill has a more serious role.
You guys have to watch Strange Wilderness, Jonah Hill is also in that and I feel like that would be right up you guys alley.
The wolf of wall street is worth every second i promise you you will not regret it and i’ll be the first one there to watch your reaction and like cause it’s fucking hilarious and your reaction to it would be amazing.
Facts
Johnny Damon was worth every penny Boston gave him. He helped lead them to the 2003 ALCS lost in 7 and then first world series in 86 years in 2004.
I have been calculating players values in a similar way for around 30 years playing fantasy baseball with my friends ( I have been in the top 3 every year except 1) - I should have started a fantasy sports site online at the beginning of the internet
Check out "Brian's song ". More then just a football movie. True story too.
Have you guys seen invincible?
It's a football movie based on a true story staring mark wahlburg, It's amazing.