@@omarcogle1965 Exactly, but those rules don't apply to lesbians, only to straight couples like Ross and Rachel. For the L Word fandom, its basically like this: Straightland: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Lesboland: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of endgame/true love.
@@TDKiller415 Then that's the problem right there, if people can call out Ross & Rachel's relationship out, the same should apply to Bette & Tina, regardless of them being Lesbians. Another example as you & I mentioned, are the Joker & Harley Quinn, who's also a toxic couple that gets called out a lot. 2 things I want to say also: Stef & Lena from the Fosters are a better functioning Lesbian couple than Bette & Tina, also do you remember back in the day when people didn't want LGBTQ couples raising kids, because they think they might make also LGBTQ, ironically they ended up being right about it. Examples: Real Life- BD Wong (Gay actor) who's married to a man also has a Gay son. Cynthia Nixon (Bisexual actress) who's married to a woman also has a Trans daughter. Fictional: Bette & Tina (Lesbian couple) also has a LGBTQ daughter, Angie. Max (Transman) with his partner are raising LGBTQ kids. Stef & Lena (Lesbian couple) raising a Gay son, Jude, and Callie is possibly questioning.
@@omarcogle1965 Someone actually did have the guts (can't say balls, because it was a woman) to make a list of 21 most romanticised toxic fictional couples ever, and Bette and Tina were 15. Ross/Rachel and Joker/Harley Quinn were on that list too.
@@monikaknolton3440 But the only problem is that they both keep hurting each other and they don't see that. To Bette and Tina, it's like they can't breathe without each other.
@@omarcogle1965 Exactly. Thats why its called a toxic relationship. This concept of a battered person or a cycle of abuse was first written about in 1979 by Dr. Lenore E. Walker, who won the Distinguished Media Award for it, and loads of psychiatrists and psychologists have followed suit. Its called "toxic" because the two feel a need to be together but being together is actually doing more damage to each other and other people than good, but they either don't see it or for whatever reason, they don't care. Its like a drug addiction. So here as a good example we have Bette and Tina, one a domineering and abusive partner and the other a weak and helpless partner who can't stand up for herself properly and who sometimes even pines for her abusive partner back (she most likely thinks "It won't happen again" or "It was the final time" like almost all battered spouses do) and worst of all, in this case, their mutual friends, Alice and Shane, keep interfering and like idiots keep on insisting that they belong together. They aren't true friends who tell them the truth by saying enough is enough and its time to go their separate ways because all they do is cause trouble.
@@monikaknolton3440 Alice isn't exactly the brightest star in the sky. She's done a lot of stupid, immature and sometimes dangerous things herself. Just because she says Bette and Tina belong together, it doesn't mean they do. What she and Shane did in the shop by telling Bette instead of Tina that Carrie was having second thoughts was not what a real friend does.
As much as I hated this storyline, I've got to admit, Carrie really stood out here. The way she finally stood up to Bette, to the point that Bette tried to genuinely apologise and Tina began begging Bette to go. Carrie had it a lot easier than Henry and Jodi. Tina and Bette just used those two. Carrie saw what Bette was doing and how defenceless Tina was, so she walked out herself. Got to give the woman credit for that. She didn't run away. She basically told both Bette and Tina to go fuck themselves because she'd had enough of their games.
@@omarcogle1965 Well Bette cheated on her and made a fool of her, and made her feel like an outcast in the group, especially with Shane and Alice parroting that Bette and Tina belong together. I think Bette really deserved it, if not worse. She broke an innocent woman's heart by using her for sex and then dumping her for her ex, and then she had the cheek to try and have her fired from the university. I was so glad when Phyllis convinced Bette to resign instead, because of both Nadia and Jodi. That was one time Bette didn't get her way, she couldn't win against Jodi because Jodi was too good for her. I'm not saying its right, but some people ruin or even kill their partners for adultery. Bette still got off VERY easy, even with that humiliation. Bette humiliated Jodi first, don't forget that.
@@omarcogle1965 I know. Its all an endless cycle of bullshit. I think one needs to be in the US and the other in Europe for it to end permanently. Whenever they're around each other, an atmosphere of misery appears, whether its them or whoever one of them is dating or living with. Classic toxic people. So much misery and heartbreak, but they are drawn to each other. Its almost like an unhealthy drug, and to glorify such a relationship on television as "endgame" is just so wrong and unethical. I've read a lot of recent comments from users saying how fed up they are now, far more than before.
Carrie is so insecure that annoys me. Tina can't avoid Bette, they have a child together and Bette does need to be friends with Carrie, they just need to be polite to each other to what I believe Bette was.
To be honest, Bette wasn't polite to Carrie, anytime she opened her mouth, Bette took cheap shots at her, and Tina didn't stand up for her until last minute. Bette & Tina did raise Angie, and will always raise remember your fight.
Bette was the insecure one, thats why she was being so cruel, petty and spiteful to Carrie. She couldn't stomach the idea that Tina chose someone else over her, much like Gaston regarding Belle and Beast in Beauty and the Beast. Those are the most typical traits of narcissistic personality disorder, and thats what got Nicole Brown killed by OJ Simpson when she divorced him and began seeing other men to move on with her life while she was still raising their children. Anyone who blames Carrie for the whole thing is basically another scumbag victim blamer. I know for a fact that had it been a man in Bette's place and Carrie was a femme lesbian, no one would be on the man's side, they would all call him a lesbophobic misogynist who should've been served with a restraining order.
@@TDKiller415 Have you been watching season 3 by any chance of Generation Q? Tibette's relationship is saved and everyone else's relationship has gone straight to hell. Tina didn't confront Shane about her knowing that Carrie getting cold feet, and Bette didn't say anything about it.
@@omarcogle1965 Hey Omar 👍🏻 I only saw the first two episodes, Marja just skipped the whole thing with a "one year later" so she wouldn't have to write the consequences of Bette and Shane's actions, and gave us another shitty TiBette reunion by suckering us with them role playing their first meeting and then plagiarising Imagine Me & You for their next "final reunion". For me the only saving grace was the superb acting and it reminded me a bit of Notting Hill, one of my favourite movies. Beals has that talent that no matter how cringe or stupid a script is, she can salvage it with her acting. I've read here and there that ratings and popularity have gone down since because Marja wrote Bette and Tina out of the series, and then broke up Dani/Gigi and Shane/Tess for the sake of drama, so I didn't bother watching episode 3. I did hear that Daniel Sea came back as Max for episode 4, met Micah and he has 4 kids with a trans partner, because it was all over the internet, so that did please me, especially after how anti-trans the OG was, but other than that, I'm not watching anymore. Same old bullshit over and over again. What about you? Still watching?
@@TDKiller415 I watched some of the episodes of Season 3, except for the Musical episode, which I'll probably watch. I agree with you on the fact that Bette & Tina didn't face the consequences of their actions, and neither did Shane, Alice & Tess, who was guilty by association. Season 3 was its weakest Season.
This season should've had the title: "The L Word Generation Q: How to Sabotage your Ex-Wife's new Engagement, Screw Every Woman in LA, and Still Win Your Ex-Wife Back" 🤣🤣
Don't bother, kid. Season 3 is a reboot that starts one year after season 2, all is "forgiven and forgotten" once again, Bette and Tina hook up and run away to Canada together in episode 2 and have not been in any episodes since then. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Ah, the old victim blaming ploy again 😁 Did you not hear Tina say "No one expects you to measure up to her"? When you tell your partner/fiancé, directly to their face, that they will never measure up to their ex, thats basically ASKING for the relationship to fail. Carrie was looking for an excuse? Tina was the one who fucked it up with that comment. Sure, Bette had done her fair share of making Carrie feel unwelcome in the family, even though both Tina and Angie loved her a lot, but Tina was the one who drove the final nail in the coffin. Can you blame Carrie for walking away after that? Would YOU stay with your fiancé who compared you to their ex spouse like that? Think hard, gov.
@@TDKiller415Tina m told her that because she didn't want her to be like Bette but to just be herself. Bette might not have been fond of Carrie but she wasn't going to destroy her and Tina's happiness
@@nightslayer6951 It doesn't matter what you mean, you have to choose your words wisely to avoid offending someone. Tina's choice of words was VERY poor, she basically said that Carrie would never measure up to Bette. She could've very easily said something like "I don't expect you to be like Bette, because I chose YOU over her." The "measuring up" thing was VERY offensive and hurtful, because it was the same as saying "No one expects you to be as good as her," especially when Carrie was already being bullied by Bette at every turn and no one was standing up for her. By not standing up for Carrie and then saying that disgusting line to her face, Tina literally helped ruin her own engagement. Carrie was not to blame at all, she stood up to Bette when she was rude to her and paid for it when Tina didn't back her up. Bette and Tina were the ones to blame, so stop with your victim blaming, because its vile and filthy, and I know for a fact that had it been a man who had behaved that way and caused Bette to leave Tina, you would be fully on Bette's side and say the man was to blame.
@@nightslayer6951 And if Bette didn't want to destroy Tina and Carrie's happiness, she would've behaved herself properly with Carrie, but because she's a weak, insecure, petty, self-centered, jealous, narcissistic sociopath, she couldn't help herself, so she knocked/dismissed Carrie at every turn, even when Carrie tried to be nice and respectful, to the point that she was disturbed by Angie wearing Carrie's cufflinks even though Angie wanted to. She knew it would possibly cause a rift between Tina and Carrie, but she didn't care at all. Bette was easily the main villain of this season. And the sad thing is, apparently she won. She bagged the ultimate prize when her trophy blonde came back to her like the battered woman she is.
@@nightslayer6951 And of course, as I expected, you dodged that specific question. If your spouse or fiancé said that you would never measure up to their ex spouse, wouldn't that be like a knife in your heart? Think VERY hard before you answer. No BS.
Ouch, I don’t think that’s what Carrie expected her to say to the not measuring up bit but I do think she deep down probably knew that’s how Tina felt. We heard it Carrie and damn. 5 fingers to the face.
Actually no one expects that to come from their fiance. I mean when you hear that and come to that sudden realisation of what a shallow, stupid, battered idiot your fiance really is, to tell you that you will never measure up to their ex spouse, especially when they know you're already trying to do so even when you don't have to, its quite the heartbreaker, let alone a deal breaker. I can understand Carrie completely severing her ties with Tina after that, not texting her back or answering her calls for a whole year in season 3, but for Tina to forgive Bette and take her back with her to Canada after all that shit she put them through in season 2? Well...... I kind of rest my case about Tina. She was the ultimate objectified dumb blonde woman of the 2020s. People wouldn't dare write this shit in today's series or films if men were involved in the story. Penny started as a street smart dumb blonde in the Big Bang Theory but she slowly evolved into an intelligent saleswoman but also something of a bully towards Leonard at the same time, but women still criticise her dumb blonde personality at the start, they ignore her character growth. Tina, however, stays popular and everyone likes her as Bette's property despite her lack of growth and independence.
@@TDKiller415 You know what's also sad about Tina too, and I know me and you have had this conversation, is also that not only did Tina take Bette back, but also stayed friends with Shane, who not only knew that Carrie had cold feet about marrying Tina, but didn't have the balls to tell her about, and instead told Bette.
@@omarcogle1965 Exactly, but if you noticed, Marja retconned Tina's feelings for Carrie as being a lie because she was still in love with Bette. Bullshit storytelling, but hey, she had to put something to appease the ignorant masses. So that way, it could be seen by the idiots that Shane actually saved Tina from doing something she might have regretted for the rest of her life. We all know the reality that Shane stabbed Tina, Carrie and Pippa in the back all at once, because Shane didn't know Tina didn't really love Carrie, and Tina was stupid enough to still see Shane as a friend and Bette as her true love, but Marja just needed to reboot Tina's feelings by adding the line "I can't be with Carrie because I'm in love with you" in order to vindicate Bette and Shane's terrible actions, so that it would put Tina more at fault, that she was just using Carrie the whole time like Henry and would've possibly jilted her for Bette or cheated on her with Bette or some of the series' usual BS. It just made Tina look just as bad as Bette and Shane, if not worse, in my opinion. The icing on the cake was Tina taking Bette back again right after Bette had shown her selfishness coming back by asking her not to go back to Canada. Tina had just seen the alarm bells and she had left angrily, but she immediately took Bette back when Bette suggested that she run away to Canada with Tina, even if it meant leaving Angie to fend for herself with no parents to support her emotionally, leave her in the hands of a bunch of cheating idiots, and all that must've been like "Oh she's offering to drop everything to come and be with me? She really has changed. Maybe this time it will work." But that only encourages determination to not lose control, and encourages victims to keep showing their abusers mercy. Someone with Bette's mindset would initially say "I want to spend the rest of my life loving you more and more each day," but she would eventually grow to hate Tina for "making" her drop her career and move to Canada because she refused to back down, and it would lead to another round of misery for Tina, possibly this time permanent, because those other times it was Tina who kept leaving, but if the house in Canada was Tina's, she would be in the position to tell Bette to leave, which she obviously wouldn't dare, or maybe Bette would simply refuse to leave. And Ross and Rachel's endgame received far more criticism than this 🤣🤣
@@TDKiller415 And don't forget to add the fact of Tina getting pissed at Bette for Carrie breaking up with her, then a few minutes later shows up and Bette's house, just when she was about to see Pippa.
@@omarcogle1965 Like I said, rebooting and retconning left right and centre and leaving endless plotholes around 🤷🏻♂️ Ruined the show all for a bunch of shallow idiots. One user here even said Carrie endured all that suffering because she committed the sin of "not being Bette".
@@omarcogle1965 Tina wanted an answer as to why Bette was still harassing her and being cruel to Carrie while she was with Pippa. Wanted some sort of closure. I think if Bette had said that she was, maybe Tina would have said she would always love her but she was not in love with her anymore because she was with Carrie. But if Tina goes back to Bette, if somehow Bette's horrible actions have convinced her that she is still her one true love, then she's one stupid battered idiot.
@@TDKiller415 The thing is, Bette wasn't harassing Tina, she was being an a**hole to Carrie, because she's bitter. Tina should've been more honest with Carrie, when you look at those two, you can tell Tina's heart isn't it, and she's forcing herself to be with her. Bette's trying to move on as well with Pippa, but you can't blame her for feeling a certain type of way. Bette and Tina don't think about the damage they do when they get other people involved in their back and forth with each other.
@@omarcogle1965 I don't think Tina was forcing herself, she was insisting she wanted to marry Carrie. She accepted Carrie's proposal, she begged Carrie to stay with her. You don't do that if your heart isn't in it.
where's that energy you had when you cussed that nurse out for not helping your baby keep that same energy and CUSS THESE HEFFAS OUT💯 AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RELATIONSHIP LIKE A REAL WOMAN
Battered people often show strength and courage against other people, but they always cower before their abusers. When the abuser bullies or intimidates them or dominates their lives for long enough, it becomes natural, and seeing someone else stand up to them looks stupid to them, like when Tina told Carrie not to speak badly about Bette. Tina wasn't used to anyone standing up to Bette because of how battered she is by her. So of course, Tina would stand up to the nurse or anyone else, but out of fear or intimidation, she would prioritise Bette over her fiancé, because she's an idiot and a fool.
@@TDKiller415 NO HONEY BETTE WAS FIGHTING FOR HER BABY ANGIE NOT MS DOUBTFIRE. IM TALKING ABOUT BETTE NEEDS TO CUSS T AND CARRIE OUT LIKE CARRIE AND T JUST DID AND HOW T DID HER IN EP9 AND 10
Honestly, throw the rest of the entire series out the window, the last two seasons did it all in one. Bette used every classic tactic in the narcissism book. Gaslighting, guilt tripping, negging and then finally the love bombing 😂😂 But yeah, its "endgame" LOL Good luck lesboland if THIS is what you truly see as "true love", apart from all the other shit you saw in previous seasons, and especially if you really believe you're the "tolerant left" when you shit on your own such as Ruby Rose and Rosie O'Donnell over the roles they're cast in. #StandWithThePatriarchy ✊🏻
Another example of double standards when it comes to Bette and Tina: When one cheats on the other with another woman, its bad. When they cheat on someone with each other, its good. So basically, if Bette and Tina are endgame, those same standards make their other relationships endgame like Bette and Candace, Bette and Jodi or Tina and Henry. Those involved cheating as well, just like when Bette cheated on Jodi with Tina. But of course, the same old picking and choosing when cheating is right or wrong. What an absolutely rotten fandom.
@@omarcogle1965 I think they should just leave it at this stage. Gen Q season 1 was a nice way to close the door on TiBette. Their story in seasons 2 and 3 was basically Marja opening the doors again just to vomit some fatphobic and racist sewage out. Marja lost all creative credibility in my book after season 2. I read that season 3 was overall considered a disaster save for TiBette's second marriage. Without those two, season 4 will fail.
@@omarcogle1965 There's an interview where Marja actually contradicts herself. When she began Gen Q she made it clear that she wanted to go in new directions but in the interview she says it was always her intention to reunite Bette and Tina. A clear lie. She said that after season 2 she was harassed with direct messages on social media that said "Give us TiBette or else". Could've been construed as death threats. She clearly caved to the shallow rotten fandom made of bullies. Just another portion of the rainbow mafia. Its pretty obvious that the "One Year Later" was just to avoid telling a story about how Tina would give Bette a fourth chance, especially since Bette had ruined Tina's engagement. That "One Year Later" actually made Tina look even worse, such a battered old dummy that she thought this spiteful monster was her true love (like Harley and Joker) and that Shane and Alice were actually her friends looking out for her when they were only looking out for Bette.
Because she isn't femme like Bette and Tina? Too manly? Too intimidated by that bitch Bette? That was the attitude many black women had towards Nicole Brown, because she was the white woman who the black man OJ Simpson chose to marry over them, and because she supposedly "allowed" OJ to abuse and kill her.
Is it just me or did it not seem fairly obvious that Bette was going to tell Tina she’s moving on? Also why does no one ever talk about Carrie physically threatening Bette? People would be up in arms if it was the other way around….
When it comes to Bette and Tina, subconsciously they can't let each other go. Also you have to keep in mind, no one including Tina said anything when Bette was knitpicking and taking cheap shots at Carrie everytime she either said something or overstep her boundaries.
@@omarcogle1965 to be honest with the Carrie stuff I felt it was the other way around. Carrie was the one overstepping boundaries. Outside of the therapy scene Bette largely just tried to bite her tongue while Carrie was basically harassing her by the end of the season Bette spent most of S2 showing she was moving on. Carrie and Tina were the ones who kept bringing her into their fragile relationship because they couldn’t bring themselves to admit that the problem in their relationship was each other. Bette was basically their scapegoat. In this scene I kept waiting for Bette to just be like ‘Carrie I haven’t done ANYTHING!’. Like this scene was kind of wild in the way Carrie and Tina act like teens and not the grown women they’re supposed to be
@@jellybean9053 The only thing though is that Bette didn't exactly move on until she met Pippa. She complained to Shane and Alice the Tina found someone else and she was going to die alone. Shane was completely in the wrong for telling Bette that Carrie had 2nd thoughts, and she could've told that to Tina. Also Tina didn't even defend Carrie from Bette until it was too late.
@@omarcogle1965 she wasn’t complaining about Tina finding someone else though. She was complaining because it reminds her that she’s alone and she doesn’t want to be. Bette absolutely wanted to move on but she just hadn’t met the person she wanted to move on with - which is fine I agree Shane was wrong but that wasn’t Bette’s fault. Bette didn’t use that information which she could have done. The only thing she did was to ask Tina why she’d asked that question which she had every right to. Tina had clearly fucked with her head and she wanted to clear it. Notice she didn’t demand to know Tina’s feelings or cross any boundaries. All she asked was ‘why did you ask me that?’. I thought Bette was nothing but fair in that scene while Carrie and Tina acted like children Infairness to Tina she DID defend Carrie when Bette got angry about the adoption comment. When else was she supposed to defend Carrie? Bette and Carrie only had that one argument which Tina did jump in to defend Carrie on. Even after the poker night with Bette/Carrie (where Carrie was entirely in the wrong for disrespecting very fair boundaries and insulting Bette throughout the conversation) Tina kept asking Bette why Carrie had been upset. Don’t get me wrong I think Tina was a terrible partner to Carrie (as Carrie was to Tina) but I don’t think there was an occasion she needed to defend Carrie more. Carrie was horrifically infantilised throughout S2 and really didn’t need to be enabled more than she already was
@@jellybean9053 True, but when it comes to Bette and Tina being with other people, on the surface they can handle it, subconsciously they can't handle seeing each other with other. They try so hard to move on from each other, but it's like they'll die without each other. When Tina decided to ask Bette that question if she was still in love with her, she opened up a can of worms in her relationship with Carrie, and then wanted to play victim when Bette asked her why did you ask. Bette and Tina need people who need to challenge them when it comes to relationships.
I think I'm the only one that feels like this season was not as well acted as the ones before. I just feel like many of the actors were not as passionate and did not portray their character the same way they have in the past. And I honestly feel like after all this time Peppa and bet would be a great couple but Tibette is over and done with in my opinion they get back together, Bitte cheats... they break up. it's just old news. This scene in my opinion was probably the worst yet I think Rose did a great job with what she was given but who just stands there when your fiance' walks away... Bottom line in my opinion the acting was just subpar
It was subpar because the scene was totally unbelievable. Rosie’s lines when she comes back with the drinks were stupid. She’s at least seen Bette kissing Gigi as Tina may have as well. She should be smart enough to figure out that someone as attractive as Bette hadn’t been living in a convent after her divorce.
This was way better than season one. I actually wanted the show to be cancelled after watching the first season, it didn't do the original show any justice and not even because of the lack of Bette and Tina but because they were trying to match Gen Q's characters with the old characters and it just doesn't work. I wasn't a fan of Shane's character before even though I didn't dislike her but Finley she's the worst . Tibette is one of the main reasons why the original series was a hit and Carrie and Tina was just never going to work just like Pippa and Bette doesn't work.The last scene wasn't that bad in my opinion and again in my opinion Carrie's got an inferiority complex that is triggered by Tina's affection for Bette and not the other way around. I mean Carrie feels inferior but she's not stupid, she knows exactly that Tina was saying that no one could ever compare to Bette so don't even bother,Tina had to safe herself there for a moment and also she was projecting when she was blaming Bette. Carrie wasn't wrong to feel that way but I mean going from someone like Bette who exudes confidence to someone like her who's inferiority complex is off the charts is massive and that's not even Tina's type, she probably convinced herself.
I thought overall this season was OK. Far inferior to season 1, mostly because of the fanservice TiBette story which turned out to be absolute crap and ruined the character growth that Bette showed in season 1, but some other stories like Angie wanting to meet Marcus or Dani dealing with her father's case were really interesting for me.
@@jean-hn1dt Don't be fooled by the outside. Sure, maybe Carrie had an inferiority complex, but Bette's insecurity was far worse. I mean for fuck's sake, trying to be spiteful to Carrie at every turn? Feeling intimidated or uneasy because Angie wanted to wear Carrie's cufflinks instead of her's? That speaks volumes about insecurity and inferiority complex. The only reason Bette is seen as the hero is because of her physical beauty, because the shallow shitheads can't see past it. I've read here and there that its been compared to Beauty and the Beast, where Gaston is considered the most handsome man and eligible bachelor in the village, but he feels threatened by the Beast who is far less attractive than him but who Belle chose over him, and instead of moving on and settling with any woman who'd be thrilled to marry him, he decides that if he can't have Belle, the Beast won't either. Its subconsciously Bette's state of mind here as well, that if she can't have Tina, then she will do all she can to make Tina's new fiancé feel unwelcome, with total disregard for Tina and Angie's feelings for Carrie, not caring in the world if Carrie eventually leaves and Tina and Angie possibly end up hating her for it. Its just unbelievable. I think Marja screwed Bette and Tina up more spectacularly than Ilene Chaiken could ever dream of doing. Its like what David Crane said about Rachel in the Friends reunion special, describing her as a selfish, spoiled brat, and that even though she's popular, he said this line: "In the wrong hands, you don't like Rachel." Thats how I see Bette, Tina and Shane now. They do really come off as stupid, selfish people. They may be beautiful on the outside, but inside, they're extremely ugly, and Carrie was the exact opposite. Not so attractive on the outside, but innocent and loveable on the inside.
Here's the irony, which most people seem to miss: Throughout the whole season, it was BETTE who was so weak and insecure that SHE was the one trying to measure up to Carrie, to the point that she was uncomfortable about something as trivial as Angie wearing Carrie's cufflinks instead of hers. She just couldn't come to terms with the fact that Tina would leave her for someone else. Her attitude was like "How dare you leave me for this unattractive butch!! What does she have that I don't??" Thats a very common trait in narcissists and sociopaths, they come off as confident and arrogant, but inside, they are the weakest people on the planet. Sure, Carrie felt insecure around Bette because she was the more attractive one, but Bette's behaviour demonstrated the whole time that she was the one trying to measure up to Carrie, not vice versa, because Tina had chosen Carrie over her, and she couldn't take it. THAT is an inferiority complex. If she didn't have that, she'd have moved on long ago.
There was something else in your post you forgot to mentioned when it comes to Bette's problem with Carrie. When Angie was using Carrie's cufflinks, Bette got triggered and had a problem with it. She wanted Angie to use hers instead of Carrie, but Angie wanted to Carrie's instead. She had a tiddy attack about it. I know that Bette's cufflinks are part of her identity and who she is, she shouldn't be that threatened by Angie using Carrie's instead of hers.
@@TDKiller415 And that's f**king sad. Bette's an attractive woman on the outside, but she's very pathetic and petty on the inside. If she had a good thing going, she f**ks it up and self sabotages it, and when she tries to take steps forward, she takes many steps back. Tina's just as petty, but she's weak petty.
@@omarcogle1965 You see? You just said it. She f**ks it up and sabotages it. Another classic narcissistic and sociopathic trait: self-sabotage or self-destruct mode. She's an attractive, career driven, succesful woman who can have what she wants, but because of her insecurities and weaknesses and pettiness, she can't have a stable relationship, but she's so lucky that she has one battered idiot out there always pining after her like a loyal dog, Tina. In the end, all her other lovers like Jodi, Felicity, Gigi and Pippa turned their backs on her and moved on when she showed who she really was. Tina's the one who just will not open her eyes no matter how many times Bette shits on her. Bette cheated on Tina for no reason and sexually assaulted her, Tina took her back. Bette kidnapped their child, Tina took her back. This time around, Bette played a crucial role in ruining Tina's engagement, yet Tina still went back to her. How anyone can still ship them as "endgame" is beyond me. I can only put it down to their sex scenes in the OG series, because had it been a man in Bette's place, he'd have become one of the most hated characters on television after cheating on Tina the first time and sexually assaulting her. When I saw a video where fans cheered like mad when Tina turned up at the doorstep, I was so disgusted. I think Ilene Chaiken is the first writer I've ever seen glorifying this kind of toxic stuff on television without being cancelled, and I was really disappointed that Marja forced another shit TiBette story into Generation Q after writing such a fantastic story for Bette in season 1. She took three steps forward with Bette in season 1, and then ten steps back in season 2.
Yet Bette was open to establishing a relationship with Pippa who she had more in common with on many levels. Bette was moved to tell Pippa she was the most beautiful woman she’d ever seen. Now she was either using a line just to get Pippa at that moment or she was really ready to move on with her life.
0:38 That was the final nail in the coffin. Carrie finally realised the toxic situation she was in, engaged to a battered woman still intimidated by her abusive ex-wife. Good of her to walk away. She really dodged a bullet. Tina was really lucky Carrie didn't punch her in the face for that or even just tell her to fuck off and never come near her ever again.
@@immatuccillocastaldo2786 Hmm, maybe you need to be treated like shit by your spouse's ex, your spouse to not stand up for you and then tell you that you will never measure up to their ex in order to understand why glorifying a relationship like this as "endgame" is a poison and cancer to society. I'm not the one taking it personally, sweetheart. Its the shallow shitheads who glorify Bette and Tina as the ultimate hot celebrity endgame couple as if they're real life and then bully and shame Rosie O'Donnell on social media for her appearance. THEY are the ones who take this personally, so don't play the "its only fiction" card with me. Save it for the TiBette geeks.
@@twill5077 So is that your way of saying that had it been a man in Bette's position, you'd still ship them as endgame? You wouldn't say that this was an abusive, self-centered, manipulative man? Don't make me laugh, jackass 🤡🤡 You misandrists are all the same
I read a report from the Los Angeles Times a couple of days ago criticising Bette and Tina for being portrayed again as so toxic in Generation Q, because it noted that this time, it exploited and poked fun at an overweight butch who was obviously less attractive than Bette, so for physical reasons she would stand no chance against Bette of having Tina even if she was 100x a better and bigger person than Bette. That was when it dawned on me that whenever Bette and Tina played their stupid games, someone who actually had a disadvantage was pulled into the middle. First it was Henry, who was a man and who would logically be hated by the lesbian characters. Second was Jodi, a deaf woman who was basically treated as subhuman. Third Carrie, an overweight butch who was considered "too manly" to be a lesbian. Fourth Pippa, who was considered "too black". This doesn't portray it fairly, and with fans out there who were actually saying that they should have got someone like Sarah Paulson to play Carrie just goes to show what a shallow audience this season was really created for. The LA Times said that it seemed as if Carrie was created for the purpose of being disliked and hated for her appearance. Honestly, I know this is only fiction, but this really needs to stop. It doesn't play fair with women's appearances. It pollutes young people's minds and it can make them pursue the most ditzy, shallow or abusive women out there based purely on their beauty. The comments all over just parroting about how hot Bette is even when she's angry and cruel speaks volumes. The best solution for this is to cancel the L Word once and for all. Ilene Chaiken and Marja Lewis Ryan both showed that they aren't capable of promoting positive lesbian images, all they depict is them going from one lover to another and not being able to settle down properly, they just bicker like teenagers well into their 40s or 50s. They just have more sexual luck than most people on dating apps put together. Sure, the OG did have a very crappy ending, but having Bette and Tina stay together or divorce were both good ideas (even though their reunion behind Jodi's back was really shit writing). Having them divorce but then reunite all over again for the sake of faservice was beyond stupid and unreal.
You stated some excellent points. But to be fair, I think the majority of the lesbian community view Carrie as a true lesbian. She is gorgeous because she looks like a real butch/stud and she isn't skinny. The original L Word didn't portray "real" lesbians.
@@jferbie2000 Yes but they don't like how she was maligned and characterised, like insecure and intimidated by Bette and how Tina said "No one expects you to measure up to her". The Los Angeles Times said the same about Finley, that she was portrayed badly in season 2 as well. I think the way Carrie was portrayed in the series, and how many fans left terrible comments about her like saying she's innocently evil etc, it left the majority of fans fed up, because they realised that Marja had turned Carrie into a stepping stone for Tina to appease the TiBette fandom, just to give them another recycled TiBette storyline and have them reunite once again. I think fans got so fed up of both Bette and Tina's attitudes that the series is now bordering on cancellation. An ending like that would logically immediately lead to a renewal for a third season if enough fans wanted them together.
I really hope Pippa and Bette are endgame…they have a very mature relationship and Pippa does not get intimated by Bette’s games. I just am not sure how Bette really feels about Pippa. I love Bette and Tina but they’ve grown in different directions. They will always be connected and the love will always be there but they can’t go back. They haven’t been in enough scenes together this season or last to show us who they are together now…if that makes sense. Just my 2 cents…
Marja Lewis Ryan just gave into fanservice and forced another stupid, boring TiBette story into the new series. I really hope Generation Q is cancelled because if Bette and Tina end up together again after this shit storyline, I think I may throw up.
I remember in Friends, a comedy, the characters make it out to be a very basic rule that if your girlfriend asks you if she looks fat, by instinct you say no, without even looking over her body, because if you even hesitate, you're looking for an argument. And here we have complete and utter morons saying that Carrie overreacted when Tina said "No one expects you to measure up to Bette," especially when Carrie had already shown signs of feeling inferior to Bette 🤣🤣 They say Carrie was looking for an excuse to call off the engagement 🤣🤣 Typical victim blaming. I guess they need to be negatively compared to their spouse's or partner's ex to understand and see how deeply something like that hurts 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ I think in season 3, if Tina doesn't even try to make amends with Carrie and ends up back with Bette "for good" for the third time, it'll just go to show what a terrible woman she is. Just as bad as Bette was this season. I know the idiots out there will say "Its only fiction", but this is not an example to set for young couples. Fictional characters who exhibited far less bad personality traits have come under more criticism.
I don't think so. When Tina said "Nobody expects you to measure up to her," it was like she was saying "You will never measure up to Bette, but it doesn't matter." The last bit made no difference, what Tina said was still either very cruel or very stupid. She essentially told Carrie to her face that Bette was more beautiful. It was still an insult, and for Carrie it was the final straw. That was her greatest insecurity, and Tina somewhat confirmed it. If my girlfriend told me I would never measure up to her previous boyfriend or no one expected me to, I'd break up there and then. Carrie saw the alarm bells ringing and she left. She saw how shallow Tina was capable of thinking when it came to women. The sad truth was that Bette was actually struggling to measure up to Carrie, she couldn't comprehend how Tina would leave her for Carrie. This was actually BETTE'S insecurity, but because "hotness" was on her side, she won.
@@daonejohnson4564 She wouldn't have to, she knew what kind of person Bette was. Trying to talk to Tina alone as soon as Carrie went for drinks? Thats why Carrie said "You think I'm a fucking idiot?" I don't think she overreacted at all, she just grew fed up with Bette poking her nose in their relationship and constantly being cruel to her, and Tina not standing up for her. Apart from all that, the measuring up thing from Tina was the final straw. I think most people would've walked away. She realised Tina was basically not good enough for her. Not because of her looks, but her personality. A weak, battered old lady still intimidated by her meddling ex-wife. Carrie just had a clearer point of view like most unbiased third parties do. She knew Bette, and she knew Tina. I don't think she overreacted, she did the right thing. Maybe Bette and Tina are better off growing old and dying in misery, either together or alone 🤷🏻♂️ They just do nothing but hurt each other and other people.
@@TDKiller415 Was behauptest du denn!? Hast du die Serie produziert!? Manche Menschen haben tatsächlich etwas zu tun oder wieso sind überall deine Kommentare dazu!? Hast du persönlichen Kontakt oder sind es nur deine Ansichten? Es gibt zudem mehrere Perspektiven. Menschen sind übrigens keine Tiere. Damit zu vergleichen grenzt an Zahl des Tieres wie andere Lügentheater- Propaganda, die geistesgestört sind.
This storyline in season 2 was definitely a punch in the face to butch lesbians, essentially gave them the message that they are grossly inferior to femme lesbians and will always be, solely based on their looks. "No one expects you to measure up to her"? My God, what kind of stupid, brainless idiot would even think of writing this garbage? Now if this season wins the GLAAD award for best drama series, it will be an insult to the entire LGBTQ+ community, possibly one of the greatest insults of the early 21st century.
I've never thought that once. As a femme lesbian who's attracted to femme women, the dating pool is the smallest in the community. Butch and stud lesbians are the majority and femme women are mostly attracted to butch and studs. I think this show incorrectly portrays the reality that many lesbians are in fact masculine presenting.
@@puckygirl14 Well like I said, false stereotypes just catering to femme lesbians and straight men who like lesbian pornography. Did you see how much fat shaming Rosie was subjected to when she was cast as Carrie? How terribly she was constantly compared to Jennifer Beals? It was just like the classic immature high school stereotype, where the popular hot girl MUST be with the well-built star athelete, even if he's a brainless, self-centered jackass, and under no circumstances should she choose the kind-hearted nerd over the athelete, otherwise she's an idiot. The environment where looks dictate everything, not personality. I grew tired of TiBette ever since what happened with Henry and Jodi, but I've got to admit, I never thought they could get a worse storyline than that until I saw this one, where Tina was actually engaged to a butch woman and Bette did everything in her power to make her feel as unwelcome as possible, no matter how much Tina and Angie would resent her for it. First ridicule a man and a deaf woman at once, now ridicule a black woman and a butch woman at once. The butch was basically the butt of the joke in this series, made to be a figure to laugh at, make fun of. Seriously, these writers have no shame or decency.
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It's funny reading all of these comments now considering that Bette and Tina are married now. WoW
Trying to keep Tina and bette away from each other is like
Trying to separate the worlds biggest magnets
But at the same time, Better & Tina hurt each other and other people in the process. They're the Lesbian equivalent of Carrie & Big.
THIS
@@omarcogle1965 Exactly, but those rules don't apply to lesbians, only to straight couples like Ross and Rachel. For the L Word fandom, its basically like this:
Straightland: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
Lesboland: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of endgame/true love.
@@TDKiller415 Then that's the problem right there, if people can call out Ross & Rachel's relationship out, the same should apply to Bette & Tina, regardless of them being Lesbians. Another example as you & I mentioned, are the Joker & Harley Quinn, who's also a toxic couple that gets called out a lot.
2 things I want to say also: Stef & Lena from the Fosters are a better functioning Lesbian couple than Bette & Tina, also do you remember back in the day when people didn't want LGBTQ couples raising kids, because they think they might make also LGBTQ, ironically they ended up being right about it.
Examples: Real Life- BD Wong (Gay actor) who's married to a man also has a Gay son. Cynthia Nixon (Bisexual actress) who's married to a woman also has a Trans daughter.
Fictional: Bette & Tina (Lesbian couple) also has a LGBTQ daughter, Angie. Max (Transman) with his partner are raising LGBTQ kids. Stef & Lena (Lesbian couple) raising a Gay son, Jude, and Callie is possibly questioning.
@@omarcogle1965 Someone actually did have the guts (can't say balls, because it was a woman) to make a list of 21 most romanticised toxic fictional couples ever, and Bette and Tina were 15. Ross/Rachel and Joker/Harley Quinn were on that list too.
I think it always going to be like this for them. I rewatch the old seasons all the time and when one in a relationship the other is jealous
facts!
@@gelphies i think they belong together like Alice said
@@monikaknolton3440 But the only problem is that they both keep hurting each other and they don't see that. To Bette and Tina, it's like they can't breathe without each other.
@@omarcogle1965 Exactly. Thats why its called a toxic relationship. This concept of a battered person or a cycle of abuse was first written about in 1979 by Dr. Lenore E. Walker, who won the Distinguished Media Award for it, and loads of psychiatrists and psychologists have followed suit. Its called "toxic" because the two feel a need to be together but being together is actually doing more damage to each other and other people than good, but they either don't see it or for whatever reason, they don't care. Its like a drug addiction. So here as a good example we have Bette and Tina, one a domineering and abusive partner and the other a weak and helpless partner who can't stand up for herself properly and who sometimes even pines for her abusive partner back (she most likely thinks "It won't happen again" or "It was the final time" like almost all battered spouses do) and worst of all, in this case, their mutual friends, Alice and Shane, keep interfering and like idiots keep on insisting that they belong together. They aren't true friends who tell them the truth by saying enough is enough and its time to go their separate ways because all they do is cause trouble.
@@monikaknolton3440 Alice isn't exactly the brightest star in the sky. She's done a lot of stupid, immature and sometimes dangerous things herself. Just because she says Bette and Tina belong together, it doesn't mean they do. What she and Shane did in the shop by telling Bette instead of Tina that Carrie was having second thoughts was not what a real friend does.
As much as I hated this storyline, I've got to admit, Carrie really stood out here. The way she finally stood up to Bette, to the point that Bette tried to genuinely apologise and Tina began begging Bette to go.
Carrie had it a lot easier than Henry and Jodi. Tina and Bette just used those two. Carrie saw what Bette was doing and how defenceless Tina was, so she walked out herself. Got to give the woman credit for that. She didn't run away. She basically told both Bette and Tina to go fuck themselves because she'd had enough of their games.
And don't forget, Jodi put Bette on blast at the Art Gallery for what she did.
@@omarcogle1965 Well Bette cheated on her and made a fool of her, and made her feel like an outcast in the group, especially with Shane and Alice parroting that Bette and Tina belong together. I think Bette really deserved it, if not worse. She broke an innocent woman's heart by using her for sex and then dumping her for her ex, and then she had the cheek to try and have her fired from the university. I was so glad when Phyllis convinced Bette to resign instead, because of both Nadia and Jodi. That was one time Bette didn't get her way, she couldn't win against Jodi because Jodi was too good for her. I'm not saying its right, but some people ruin or even kill their partners for adultery. Bette still got off VERY easy, even with that humiliation. Bette humiliated Jodi first, don't forget that.
@@TDKiller415 And don't forget, Bette started neglecting her when she saw Tina dating someone else.
@@omarcogle1965 I know. Its all an endless cycle of bullshit. I think one needs to be in the US and the other in Europe for it to end permanently. Whenever they're around each other, an atmosphere of misery appears, whether its them or whoever one of them is dating or living with. Classic toxic people. So much misery and heartbreak, but they are drawn to each other. Its almost like an unhealthy drug, and to glorify such a relationship on television as "endgame" is just so wrong and unethical. I've read a lot of recent comments from users saying how fed up they are now, far more than before.
@@TDKiller415 To me, they're the Lesbian equivalent of Carrie and Big from Sex and the City, same song and dance
Wow! A DOUBLE break-up?!!!
It makes me want to see the show now! 😲🤔
Season 3's been total crap so far, Bette and Tina got back together in episode 2 and left the series. Not worth it.
Oh my gooooooood
LOVE ROSE!!!! TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!
The idea of this scene is amazing，i still like Bette.
O como le hago para verlo en traducción
Carrie is so insecure that annoys me. Tina can't avoid Bette, they have a child together and Bette does need to be friends with Carrie, they just need to be polite to each other to what I believe Bette was.
To be honest, Bette wasn't polite to Carrie, anytime she opened her mouth, Bette took cheap shots at her, and Tina didn't stand up for her until last minute. Bette & Tina did raise Angie, and will always raise remember your fight.
Bette was the insecure one, thats why she was being so cruel, petty and spiteful to Carrie. She couldn't stomach the idea that Tina chose someone else over her, much like Gaston regarding Belle and Beast in Beauty and the Beast. Those are the most typical traits of narcissistic personality disorder, and thats what got Nicole Brown killed by OJ Simpson when she divorced him and began seeing other men to move on with her life while she was still raising their children.
Anyone who blames Carrie for the whole thing is basically another scumbag victim blamer. I know for a fact that had it been a man in Bette's place and Carrie was a femme lesbian, no one would be on the man's side, they would all call him a lesbophobic misogynist who should've been served with a restraining order.
@@TDKiller415 Have you been watching season 3 by any chance of Generation Q? Tibette's relationship is saved and everyone else's relationship has gone straight to hell. Tina didn't confront Shane about her knowing that Carrie getting cold feet, and Bette didn't say anything about it.
@@omarcogle1965 Hey Omar 👍🏻 I only saw the first two episodes, Marja just skipped the whole thing with a "one year later" so she wouldn't have to write the consequences of Bette and Shane's actions, and gave us another shitty TiBette reunion by suckering us with them role playing their first meeting and then plagiarising Imagine Me & You for their next "final reunion". For me the only saving grace was the superb acting and it reminded me a bit of Notting Hill, one of my favourite movies. Beals has that talent that no matter how cringe or stupid a script is, she can salvage it with her acting.
I've read here and there that ratings and popularity have gone down since because Marja wrote Bette and Tina out of the series, and then broke up Dani/Gigi and Shane/Tess for the sake of drama, so I didn't bother watching episode 3. I did hear that Daniel Sea came back as Max for episode 4, met Micah and he has 4 kids with a trans partner, because it was all over the internet, so that did please me, especially after how anti-trans the OG was, but other than that, I'm not watching anymore. Same old bullshit over and over again. What about you? Still watching?
@@TDKiller415 I watched some of the episodes of Season 3, except for the Musical episode, which I'll probably watch. I agree with you on the fact that Bette & Tina didn't face the consequences of their actions, and neither did Shane, Alice & Tess, who was guilty by association. Season 3 was its weakest Season.
Sure, she is Not ready).. but Rosie is great, as always
Well that was turbulent 1m 50 seconds lol
This season should've had the title:
"The L Word Generation Q: How to Sabotage your Ex-Wife's new Engagement, Screw Every Woman in LA, and Still Win Your Ex-Wife Back"
🤣🤣
Cuando se estrene la 3 era temporada cuando tiempo pasará para verlo en español
Don't bother, kid. Season 3 is a reboot that starts one year after season 2, all is "forgiven and forgotten" once again, Bette and Tina hook up and run away to Canada together in episode 2 and have not been in any episodes since then.
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Carrie was looking for an excuse to dump Tina because she couldn't go through marrying her
Ah, the old victim blaming ploy again 😁 Did you not hear Tina say "No one expects you to measure up to her"? When you tell your partner/fiancé, directly to their face, that they will never measure up to their ex, thats basically ASKING for the relationship to fail.
Carrie was looking for an excuse? Tina was the one who fucked it up with that comment. Sure, Bette had done her fair share of making Carrie feel unwelcome in the family, even though both Tina and Angie loved her a lot, but Tina was the one who drove the final nail in the coffin. Can you blame Carrie for walking away after that? Would YOU stay with your fiancé who compared you to their ex spouse like that? Think hard, gov.
@@TDKiller415Tina m told her that because she didn't want her to be like Bette but to just be herself. Bette might not have been fond of Carrie but she wasn't going to destroy her and Tina's happiness
@@nightslayer6951 It doesn't matter what you mean, you have to choose your words wisely to avoid offending someone. Tina's choice of words was VERY poor, she basically said that Carrie would never measure up to Bette. She could've very easily said something like "I don't expect you to be like Bette, because I chose YOU over her." The "measuring up" thing was VERY offensive and hurtful, because it was the same as saying "No one expects you to be as good as her," especially when Carrie was already being bullied by Bette at every turn and no one was standing up for her.
By not standing up for Carrie and then saying that disgusting line to her face, Tina literally helped ruin her own engagement. Carrie was not to blame at all, she stood up to Bette when she was rude to her and paid for it when Tina didn't back her up. Bette and Tina were the ones to blame, so stop with your victim blaming, because its vile and filthy, and I know for a fact that had it been a man who had behaved that way and caused Bette to leave Tina, you would be fully on Bette's side and say the man was to blame.
@@nightslayer6951 And if Bette didn't want to destroy Tina and Carrie's happiness, she would've behaved herself properly with Carrie, but because she's a weak, insecure, petty, self-centered, jealous, narcissistic sociopath, she couldn't help herself, so she knocked/dismissed Carrie at every turn, even when Carrie tried to be nice and respectful, to the point that she was disturbed by Angie wearing Carrie's cufflinks even though Angie wanted to. She knew it would possibly cause a rift between Tina and Carrie, but she didn't care at all.
Bette was easily the main villain of this season. And the sad thing is, apparently she won. She bagged the ultimate prize when her trophy blonde came back to her like the battered woman she is.
@@nightslayer6951 And of course, as I expected, you dodged that specific question. If your spouse or fiancé said that you would never measure up to their ex spouse, wouldn't that be like a knife in your heart? Think VERY hard before you answer. No BS.
Ouch, I don’t think that’s what Carrie expected her to say to the not measuring up bit but I do think she deep down probably knew that’s how Tina felt. We heard it Carrie and damn. 5 fingers to the face.
Actually no one expects that to come from their fiance. I mean when you hear that and come to that sudden realisation of what a shallow, stupid, battered idiot your fiance really is, to tell you that you will never measure up to their ex spouse, especially when they know you're already trying to do so even when you don't have to, its quite the heartbreaker, let alone a deal breaker.
I can understand Carrie completely severing her ties with Tina after that, not texting her back or answering her calls for a whole year in season 3, but for Tina to forgive Bette and take her back with her to Canada after all that shit she put them through in season 2? Well......
I kind of rest my case about Tina. She was the ultimate objectified dumb blonde woman of the 2020s. People wouldn't dare write this shit in today's series or films if men were involved in the story. Penny started as a street smart dumb blonde in the Big Bang Theory but she slowly evolved into an intelligent saleswoman but also something of a bully towards Leonard at the same time, but women still criticise her dumb blonde personality at the start, they ignore her character growth. Tina, however, stays popular and everyone likes her as Bette's property despite her lack of growth and independence.
@@TDKiller415 You know what's also sad about Tina too, and I know me and you have had this conversation, is also that not only did Tina take Bette back, but also stayed friends with Shane, who not only knew that Carrie had cold feet about marrying Tina, but didn't have the balls to tell her about, and instead told Bette.
@@omarcogle1965 Exactly, but if you noticed, Marja retconned Tina's feelings for Carrie as being a lie because she was still in love with Bette. Bullshit storytelling, but hey, she had to put something to appease the ignorant masses. So that way, it could be seen by the idiots that Shane actually saved Tina from doing something she might have regretted for the rest of her life. We all know the reality that Shane stabbed Tina, Carrie and Pippa in the back all at once, because Shane didn't know Tina didn't really love Carrie, and Tina was stupid enough to still see Shane as a friend and Bette as her true love, but Marja just needed to reboot Tina's feelings by adding the line "I can't be with Carrie because I'm in love with you" in order to vindicate Bette and Shane's terrible actions, so that it would put Tina more at fault, that she was just using Carrie the whole time like Henry and would've possibly jilted her for Bette or cheated on her with Bette or some of the series' usual BS. It just made Tina look just as bad as Bette and Shane, if not worse, in my opinion. The icing on the cake was Tina taking Bette back again right after Bette had shown her selfishness coming back by asking her not to go back to Canada. Tina had just seen the alarm bells and she had left angrily, but she immediately took Bette back when Bette suggested that she run away to Canada with Tina, even if it meant leaving Angie to fend for herself with no parents to support her emotionally, leave her in the hands of a bunch of cheating idiots, and all that must've been like "Oh she's offering to drop everything to come and be with me? She really has changed. Maybe this time it will work." But that only encourages determination to not lose control, and encourages victims to keep showing their abusers mercy. Someone with Bette's mindset would initially say "I want to spend the rest of my life loving you more and more each day," but she would eventually grow to hate Tina for "making" her drop her career and move to Canada because she refused to back down, and it would lead to another round of misery for Tina, possibly this time permanent, because those other times it was Tina who kept leaving, but if the house in Canada was Tina's, she would be in the position to tell Bette to leave, which she obviously wouldn't dare, or maybe Bette would simply refuse to leave.
And Ross and Rachel's endgame received far more criticism than this 🤣🤣
@@TDKiller415 And don't forget to add the fact of Tina getting pissed at Bette for Carrie breaking up with her, then a few minutes later shows up and Bette's house, just when she was about to see Pippa.
@@omarcogle1965 Like I said, rebooting and retconning left right and centre and leaving endless plotholes around 🤷🏻♂️ Ruined the show all for a bunch of shallow idiots. One user here even said Carrie endured all that suffering because she committed the sin of "not being Bette".
She should of just left shit alone.
Bette is ready. All just a misunderstanding.
Who should of left what alone? Ready for what?
@@Jamaicansuen_24 To be honest, Tina shouldn't have brought that question up to Bette, and Bette wouldn't have reciprocated.
@@omarcogle1965 Tina wanted an answer as to why Bette was still harassing her and being cruel to Carrie while she was with Pippa. Wanted some sort of closure. I think if Bette had said that she was, maybe Tina would have said she would always love her but she was not in love with her anymore because she was with Carrie.
But if Tina goes back to Bette, if somehow Bette's horrible actions have convinced her that she is still her one true love, then she's one stupid battered idiot.
@@TDKiller415 The thing is, Bette wasn't harassing Tina, she was being an a**hole to Carrie, because she's bitter. Tina should've been more honest with Carrie, when you look at those two, you can tell Tina's heart isn't it, and she's forcing herself to be with her. Bette's trying to move on as well with Pippa, but you can't blame her for feeling a certain type of way.
Bette and Tina don't think about the damage they do when they get other people involved in their back and forth with each other.
@@omarcogle1965 I don't think Tina was forcing herself, she was insisting she wanted to marry Carrie. She accepted Carrie's proposal, she begged Carrie to stay with her. You don't do that if your heart isn't in it.
期待期待，迫不及待！快点开播吧……🎉🎉🎉我想吃Tina & Bette的狗粮😂
where's that energy you had when you cussed that nurse out for not helping your baby keep that same energy and CUSS THESE HEFFAS OUT💯 AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RELATIONSHIP LIKE A REAL WOMAN
Battered people often show strength and courage against other people, but they always cower before their abusers. When the abuser bullies or intimidates them or dominates their lives for long enough, it becomes natural, and seeing someone else stand up to them looks stupid to them, like when Tina told Carrie not to speak badly about Bette. Tina wasn't used to anyone standing up to Bette because of how battered she is by her.
So of course, Tina would stand up to the nurse or anyone else, but out of fear or intimidation, she would prioritise Bette over her fiancé, because she's an idiot and a fool.
@@TDKiller415 NO HONEY BETTE WAS FIGHTING FOR HER BABY ANGIE NOT MS DOUBTFIRE. IM TALKING ABOUT BETTE NEEDS TO CUSS T AND CARRIE OUT LIKE CARRIE AND T JUST DID AND HOW T DID HER IN EP9 AND 10
@@sarahb6163 Ok I'm lost. Are you saying Bette should move on? Because I agree with that fully.
@@TDKiller415 HELL YEA. MOVE ON TO HER REAL QUEEN PIPPA
Honestly, throw the rest of the entire series out the window, the last two seasons did it all in one. Bette used every classic tactic in the narcissism book. Gaslighting, guilt tripping, negging and then finally the love bombing 😂😂 But yeah, its "endgame" LOL
Good luck lesboland if THIS is what you truly see as "true love", apart from all the other shit you saw in previous seasons, and especially if you really believe you're the "tolerant left" when you shit on your own such as Ruby Rose and Rosie O'Donnell over the roles they're cast in.
#StandWithThePatriarchy ✊🏻
KARMA
Another example of double standards when it comes to Bette and Tina:
When one cheats on the other with another woman, its bad. When they cheat on someone with each other, its good.
So basically, if Bette and Tina are endgame, those same standards make their other relationships endgame like Bette and Candace, Bette and Jodi or Tina and Henry. Those involved cheating as well, just like when Bette cheated on Jodi with Tina.
But of course, the same old picking and choosing when cheating is right or wrong. What an absolutely rotten fandom.
If they do a Season 4 of Generation Q, they need to do better in storyline.
@@omarcogle1965 I think they should just leave it at this stage. Gen Q season 1 was a nice way to close the door on TiBette. Their story in seasons 2 and 3 was basically Marja opening the doors again just to vomit some fatphobic and racist sewage out. Marja lost all creative credibility in my book after season 2. I read that season 3 was overall considered a disaster save for TiBette's second marriage. Without those two, season 4 will fail.
@@TDKiller415 I'm still not over the fact that other people's relationships got screwed just to save Tibette's.
@@omarcogle1965 There's an interview where Marja actually contradicts herself. When she began Gen Q she made it clear that she wanted to go in new directions but in the interview she says it was always her intention to reunite Bette and Tina. A clear lie. She said that after season 2 she was harassed with direct messages on social media that said "Give us TiBette or else". Could've been construed as death threats. She clearly caved to the shallow rotten fandom made of bullies. Just another portion of the rainbow mafia. Its pretty obvious that the "One Year Later" was just to avoid telling a story about how Tina would give Bette a fourth chance, especially since Bette had ruined Tina's engagement. That "One Year Later" actually made Tina look even worse, such a battered old dummy that she thought this spiteful monster was her true love (like Harley and Joker) and that Shane and Alice were actually her friends looking out for her when they were only looking out for Bette.
Don't like Carrie period
Because she isn't femme like Bette and Tina? Too manly? Too intimidated by that bitch Bette?
That was the attitude many black women had towards Nicole Brown, because she was the white woman who the black man OJ Simpson chose to marry over them, and because she supposedly "allowed" OJ to abuse and kill her.
Is it just me or did it not seem fairly obvious that Bette was going to tell Tina she’s moving on?
Also why does no one ever talk about Carrie physically threatening Bette? People would be up in arms if it was the other way around….
When it comes to Bette and Tina, subconsciously they can't let each other go.
Also you have to keep in mind, no one including Tina said anything when Bette was knitpicking and taking cheap shots at Carrie everytime she either said something or overstep her boundaries.
@@omarcogle1965 to be honest with the Carrie stuff I felt it was the other way around. Carrie was the one overstepping boundaries. Outside of the therapy scene Bette largely just tried to bite her tongue while Carrie was basically harassing her by the end of the season
Bette spent most of S2 showing she was moving on. Carrie and Tina were the ones who kept bringing her into their fragile relationship because they couldn’t bring themselves to admit that the problem in their relationship was each other. Bette was basically their scapegoat.
In this scene I kept waiting for Bette to just be like ‘Carrie I haven’t done ANYTHING!’. Like this scene was kind of wild in the way Carrie and Tina act like teens and not the grown women they’re supposed to be
@@jellybean9053 The only thing though is that Bette didn't exactly move on until she met Pippa. She complained to Shane and Alice the Tina found someone else and she was going to die alone. Shane was completely in the wrong for telling Bette that Carrie had 2nd thoughts, and she could've told that to Tina. Also Tina didn't even defend Carrie from Bette until it was too late.
@@omarcogle1965 she wasn’t complaining about Tina finding someone else though. She was complaining because it reminds her that she’s alone and she doesn’t want to be. Bette absolutely wanted to move on but she just hadn’t met the person she wanted to move on with - which is fine
I agree Shane was wrong but that wasn’t Bette’s fault. Bette didn’t use that information which she could have done. The only thing she did was to ask Tina why she’d asked that question which she had every right to. Tina had clearly fucked with her head and she wanted to clear it. Notice she didn’t demand to know Tina’s feelings or cross any boundaries. All she asked was ‘why did you ask me that?’. I thought Bette was nothing but fair in that scene while Carrie and Tina acted like children
Infairness to Tina she DID defend Carrie when Bette got angry about the adoption comment. When else was she supposed to defend Carrie? Bette and Carrie only had that one argument which Tina did jump in to defend Carrie on. Even after the poker night with Bette/Carrie (where Carrie was entirely in the wrong for disrespecting very fair boundaries and insulting Bette throughout the conversation) Tina kept asking Bette why Carrie had been upset. Don’t get me wrong I think Tina was a terrible partner to Carrie (as Carrie was to Tina) but I don’t think there was an occasion she needed to defend Carrie more. Carrie was horrifically infantilised throughout S2 and really didn’t need to be enabled more than she already was
@@jellybean9053 True, but when it comes to Bette and Tina being with other people, on the surface they can handle it, subconsciously they can't handle seeing each other with other. They try so hard to move on from each other, but it's like they'll die without each other. When Tina decided to ask Bette that question if she was still in love with her, she opened up a can of worms in her relationship with Carrie, and then wanted to play victim when Bette asked her why did you ask. Bette and Tina need people who need to challenge them when it comes to relationships.
I think I'm the only one that feels like this season was not as well acted as the ones before. I just feel like many of the actors were not as passionate and did not portray their character the same way they have in the past. And I honestly feel like after all this time Peppa and bet would be a great couple but Tibette is over and done with in my opinion they get back together, Bitte cheats... they break up. it's just old news. This scene in my opinion was probably the worst yet I think Rose did a great job with what she was given but who just stands there when your fiance' walks away... Bottom line in my opinion the acting was just subpar
It was subpar because the scene was totally unbelievable. Rosie’s lines when she comes back with the drinks were stupid. She’s at least seen Bette kissing Gigi as Tina may have as well. She should be smart enough to figure out that someone as attractive as Bette hadn’t been living in a convent after her divorce.
This was way better than season one. I actually wanted the show to be cancelled after watching the first season, it didn't do the original show any justice and not even because of the lack of Bette and Tina but because they were trying to match Gen Q's characters with the old characters and it just doesn't work. I wasn't a fan of Shane's character before even though I didn't dislike her but Finley she's the worst . Tibette is one of the main reasons why the original series was a hit and Carrie and Tina was just never going to work just like Pippa and Bette doesn't work.The last scene wasn't that bad in my opinion and again in my opinion Carrie's got an inferiority complex that is triggered by Tina's affection for Bette and not the other way around. I mean Carrie feels inferior but she's not stupid, she knows exactly that Tina was saying that no one could ever compare to Bette so don't even bother,Tina had to safe herself there for a moment and also she was projecting when she was blaming Bette. Carrie wasn't wrong to feel that way but I mean going from someone like Bette who exudes confidence to someone like her who's inferiority complex is off the charts is massive and that's not even Tina's type, she probably convinced herself.
I thought overall this season was OK. Far inferior to season 1, mostly because of the fanservice TiBette story which turned out to be absolute crap and ruined the character growth that Bette showed in season 1, but some other stories like Angie wanting to meet Marcus or Dani dealing with her father's case were really interesting for me.
@@jean-hn1dt Don't be fooled by the outside. Sure, maybe Carrie had an inferiority complex, but Bette's insecurity was far worse. I mean for fuck's sake, trying to be spiteful to Carrie at every turn? Feeling intimidated or uneasy because Angie wanted to wear Carrie's cufflinks instead of her's? That speaks volumes about insecurity and inferiority complex.
The only reason Bette is seen as the hero is because of her physical beauty, because the shallow shitheads can't see past it. I've read here and there that its been compared to Beauty and the Beast, where Gaston is considered the most handsome man and eligible bachelor in the village, but he feels threatened by the Beast who is far less attractive than him but who Belle chose over him, and instead of moving on and settling with any woman who'd be thrilled to marry him, he decides that if he can't have Belle, the Beast won't either. Its subconsciously Bette's state of mind here as well, that if she can't have Tina, then she will do all she can to make Tina's new fiancé feel unwelcome, with total disregard for Tina and Angie's feelings for Carrie, not caring in the world if Carrie eventually leaves and Tina and Angie possibly end up hating her for it.
Its just unbelievable. I think Marja screwed Bette and Tina up more spectacularly than Ilene Chaiken could ever dream of doing. Its like what David Crane said about Rachel in the Friends reunion special, describing her as a selfish, spoiled brat, and that even though she's popular, he said this line: "In the wrong hands, you don't like Rachel." Thats how I see Bette, Tina and Shane now. They do really come off as stupid, selfish people. They may be beautiful on the outside, but inside, they're extremely ugly, and Carrie was the exact opposite. Not so attractive on the outside, but innocent and loveable on the inside.
Here's the irony, which most people seem to miss:
Throughout the whole season, it was BETTE who was so weak and insecure that SHE was the one trying to measure up to Carrie, to the point that she was uncomfortable about something as trivial as Angie wearing Carrie's cufflinks instead of hers. She just couldn't come to terms with the fact that Tina would leave her for someone else. Her attitude was like "How dare you leave me for this unattractive butch!! What does she have that I don't??" Thats a very common trait in narcissists and sociopaths, they come off as confident and arrogant, but inside, they are the weakest people on the planet. Sure, Carrie felt insecure around Bette because she was the more attractive one, but Bette's behaviour demonstrated the whole time that she was the one trying to measure up to Carrie, not vice versa, because Tina had chosen Carrie over her, and she couldn't take it. THAT is an inferiority complex. If she didn't have that, she'd have moved on long ago.
There was something else in your post you forgot to mentioned when it comes to Bette's problem with Carrie. When Angie was using Carrie's cufflinks, Bette got triggered and had a problem with it. She wanted Angie to use hers instead of Carrie, but Angie wanted to Carrie's instead. She had a tiddy attack about it. I know that Bette's cufflinks are part of her identity and who she is, she shouldn't be that threatened by Angie using Carrie's instead of hers.
@@omarcogle1965 Yet another point you brought up to prove how weak and petty Bette truly is inside.
@@TDKiller415 And that's f**king sad. Bette's an attractive woman on the outside, but she's very pathetic and petty on the inside. If she had a good thing going, she f**ks it up and self sabotages it, and when she tries to take steps forward, she takes many steps back. Tina's just as petty, but she's weak petty.
@@omarcogle1965 You see? You just said it. She f**ks it up and sabotages it. Another classic narcissistic and sociopathic trait: self-sabotage or self-destruct mode. She's an attractive, career driven, succesful woman who can have what she wants, but because of her insecurities and weaknesses and pettiness, she can't have a stable relationship, but she's so lucky that she has one battered idiot out there always pining after her like a loyal dog, Tina. In the end, all her other lovers like Jodi, Felicity, Gigi and Pippa turned their backs on her and moved on when she showed who she really was. Tina's the one who just will not open her eyes no matter how many times Bette shits on her. Bette cheated on Tina for no reason and sexually assaulted her, Tina took her back. Bette kidnapped their child, Tina took her back. This time around, Bette played a crucial role in ruining Tina's engagement, yet Tina still went back to her. How anyone can still ship them as "endgame" is beyond me. I can only put it down to their sex scenes in the OG series, because had it been a man in Bette's place, he'd have become one of the most hated characters on television after cheating on Tina the first time and sexually assaulting her. When I saw a video where fans cheered like mad when Tina turned up at the doorstep, I was so disgusted. I think Ilene Chaiken is the first writer I've ever seen glorifying this kind of toxic stuff on television without being cancelled, and I was really disappointed that Marja forced another shit TiBette story into Generation Q after writing such a fantastic story for Bette in season 1. She took three steps forward with Bette in season 1, and then ten steps back in season 2.
Yet Bette was open to establishing a relationship with Pippa who she had more in common with on many levels. Bette was moved to tell Pippa she was the most beautiful woman she’d ever seen. Now she was either using a line just to get Pippa at that moment or she was really ready to move on with her life.
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That was the final nail in the coffin. Carrie finally realised the toxic situation she was in, engaged to a battered woman still intimidated by her abusive ex-wife. Good of her to walk away. She really dodged a bullet. Tina was really lucky Carrie didn't punch her in the face for that or even just tell her to fuck off and never come near her ever again.
you are a bit aggressive, don't take it personally baby
@@immatuccillocastaldo2786 Hmm, maybe you need to be treated like shit by your spouse's ex, your spouse to not stand up for you and then tell you that you will never measure up to their ex in order to understand why glorifying a relationship like this as "endgame" is a poison and cancer to society.
I'm not the one taking it personally, sweetheart. Its the shallow shitheads who glorify Bette and Tina as the ultimate hot celebrity endgame couple as if they're real life and then bully and shame Rosie O'Donnell on social media for her appearance. THEY are the ones who take this personally, so don't play the "its only fiction" card with me. Save it for the TiBette geeks.
Abusive? Stop it already.
@@twill5077 So is that your way of saying that had it been a man in Bette's position, you'd still ship them as endgame? You wouldn't say that this was an abusive, self-centered, manipulative man?
Don't make me laugh, jackass 🤡🤡 You misandrists are all the same
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I read a report from the Los Angeles Times a couple of days ago criticising Bette and Tina for being portrayed again as so toxic in Generation Q, because it noted that this time, it exploited and poked fun at an overweight butch who was obviously less attractive than Bette, so for physical reasons she would stand no chance against Bette of having Tina even if she was 100x a better and bigger person than Bette. That was when it dawned on me that whenever Bette and Tina played their stupid games, someone who actually had a disadvantage was pulled into the middle. First it was Henry, who was a man and who would logically be hated by the lesbian characters. Second was Jodi, a deaf woman who was basically treated as subhuman. Third Carrie, an overweight butch who was considered "too manly" to be a lesbian. Fourth Pippa, who was considered "too black".
This doesn't portray it fairly, and with fans out there who were actually saying that they should have got someone like Sarah Paulson to play Carrie just goes to show what a shallow audience this season was really created for. The LA Times said that it seemed as if Carrie was created for the purpose of being disliked and hated for her appearance.
Honestly, I know this is only fiction, but this really needs to stop. It doesn't play fair with women's appearances. It pollutes young people's minds and it can make them pursue the most ditzy, shallow or abusive women out there based purely on their beauty. The comments all over just parroting about how hot Bette is even when she's angry and cruel speaks volumes. The best solution for this is to cancel the L Word once and for all. Ilene Chaiken and Marja Lewis Ryan both showed that they aren't capable of promoting positive lesbian images, all they depict is them going from one lover to another and not being able to settle down properly, they just bicker like teenagers well into their 40s or 50s. They just have more sexual luck than most people on dating apps put together. Sure, the OG did have a very crappy ending, but having Bette and Tina stay together or divorce were both good ideas (even though their reunion behind Jodi's back was really shit writing). Having them divorce but then reunite all over again for the sake of faservice was beyond stupid and unreal.
You stated some excellent points. But to be fair, I think the majority of the lesbian community view Carrie as a true lesbian. She is gorgeous because she looks like a real butch/stud and she isn't skinny. The original L Word didn't portray "real" lesbians.
@@jferbie2000 Yes but they don't like how she was maligned and characterised, like insecure and intimidated by Bette and how Tina said "No one expects you to measure up to her". The Los Angeles Times said the same about Finley, that she was portrayed badly in season 2 as well. I think the way Carrie was portrayed in the series, and how many fans left terrible comments about her like saying she's innocently evil etc, it left the majority of fans fed up, because they realised that Marja had turned Carrie into a stepping stone for Tina to appease the TiBette fandom, just to give them another recycled TiBette storyline and have them reunite once again. I think fans got so fed up of both Bette and Tina's attitudes that the series is now bordering on cancellation. An ending like that would logically immediately lead to a renewal for a third season if enough fans wanted them together.
i hope they get some black writers this go round cause real black women dont act like this WE DONT PLAY THAT this is not how you talk to a black woman
Oh carrie*sigh*Carrie Carrie Carrie you're first problem was thinking you could measure up to Bae...I mean Bette
I really hope Pippa and Bette are endgame…they have a very mature relationship and Pippa does not get intimated by Bette’s games. I just am not sure how Bette really feels about Pippa. I love Bette and Tina but they’ve grown in different directions. They will always be connected and the love will always be there but they can’t go back. They haven’t been in enough scenes together this season or last to show us who they are together now…if that makes sense. Just my 2 cents…
Marja Lewis Ryan just gave into fanservice and forced another stupid, boring TiBette story into the new series. I really hope Generation Q is cancelled because if Bette and Tina end up together again after this shit storyline, I think I may throw up.
I remember in Friends, a comedy, the characters make it out to be a very basic rule that if your girlfriend asks you if she looks fat, by instinct you say no, without even looking over her body, because if you even hesitate, you're looking for an argument.
And here we have complete and utter morons saying that Carrie overreacted when Tina said "No one expects you to measure up to Bette," especially when Carrie had already shown signs of feeling inferior to Bette 🤣🤣 They say Carrie was looking for an excuse to call off the engagement 🤣🤣 Typical victim blaming. I guess they need to be negatively compared to their spouse's or partner's ex to understand and see how deeply something like that hurts 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I think in season 3, if Tina doesn't even try to make amends with Carrie and ends up back with Bette "for good" for the third time, it'll just go to show what a terrible woman she is. Just as bad as Bette was this season. I know the idiots out there will say "Its only fiction", but this is not an example to set for young couples. Fictional characters who exhibited far less bad personality traits have come under more criticism.
Carrie overreacted
I don't think so. When Tina said "Nobody expects you to measure up to her," it was like she was saying "You will never measure up to Bette, but it doesn't matter." The last bit made no difference, what Tina said was still either very cruel or very stupid. She essentially told Carrie to her face that Bette was more beautiful. It was still an insult, and for Carrie it was the final straw. That was her greatest insecurity, and Tina somewhat confirmed it. If my girlfriend told me I would never measure up to her previous boyfriend or no one expected me to, I'd break up there and then. Carrie saw the alarm bells ringing and she left. She saw how shallow Tina was capable of thinking when it came to women. The sad truth was that Bette was actually struggling to measure up to Carrie, she couldn't comprehend how Tina would leave her for Carrie. This was actually BETTE'S insecurity, but because "hotness" was on her side, she won.
@@TDKiller415 I think she overreacted with Bette. She didn’t hear what Bette was saying to Tina.
@@daonejohnson4564 She wouldn't have to, she knew what kind of person Bette was. Trying to talk to Tina alone as soon as Carrie went for drinks? Thats why Carrie said "You think I'm a fucking idiot?" I don't think she overreacted at all, she just grew fed up with Bette poking her nose in their relationship and constantly being cruel to her, and Tina not standing up for her. Apart from all that, the measuring up thing from Tina was the final straw. I think most people would've walked away. She realised Tina was basically not good enough for her. Not because of her looks, but her personality. A weak, battered old lady still intimidated by her meddling ex-wife. Carrie just had a clearer point of view like most unbiased third parties do. She knew Bette, and she knew Tina. I don't think she overreacted, she did the right thing. Maybe Bette and Tina are better off growing old and dying in misery, either together or alone 🤷🏻♂️ They just do nothing but hurt each other and other people.
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@@lichtkunstbewegungsmusik2178 Yeah whatever, mein fuhrer 🙄 Go start another world war
This storyline in season 2 was definitely a punch in the face to butch lesbians, essentially gave them the message that they are grossly inferior to femme lesbians and will always be, solely based on their looks. "No one expects you to measure up to her"? My God, what kind of stupid, brainless idiot would even think of writing this garbage?
Now if this season wins the GLAAD award for best drama series, it will be an insult to the entire LGBTQ+ community, possibly one of the greatest insults of the early 21st century.
I've never thought that once. As a femme lesbian who's attracted to femme women, the dating pool is the smallest in the community. Butch and stud lesbians are the majority and femme women are mostly attracted to butch and studs. I think this show incorrectly portrays the reality that many lesbians are in fact masculine presenting.
@@puckygirl14 Well like I said, false stereotypes just catering to femme lesbians and straight men who like lesbian pornography. Did you see how much fat shaming Rosie was subjected to when she was cast as Carrie? How terribly she was constantly compared to Jennifer Beals? It was just like the classic immature high school stereotype, where the popular hot girl MUST be with the well-built star athelete, even if he's a brainless, self-centered jackass, and under no circumstances should she choose the kind-hearted nerd over the athelete, otherwise she's an idiot. The environment where looks dictate everything, not personality.
I grew tired of TiBette ever since what happened with Henry and Jodi, but I've got to admit, I never thought they could get a worse storyline than that until I saw this one, where Tina was actually engaged to a butch woman and Bette did everything in her power to make her feel as unwelcome as possible, no matter how much Tina and Angie would resent her for it. First ridicule a man and a deaf woman at once, now ridicule a black woman and a butch woman at once. The butch was basically the butt of the joke in this series, made to be a figure to laugh at, make fun of. Seriously, these writers have no shame or decency.