It's a REAL shame that cFive's char got a bad recovery cause he thought Link's up-B was better at killing. LET HIM CHANGE IT! (and let vyQ change one of his moves too, to be fairer!)
@@LoyaLPikmin mockrock also has one, but he does more of analysis videos so he ever did it it would probably be on his mockrocktalk channel, assuming he actually would want to do it that is.
@@falconfighter3456 lol we can make new ones, that just wasn’t the goal of the mod, also doc is just saying he would’ve liked an overview of each character, no issue in that
As a Link main, clearly C5 never actually played Link and only theory crafted his up B as an OoS option and combo tool. Why on earth would you gimp yourself like that Sora up B is better Kazuya up B would be good
This was a fun watch. Love the interview of the two talking to the camera about their thought process lol. Gives the video more character, while their characters, take moves from other characters but that’s enough characters for this sentence 😅
I think a fun variation of this would be a best of five, modded vs unmodded character, where the object is not to win, but instead to get as much intel on the modded character. At the end of the set you have to guess/remember rhe moveset. Whoever gets the most guesses right after two sets wins
I loved seeing cFive's relatively well-rounded character for the first half, then as soon as vyQ's character shows up it instantly just goes troll mode with Command Selection existing
A KO punch that doesn’t disappear? Man what a fundamentally unfair concept that I sure am glad they never officially implemented into a recent character.
Imagine that and mii fighter suplex as a side b, which is super fast for a command grab. Being weaker than alolan whip would be more than counterbalanced by the fact that you could self-revenge with grenades lol
When they started talking theory crafting, I was also thinking Kirby Down Air- Lingering Spike, Combos into lots of things, fast and low end lag on a non-floaty character
Bruh i LOVE the new editing style!! Seems like a lot of work. But its what makes you guys the best Smash content makers. Not just some.clickbaity memey videos with bassboosted monke style sfx
I think Yoshi would be the best base model for this - double jump armor, good weight, insane aerial drift, decent ground speed, and an inability to be shield poked in exchange for a slightly wonkier but still serviceable grab. Yoshi's worst aspects are his moveset, so go something like Neutral B > Mewtwo Shadow Ball, Side B > Captain Falcon's Raptor Boost, Up B > Pikachu's Quick Attack, Down B > Sheik's Bouncing Fish for specials, Mewtwo Jab, Mewtwo Down Tilt, Wolf F-Tilt, Yoshi Up-Tilt, Marth F-Smash, G&W Down Smash, Byleth Up-Smash, Pikachu Neutral Air, Mewtwo F-Air, Villager B-Air, Byleth Up-Air, Ivysaur Down-Air, Ness Back Throw, Mewtwo Forward Throw, Pichu Down Throw, Diddy Kong Up Throw I don't think it would be the best character possible, but it would play like a spookier Mewtwo with these differences: Less awkward tail hitbox Heavier Better mobility Double Jump armor to escape combos easier A more reliable drag down N-air Even better recovery Raptor Boost as a combo tool in neutral that would lead to Mewtwo F-air into kill percents two combo throws, one that true combos into drag down n-air, the other combos into up-air Better anti-airs and sharking tools from Byleth's stuff A less finicky spike for edge guarding A projectile back-air for neutral that's only -3 on shield to pair with the better grab game and the lack of a tail hitbox downside Momentum cancel option in Bouncing Fish to make survivability even more insane Marth F-Smash as a gimmick option and potential follow-up from landing weak-mid Shadow Ball Wolf's F-tilt/Ivysaur's Down-Air to pressure ledge
I think a better up b for cFive would be sora’s, which is similar to link but has better verticality and sends the opponent up, which seems to be what cFive was looking for. Would’ve been awesome!
My idea for my own take on this concept Jab: Little Mac F-Tilt: Sephiroth D-Tilt: Ryu U-Tilt: Snake Dash Attack: Ganondorf N-Air: Ryu F-Air: Lucina B-Air: Ryu D-Air: Sephiroth U-Air: Ganondorf F-Smash: Little Mac D-Smash: Sephiroth U-Smash: Pyra N-Special: Zero Suit Samus S-Special: Bowser D-Special: Snake U-Special: Ken (includes the command input) Grab: Charizard ig, that dash grab is really fuggin big F-Throw: Lucas D-Throw: Luigi B-Throw: Ness U-Throw: Charizard Base Character: Lucario so I get aura also cool air movement Also it has EWGF Overall gameplan is to get little strings with Neutral Special and EWGF. EWGF I can kill confirm using B-Air, U-Air, F-Smash angled up maybe, U-Smash, S-Special, and U-Special. I can also attack C4 to them while they are stunned. Neutral Special there's less I can do, but I imagine I can use sour spot dash attack to confirm into U-Air or B-Air. Also I have Ryu's N-Air and D-Tilt so I just get to mash on ya shield. Also, since I'm on Lucario as the character, I can use C4 to self-damage myself, helping my recovery and building my aura. Now imagine aura + rage + command input ken shoryuken. You will die very early. I'm a dick
@@epicking8341 A move named "Straight Lunge" that literally changes (not just becomes stronger like Mii Brawler's Side-B "Onslaught") into an extremely powerful move called "KO Uppercut"... also known as KO Punch. That's what you call a gimmick. Otherwise, you could simply give anyone "Power Geyser". It's just a move, right? One that is unlocked by taking damage but the move itself isn't a gimmick, right? Nope, C5 just broke his own rules without realising it.
Instead of gaining redness, maybe use Inkling's FS effect where her hair inks up as you get KO Punch, or even maybe that white flashing effect that happens with charged moves (like FLUDD). Just an idea, I dunno how well that'd be to mod in compared to reddening. All and all, great video! I had a fun time tryna guess the moves you 2 slapped on these abominations lol
I liked the little interviews in between segments. You guys should do this again! There’s a lot of challenge potential here. For example use a random generator to give each of you 2-3 characters and you build your best combo character from those pieces.
The character I came up with is this. Base character is Terry. Nair: Ganondorf Dair: Ganondorf Bair: Sephiroth Uair: Sephiroth Fair: Bowser Jab: Mega man Utilt: Snake Ftilt: Snake Dtilt: Snake Dash attack: Snake Neutral B: Snake Down B: Snake Up B: Kazuya Side B: Richter Up Smash: Snake Forward smash: Kazuya Down smash: Kazuya (Assuming that this can be changed) Pummel: Snake Uthrow: Kazuya Fthrow: DK Bthrow: Sephiroth Dthrow: Snake For anyone who cares, I'll give my explanations, and for anyone who wants a TLDR: Snake is good, what if we gave him more utility, better movement, and more kill options. Dorf Nair: arguably the best in the Nair in the game, long lasting and strong. Dorf Dair: its based, and also no one wants to get hit by a move that strong, on stage or off. Sephiroth Bair has long reach and is a good kill option Sephiroth Uair: spacing? What's that? Bowser Fair: it's a good move, and I'll admit that nothing else really came to mind Mega man Jab: lemons Snake Utilt: good kill move, and also (insert brawl hitbox joke here) Snake Ftilt: comes out frame 4 Snake Dtilt: good reach, good poking tool, and also I'm used to it. Dorf Dtilt was also up for consideration due to it's similar nature. Snake Dash attack: super fast and the start of it makes his upper body intangible. Snake Neutral B: there is no character that wouldn't benefit from having snakes grenades. Best Neutral B in the game, the only debate I'll take is shulk's monado arts because it fall into a similar category. Snake Down B: snake's C4 gives an incredible amount of stage control and let's him recover from pretty much anywhere. Kazuya Up B: snake's drone but faster, also a great kill option Richter side B: more projectiles and combo potential. Kazuya Side B was up for consideration though since it could be a great option to set up for a kill. I decided against it because it's laggy up it misses or hits shield, and also I don't feel like figuring out if Kazuya's Side/Up B thing applies in this situation since the character would have both. (You can't use side B and Up B together in the air, if you use one, you can't use the other until you land back on stage or grab ledge.) Snake Up Smash: More projectiles and Ledge trapping Kazuya Forward Smash: I'm guessing this is the one with the most kill potential. It deals something like 40% when fully charged and the sweetspot hits. Kazuya Down Smash: it's a shield breaker. I'll let the opposition find out what happens when they try to shield one of the grenades. Snake Pummel is good, but if it has to stay the same as the base characters Pummel, there's no issue with that. Kazuya Up throw: it's a kill throw and nothing else came to mind. DK Forward Throw: why have 4 throws when you can have 7-8 (I refuse to debate if the cargo hold itself is a throw.) Sephiroth Back throw: it has some combos. Only thing that comes to mind immediately though is B throw into Bair at lower percents (both of them are Sephiroth Moves. 10 points to whoever can guess why I know that combos.) Snake Down Throw: tech chases. As I said before, my overall reasoning came down to the fact that I play Snake, I know how dumb his tools are, so what if we gave him more. Initially my original base was Sephiroth, but the idea I had for the moveset reached a point where having someone with the same weight as f*cking Kirby leads to a character that dies a way too early. I stand by the fact that Snake's grenades would benefit any character, but having a move set that is pretty much just snake's but better on one of the lightest characters in the game doesn't allow for a character that can survive for that long. It'd be the same thing as giving Mythra Ganondorf's speed and weight. Her frame data would be great and she'd likely be able to survive for longer, but good luck accomplishing anything with a character that slow with that little power. You'd likely just end up playing Pyra most, if not all, of the time.
i actually had an idea for a dlc character back during the last 2 or 3 dlc slots. it was ditto and you could customize it like a mii but you could pick every one of its moves from any character. glad my idea has been made through a mod
This is the content i was waiting for. Just like good old moveset-swap in brawl used to be. Please do more episodes of this concept with different stuff!
Here’s how you make the best character in the game: Greninja base attributes Steve blocks Mario down throw Bayonetta up and side b Falco up tilt Bowser or Shulk forward air Byleth or Palutena up air Boom. That’s really all you need for Smash 4 Bayonetta on steroids (Maybe throw in a projectile or two to force an approach. Hero down b comes to mind)
I would love to see a video series on this concept with Ultimate character archetypes. Ultimate spammer with Sonic for speed, an Lucario survivor, an heavy hitter who can kill super early, etc...
I'm still waiting for somebody to make the ultimate projectile spammer. Samus neutral b, Snake down b, Villager side b, Rob up b, Villager forward/back air, Megaman up/down/neutral air, Palutena up smash, Mii Gunner side smash, Game&Watch down smash, Megaman forward tilt/jab, Game&Watch down tilt, Steve up tilt, Isabel grab, Kazuya up throw, Fox back throw, Rob down throw, and Bowser pummel. At least, that's my idea of an opponent you couldn't possibly get close to. Oh, and put all of this in an incredibly small body, like Pichu, or a heavy with built in armor, like Bowser or Kazuya.
i know this vid is old now, but it would be awesome if u did this again but only fusing 2 characters together, so like for example wii fit and falcon, the character can only have moves from both and it needs to be the same amount of moves from each character
Without watching the video, my character would be: Model, jumps, movement: Sonic Jab: Isabelle Ftilt: Ganon Dtilt: Incineroar Utilt: Steve FSmash: Sonic DSmash: Ness USmash: Min Min Nair: Paluntena Fair: Steve Bair: Sephiroth Dair: Game & Watch Uair: Incineroar Grab: Pac-Man Pummel: Kazuya Fthrow: DK, if banned Kazuya Bthrow: Incineroar Uthrow: Mewtwo Dthrow: Luigi NSpecial: Shulk, if banned Joker SSpecial: Sonic DSpecial: Sonic USpecial: Game & Watch Luigi’s grab game with Steve Fair replacing Luigi down air. Incineroar dtilt and Paluntena Nair also extend combos. Pretty sure Luigi down throw combos into MinMin up smash at kill percent, but if it doesn’t, you have Incineroar and Mewtwo kill throws. Other than that, you’re Sonic with ludicrously fast kill moves and combo starters, plus Game and Watch Up Special to escape from anything.
omg you guys NEED to make a part 2!!.. Like restrict it so whatever moves & character you guys just had, you can't pick again. But cFive could pick whatever vyQ had etc.
The most cursed fighter moveset ever: Piranha Plant with. . . Natural Special: Charge Shot (Dark Samus) Side Special: Photon Edge (Mythra) Up Special: Balloon Trip (Isabelle) Down Special: Command Selection (Hero) Jab: Little Mac Foward Tilt: Bayonetta Up Tilt: Gannondorf Down Tilt: Meta Knight Neutral Air: King K. Rool Forward Air: Captain Falcon Up Air: Richter Down Air: Dr. Mario Forward Smash: Min Min Down Smash: Steve Up Smash: Palutena Dash Attack: King Dedede Edge Attack: Ridley Floor Attacks: Cloud Grab / Pummel: Yoshi Forward Throw: Mewtwo Up Throw: Ness Back Throw: Lucas Down Throw: Bowser Final Smash: Zelda
That's a nice idea, but consider: Samus model/stats (Good air mobility, heaviest character without being a superheavy. Also less relevant, but ledge attack is pretty big. Rip rolls tho) Tilts: F - Marth (Pivot Ftilt is actually surprisingly good with Samus' movement, and Marth's Ftilt is large, disjointed, and fairly easy to tipper) U - Falco (Big anti-air, and Samus has the mobility to get good combos off it) D - Samus (This move is disgusting, and people don't talk about it. It can two frame easily, and can kill confirm with a good aerial) Smashes: F - Meta Knight (Who needs endlag, am I right? You'll be forcing air dodges near the ground a lot due to the up tilt, so this has a surprising amount of use cases between that and ledge trapping) U - Ridley (Out of the "cover the entire platform" options, this is the fastest for out of shielding people if they cross you up. I did consider Ganondorf for the obscene shield damage the front hitbox has though) D - Little Mac (Fast, armored two framing to beat out large hitboxes. Meta Knight was also in consideration for speed and disjoint though) Aerials N - Pikachu (Dragdown into imagination. In an absolutely dire situation, Nair to Down Tilt kills around 130-150 depending on character) U - Corrin (One of the better upward swings. Less laggy than Pyra, Sephiroth, or Ike, bigger and stronger than most other takes on the concept. Should connect reliably out of up tilt for a while, and potentially kill confirms off down tilt against floatier characters) F - Lucina (Tippers are more finicky in the air, and Samus should be able to carry people well with this) D - Snake (No spike, but it comes out really fast and gives an air stall. Because this character needed more options OOS and recovery power) B - Samus (Down Tilt Bair kill confirms at ledge. Her movement stats feel very tuned around Bair's hitbox. If you're not as comfortable with her movement, Cloud is a perfectly fine substitute) Other normals: Jab - Little Mac (frame 1, and more reliable than ZSS') Dash Attack - Snake (Why is it invincible?) Specials: N - Mii Gunner's Mortar (This thing is obscene, the only thing keeping it in check is Mii Gunner's god awful movement. Let's fix that) S - Incineroar (They tried shielding? In mid range? Lol. Lmao, even. This gives you a reliable kill button if for some reason none of the confirms are working) U - Game and Watch. D - Sheik (Recovery, most likely kill confirms off a lot of previous tools) Grab+Throws: Grab - Samus (Tethers are better than ever in Ultimate, and you force shield a lot in its effective range. Plus, this bundles in the best Zair in the game for even more mid-range harassment and recovery utility. Probably confirms into Bouncing Fish too) U - Mewtwo (Strongest up throw besides Incineroar, but the increased base KB means you can use it to set up juggles earlier than the cat's) F - Jigglypuff (Post patch, the angle this sends at is disgusting. Sets up into Fair pretty easily, and hard reading their jump into Bouncing Fish probably kills them at absurd percents) D - Snake (At the point where Snake can guarantee up tilt, Samus can guarantee down tilt. And it will absolutely kill by then. Until then, Grab, Ftilt, Side B, Down Smash, and Dair all cover multiple options well, and lead to goid reward or even a stock) B - Ness. Up Taunt: Snake (I almost forgot to give Samus a second projectile, and somehow Puff Forward throw just feels like it puts them in just the right place that a box will force a high recovery) Final report: This character thrives in neutral and advantage, with a lot of big hitboxes and ways to either confirm kills or just kill outright. She's especially good at forcing shields and capitalizing with her grab or Alolan Whip, or just outright popping them with Mortar plus aerial or tipper f-tilt. Mortar can also lead to generous confirm windows even if not blocked. She still has to deal with the typical Samus issues of getting out of disadvantage (especially juggles), but she has enough ways to play with her aerial momentum that it should be a bit better than "drop Bomb and pray". I elected not to give her any cheese like Rest, Monado, KO, or Waft in order to keep her design focused. The end result will be a character who feels oppressive to fight, but that the opponent can't complain about being a proper zoner. She only has one real projectile, guys.
I think the best way to approach this challenge is to tame your main and leave most of their kit the same but change the moves used the least to be Incredibly Broken. That way your playing with a kit you already mostly understand but get broken options to use separate from the kit.
The real most broken character would have Mythra's movement, Steve's jab and blocks, Kazuya's EWGF, Sonic's spin dash, Palutena's nair, G&W up-b, and Cloud back-air.
@@vyq6014 ❤️Außerdem muss ich mich bei euch bedanken, ich bin deutsch und habe nur auf Deutsch UA-cam geschaut, euren Kanal fand ich aber so interessant, dass ich trotz mangelnder Englisch Kentnisse jedes Video geschaut habe, dadurch ist mein Englisch sehr viel besser geworden und ich schaue heute viel Englisch YT und war sogar auf einem Israel austausch, wo mich alle für mein gutes Englisch gelobt haben ♥️♥️♥️ Danke dafür
I think KO punch in this is OP, it should be one of those mechanics where you have to use little mac base model to use it. I don't see how giving your custom character KO punch is any less fair than giving custom character Lucario's Aura.
I think VyQ made the better overall character, but I think both are sleeping on how good incineroar's down tilt is. It combos forever, and on an actual fast character it would be insane. Running in, poking with down tilt and then following up with a pyra forward or up air.
The hero Oomph and pshych up are such good buffs to a custom moveset. Like pyra with oomph is a monster. Imagine if you can get monado buster + oomph + psych up?
What if you created a character, using frame data, that is specifically curated to have the easiest-to-perform, most consistent zero-to-death combo possible?
if you used Marth as a base, would your moves have tippers? if you used Robin as a base, would your moves have levin sword's killpower? if you used joker as a base, would you get arsene power on all your custom moves? so many questions
You can mod these custom fighters onto pokemon trainer and make them switch with taunt. Then you'd have that cursed diddy, cursed inkling and cursed sheik all in one fighter
I have so many questions about the limits of this. For example can you have Shulk’s monatos on anyone other than Shulk? Even if not can you have Shulk but with other moves, like smash monato knee killing at 10%? Can you put the pyra/mythra swap with each swap having their own set of moves? Same idea with pokémon trainer? Can you put MinMin down B onto other characters? Really enjoyed the video and hope to see more stupid abominations!
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Who is higher on the tierlist?!
probably vyQ's, the other one is good but there is a big lack of recovery
vyQ has better kill confirms and a better recovery. vyQ for sure
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It's a REAL shame that cFive's char got a bad recovery cause he thought Link's up-B was better at killing. LET HIM CHANGE IT! (and let vyQ change one of his moves too, to be fairer!)
i love the style where you talk about the game on your own its very entertaining
A lot of UA-camrs are hopping on this trend and at some point I hope we can get a 8 man colab and do a tournament with all of the custom characters.
Yes, with Little Z, and Tcnick3, little Z has 1, Tcnick3 has 4, and now beefy smash dudes has 2, one spot left.
@@LoyaLPikmin mockrock also has one, but he does more of analysis videos so he ever did it it would probably be on his mockrocktalk channel, assuming he actually would want to do it that is.
@@Bigwings2043 Great idea,
Have enough people do it and we could fill the whole roster with these abominations.
Just do a modded super major. It would very interesting to see what the best in the world could come up with. Same building rules required.
CFive: You can't have Lucario's Aura if you don't use Lucario's base model
Also CFive: *KO Punch on Inkling*
I’m guessing that’s different bc KO punch is isolated to one move while aura is a general character wide mechanic
@@mrbister8714 hero mana?
@@frieddoorhandles You need MP to use any of Hero's specials, so that's also only on one move (vyQ's down-B)
@@frieddoorhandles I got nothing there lmao
meh, coding can get hard, you never know what breaks what for unkown reasons
Awesome, happy to see it in action, it was sick workin with you guys on this!
I wish we couldve gotten to see every move and what they were taken from. Like the throws and smash attacks especially
Have you never played smash before? The moves are never new just replacements. They cant make them new ones
@@falconfighter3456 lol we can make new ones, that just wasn’t the goal of the mod, also doc is just saying he would’ve liked an overview of each character, no issue in that
@@falconfighter3456 imagine being this wrong on every point lol
As a Link main, clearly C5 never actually played Link and only theory crafted his up B as an OoS option and combo tool. Why on earth would you gimp yourself like that
Sora up B is better Kazuya up B would be good
Haha true, he also staled it hella throughout the match lol
Should've got Lucina upB or something. intangibility on startup, good travel distance. Good OoS option.
Yeah, could use game and watch up B or charizard Up smash for out of shield instead
hell G&W up b would be good
Sora’s would’ve still comboed, plus it would have killed earlier because it hits at a way sharper angle
This was a fun watch. Love the interview of the two talking to the camera about their thought process lol. Gives the video more character, while their characters, take moves from other characters but that’s enough characters for this sentence 😅
I really liked the talking heads throughout the video. I would love to see a follow up video where you tweek the characters for a rematch.
I think a fun variation of this would be a best of five, modded vs unmodded character, where the object is not to win, but instead to get as much intel on the modded character. At the end of the set you have to guess/remember rhe moveset. Whoever gets the most guesses right after two sets wins
I feel like I saw someone do something similar to this Tcnick I think?
I love this TV show style interview segments where we get your thought process for a couple seconds mid match
As a Link main, I know how deadly kirbly's dair is to Link's recovery
I'm pretty sure that mii sword fighter up b and not link up b
True, the angle was different
I loved seeing cFive's relatively well-rounded character for the first half, then as soon as vyQ's character shows up it instantly just goes troll mode with Command Selection existing
I love the Reality show style cut away's, this episode was amazing!
A KO punch that doesn’t disappear? Man what a fundamentally unfair concept that I sure am glad they never officially implemented into a recent character.
Incineroar Revenge plus Snake Grenades sounds like a great combination. You get a great projectile and you can self Revenge to max.
True true
Imagine that and mii fighter suplex as a side b, which is super fast for a command grab. Being weaker than alolan whip would be more than counterbalanced by the fact that you could self-revenge with grenades lol
Or Bucket + Grenades
When they started talking theory crafting, I was also thinking Kirby Down Air- Lingering Spike, Combos into lots of things, fast and low end lag on a non-floaty character
Bruh i LOVE the new editing style!! Seems like a lot of work. But its what makes you guys the best Smash content makers. Not just some.clickbaity memey videos with bassboosted monke style sfx
So THIS is how modding custom characters is possible.
I think Yoshi would be the best base model for this - double jump armor, good weight, insane aerial drift, decent ground speed, and an inability to be shield poked in exchange for a slightly wonkier but still serviceable grab. Yoshi's worst aspects are his moveset, so go something like Neutral B > Mewtwo Shadow Ball, Side B > Captain Falcon's Raptor Boost, Up B > Pikachu's Quick Attack, Down B > Sheik's Bouncing Fish for specials, Mewtwo Jab, Mewtwo Down Tilt, Wolf F-Tilt, Yoshi Up-Tilt, Marth F-Smash, G&W Down Smash, Byleth Up-Smash, Pikachu Neutral Air, Mewtwo F-Air, Villager B-Air, Byleth Up-Air, Ivysaur Down-Air, Ness Back Throw, Mewtwo Forward Throw, Pichu Down Throw, Diddy Kong Up Throw
I don't think it would be the best character possible, but it would play like a spookier Mewtwo with these differences:
Less awkward tail hitbox
Heavier
Better mobility
Double Jump armor to escape combos easier
A more reliable drag down N-air
Even better recovery
Raptor Boost as a combo tool in neutral that would lead to Mewtwo F-air into kill percents
two combo throws, one that true combos into drag down n-air, the other combos into up-air
Better anti-airs and sharking tools from Byleth's stuff
A less finicky spike for edge guarding
A projectile back-air for neutral that's only -3 on shield to pair with the better grab game and the lack of a tail hitbox downside
Momentum cancel option in Bouncing Fish to make survivability even more insane
Marth F-Smash as a gimmick option and potential follow-up from landing weak-mid Shadow Ball
Wolf's F-tilt/Ivysaur's Down-Air to pressure ledge
I think a better up b for cFive would be sora’s, which is similar to link but has better verticality and sends the opponent up, which seems to be what cFive was looking for. Would’ve been awesome!
Would love to see Shulk neutral B with Hero down B
All of hero buffs with buster or smash arts one shots
@@RobertJohnson-of7do damn
The interview style commentary is a nice touch
My idea for my own take on this concept
Jab: Little Mac
F-Tilt: Sephiroth
D-Tilt: Ryu
U-Tilt: Snake
Dash Attack: Ganondorf
N-Air: Ryu
F-Air: Lucina
B-Air: Ryu
D-Air: Sephiroth
U-Air: Ganondorf
F-Smash: Little Mac
D-Smash: Sephiroth
U-Smash: Pyra
N-Special: Zero Suit Samus
S-Special: Bowser
D-Special: Snake
U-Special: Ken (includes the command input)
Grab: Charizard ig, that dash grab is really fuggin big
F-Throw: Lucas
D-Throw: Luigi
B-Throw: Ness
U-Throw: Charizard
Base Character: Lucario so I get aura also cool air movement
Also it has EWGF
Overall gameplan is to get little strings with Neutral Special and EWGF. EWGF I can kill confirm using B-Air, U-Air, F-Smash angled up maybe, U-Smash, S-Special, and U-Special. I can also attack C4 to them while they are stunned. Neutral Special there's less I can do, but I imagine I can use sour spot dash attack to confirm into U-Air or B-Air. Also I have Ryu's N-Air and D-Tilt so I just get to mash on ya shield.
Also, since I'm on Lucario as the character, I can use C4 to self-damage myself, helping my recovery and building my aura. Now imagine aura + rage + command input ken shoryuken. You will die very early.
I'm a dick
This character would destroy the entire universe
cFive: "No character gimmicks without using that character's model"
also cFive: *KO punch on inkling*
ko punch is a move tho aura is not
@@epicking8341 A move named "Straight Lunge" that literally changes (not just becomes stronger like Mii Brawler's Side-B "Onslaught") into an extremely powerful move called "KO Uppercut"... also known as KO Punch. That's what you call a gimmick. Otherwise, you could simply give anyone "Power Geyser". It's just a move, right? One that is unlocked by taking damage but the move itself isn't a gimmick, right? Nope, C5 just broke his own rules without realising it.
Instead of gaining redness, maybe use Inkling's FS effect where her hair inks up as you get KO Punch, or even maybe that white flashing effect that happens with charged moves (like FLUDD). Just an idea, I dunno how well that'd be to mod in compared to reddening.
All and all, great video! I had a fun time tryna guess the moves you 2 slapped on these abominations lol
Now I have to see these two collaborate with Tcnick3, I NEED to see their creations compete with George
I liked the little interviews in between segments. You guys should do this again! There’s a lot of challenge potential here.
For example use a random generator to give each of you 2-3 characters and you build your best combo character from those pieces.
Really luv this format!
3:55 lmao these parts were so funny to me cuz I kept imaging a History channel filter the way they explained stuff like it was in a documentary
Five had the most half-baked character lol. How did you think both KO punch and rest was a good idea?
This is so cool!
I wish this "feature" was more accessible
I realize now...this is the series I look forward to the most on a Friday :)
edit: wait was the office style interview on purpose?
The character I came up with is this.
Base character is Terry.
Nair: Ganondorf
Dair: Ganondorf
Bair: Sephiroth
Uair: Sephiroth
Fair: Bowser
Jab: Mega man
Utilt: Snake
Ftilt: Snake
Dtilt: Snake
Dash attack: Snake
Neutral B: Snake
Down B: Snake
Up B: Kazuya
Side B: Richter
Up Smash: Snake
Forward smash: Kazuya
Down smash: Kazuya
(Assuming that this can be changed) Pummel: Snake
Uthrow: Kazuya
Fthrow: DK
Bthrow: Sephiroth
Dthrow: Snake
For anyone who cares, I'll give my explanations, and for anyone who wants a TLDR: Snake is good, what if we gave him more utility, better movement, and more kill options.
Dorf Nair: arguably the best in the Nair in the game, long lasting and strong.
Dorf Dair: its based, and also no one wants to get hit by a move that strong, on stage or off.
Sephiroth Bair has long reach and is a good kill option
Sephiroth Uair: spacing? What's that?
Bowser Fair: it's a good move, and I'll admit that nothing else really came to mind
Mega man Jab: lemons
Snake Utilt: good kill move, and also (insert brawl hitbox joke here)
Snake Ftilt: comes out frame 4
Snake Dtilt: good reach, good poking tool, and also I'm used to it. Dorf Dtilt was also up for consideration due to it's similar nature.
Snake Dash attack: super fast and the start of it makes his upper body intangible.
Snake Neutral B: there is no character that wouldn't benefit from having snakes grenades. Best Neutral B in the game, the only debate I'll take is shulk's monado arts because it fall into a similar category.
Snake Down B: snake's C4 gives an incredible amount of stage control and let's him recover from pretty much anywhere.
Kazuya Up B: snake's drone but faster, also a great kill option
Richter side B: more projectiles and combo potential.
Kazuya Side B was up for consideration though since it could be a great option to set up for a kill. I decided against it because it's laggy up it misses or hits shield, and also I don't feel like figuring out if Kazuya's Side/Up B thing applies in this situation since the character would have both. (You can't use side B and Up B together in the air, if you use one, you can't use the other until you land back on stage or grab ledge.)
Snake Up Smash: More projectiles and Ledge trapping
Kazuya Forward Smash: I'm guessing this is the one with the most kill potential. It deals something like 40% when fully charged and the sweetspot hits.
Kazuya Down Smash: it's a shield breaker. I'll let the opposition find out what happens when they try to shield one of the grenades.
Snake Pummel is good, but if it has to stay the same as the base characters Pummel, there's no issue with that.
Kazuya Up throw: it's a kill throw and nothing else came to mind.
DK Forward Throw: why have 4 throws when you can have 7-8 (I refuse to debate if the cargo hold itself is a throw.)
Sephiroth Back throw: it has some combos. Only thing that comes to mind immediately though is B throw into Bair at lower percents (both of them are Sephiroth Moves. 10 points to whoever can guess why I know that combos.)
Snake Down Throw: tech chases.
As I said before, my overall reasoning came down to the fact that I play Snake, I know how dumb his tools are, so what if we gave him more.
Initially my original base was Sephiroth, but the idea I had for the moveset reached a point where having someone with the same weight as f*cking Kirby leads to a character that dies a way too early.
I stand by the fact that Snake's grenades would benefit any character, but having a move set that is pretty much just snake's but better on one of the lightest characters in the game doesn't allow for a character that can survive for that long.
It'd be the same thing as giving Mythra Ganondorf's speed and weight. Her frame data would be great and she'd likely be able to survive for longer, but good luck accomplishing anything with a character that slow with that little power. You'd likely just end up playing Pyra most, if not all, of the time.
i actually had an idea for a dlc character back during the last 2 or 3 dlc slots. it was ditto and you could customize it like a mii but you could pick every one of its moves from any character. glad my idea has been made through a mod
This is the content i was waiting for. Just like good old moveset-swap in brawl used to be. Please do more episodes of this concept with different stuff!
Here’s how you make the best character in the game:
Greninja base attributes
Steve blocks
Mario down throw
Bayonetta up and side b
Falco up tilt
Bowser or Shulk forward air
Byleth or Palutena up air
Boom. That’s really all you need for Smash 4 Bayonetta on steroids
(Maybe throw in a projectile or two to force an approach. Hero down b comes to mind)
I would love to see a video series on this concept with Ultimate character archetypes. Ultimate spammer with Sonic for speed, an Lucario survivor, an heavy hitter who can kill super early, etc...
I liked the new American Documentary style!
The Office cut aways!💯👌🤣
I'm still waiting for somebody to make the ultimate projectile spammer. Samus neutral b, Snake down b, Villager side b, Rob up b, Villager forward/back air, Megaman up/down/neutral air, Palutena up smash, Mii Gunner side smash, Game&Watch down smash, Megaman forward tilt/jab, Game&Watch down tilt, Steve up tilt, Isabel grab, Kazuya up throw, Fox back throw, Rob down throw, and Bowser pummel. At least, that's my idea of an opponent you couldn't possibly get close to. Oh, and put all of this in an incredibly small body, like Pichu, or a heavy with built in armor, like Bowser or Kazuya.
I was laughing seeing Inkling use Steve’s fire attack because it made me wonder what was going through her head at that moment!
Snake utilt, Fox dash attack, G&W upb, Hero command selection...this man was serious 😂
I really want a pt2 to this
i know this vid is old now, but it would be awesome if u did this again but only fusing 2 characters together, so like for example wii fit and falcon, the character can only have moves from both and it needs to be the same amount of moves from each character
This was a great video and I had lot of fun watching it, thank you 😊
i once imagined a mod where you could do this in game maybe in 1000 years but this is dope
Without watching the video, my character would be:
Model, jumps, movement: Sonic
Jab: Isabelle
Ftilt: Ganon
Dtilt: Incineroar
Utilt: Steve
FSmash: Sonic
DSmash: Ness
USmash: Min Min
Nair: Paluntena
Fair: Steve
Bair: Sephiroth
Dair: Game & Watch
Uair: Incineroar
Grab: Pac-Man
Pummel: Kazuya
Fthrow: DK, if banned Kazuya
Bthrow: Incineroar
Uthrow: Mewtwo
Dthrow: Luigi
NSpecial: Shulk, if banned Joker
SSpecial: Sonic
DSpecial: Sonic
USpecial: Game & Watch
Luigi’s grab game with Steve Fair replacing Luigi down air. Incineroar dtilt and Paluntena Nair also extend combos. Pretty sure Luigi down throw combos into MinMin up smash at kill percent, but if it doesn’t, you have Incineroar and Mewtwo kill throws.
Other than that, you’re Sonic with ludicrously fast kill moves and combo starters, plus Game and Watch Up Special to escape from anything.
Enjoyed this format! Cool concept!!
omg you guys NEED to make a part 2!!..
Like restrict it so whatever moves & character you guys just had, you can't pick again. But cFive could pick whatever vyQ had etc.
I loved the modding but I liked even more the mid match edits with added commentary
Loving the interview cuts during the matches!
just found your channel. gotta say never seen such someone truly live up to their name but you guys are some real beefy smash doods.
Was that TCNick3 George at the beginning?
I’m pretty sure they’ve played with nicks George before in a video so they know about him, so i say it is
Rest AND KO punch?
Yeah, officer, this is the guy.
I'm surprised that neither character had any kind of projectiles.
Quite frankly, they wanted to make “cool” characters lol
The most cursed fighter moveset ever: Piranha Plant with. . .
Natural Special: Charge Shot (Dark Samus)
Side Special: Photon Edge (Mythra)
Up Special: Balloon Trip (Isabelle)
Down Special: Command Selection (Hero)
Jab: Little Mac
Foward Tilt: Bayonetta
Up Tilt: Gannondorf
Down Tilt: Meta Knight
Neutral Air: King K. Rool
Forward Air: Captain Falcon
Up Air: Richter
Down Air: Dr. Mario
Forward Smash: Min Min
Down Smash: Steve
Up Smash: Palutena
Dash Attack: King Dedede
Edge Attack: Ridley
Floor Attacks: Cloud
Grab / Pummel: Yoshi
Forward Throw: Mewtwo
Up Throw: Ness
Back Throw: Lucas
Down Throw: Bowser
Final Smash: Zelda
I hope they do this again. Like they can try to supe up their mains while trying to keep them same enough
I like how they turned this into part documentary
Inkling with weird stretchy arms actually looks pretty natural. Seeing as Inkling is a stretchy looking cartoon octopus squid thing.
I'm not sure how well it would work, but given the same tools my first thought is ZSS down smash > Ganon side special > Sora down tilt > Roy up-smash
Some of these animations are so cursed !!!
GGs :D
"Kirby down air isn't so good on Kirby because he is floaty." -vyQ
0:39 pichu's hurtbox is actually bigger than Pikachu's
Oh, the things I could do to bayonetta with this.
Range, kill power, combos, so much stuff
little mac forward smash can be angled as a combo starter and deal crazy damage as well
You guys should do one, when you make a character for each other and you have to try and make the worst possible character
That's a nice idea, but consider:
Samus model/stats (Good air mobility, heaviest character without being a superheavy. Also less relevant, but ledge attack is pretty big. Rip rolls tho)
Tilts:
F - Marth (Pivot Ftilt is actually surprisingly good with Samus' movement, and Marth's Ftilt is large, disjointed, and fairly easy to tipper)
U - Falco (Big anti-air, and Samus has the mobility to get good combos off it)
D - Samus (This move is disgusting, and people don't talk about it. It can two frame easily, and can kill confirm with a good aerial)
Smashes:
F - Meta Knight (Who needs endlag, am I right? You'll be forcing air dodges near the ground a lot due to the up tilt, so this has a surprising amount of use cases between that and ledge trapping)
U - Ridley (Out of the "cover the entire platform" options, this is the fastest for out of shielding people if they cross you up. I did consider Ganondorf for the obscene shield damage the front hitbox has though)
D - Little Mac (Fast, armored two framing to beat out large hitboxes. Meta Knight was also in consideration for speed and disjoint though)
Aerials
N - Pikachu (Dragdown into imagination. In an absolutely dire situation, Nair to Down Tilt kills around 130-150 depending on character)
U - Corrin (One of the better upward swings. Less laggy than Pyra, Sephiroth, or Ike, bigger and stronger than most other takes on the concept. Should connect reliably out of up tilt for a while, and potentially kill confirms off down tilt against floatier characters)
F - Lucina (Tippers are more finicky in the air, and Samus should be able to carry people well with this)
D - Snake (No spike, but it comes out really fast and gives an air stall. Because this character needed more options OOS and recovery power)
B - Samus (Down Tilt Bair kill confirms at ledge. Her movement stats feel very tuned around Bair's hitbox. If you're not as comfortable with her movement, Cloud is a perfectly fine substitute)
Other normals:
Jab - Little Mac (frame 1, and more reliable than ZSS')
Dash Attack - Snake (Why is it invincible?)
Specials:
N - Mii Gunner's Mortar (This thing is obscene, the only thing keeping it in check is Mii Gunner's god awful movement. Let's fix that)
S - Incineroar (They tried shielding? In mid range? Lol. Lmao, even. This gives you a reliable kill button if for some reason none of the confirms are working)
U - Game and Watch.
D - Sheik (Recovery, most likely kill confirms off a lot of previous tools)
Grab+Throws:
Grab - Samus (Tethers are better than ever in Ultimate, and you force shield a lot in its effective range. Plus, this bundles in the best Zair in the game for even more mid-range harassment and recovery utility. Probably confirms into Bouncing Fish too)
U - Mewtwo (Strongest up throw besides Incineroar, but the increased base KB means you can use it to set up juggles earlier than the cat's)
F - Jigglypuff (Post patch, the angle this sends at is disgusting. Sets up into Fair pretty easily, and hard reading their jump into Bouncing Fish probably kills them at absurd percents)
D - Snake (At the point where Snake can guarantee up tilt, Samus can guarantee down tilt. And it will absolutely kill by then. Until then, Grab, Ftilt, Side B, Down Smash, and Dair all cover multiple options well, and lead to goid reward or even a stock)
B - Ness.
Up Taunt: Snake (I almost forgot to give Samus a second projectile, and somehow Puff Forward throw just feels like it puts them in just the right place that a box will force a high recovery)
Final report: This character thrives in neutral and advantage, with a lot of big hitboxes and ways to either confirm kills or just kill outright. She's especially good at forcing shields and capitalizing with her grab or Alolan Whip, or just outright popping them with Mortar plus aerial or tipper f-tilt. Mortar can also lead to generous confirm windows even if not blocked. She still has to deal with the typical Samus issues of getting out of disadvantage (especially juggles), but she has enough ways to play with her aerial momentum that it should be a bit better than "drop Bomb and pray". I elected not to give her any cheese like Rest, Monado, KO, or Waft in order to keep her design focused. The end result will be a character who feels oppressive to fight, but that the opponent can't complain about being a proper zoner. She only has one real projectile, guys.
I think the best way to approach this challenge is to tame your main and leave most of their kit the same but change the moves used the least to be Incredibly Broken. That way your playing with a kit you already mostly understand but get broken options to use separate from the kit.
That's so lame lol
Yall HAVE to do this again!!!
The real most broken character would have Mythra's movement, Steve's jab and blocks, Kazuya's EWGF, Sonic's spin dash, Palutena's nair, G&W up-b, and Cloud back-air.
drag down to ko punch is DIRTY
drag down to rest is equally dirty
14:23 it look like inkling became a yelly after that rest
i think the Neutral Bs were kinda a throw away, there ain’t Bad but stuff like Charge shot or Zeldas is way better
Yeah there is definitely much better stuff but due to limitations I picked pyra..
Would have loved to have sonic first 😊
@@vyq6014 Oh yes that would’ve been cheesy
@@vyq6014 ❤️Außerdem muss ich mich bei euch bedanken, ich bin deutsch und habe nur auf Deutsch UA-cam geschaut, euren Kanal fand ich aber so interessant, dass ich trotz mangelnder Englisch Kentnisse jedes Video geschaut habe, dadurch ist mein Englisch sehr viel besser geworden und ich schaue heute viel Englisch YT und war sogar auf einem Israel austausch, wo mich alle für mein gutes Englisch gelobt haben ♥️♥️♥️ Danke dafür
I would love to see you guys fight with two viewer made custom characters
I like the addition of commentary
This is officially the most cursed video cover they've ever done.
I think KO punch in this is OP, it should be one of those mechanics where you have to use little mac base model to use it. I don't see how giving your custom character KO punch is any less fair than giving custom character Lucario's Aura.
since it's only on neutral b, and he has to bring macs neutral b with it
Wow the format of this video was great
Should have went with meta knight up-b, would have been better for the same purpose
I think VyQ made the better overall character, but I think both are sleeping on how good incineroar's down tilt is. It combos forever, and on an actual fast character it would be insane. Running in, poking with down tilt and then following up with a pyra forward or up air.
I’m disappointed that neither went for thrust uppercut, neither went for fox up-smash, and neither went for ZSS movement.
Okay so possibly dumb question but what's the song at 14:07?
The hero Oomph and pshych up are such good buffs to a custom moveset. Like pyra with oomph is a monster. Imagine if you can get monado buster + oomph + psych up?
Definitely do this again
What if you created a character, using frame data, that is specifically curated to have the easiest-to-perform, most consistent zero-to-death combo possible?
You should try replacing the Link Up-B with Sora's, it feels a lot stronger
if you used Marth as a base, would your moves have tippers?
if you used Robin as a base, would your moves have levin sword's killpower?
if you used joker as a base, would you get arsene power on all your custom moves?
so many questions
Nice abominations
You can mod these custom fighters onto pokemon trainer and make them switch with taunt.
Then you'd have that cursed diddy, cursed inkling and cursed sheik all in one fighter
I have so many questions about the limits of this.
For example can you have Shulk’s monatos on anyone other than Shulk?
Even if not can you have Shulk but with other moves, like smash monato knee killing at 10%?
Can you put the pyra/mythra swap with each swap having their own set of moves?
Same idea with pokémon trainer?
Can you put MinMin down B onto other characters?
Really enjoyed the video and hope to see more stupid abominations!
Y'all should experiment with the Tanooki Leaf in a video. It gives every character Peach's float cancels!
me putting all of the kazuya moves: 🔥🔥💯🗣️🗣️
If you can't have Lucario's aura, K.O. Punch feels like the same thing, right?
Lucarios aura is more of a passive thing, KO punch is tied to mac neutral b, so he got both
Game & Watch and Ivysaur’s Up Bs exist.
C5: I think I’ll choose Link’s.
i see that Into the AM shirt, i love that brand
With mods you get to see how truly privileged your main is
Also that thumbnail is so cursed 😟
Do more of these custom character videos plz!
One of the best up+b moves you could have chosen is Byleth's.
Can someone make a smash ultimate randomizer please? I click random and its a random base character with every move random