Thank you so much for even explaining this for us "newbies". I only ever made clothes I could make from my head, but I'm looking to try patterns, but also make my own patterns, and my body shape changed so much after a long, tragic period with health problems included. Really, the only reason "clothes makes the person" is that they sit properly and hide the bulge/enhance the beauty. So, this was by far the best introduction I could have hoped to find... and I wasn't even looking to start my journey (again) with pants at all!
So helpful! And the part that really hit home for me was at 9 min 10 sec where you showed the pattern superimposed on the body. I have trouble sometimes visualizing how the pattern share relates to the location on the body ~ But you clarified it completely! Thanks so much!
Thank you for explaining this. I want to better understand my body within a pattern. I am excited to explore my fit. Your demonstration with jelly bean helped.
I like 👍🏼 your videos very much! Excellent presentation-I haven’t seen these variations addressed so well as in this vid. I find the simple diagrams helpful. Thanks,❤!
This does help to explain things and how our tummies play a big role in pants fitting. I have been successful in getting top part of my pants to fit good. My waist, hips, and crotch. I was working on tapering in my legs. I also put a seam going up the back of my legs. I was attempting to get all 3 seams to work together. Unfortunately I found out I have cancer. Between the emotions of dealing with cancer,numerous appointments, and other commitments I just became overwhelmed. I didn’t touch my sewing machine for over 2 weeks. I have started sewing again but I’m just doing simple things like skirts and bowls cozies. I should find out this week or start of next week how serious the cancer is. I will be having surgery and possible chemotherapy. Hopefully once I heal from the surgery I will feel like working on pants again. I’m feeling pretty good and I have no pain. My chest came up clear for cancer. Also I’m really enjoying just sewing anything right now in sewing and it helps me so much mentally and emotionally and I’m getting some nice skirts for church.
Life changes are never easy. I'm glad you're finding a little comfort with your sewing- pants fitting can WAIT! You're far more important we wish you the best in your process! You're not alone!
Thank you so much for this video. I really appreciated the way you broke it down into planes. I've been studying fitting in general for some time and this way of visualizing it was fresh and helpful. You are one of my most trusted resources due to your genuine knowledge and experience and the way you're able to explain what you know. I'm not sure what your slump is about - every creative person has them - but please take your own advice. Be nice to yourself! You deserve to feel good about what you're putting out there, because it's truly valuable. Not to put any other creators down, but you know so much more than most of them. I wouldn't be where I am in my sewing without watching you. I just donated on your website and encourage others to do the same. Happy Thanksgiving, Saremy!
Are you Kate??? Thank you so much for that- what a welcome and generous surprise- that was very nice of you!! And your words truly mean a lot to me. I think I struggle with throwing too much information at people- it's too much and I know it. I'm very excited about this and I'm so thankful I've always loved it and been excited for all this time. It's great to share it! But I know people can also have a limit! I'm always working on becoming a better teacher. Thank you for the appreciation!
@@SewSewLive My pleasure, long overdue. For what it's worth, your level of info is not too much for me. Remember, people can always rewind and replay - or just mentally flag the topic as one they might want to reconsider. I'll bet you're the type of learner who appreciates a teacher who challenges your current level of understanding. Consider maybe you're that teacher for all of us.
I didn't think I would be able to understand this, but I did. Your explanation of depth shape was the ah-ha! moment. To add to the problem, I have a hyperextended spine, which has made it a challenge for me to sew pants, and has always been a hit or miss operation for me. Generally, I get it right after modifications and seam ripping. But these are alterations after the fact. Your methods will help me get it right from the beginning. Thank you!
Thank you for this video. I understand trouser fitting much better. I’ve tried many patterns without a great deal of success on the fit, so always end up wearing them with a long shirt! Looking forward to try again hopefully with more success.
This whole thing about how each body is shaped so different and how you have to make the adjustments above first before continuing is very true! That whole negative space thing really got me understanding pants fitting in a whole new way.
Thank you so much for the reminder, "be kind to yourself"....I really want to succeed and I know it's a journey, but it can be discouraging when I realize time and time again how much I still have to learn before I can produce a truly tailored garment. I really appreciate all the different drawings, diagrams, and displays, thank you! 😊
Hi when you’re explaining about the horizontal vertical.. if it’s vertical it’s the circumference problem and if it’s horizontal the it’s a length problem. can that be the same think if it is the front? Cause my is a little baggie from my belly button do to my crotch????
This was very interesting, thank you! I have made a handful of trousers and some have been awful and some are winners. Different pattern companies seem to use very different blocks! This happened recently with a skirt pattern too! It was the Love Notions Glissando, that I had to take an inch and a half off the back centre section - this despite me having to ADD an inch to the rear crotch depth on their trouser patterns…. no idea…..!
Thank you so much for sharing this! It helped me to understand how different shapes can be for the same measurements. Now to figure out how to adjust them. Again - Thanks!
This is brilliant, thank you so much for demonstrating this fitting in different formats. Yes, pants have always been a bit of a mystery to me and I've been dreading the pants leg of my drafting journey!
A very good illustration of why fitting pants is not easy, and why one pattern can be perfect for someone and completely different for someone else even though they measure the same!
OK! OKAY!!!! Light bulb moment at 9 min! So I can see extending that crotch point (and in seam) creates a larger negative space, or in other words makes that crotch curve bigger for my body to sit inside! In pant fitting I've never understood that adjustment which is commonly suggested for me. With your superimposed pattern over a body I suddenly can "see" it! Thank you for making this video! I look forward to studying with you more. Gee - maybe I can actually make a pair of pants I like! Thank you!!!
I came to make the same comment, had the same light bulb moment at 9 min & also at 13.05 (same dimensions, different shape). Can’t wait to learn more from this lady, what a wonderful teaching style. Those graphics helped visualise the concepts.
Thank you! I am new to garment sewing and have been wondering what the deal is with pants fitting. This is a great explanation. Now I just need to figure out which shape my jelly bean is! Looking forward to your next video!
All jelly beans are great :) ! Welcome to sewing! And please-don't stress too much about fitting. I worked in the garment industry and of course we concerned ourselves with how our clothes fit customers, but the home sewing world is VERY focused on this and it can be an obstacle. Make clothes you like and feel good! If they make you happy that's all that matters! One step at a time!
I haven't tried pants yet (hopefully this year!) 🤞 but this was super interesting. Especially when you showed the box and all the different patterns. Any plans for doing a sleeve video like this? I'm already thinking of the comparisons.
Thanks for watching Heidi-especially since you’re not in to making pants! I’m really happy people enjoy the graphics so yes there will be more videos. And I love talking about sleeves!
I love your videos! You really get me thinking. I’m working on a pants “block” pattern right now, and I’ve made three versions that are all comfortable, but I’m not satisfied yet. Too perfectionist!! I’m starting to learn what people mean by over-fitting😬 I’ve watched your jelly bean video a long time ago. I need to check it out again. Does yours help you with fitting a pattern, or just with the concepts of pant fitting?
Oh yes-it's so easy to get laser focused on fitting and it's hard to claw our way out of that overfitting rabbit hole! I've been down there with Alice plenty. Jelly Bean is mostly used as a fitting tool for demonstrations. While Jelly Bean is MY measurements, because she's only half, it's a little harder to get her to be identical to me- mounting her with a pole through her and stuffing her all add variables. (Before this video, I actually re-mounted her so her posture was more natural as opposed to her being severely knock kneed haha). I could certainly refine her to match me more closely but I get a lot more use helping others with her. And I like to make a video of myself when I fit my own pants! (meaning just a little phone video). Making her is very fast! But I did have to figure out a few things in order to do this! I should try and use her for myself one day!
But how do we measure the crotch depth or know how it was set in the pattern so we can know how to do the adjustments? Like for FBA, I know I need one if the pattern is drafted for b-cup. How do we know which plane we need to adjust on the patterns?
In my opinion, if you do measure for this depth, it's hard to use that information for anything that isn't also a little difficult to implement. It can be useful information in some scenarios, but I find making a sample is going to be the most illuminating. Because pants do not have those 'planes' represented as such, you'll find it hard to know where to place that depth measurement. So don't worry about it! It's just a way to think about how that negative space is sometimes working against and maybe it's the area we need to adjust.
I’ve been too busy to watch many videos, but i’m so glad I watched this one when it popped up on my feed! I’ve been trying to fit woven pants for a long time. My knit pattern was fine. I finally drafted a pattern that looked fine standing, but I wanted more sitting ease. I added 1/4” at the grain lines and the toile looked baggy. After watching your explanation I will move that extra 1/4” to the inseam and outseam planes for more depth and see if that helps. What do you suggest doing with the extra crotch length? Take it off at the waist or hipline?
If you’re looking gone sitting ease, you might need this extra horizontally-not as a depth thing! I’m going to cover this in a follow up video. But try a horizontal slice from center back to the side seam like a slice of pie. Open up a wedge. It might be the thing you need!
Hi. On your video at time 6:34 you show a picture of one leg with a in seam. Which go straight down the middle of the enter leg. They look lined up. On my pants I made what causes the line NOT TO LINE UP IN THE MIDDLE? It goes a little to the back.
If I understand you correctly, and you’re just talking about the inseam, it doesn’t have to be perfectly centered on the inside of your leg. Who knows why it does on my dress form-it might not if we measured it! It’s okay if you need the crotch point to come more to the front or more to the back. I made a follow up video, and there is a bit there where I show how the crotch points should line up. It’s in the time stamps toward the end and called something like landmarks. You just don’t want your leg to torque! But make it comfortable and you’re fine if nothing crazy is happening with the other landmarks. Good luck.
How do you measure crotch depth from front to back? I have attempted this measurement using an L square. I heard you say this measurement should be the same as the one sitting from waist to top of chair/ bottom of bum - correct? Thank you. PS: How do you account for a sway back or hollow in back just under waist and above hips? Look for direction of lines? Thanks again.
Personally, I do not measure the body depth from front to back (and just to clarify, this measurement would only match the other crotch depth measurement by chance or luck- they do not match usually). I only bring it up as a way to think about the negative space inside the pants that you are taking up. Some fitting folks like to use a curved ruler or two L squares to measure this- and that's great! However I find it difficult to utilize this information in a constructive way. Since the pants pattern doesn't have actual 'planes' denoted on it, it'd be hard to translate your depth to the pant depth. I'm not saying it can't be done! But by the time you did this accurately, you have probably not saved yourself any headaches or time. Sewing a sample and fitting yourself will be far more valuable. And for a sway back or hip tilt, usually you'll find the front needs to be lowered and the back raised a tiny bit. I have this issue! And usually my bum sits higher than average and my waist is not parallel to the floor. Like I said, put the waist where you want it! And adjust the angle to match what you prefer! More videos will be coming! Thanks for watching!
@ Thank you. I will keep an eye out for more videos. This has been a challenging area in my sewing, and one that I have avoided because of fitting issues, especially with woven fabrics. Knits are forgiving… 😊
Thank you very much! I have a larger tummy and a flat bottom. I have watched a gal on UA-cam who is a pear shape and really big in the bottom and thighs. Some pants fit her soo well and look nice on her. I buy the same size and it might fit in the waist but be really baggy in the bottom and thighs. I have to do a good bit of altering a lot of times and this helps.
I love that you found someone you like for fitting help!! That's great! Especially if they resemble you in some areas! I hope you get pants you love! I'm glad I could help a little!!
@ Actually she is the opposite of my body shape. I just love to watch her put outfits together or show what’s new at Walmart but I can’t wear the same jeans very often.
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this is great detail!! I think im going to beed ti watch this several time to really get it. I do have a question i hope you will answer: i understand WHY you made the changes in the color coded patterns you did but not HOW. It woul be super helpful if yiu could say, this part if the body measured this so i added 1" to this part if the patter ans subtracted 1/2" from this part. Show us how you made the blue and green parts. Did I just miss it? Thanks again!!!
I’m glad you enjoyed it! And a follow up video will be coming addressing some of the questions and comments! I love getting them! For the changes I made for the comparison (which I *think* starts at 14:30) I show the changing on the screen but it’s sped up-I’m talking over it. You can slow the speed settings down using the little settings/cog wheel if you want to watch it BUT like I also say, I’m basically manipulating these to get the silhouette I want to show you how they’d look in comparison. I’m not technically making real pattern changes here to accommodate any fitting. I’ll likely be adding fitting video for pants and I’ll cover all sorts of fitting changes. I’m mostly trying to help you wrap your head around how a body takes up space inside the pants. We’re fitting three dimensionally with two flat patterns- it’s a lot to achieve! And this planes of the dimensions are shared on two planes- the side and inseam! So it’s tricky to visualize- obviously!
@SewSewLive yay! Can't wait for more fitting videos! I am also wanting to remake a pair of loose fitting pants I ordered that has the crotch half way down the thigh, which I hate. Have a wonderful day!!!
@SewSewLive that was my intention after watching your video but the pockets start right under the waistband so I'll be cutting into them. Also the dang things will be up to my knees and a seem there to lengthen the pants will look odd. Since the pattern was actually cut with the intention of a low crotch would it in this case to cut open the inseam (opposite your advise) and recut to a pattern that suits me? Thank you and I hope you are having a beautiful day!
Usually there are two lengthen/shorten lines. One in the torso area and one in the legs. The one in the torso area will be under your pocket openings. If there isn’t one there, add one. Slice across the torso below your pockets. Don’t shorten it at the top. Slash and overlap!
Interesting. Once when I was trying to pad a dressform to my measurements, I got all the circumferences correct but it didn't look like me. I took photos of us side by side and I was clearly wider from the front and narrower from the side, the dressform was more of a circle. You can make "calipers" with two L-shaped rulers to measure those width and depth dimensions and then adjust the padding. I didn't make the connection to the crotch extension of pants until now though. Your video is helpful, though I had to pause it for long periods to decipher the drawings and color codes. It is hard to reconcile equal body circumferences from your two adjusted pants patterns. You're on to something. One could try to measure/calculate their oval shape with the L rulers and a flexible ruler for crotch curve might also help to measure depth, no?
I haven't finished the video yet but I am definitely the one on the right - volume in the front and back. When I was doing TDCO technique I was getting too much fabric overall. Thoughts!?
Seremy, how do you measure the depth from Bellybutton to spine. Is it too measure around or somehow a straight measurement front to back as a side view, I hope that makes sense.
You can get this “front to back” measurement by making 2 L-shaped cardboard pieces , Olace them so they form a big “U shape”. You can connect them at the center of the base of the “U” with ribber bands. Slide the shaped form between your legs, so one part goes at your belly, and the other goes touching your back. Slide the L Shapes together till they make the front & back vertical cardboard parts touch both your front and back. Gently step out of the “U” that you formed, measure the space that remains between the vertical pieces. This is your “front to back” body measurement. Good luck.
Hi Anne! You know, there are ways to do it(and one commenter replied to you on how to do it with L squares, another mentioned calipers) but honestly, what would you do with that measurement? It’s sort of tricky to utilize the info in a clear and useful way. Since the patient technically have these planes indicated. So I personally wouldn’t go to the trouble unless you think it’ll be helpful, then go for it! I’m going to do a follow-up video to explore this and a few other comments and questions. Thanks for watching and also for commenting here and in the Guild! I appreciate it!
When you was explaining the 2 ways of the crotch depth. Where do I put the tape measure when doing the second crotch depth you was talking about? I did the sit down on the chair and my crotch was 8”. And my butt is flat and my stomach does stick out a little bit.
There’s a new video out today (actually two!) addressing the crotch depth questions! Here’s a link: ua-cam.com/video/B9drfRCTKfA/v-deo.htmlsi=BPKUDBABvZ-tpMzj and the other one is linked in the description.
So I will just cut a pant pattern out like a pair of 60's hot pants & fit that part, then I won't be distracted from the nonsense going on at the back leg. That is ALWAYS a mess for me! lol
I totally understand! And I appreciate you saying this! I have a follow-up video coming soon because there are just so many ways to look at it! Thanks for the comment and watching!
It's VERY hard to help anyone in a comments section of a video. I love helping people! If you want to chat and go over your pants fitting, you can hire me! I have consultations available on my website. Or like I said in the video, check out my community and become a Sew Sew Guildie where I help people live in zooms every other week four times a month! The guild is linked in the description and here's the consult link from my website: sewsew.live/products/fitting-sewing-consultations
Follow-Up Video answering your questions and comments out now: ua-cam.com/video/B9drfRCTKfA/v-deo.htmlsi=BPKUDBABvZ-tpMzj
Thank you so much for even explaining this for us "newbies". I only ever made clothes I could make from my head, but I'm looking to try patterns, but also make my own patterns, and my body shape changed so much after a long, tragic period with health problems included.
Really, the only reason "clothes makes the person" is that they sit properly and hide the bulge/enhance the beauty. So, this was by far the best introduction I could have hoped to find... and I wasn't even looking to start my journey (again) with pants at all!
So helpful! And the part that really hit home for me was at 9 min 10 sec where you showed the pattern superimposed on the body. I have trouble sometimes visualizing how the pattern share relates to the location on the body ~ But you clarified it completely! Thanks so much!
It's so hard to visualize pants on ourselves! They're a very kooky pattern!!
Learning about depth has been the single most important thing to getting proper fit for me! Thanks for this great demo!
Awesome! Same! I still will doubt it too! haha!
Thank you for explaining this. I want to better understand my body within a pattern. I am excited to explore my fit. Your demonstration with jelly bean helped.
I’m glad to hear it! Fitting is such a journey!
Well this is life-changing! It makes so much more sense now! Your demos and graphics are clear & very helpful. Thank you so much for sharing this.
You're very welcome! I hope it helps!
You’re amazing! I’m so grateful for your commitment to clarity. Your visuals are so helpful to me!
I’m so glad they’re helping! I think visuals are the key to understanding fit! 😄
I like 👍🏼 your videos very much! Excellent presentation-I haven’t seen these variations addressed so well as in this vid. I find the simple diagrams helpful. Thanks,❤!
Wonderful to hear! I’m not great at drawing-unless it’s pattern pieces! 😄 Two more videos out tomorrow!
This does help to explain things and how our tummies play a big role in pants fitting. I have been successful in getting top part of my pants to fit good. My waist, hips, and crotch. I was working on tapering in my legs. I also put a seam going up the back of my legs. I was attempting to get all 3 seams to work together. Unfortunately I found out I have cancer. Between the emotions of dealing with cancer,numerous appointments, and other commitments I just became overwhelmed. I didn’t touch my sewing machine for over 2 weeks. I have started sewing again but I’m just doing simple things like skirts and bowls cozies. I should find out this week or start of next week how serious the cancer is. I will be having surgery and possible chemotherapy. Hopefully once I heal from the surgery I will feel like working on pants again. I’m feeling pretty good and I have no pain. My chest came up clear for cancer. Also I’m really enjoying just sewing anything right now in sewing and it helps me so much mentally and emotionally and I’m getting some nice skirts for church.
Good luck, Victoria. I wish you strength and positivity and good people along the way. ❤
I hope you heal quickly. Sending you love and healing strength from across the internet❤️. ✌️✌️✌️
Life changes are never easy. I'm glad you're finding a little comfort with your sewing- pants fitting can WAIT! You're far more important we wish you the best in your process! You're not alone!
This is a wildly in depth video my mind is blown thank you so much??!!!
My pleasure! A follow up answering questions and comments and a little more time with the sketches is up now!
You are amazing at explaining this. I subscribed to your channel before I even watched it to the half way mark. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Wow thank you! I appreciate that!
Thank you so much for this video. I really appreciated the way you broke it down into planes. I've been studying fitting in general for some time and this way of visualizing it was fresh and helpful. You are one of my most trusted resources due to your genuine knowledge and experience and the way you're able to explain what you know. I'm not sure what your slump is about - every creative person has them - but please take your own advice. Be nice to yourself! You deserve to feel good about what you're putting out there, because it's truly valuable. Not to put any other creators down, but you know so much more than most of them. I wouldn't be where I am in my sewing without watching you. I just donated on your website and encourage others to do the same. Happy Thanksgiving, Saremy!
Are you Kate??? Thank you so much for that- what a welcome and generous surprise- that was very nice of you!! And your words truly mean a lot to me. I think I struggle with throwing too much information at people- it's too much and I know it. I'm very excited about this and I'm so thankful I've always loved it and been excited for all this time. It's great to share it! But I know people can also have a limit! I'm always working on becoming a better teacher. Thank you for the appreciation!
@@SewSewLive My pleasure, long overdue. For what it's worth, your level of info is not too much for me. Remember, people can always rewind and replay - or just mentally flag the topic as one they might want to reconsider. I'll bet you're the type of learner who appreciates a teacher who challenges your current level of understanding. Consider maybe you're that teacher for all of us.
@YBM-kp4iv Your comments alone are worth making this video for me! Thank you! ❤️
These visualizations were very helpful, thank you!
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!
This was wonderful. I finally understand the why of my fitting adjustments instead of just the how. Thank you
That's great, thanks for watching!
I didn't think I would be able to understand this, but I did. Your explanation of depth shape was the ah-ha! moment. To add to the problem, I have a hyperextended spine, which has made it a challenge for me to sew pants, and has always been a hit or miss operation for me. Generally, I get it right after modifications and seam ripping. But these are alterations after the fact. Your methods will help me get it right from the beginning. Thank you!
We all have our fitting sore points, don't we!? I'm so glad the depth example helped in any way.
Thank you for this video. I understand trouser fitting much better. I’ve tried many patterns without a great deal of success on the fit, so always end up wearing them with a long shirt! Looking forward to try again hopefully with more success.
We've all been there! If they're comfortable-they're great!
This whole thing about how each body is shaped so different and how you have to make the adjustments above first before continuing is very true! That whole negative space thing really got me understanding pants fitting in a whole new way.
Awesome Justine!!
Thank you so much! The comparisons really explain this scenario well!
That's great- I'm so glad! Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for the reminder, "be kind to yourself"....I really want to succeed and I know it's a journey, but it can be discouraging when I realize time and time again how much I still have to learn before I can produce a truly tailored garment.
I really appreciate all the different drawings, diagrams, and displays, thank you! 😊
You’re welcome! I’m glad you’ll be kind to yourself! Small changes make a big impact so go slowly!
Please like your videos.. they are worth it! 😍 I have been afraid to even try to make pants, but maybe not anymore. Very helpful.
I enjoyed making this- and that’s what I’m focusing on now! Thank you for such a kind comment!
Thanks
Thank you very much for the tip! I appreciate it! Happy Sewing!
Ahhh thinking about how people's depth vs. width within the same size affecting the crotch depth makes so much sense! Thanks to you and jelly bean.
Jelly Bean and I say, You're welcome! We're glad to help!
Hi when you’re explaining about the horizontal vertical.. if it’s vertical it’s the circumference problem and if it’s horizontal the it’s a length problem. can that be the same think if it is the front? Cause my is a little baggie from my belly button do to my crotch????
This was very interesting, thank you! I have made a handful of trousers and some have been awful and some are winners. Different pattern companies seem to use very different blocks! This happened recently with a skirt pattern too! It was the Love Notions Glissando, that I had to take an inch and a half off the back centre section - this despite me having to ADD an inch to the rear crotch depth on their trouser patterns…. no idea…..!
Once you find your pattern company, it’ll be a lot easier!
@ The Sewing Revival from New Zealand worked great for me! Big smiles about them!
Thank you so much for sharing this! It helped me to understand how different shapes can be for the same measurements. Now to figure out how to adjust them. Again - Thanks!
My pleasure! I hope you get the pants of your dreams one day!
Very helpful - especially the overlay of two shapes / one "size".
Awesome!
Wonderful explanation Saremy. Thankyou
My pleasure, thanks for the comment!
Thanks Saremy !
Thanks for watching, Hilary! And commenting!
Such a great video! When I realized that the shape of my abdomen wasn’t the same as someone else’s, that’s when it clicked for me.
Love that!
Fascinating. Very helpful in the sewing learning journey. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
And most appropriate username in the comments section, haha!
This is brilliant, thank you so much for demonstrating this fitting in different formats. Yes, pants have always been a bit of a mystery to me and I've been dreading the pants leg of my drafting journey!
My pleasure! Good luck fitting your pants!
Never thought to think about this! Thank you, loved this topic and the explanations with all the visuals! 🥰
Awesome! Glad you liked it!
Wow! That was amazing! Thank you!! New subscriber here.
Thanks for subscribing!
A very good illustration of why fitting pants is not easy, and why one pattern can be perfect for someone and completely different for someone else even though they measure the same!
Absolutely! It's always a process!
OK! OKAY!!!! Light bulb moment at 9 min! So I can see extending that crotch point (and in seam) creates a larger negative space, or in other words makes that crotch curve bigger for my body to sit inside! In pant fitting I've never understood that adjustment which is commonly suggested for me. With your superimposed pattern over a body I suddenly can "see" it! Thank you for making this video! I look forward to studying with you more. Gee - maybe I can actually make a pair of pants I like! Thank you!!!
You got this!! It just takes patience, prototypes and curiosity!
I came to make the same comment, had the same light bulb moment at 9 min & also at 13.05 (same dimensions, different shape). Can’t wait to learn more from this lady, what a wonderful teaching style. Those graphics helped visualise the concepts.
@katelyn3997 Two more videos out tomorrow! Thanks for watching!
Thank you! I am new to garment sewing and have been wondering what the deal is with pants fitting. This is a great explanation. Now I just need to figure out which shape my jelly bean is! Looking forward to your next video!
All jelly beans are great :) ! Welcome to sewing! And please-don't stress too much about fitting. I worked in the garment industry and of course we concerned ourselves with how our clothes fit customers, but the home sewing world is VERY focused on this and it can be an obstacle. Make clothes you like and feel good! If they make you happy that's all that matters! One step at a time!
This makes so much sense. Thank you for sharing your video!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching! Happy sewing!
Thanks for such a clear explanation!
Of course! Good luck with your pants fitting!
Love this! Thank you! Helpful new perspective
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
I haven't tried pants yet (hopefully this year!) 🤞 but this was super interesting. Especially when you showed the box and all the different patterns. Any plans for doing a sleeve video like this? I'm already thinking of the comparisons.
Thanks for watching Heidi-especially since you’re not in to making pants! I’m really happy people enjoy the graphics so yes there will be more videos. And I love talking about sleeves!
Genius! Thank you so much for sharing this very enlightening video!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it!
Wauw! Basically, I need to drape my pants pattern to get the best fit. Thank you!
Haha if you want to, go for it! But tricky too.
Really useful illustration, thank you so much!
You're very welcome!
Great demo and points, thank you 🙏
Thanks for watching!
I love your videos! You really get me thinking. I’m working on a pants “block” pattern right now, and I’ve made three versions that are all comfortable, but I’m not satisfied yet. Too perfectionist!! I’m starting to learn what people mean by over-fitting😬
I’ve watched your jelly bean video a long time ago. I need to check it out again. Does yours help you with fitting a pattern, or just with the concepts of pant fitting?
Oh yes-it's so easy to get laser focused on fitting and it's hard to claw our way out of that overfitting rabbit hole! I've been down there with Alice plenty.
Jelly Bean is mostly used as a fitting tool for demonstrations. While Jelly Bean is MY measurements, because she's only half, it's a little harder to get her to be identical to me- mounting her with a pole through her and stuffing her all add variables. (Before this video, I actually re-mounted her so her posture was more natural as opposed to her being severely knock kneed haha). I could certainly refine her to match me more closely but I get a lot more use helping others with her. And I like to make a video of myself when I fit my own pants! (meaning just a little phone video). Making her is very fast! But I did have to figure out a few things in order to do this! I should try and use her for myself one day!
Extremely informative, Thanks
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for this video. It is a very informative one. ❤
Thank you for watching-I'm glad it was informative!
Thank you so much! Very helpful
You're welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Love the concept! Thank you!
My pleasure!
You are great teacher ❤
Well thank you- that is very high praise. I'm always working on it and I hope to be one day!
This is a great one. Thanks so much for posting this!!!!
Thanks for watching!
sooooo good!!! I learned a lot!!
Nice!
That was great! Ty 😊
You are so welcome!
Thank you!!
You are welcome!
It clicked!
Awesome! 🙌🏼
Thank you for sharing ❤❤❤❤
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
Great video thanks for the invaluable information :)
My pleasure!
But how do we measure the crotch depth or know how it was set in the pattern so we can know how to do the adjustments? Like for FBA, I know I need one if the pattern is drafted for b-cup. How do we know which plane we need to adjust on the patterns?
In my opinion, if you do measure for this depth, it's hard to use that information for anything that isn't also a little difficult to implement. It can be useful information in some scenarios, but I find making a sample is going to be the most illuminating. Because pants do not have those 'planes' represented as such, you'll find it hard to know where to place that depth measurement. So don't worry about it! It's just a way to think about how that negative space is sometimes working against and maybe it's the area we need to adjust.
This made sense, thank you
Yay!
I’ve been too busy to watch many videos, but i’m so glad I watched this one when it popped up on my feed! I’ve been trying to fit woven pants for a long time. My knit pattern was fine. I finally drafted a pattern that looked fine standing, but I wanted more sitting ease. I added 1/4” at the grain lines and the toile looked baggy. After watching your explanation I will move that extra 1/4” to the inseam and outseam planes for more depth and see if that helps. What do you suggest doing with the extra crotch length? Take it off at the waist or hipline?
If you’re looking gone sitting ease, you might need this extra horizontally-not as a depth thing! I’m going to cover this in a follow up video. But try a horizontal slice from center back to the side seam like a slice of pie. Open up a wedge. It might be the thing you need!
@ Thank you!
Hi. On your video at time 6:34 you show a picture of one leg with a in seam. Which go straight down the middle of the enter leg. They look lined up. On my pants I made what causes the line NOT TO LINE UP IN THE MIDDLE? It goes a little to the back.
If I understand you correctly, and you’re just talking about the inseam, it doesn’t have to be perfectly centered on the inside of your leg. Who knows why it does on my dress form-it might not if we measured it! It’s okay if you need the crotch point to come more to the front or more to the back.
I made a follow up video, and there is a bit there where I show how the crotch points should line up. It’s in the time stamps toward the end and called something like landmarks.
You just don’t want your leg to torque! But make it comfortable and you’re fine if nothing crazy is happening with the other landmarks. Good luck.
How do you measure crotch depth from front to back? I have attempted this measurement using an L square. I heard you say this measurement should be the same as the one sitting from waist to top of chair/ bottom of bum - correct? Thank you. PS: How do you account for a sway back or hollow in back just under waist and above hips? Look for direction of lines? Thanks again.
Personally, I do not measure the body depth from front to back (and just to clarify, this measurement would only match the other crotch depth measurement by chance or luck- they do not match usually). I only bring it up as a way to think about the negative space inside the pants that you are taking up. Some fitting folks like to use a curved ruler or two L squares to measure this- and that's great! However I find it difficult to utilize this information in a constructive way. Since the pants pattern doesn't have actual 'planes' denoted on it, it'd be hard to translate your depth to the pant depth. I'm not saying it can't be done! But by the time you did this accurately, you have probably not saved yourself any headaches or time. Sewing a sample and fitting yourself will be far more valuable.
And for a sway back or hip tilt, usually you'll find the front needs to be lowered and the back raised a tiny bit. I have this issue! And usually my bum sits higher than average and my waist is not parallel to the floor. Like I said, put the waist where you want it! And adjust the angle to match what you prefer! More videos will be coming! Thanks for watching!
@ Thank you. I will keep an eye out for more videos. This has been a challenging area in my sewing, and one that I have avoided because of fitting issues, especially with woven fabrics. Knits are forgiving… 😊
Thank you very much! I have a larger tummy and a flat bottom. I have watched a gal on UA-cam who is a pear shape and really big in the bottom and thighs. Some pants fit her soo well and look nice on her. I buy the same size and it might fit in the waist but be really baggy in the bottom and thighs. I have to do a good bit of altering a lot of times and this helps.
I love that you found someone you like for fitting help!! That's great! Especially if they resemble you in some areas! I hope you get pants you love! I'm glad I could help a little!!
@ Actually she is the opposite of my body shape. I just love to watch her put outfits together or show what’s new at Walmart but I can’t wear the same jeans very often.
@@Brandi62 Okay, I thought that's what you meant! :) But I can also tell you get value from her content- which is great!
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this is great detail!! I think im going to beed ti watch this several time to really get it. I do have a question i hope you will answer: i understand WHY you made the changes in the color coded patterns you did but not HOW. It woul be super helpful if yiu could say, this part if the body measured this so i added 1" to this part if the patter ans subtracted 1/2" from this part. Show us how you made the blue and green parts. Did I just miss it? Thanks again!!!
I’m glad you enjoyed it! And a follow up video will be coming addressing some of the questions and comments! I love getting them! For the changes I made for the comparison (which I *think* starts at 14:30) I show the changing on the screen but it’s sped up-I’m talking over it. You can slow the speed settings down using the little settings/cog wheel if you want to watch it BUT like I also say, I’m basically manipulating these to get the silhouette I want to show you how they’d look in comparison. I’m not technically making real pattern changes here to accommodate any fitting. I’ll likely be adding fitting video for pants and I’ll cover all sorts of fitting changes. I’m mostly trying to help you wrap your head around how a body takes up space inside the pants. We’re fitting three dimensionally with two flat patterns- it’s a lot to achieve! And this planes of the dimensions are shared on two planes- the side and inseam! So it’s tricky to visualize- obviously!
@SewSewLive yay! Can't wait for more fitting videos! I am also wanting to remake a pair of loose fitting pants I ordered that has the crotch half way down the thigh, which I hate. Have a wonderful day!!!
@debddit Pull them up!! 👏🏼 Trim off the top, lengthen the legs if needed later when you’re close to being done fitting the torso!
@SewSewLive that was my intention after watching your video but the pockets start right under the waistband so I'll be cutting into them. Also the dang things will be up to my knees and a seem there to lengthen the pants will look odd. Since the pattern was actually cut with the intention of a low crotch would it in this case to cut open the inseam (opposite your advise) and recut to a pattern that suits me? Thank you and I hope you are having a beautiful day!
Usually there are two lengthen/shorten lines. One in the torso area and one in the legs. The one in the torso area will be under your pocket openings. If there isn’t one there, add one. Slice across the torso below your pockets. Don’t shorten it at the top. Slash and overlap!
Interesting. Once when I was trying to pad a dressform to my measurements, I got all the circumferences correct but it didn't look like me. I took photos of us side by side and I was clearly wider from the front and narrower from the side, the dressform was more of a circle. You can make "calipers" with two L-shaped rulers to measure those width and depth dimensions and then adjust the padding. I didn't make the connection to the crotch extension of pants until now though. Your video is helpful, though I had to pause it for long periods to decipher the drawings and color codes. It is hard to reconcile equal body circumferences from your two adjusted pants patterns. You're on to something. One could try to measure/calculate their oval shape with the L rulers and a flexible ruler for crotch curve might also help to measure depth, no?
Sometimes those curved rulers can be really handy but honestly a prototype is your best friend!
@@SewSewLive Oh, I always make a muslin or two! I agree.
Thank you! This explains why I have so much trouble finding pants or pants patterns that fit.
I haven't finished the video yet but I am definitely the one on the right - volume in the front and back. When I was doing TDCO technique I was getting too much fabric overall. Thoughts!?
If you’re getting a lot of fabric overall, it may not have been the right size for you. Try sizing down! Pick the size based on your hip measurement.
Thank you all so much for your prayers and kind thoughts.
Good luck!!
Seremy, how do you measure the depth from Bellybutton to spine. Is it too measure around or somehow a straight measurement front to back as a side view, I hope that makes sense.
You can get this “front to back” measurement by making 2 L-shaped cardboard pieces , Olace them so they form a big “U shape”. You can connect them at the center of the base of the “U” with ribber bands. Slide the shaped form between your legs, so one part goes at your belly, and the other goes touching your back. Slide the L Shapes together till they make the front & back vertical cardboard parts touch both your front and back. Gently step out of the “U” that you formed, measure the space that remains between the vertical pieces. This is your “front to back” body measurement. Good luck.
@NadoCrowFriend that's a great idea, thanks
@@NadoCrowFriend that is a great idea. I will try that using it not between my legs but front to back along my side hip.
Hi Anne! You know, there are ways to do it(and one commenter replied to you on how to do it with L squares, another mentioned calipers) but honestly, what would you do with that measurement? It’s sort of tricky to utilize the info in a clear and useful way. Since the patient technically have these planes indicated. So I personally wouldn’t go to the trouble unless you think it’ll be helpful, then go for it! I’m going to do a follow-up video to explore this and a few other comments and questions. Thanks for watching and also for commenting here and in the Guild! I appreciate it!
Oh good you saw their idea!
When you was explaining the 2 ways of the crotch depth. Where do I put the tape measure when doing the second crotch depth you was talking about? I did the sit down on the chair and my crotch was 8”. And my butt is flat and my stomach does stick out a little bit.
There’s a new video out today (actually two!) addressing the crotch depth questions! Here’s a link: ua-cam.com/video/B9drfRCTKfA/v-deo.htmlsi=BPKUDBABvZ-tpMzj and the other one is linked in the description.
Jellybean!
Jelly Bean rides again! Actually I use jelly bean regularly! She’s so useful!! Especially when I’m helping someone fit! So glad I made her.
😂 when I saw the title I thought it was about when the crotch seam of your jeans clicks sometimes when you move 😂😂😂
I’m not sure which side of UA-cam I’m on right now but that would an interesting video. 🫣
So true it is frustrating
Indeed!
So I will just cut a pant pattern out like a pair of 60's hot pants & fit that part, then I won't be distracted from the nonsense going on at the back leg. That is ALWAYS a mess for me! lol
Hehe! Can't wait to see them!
So complicated for me. Cannot see into it...thank you for the video.
I totally understand! And I appreciate you saying this! I have a follow-up video coming soon because there are just so many ways to look at it! Thanks for the comment and watching!
Ok, no wonder women wore skirts and dresses for most of history.
And men! And sleeves were cut as rectangles and gussets were used to make them fit us!
@ I think that’s what I’ll do lol. But seriously you give excellent explanations, you are a good teacher! Thank you for this video
My pleasure!
SO WILL A FLAT BUTT AND A LITTLE BIT OF A BELLY CAUSE MY PANTS TO PULL DOWN THE BACK WAIST WHEN I LIFT MY LEG UP?.. please help me
It's VERY hard to help anyone in a comments section of a video. I love helping people! If you want to chat and go over your pants fitting, you can hire me! I have consultations available on my website. Or like I said in the video, check out my community and become a Sew Sew Guildie where I help people live in zooms every other week four times a month! The guild is linked in the description and here's the consult link from my website: sewsew.live/products/fitting-sewing-consultations