NO BOEING? - Delta's Major Fleet Decision
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In the 2010s, Delta made a major decision for their future fleet: to move towards more Airbus-orientated planes instead of Boeing; while they'll fly the 737 MAX one day, largely all other aircraft types will come from Airbus. However, was a decision to fly Airbus planes their own choice, or was it a decision they were forced into given movements from Boeing that have failed to see a new clean sheet middle of the market airliner produced, one Delta would've snapped up at a moment's notice.
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All their Boeings are high in age and Boeing hasn’t come up with a good alternative for the 757-200.
Untrue. While the wide bodies, 757, and 717 may be old, the core fleet of 737’s are relatively new and we are getting more everyday.
@chrisroberts3963 737's are not an alternative to wide bodies, 757's and 717's.
@@chrisroberts396337’s are not a alternative for the 757 though the A321 neo is..
@@dogukantosun5547 no they are not. The 757 is an old dog that will never go away because Boeing won’t make a replacement for them. The Airbus 321Neos provide somewhat of a replacement. The 717s are old but they are paid for, are reliable moneymakers and will stay for a long time (although the 220 could be an easy replacement). I don’t really pay to much attention to the wide bodies because I have no desire to fly them.
@@dogukantosun5547why not 737-10? Why can’t it replace the 757?
When one of the largest US airlines ditches Boeing in favor of an all Airbus fleet you know that Boeing have severly hurt their rep
that is Because Boeing Was mean and Nasty to delta
As a weekly flyer on Delta I already miss the 757. Earlier year Delta pulled all the 757’s from our local airport route and reassigned them to some international routes. We were all spoiled for several years flying this excellent plane for the multiple shuttles per day between Pensacola and Atlanta. Now we have these new’ish 737-900 with a rather stark and strange layout. Fortunately the flight time is short as these planes are quite uncomfortable. Looking forward to the new AB arrival.
How does *anyone* miss DL's 757s? Worst planes ever (in the West) for economy passengers. Narrowest seats, lowest ceilings, least leg room, and 44-ish rows make (de)boarding long and miserable.
The A321 replaces the B757.
@@mollari2261you are talking about 37’s
Until Boeing starts to care more about its products and engineers more than the stock price, this trend will continue
Does this comment make sense at all?
@@Samguy55 Makes perfect sense to me
@@juansanchez-tr1dq how? Tell me how does Boeing care less about it’s products?
@@Samguy55Being a BA shareholder and live in Seattle area, I can second the comment on BA’s past performance on product, employees, executive bonus, and stock price. With the absorption of MD, it transformed from an engineering oriented company to a much diverse and short sighted company. There were issues with scandals associated with air force refueling plane acquisition and product quality, battery issue of 787, MCAS of 737, certification issue of 777X, and on and on. Some issues are so fundamental and raised questions on its ability to perform. One good example is failure of the initial 777X static load test. Nearly all plane development programs passed this test with adequate margin except the 777X initial test. When you consider all these symptoms, one will have to conclude that Boeing is sick and will take many years to recover.
@@Samguy55 Employing ex-burger flippers and letting them build aircraft with only 2 weeks training, using $7/hour Indian programmers who think its an ok idea to use the two essential MCAS sensors on alternative flights ?? You need more?
Delta just confirmed 12 additional A220-300 airframes today to be added to their fleet. Total will be 131 A220 aircraft.
Just the airframes...no seats, no electronics, no doors or landing gear, no lavs and of course no engines.
@@RLTtizME lmao
@@RLTtizMEThat's Ryanair fantasy
@@RLTtizMEell airframes technically include the gear and engines...
The only reasonable conclusion is that Delta wants to start doing vomit comet flights
yay….great news for the mechanics….NOT
It’s kinda weird considering one of delta’s hub is Seattle, the same place where Boeing’s factory is located
Seattle is a Delta hub but corporate HQ is Atlanta.
Delta has multiple hubs, their main one is Atlanta.
Airbus has an assembly factory in alabama so boeing doesn't really have an advantage anymore
Their Seattle hub is pathetic. I think they got one route to HND and one to ICN and that's it. HKG and SIN are all terminated.
@@lhk7006 Thought they also have PVG? Besides that there's LHR, AMS, and CDG, no? HKG and SIN might just have something to do with them generally not operating trash pandas out of SEA, and pretty much all of Asia closing during the lockdowns. If you're looking for the best long haul network, is DL really the best place to find it?
Well, Delta needs to replace their rapidly aging 757 and 767 fleets. Buying the A321neo variants is one thing, but I do think if Delta can convince Airbus to build a 6,800 nautical mile range A330-800neo (aka. less fuel capacity), Delta could sign up for 60 planes to replace the 767 once and for all.
Its not the fuel capacity but the wing box and the wings that is weighing down the A330-800. RR currently offers a derated engine but the fuel savings isn't proportional. Hence you still need a new engine with smaller core and a new wing
The 787-3 should be reconsidered to replace 767-300ERs
@@RaY_77W Nope. The 787-3 is too heavy a plane and its range was too limited. I'm suprised Boeing didn't consider a "787-5" model with a range of around 5,300 to 6,000 nautical miles from lower MTOW.
@@Sacto1654 I just said 787-3 for reference to a shorter 787.
But yes what you said is true
You can't replace them one for one. The airframe stay the same size and getting a smaller fuel tank will be difficult to justify just to save a bit
This is a surprise how??? At the end of the day…delta has got to make things work for delta and if Airbus can do it for them…then I say…good for delta.
This axiom applies to every taco stand on the planet. 👏🏼
Whatever happened to “ buy American”?
I have been thinking can't Delta just get the A330-800 to replace the 767?
Or even the 787-8
They already have 900s so they will probably bulk order 900s rather 800s
The 757 is hard to replace from a Pilots perspective. You can get the aircraft in and out of any airfield hot or cold without a performance penalty. The 737 from the 800 to 900 along with any A320 to 321 can’t do that. So to replace it with one of those like swapping a Hellcat for a Camry. For those outside of aviation to get the concept.
767-300/400 they’re magnificent, for a replacement anything 330 would be considerable. 767-300 A330-800, 767-400 A330-900 neo.
Adding the A350-1000 would be a good option.
For the 717 don’t send to the scrapyard yet put them in place of the CRJ.
Add more A220-300s and potential 500s to the fleet in place of older 319s and 320s.
That is just my opinion guys don’t throw Apples or Oranges….😂
It is swapping a Hellcat with something ~4% weaker. Delta takes the 757 into a lot of central American cities- but also the A320 and 737. These days, airports fit for a 757 to land at are also fit for any other midsize plane, trust me the A320neos will handle these routes just fine.
but the 757 has a lot of mechanicals otherwise known as delays... They are almost as old as I am
@@MrFloppy131 Lol they get up to altitude pretty quick too man. Working the 757 is a blast most of the time.
The 739 is a tank near max weight and take a while to reach cruise. A321 same gonna take a few steps to get high enough. Step climb (sit at 340 then 360.
75 get right up to 380 with no struggle.
Well said. The A320’s A321’s and Delta’s A321 neos frequently get weight restricted. 757’s never
Sounds right to me.
Delta knew, as soon as mcdonnell douglas merged with boeing, everything was gonna go downhill which it did. The 787 and 767 Freighter quality issues, the 737 Max MCAS problems and a sketchy certification, and the 777x delays. Boeing is all about entrepreneurs and profits rather then engineering and safety. Delta airlines definitely did the correct move when it comes to fleet. Before you all go cry at me, I'm not a Boeing hater nor a Airbus fan. I'm just stating the facts as you can clearly see Delta avoided the 737 Max groundings, 787 Delivery Delays and the 777x delays as they don't operate or ordered any of them at the moment aside from the 737 max 10.
The 787 will continue to sell very well even without delta. I bet it will achieve 2000+ orders by next year.
Delta don't want the 787 , just as much as United and American don't want the a350. To each its own.
@@mmm0404i thought united ordered the a350
@@assface954 first deliveries deferred to 2030. You know what that means
@@mmm0404. When comparing Airbus' total of over 800 aircraft orders to Boeing's under 400. in the Paris air show Airbus out sale Boeing by almost 400 more orders than Boeing.
@@mmm0404who is gonna order 300 more 787s that have already gotten orders in already?
I like how it seems like Delta is having beef with Boeing. Like their Wide Bodies are now exclusively Airbus(A330-900s and A350-900s). Also from what I read, Delta is planning to use the A330-900s as replacement for the 767s
They aren't having beef as if that's the case why did they order the Max 10??
@@crazylife726 Ig to say they still trust Boeing but just like airbus more
@@crazylife726to help replace 757s and keep their Boeing pilots happy
Delta doesn’t know what they like.
Boeing has lost their way. Actually you can sum it up and just say US aircraft manufacturing has lost their way. The dc-9 to md95/ 717 was arguably the best structurally built airplane. The 757 was arguably the best all-around engineered airplane of its time. Both were passenger and airline favorites
How can you say aircraft manufacturing has lost their way? They only build what is designed.
Heck Airbus builds with US manufacturing
@@soccerguy2433even China and Russia build with at least some American parts cause some things aren’t available anywhere else or have a very high cost
This story will be recycled over and over again.
Boeing dropped the ball with leadership and management not engineering.
Actual facts✅
Delta is in a spot here. The XLR doesn't really fit their needs domestically. The A330-800 limits international capacity due to weight restrictions. Hence it's slow sales. They may have to offset domestic operations with increased usage of the A220, which they should. They may have to just be patient and utilize the A330-9 and the A350's for all international operations. There's not much of a choice here.
I mean the A321neos and the 737max10 are basically the fits their domestic needs with hundreds on order
Yeah...ordering with Boeing might lead to extreme production delays
Good Choice 👍🏻
Such a smart move for delta
It's not a smart If an American airline doesn't want to buy planes from an American company then it should be boycotted
@@flar5022even if the product is junk?
..the Max-10 is not a replacement for the 757, as it fails to meet certain performance and route needs. 321-XLR would be closer with a slightly better range but doesn't have quite the same runway/hot weather performance.
The Max order by Delta is a token one & a deal in which Delta would have wrestled an absolute bargain. Airbus can't build A321 types fast enough for the majors, hence the Max order. Oh, and if Boeing had that MMA out there to the airlines, I doubt whether Icelandair would have gone the Airbus route...
Wow 😯
For an MMA, what about the 787-8? Is it that it's a wide body?
Delta has always avoided larger aircraft where it can. It got rid of the 747 every time it acquired it. It dropped the 777 as soon as the pandemic hit. They like smaller large aircraft throughout their history. The 787 adds nothing to what they cannot get from Airbus. The 757 they love because of the range and the smaller plane it is, allowing them to serve overseas markets no one else can with smaller long range aircraft. Why they have odd locations in Europe which are served by only the 757. So they are praying for a replacement from either manufacturer that can go the same distance and about the same size - and Airbus is getting closer to doing it.
Dj, u dont say why the a321xlr is not a satisfactory replacement for the 757 - it seems to fit the requirements in size and range. As for 767 replacememt, the 787-8 seems to be the best one available. Why wouldnt they go with that?
He did it again, turned the video into a 787 NightMare Liner
5:23 They don't have commitments for the A321XLR
It’s a disadvantage for any carrier to have a mix of Boeing and Airbus planes due to pilot certification. Obviously, it’s also a disadvantage to put all your eggs in one basket. Bottom line, neither manufacturer can supply all of Delta’s needs so a mix is a necessary evil. Splitting orders is the only option.
Another important factor is production slots. This forces airlines to mix their fleets.
I think Delta may just have to go with the A321NEO and MAX 10 for the 757 replacement. Boeing saying the NMA will not be available until the mid-2030’s, many of their 757’s will be pushing 40 years of age. They should have released the new aircraft alongside the 787 when airlines were beginning to push for the aircraft.
Boeing really missed an opportunity by not modifying the 757 with newer engines and continuing to produce it.
@@spinkid2000like I told someone earlier, doing such a thing will be very expensive to do. Also mostly everything on the 757 would have to be updated, which will be costly
Honestly though at the end of the day, Boeing has the power just make an upgraded 757 with new engines and maybe use some composites in the body so it isn’t a new plane but more modernized 😁👍🏼
That is one very expensive proposal (all tooling and build experience gone) that would also require extensive changes to be certifiable.
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Delta Why Not Order The A330-800neo
Probably… it’s too big to replace the 757… but I think the A330-800 is a good replacement for both their A330-200s and also their 767-300ERs.
It's not the right airplane for Delta. It's too heavy and has too much range.
B-757-200 best airliner ever built designed by engineers who loved the business! Then the fricken
"bean counters"got influence and the B-737-800 max appeared. All I saw was a overused B-737-200
1966 certified relic shortcut to get to market NOW
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Good. I’ve lost trust in Boeing since Max. Boeing’s chief pilot literally said in an internal email “I’m going to perform Jedi mind tricks” while he lying to legislators.
Why should you have lost trust in Boeing because of MAX? Just because a chief pilot said "im going to perform Jedi mind tricks" why lying to legislators does not mean you dont need to not trust them.
Like Airbus is a much more trustworthy company anyway
How about the b717
Boeings lack of commitment to quality would make any sane person reluctant to buy one.
How does Boeing have lack of commitment top quality?
Delta could go with the Airbus A321NEO and order more CFM’s XLR to replace the 737-800 along with the A320’s I really don’t see Delta making a deal with Boeing again. They were the very last ones to order the Boeing MAX10 and can still be canceled
They just ordered one hundred MAX10 to part replace 757, 737-800 and A320, so they just made a deal with Boeing and they will continue to do so in the future. Also do not forget that they have over 160 737-900ER in their fleet, most of them are less than ten years old so they will be around in the fleet for a long time too.
@@widget787 Delta is also the last airline who ordered the Boeing MAX and they wanted it by 2025 and they can still cancel if they want to the Boeing Max won’t be flying for airliners until almost 2028. There better off with the A321XLR or ordering more NEO’s and I’m aware of what it’s replacing that’s been in the talks for along time. As well as the A321 are the 757-200 replacements… and the 757-200 aren’t going anywhere for awhile
@@maxlewandowski841 Delta will not cancel their MAX10. I know many Airbus fanboys would love it but it won't happen. Even if the 10 does not get certified for any reason, which will not happen either, there is a passage in the contract that the order gets converted to the MAX9 in this case.
@@widget787 if the MAX 10 doesn’t get Certified then they will need to find a replacement they can’t wait for ever
Delta could use some New 777 Aircraft like the 300er and/or X Series and maybe some 787 Dreamliners
Somehow everyone forgot Delta's huge 737 max 10 order or what. That huge order alone makes Boeing still have a strong presence in Delta. Sure Delta chose cheap 330neo air frames over 787 but United and American have extremely big 787 fleet so theres no headache for Boeing. Delta was one of the very few major airlines in the world to not buy 777 300ER so I don't think Boeing expected them to be a 777X customer either
Just imagine Airbus making an A330-7 😎
Jet 2 are replacing their aging 757's with 321neos as well. Boeing could have used the 787-3 as an alternative for the 757.
That would be cost prohibitive due to the fact that wide body aircraft
Have an extra cost attached
For example on the ramp side you have to utilize can loaders and most small airports don’t have that.
Higher cost in Maintenance and so on.
The point of narrow body 8:41 aircraft was always a better choice for most non legacy airlines.
Even big legacy airlines reaped the benefits of narrow body aircraft for the above mentioned statement and allowed them more flexibility into markets that might not be well equipped for wide body aircraft.
No way the 787-3 gets even close to a 757 replacement. It's way too big and too heavy.
I wonder what Delta did with their 777 LRs? I always liked that bird.
fleet was retired due to covid and the efficiency of the a350
Went to Air India. They didn't even change the interior because how new it is. Basically, you are flying Delta with Indian FAs.
You know what is really sad?, it’s the simple fact that just how far Boeing has fallen with regards to the most important thing for an airline manufacturer and that is passengers. Without that all you’ve got is worry about is the plane going to get you to your destination safely and in one piece and for me that is the be all and end all nothing else matters
Well i would argue that both boeings future in Dl is similar to boeings presence in the state of Washington. 747, 757, 767 pax, 777 200/300 all shut down, the 787 program moved out. Boeing's as a company just isn't what is once was.
Another fine example of Boeing hate.
@@RLTtizME you would hate it too, if you hit your head as many times as I have, against the overhead panel. I have flown both, and I would take the Airbus any day for comfort, and I would take the Boeing any day for reliability. All the best.
I know going with airbus will cost a little more. If delta is smart they will stay far away from boeing until they get their operation and acr together.
Absolutely so surprise here at all. Delta and Boeing has been on the outs with each other for nearly two decades now. It was exacerbated when Boeing tried to sabotage that sweetheart deal Delta had for the then Bombardier C-Series aircraft with that US Federal Trade Commission complaint. Which forced Bombardier to sell the entire C-Series program to Airbus for the sum of one Canadian dollar and the C-Series was renamed and rebranded as the Airbus 220 with Delta original order to assembled in its facility in Alabama near to Delta's HQ in Atlanta, GA. Now combined that with Boeing's lack of a suitable replacement for B-757 which is a mainstay of Delta's fleet. Again so surprise here.😁😁.
Considering that delta just bought 4 or 5 Boeing 737s from Indonesian airlines. Delta is going for the best deal I know this cause I’ve been working on them
its a shame that boeing didnt make a new smaller plane that could take on the a320 neo that was similar in flight controls to the 787 in the same way that the airbus has similar flying characteristics & controls across the whole family.
thats what you wish for
They should order the A330-800 neo's to replace the 767's/ longer range 757's.
I would like one of Delta’s a350’s to be finished in the Skyteam livery too! 😮🙌🏼🫡😁✈️
So…this was all rumors and speculative banter ?????????
I heard that the reason why Boeing didn’t build such a thing as the 757 MAX or 757X was because of the cost. The 757 is just to expensive to create than the 737.
Delta may be leaning to Airbus, yet their AeroMexico fleet is dominated by Boeing. Interesting they're hedging current Boeing aircraft with Airbus in the USA, but going nearly all-in (less sub-100 seat regionals) in Mexico.
Curious isn't it.
I thought Delta committed to buying 100+ 737 Max? To be honest, I'm not excited for that.
Until Boeing builds something modern and better, rather than whine to government about delta ordering Canadian planes, nobody can be surprised with Delta’s resulting decisions.
Airbus A322 would be perfect
Thank you sir, excellent as always. You can count beans all day long but if you don’t plant new beanstalks there’ll soon be none left to count. Boeing needs to become an engineering company again as it was par excellence in the past. The 777 was a world beater and one of the the best planes the company ever produced, but the delays on the 777X are unpardonable. The way things are going Airbus will soon have 2/3 of the civil airliner business. And this will be because of Boeing’s failures.
In 5 years time, the story will change. Boeing will bounce back once the 777x is out. Mark my word
@@Samguy55 i hope so. I’m not anti Boeing. I worked in flight simulation in the 80’s and was part of the launch of the A320 range. After two crashes due to the flight software it nearly went the way of the Comet in the 50’s, but they persevered and finally got it right. The same thing happened with the Max and they as well finally got it right as well. But the 737 is basically a design that’s nearly 60 years old, it wasn’t even designed to take modern bypass engines. Boeing’s problems are that they haven’t done enough R & D on new planes. Their last new planes were the 787 & 777 and although both are brilliant planes, they need to be working on new designs to replace much loved existing models such as the 737 and 757. If they don’t the way things are going they will lose most of that biz to Airbus.
@@geraldcapon392 yes I agree with you. That’s why Boeing is losing to Airbus in the narrow bodies jets. But when it comes to wide bodies, Boeing are still leading.
@@Samguy55 agree totally.
Why can’t the A321neo/XLR be a replacement for the 757? Can someone please explain?
Range and capacity. LR/XLR has aux fuel tanks and in return, it can't carry as many passengers. if it wants to reach certain range. During winter and its headwind, the westbound flights from Europe to the US can be risky for fuel.
The 757 can take off from Las Vegas or Denver in 100° full of passengers, their luggage, and cargo. No sweat. The Airbuses cannot. They are not as powerful, strong, and capable. Close but not apples to apples
It's their decision . I mean SW only flies Boeing planes. It may be that they were able to get a better deal if they went all Airbus... I'm sure the same for SW. Probably got a better deal if they bought a bunch of 737's or X number of 737's per year using a blanket PO. At least for SW, this means that their fleet is pretty much standardized and nearly the same across all aircraft they fly (with variances in specific models of the 737). Some airlines buy whomever gives them the best deal, some stick with a single mfr, some have a mixed fleet because they bought other airlines over a period of time and acquired their fleets. Or in the case of some of the really budget airlines (the no-name ones, not Spirit or Frontier for example) they buy second hand jets from the big airlines after they decide to get rid of them, which could be 5-10 years.
I mean it would be the same if you were a truck fleet manager and you went to Ford and said "I want to buy 100 new Ford trucks" versus say 40 from Ford, 40 from Chevy and 20 Chrysler.
Alaska has always been an all Boeing airline until they get some A320 from the Virgin merger but they will get rid of them as soon as the lease contracts are done
@@HoolaaBaaloo I saw many an Alaska MD-80's fly in and out of LGB when I worked there in the late 80's.
@@The07RoadStar very true indeed
they don't need the 787, just buy the a330 neo
Why it’s not as good and doesn’t hold snot to the 787.
@@natural-born_pilot The 330neo is CHEAPER, HAS MORE RANGE, and IS MORE FUEL EFFICIENT than the boeing 787.
I don't understand why you would want an inferior aircraft, 787
@@Sanyu-Tumusiimesimply not true. The 787-9 flies slightly more passengers over a longer distance with less fuel and more cargo. So no, the A330-900 does not have more range and is not more fuel efficient. True is that it's cheaper for various reasons. They are close, but the 787 is the more capable airplane plus it's much more advanced. This clearly shows in the sales figures 787 vs A330neo.
@@widget787 the -800 has a range of 8,150 nmi (15,090 km; 9,380 mi) with 257 passengers
@@Sanyu-Tumusiime A330neo is cheaper than 787 and has efficiency just like 787 for shorter to medium haul, but not in long hauls. But considering A330neo didn't even have to be an all-new clean sheet plane to compete against the monstrous 787, i'd say A330neo is holding up pretty well
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I wont be surprised if their Boeing aircraft average age is 18+
Delta should delegate their existing fleet of B787-8 & A330-900 Neo to serving their medium - long haul domestic routes, including select flights to Canada . . . although Canada is an international destination . . . Delta's exhaustive B737-800, B737-900 ER & B737-MAX9 fleet is the backbone of this full service carrier . . . Delta needs to start retiring it's B777-200 ER & A330-300 fleet . . . and replace them with brand new B787-9, B787-10, A350-900, A350-900 ULR & A350-1000 HGW . . .
You don't know what you're talking about! Delta don't operate the 787 or 737-9, when Delta merged with Northwest, they inherited Northwest's 787 order but Delta later cancelled that order and went for the A330neo. Delta got rid of their 777 fleet in 2020.
Delta does not operate any 787s, 737max9 nor 8s and retired the 777s, the entire fleet in 2020
They backing the winning team
Boeing sold themselves to Southwest and turned the 737 into a ridiculous banana instead of coming up with a 757 replacement. The A321neo is as close as it gets.
Mums
Lol the airbus a320 is a ridiculous banana instead of going clean sheet
@@nickolliver3021..Even if they're developing a new wing for the platform?
Why did Boeing go for the 737 MAX instead of the NMA?
@@rbgerald2469 who is developing a new wing for the platform?
They went for the 737 max because airlines knew it was a reliable frame and a common fav. Why just give up on a frame that is strong to continue?
@@nickolliver3021 ..
"In 2015, Airbus started a new wing project, mostly named "Wing of Tomorrow" (WoT), announced as the "Wing of the future" programme in 2016. A new $1-2 billion carbon-composite wing could be used in the A321neo-plus-plus, compared to $15 billion for a completely new design. The new wing is made from composite material. It is first seen as an upgrade to the existing, mostly metal A320 family wing, which was already upgraded many times. Airbus has already composite wings on the A350, but this will be an enhanced, new design with highly automated manufacturing suitable for inexpensive high-volume production. Announced in January 2016, a €44.8 million facility was built in Filton, with 300 engineers. The new wing design and tests take place in this Filton facility. Other Airbus locations in the UK, France, Spain and Germany are working with 30 partners on this wing project.
In May 2021, Airbus announced that for improved aerodynamic performance the wing will be longer and thinner with folding wingtips to access existing airport gates. By May 2021, assembly of the first demonstrator was to start in the coming weeks, as the project should be completed by 2023 before an eventual product launch. A “radical” A320 makeover is expected to cost over 4 billion euros ($4.9 billion), significantly less than the estimates of $15 billion to $20 billion for an all-new Boeing design. Due to the increased length and increased lift, the new wings could also be used on an Airbus A322, an A321 lengthened by 4 passenger seat-rows, being studied by Airbus."
Boeing just cares about military contracts nowadays, their biggest rival is Lockheed Martin, not Airbus.
Boeing can't just make a 757-max/neo/whatever name you want to call it. At this point, it would be just as expensive to build a whole new plane ... without the whole new plane at the end
Delta hugely lie on Airbus beside Boeing because of the availability of options the gave to their customers. Boeing does not hugely care about their customers . They only wants their money to be on time . That's why Boeing faced huge problems and frustrating comments from airlines about their aircraft engine and electronical system problems . Delta does not wanted problems . So now delta have some good Boeing planes . Thanks to their not modern era ones . Such as 767,757 . The are now looking for a replacement and i think for the 767 the will choose the A321XLR . a replacement for the 757 ???... Would not be in 30 years .😂😂😂😂
airbus should create a wide body replacement for the 757 before boeing does
Airlines don't want a widebody to replace the 757, Airlines wants narrowbodies to replace their 757s, Airlines are going for the A321, American, Delta, United, Icelandair and others have all gone for the A321 to replace their 757s.
No airlines wants a widebody to replace the 757
I will not get on a 737 Max or it's variants even if the flight is free
Yet more evidence that Boeing laid an egg by not designing and building 757 and 767 replacements. A redesigned 757 MAX with the same fuselage dimensions as the 752 but with a greater wingspan and more efficient engines would have blown the A321XLR out of the water. A redesigned 767-8 similar to the 763ER in size and range would have filled the gap between the 757 and 788/A338.
What Boeing should have done is irrelevant. What Airbus has done is what is winning the day. Airbus's biggest problem right now is their lack of manufacturing capacity to meet the demand.
787 is the 767 replacement
@@danielmeador1991 The 787 is too large to be a true 767 replacement. It fills the gap between the 763 and 772.
@@janellek21 oh my it’s a 767 replacement it says so in my book and basically everywhere you look at when you look it up
@@danielmeador1991 Boeing deluded themselves into thinking it was a 767 replacement, just as they deluded themselves into thinking the MAX 10 is a 757 replacement.
Only plane can replace the B757 is other B757.
Airbus planes are superior when it comes to passenger comfort and fuel efficiencies. I was a Boeing fan boy but when I started to fly Delta frequently, I realized how much I was missing. A320 is wider and taller than B737... that bit of a difference means more width for each passenger. A330neo is also more fuel efficient than B787 for medium-haul regional missions. A350 is also more humid and quieter than B787 and B777x. When I started to practically live in airplanes, it became clear Airbus is superior. Delta is very smart with fleet decisions, so I am sure they will stay Airbus if they can.
An Airbutt dependent in disguise.
Airbus is indeed superior
@@natural-born_pilot I am an American, and own Boeing stock. I was purely speaking as a passenger, one that flies a lot, where I care about creature comfort. What I stated are backed by data... it's not just some subjective comments or interpretations.
Uh.... B777X isn't even in service yet.... so how you know it is more humid...?
@@stoje8405 Product and design specs... Uh.... you know the thing companies do before they actually build things...?
Are these guys not getting hassle from USA Government & Boeing
737 max and 777x problems are most likely to blame for Boeing 797 NMA. Once both of the problems have been solved, the best case scenario is that Boeing may develope the aircraft starting from 2028 onwards with it most likely launching sometime in the 2030s.
Add a couple more years, developing a clean sheet aircraft takes alot of time
Funny how someone who bakes scones for a living has the entire commercial aviation industry fully and completely figured out. The issue with the Max has absolutely nothing to do with it.
@@RLTtizME Um, are you referring to me?
@@_.tbx10 Eww.....ah....uh.....hmmmm.......ummmmmmm......no sweetie. Your handle would have appeared at the beginning of the replying comment if it was. No handle...then reply is to the original post above. Ummmm....this YT thang is complicated isn't it.
@@_.tbx10 btw....there is a $25 fine for using the worn and made up reference of "clean sheet design" which predominantly appears only in comments on this and related channels.
The 757 will continue to fly I will die on this hill it took covid for the Md-88/90 to be retired and delta was one of the last major airlines flying those, airlines still fly the 747. There's no reason why it wouldn't keep flying the 757. Plus nothing can touch its range, power, and cargo weight. The 737 Max 10 ya its nice but it has less range and its smaller. The 321neo yes it has range but it you cant load it like a 757 its again doesn't have the range or the cargo capacity. I work on 757, 737, and 321's and I'm telling you rn nothing stands close to that plane its still top dog, yes everything else is more fuel efficient and the 757 is a pig when it comes to fuel consumption but it makes it noticeably faster than the rest, screw efficiency we got to make that power and performance. I like the plane plus its soooooooo easy to load.
Delta should stay with Airbus and work with them to develop an XLR type for their needs
I'm seriously shocked 😲 that neither Airbus nor Boeing have committed to building a replacement for the A380 or the 75 and 767. I know Covid happened, but that shouldn't stop the design of large planes. Further more, both manufacturers are so behind in delivery with already placed orders, I wouldn't be surprised of a Chinese or Russian one on the market if this keeps up.
Click and bite headline.
Well I guess delta is no longer a USA airline
That decision will bring them a major market share for the US. Why? Simply because Boeing is failing on Quality on all their Aircraft types with massive delays on all Aircrafts from 737 via 787 to 777.
First airlines start to stuggle, as the new gen 777 should be delivered this year but has massiv delays. However, Airbus order books are filled up for the next decade. So other Airlines will not have a chance to get short term Aircrafts from Boeing.
Well done Delta!
Yea ahuh, Delta’s going to take it in the shorts with their Air Butt preference it’s down the line.
Yeah well done Delta For selling out your country I will never fly Delta
The old hats at Delta have been hesitant to buy any new Boeing planes for the last 15 years it seems.
The biggest isssue cited is the poor engineering occuring st Boeing. Delta would rather further stengthen its European ties and work over there for new planes.
This seems to have started back with the 787.
Idk why but I feel that delta should order the 787-8 and 9 for the 767 but nothings close to the 767
Boeing launches NMA = problem solved
No Boeing? *megamind meme*
I think we have to once and for all stop repeating the same thing over and over and accept that the 321XLR IS actually a 757 replacement and that's why many 757 operators are chosing the XLR.
It still doesn’t have the power or even the range that the 757 had. It’s close in capacity to the 757-200 but the 757-300 is still way bigger in capacity. The xlr isn’t a 757 but it’s the closest thing that exists.
@@DontUputThatEvilOnMeI mean the 757 has a range of 3,900 nm and the Xlr had 4,700nm. The XLR beats in range but not in power and runway performance which is right like you said
I don't get that Power Argument. Its flying just fine isn't it?
@@rulewski33 when we refer to power, we mean like how many pounds of thrust can it put out and more. When we say the 757 is powerful, we mean it’s engines are more powerful than the a321neo, lr and xlr.
Good f boeing ,🤣
Boeing is so dumb for not doing what Airbus is doing: NEO. They should have never stopped building the 757, for sure, as it is alone in its class. They should get that back going and offer newer, fuel efficient, engines.
At some point, airlines stopped ordering the 757s and the program became expensive. Not a dumb move if the program isnt getting any orders. Not to mention, re-engining the 757 would be WAY to expensive. New wings and an updated fuselage with have to made
@@_.tbx10found the Boeing fan
@@_.tbx10Good, call it the 757 Max and start pumping those things out. These airlines need a new work horse and sadly there isn't a plane that can do what the 757 can do. New engines, updated supercritical wings, bigger gas tanks and fuselage, should be standard for a 757 max.
@@mysterigx_ Sounds good on paper but still VERY expensive to develop and produce each 757 max
boeing is so dumb-enough said
Boeing is becoming like American auto makers building junk
Junk indeed..
tell that to Boeing
Unlike Boeing, who, for economic reasons, would have to start from scratch, it would be relatively easy for Airbus to modify the A320 airframe to create a true successor for the 757.
However, there is one major hurdle for both Boeing and Airbus. There is not a single suitable engine currently available to power one!
I dont even know if there is a firm timeline from any manufacturer to produce one.
Without a firm commitment from an aircraft manufacturer, I suspect that they may not even proceed. Unless that is, that one engine manufacturer wants to be in the position to corner the market when they are needed.
On the other hand, they risk their competition coming to market with a more advanced design if they complete their development too many years before there is any demand for those engines.
Do Boeing start development without the certainty of those engines?
They are already suffering because of the delays and issues with the engines for the much delayed 777x, delays which will inevitably eat into the time before it warrants its own upgrade or even replacement. This could significantly reduce the number of years production iver which to recover their development costs.
Even now, it looks if the 787 in its current form may barely recover its development costs if at all. They may even still be being recovered on an upgraded 787, which based on ususl model cycles could under normal circumstances be due at least an announcement.
Or, do they wait for the engines before starting the development, only to find that Airbus have something suitable many years before them.
Not only would Airbus have something to market much sooner because it would be based on a current design, but their development costs would be a fraction of those for a new design.
With the order book they have, along with the well documented supply issues, unless they feel the need to respond to any Boeing development, there is a reduced incentive for Airbus to proceed first, especially since they know that their development would take a fraction of the time to deliver than any design from Boeing could.
I think that history in the future will use the situation. Boeing now fund themselves in as support for the statement 'Failure to plan is planning to fail'!
I'd like this, but you are at 666 and I don't want to mess that up!
Sorry this is BS. Delta flys old planes. Thats how they achieve record profit. Paint, tape and bond glue is how they keep they're fleet running.
Delta flys old Airbus. Delta bought a few Neos. Lets see when Delta takes delivery of more than 20 new planes.
its a shame of Boeing, ilove airbus they are doing really good! but Boeing are are Sleeping
Stop sowing add we dont want it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boeing and all American manufacturers, U.S. lead the way which have been sandbagging their advantadge, experience because cheaper does not mean better.
so what there are several airlines that dont have airbus planes
you are like a little kid oh my dad is richer I am bigger etc ridiculous
Airbus 321 damuly can do 99% of the 757 missions at a fraction of the fuel cost.
Boeing has fallen behind in developing a new aircraft. Airbus is taking the lead and will continue to do so for years to come.
Just curious, how so? The XLR? Boeing could do that too if it stripped out most of the MTOW and added fuel tanks. That plane is a marketing plane and nothing more. It will be a miserable flying experience in 10+ hours in a small narrowbody. The loss of cargo space will take a large profit margin from airlines. There are some niche markets for it like the niche markets for the A380. There is not one aircraft family that Airbus has ever taken the lead in. The ONLY thing AIrbus has ever been historically first in was fly by wire. Airbus hasn't made a MoM 757 replacement either. The 757 was a very unique aircraft. And it wasn't just because of its size. Its design and engines made it the sports car of the sky. That isn't just a benefit for pilots, it allows it to operate heavy in high altitude and temp climates. There is nothing Airbus has that competes with that, nor with Boeing.
@@topgun9666Take off your Boeing blinkers and take note that
- the A321XLR is selling and Boeing doesn't have an aircraft to compete with it
- long range narrow body aircraft, such as the A321XLR, is the way of the future as they open up point to point services between destinations where larger wide body aircraft are not economical.
- fly by wire is not the only significant innovation introduced by Airbus. They were the first to introduce a twin engined wide body aircraft and did so in the 1970s.
- the A220 fills a segment of the market where Boeing does not have an offering.
- Airbus has already taken the lead in terms of orders with the A320 family outselling the B737 despite coming to the market much later than Boeing.
The Great Carnac.
But airbus is not developing any new aircraft either. The double standards are hilarious
@topgun9666 well said thank you.
Airbus also has no good alternative for the 757. The A321 sucks. The A321XLR looks so tiny. I’m not a fan. Delta should have ordered more 777’s instead of getting rid of them. Have no idea why Delta never ordered the 787. Who’s making these oddball decisions?
The had 787 on order 12 years ago then canceled them
No Boeing on Delta - My family is NOT GOING !
If it ain’t Boeing I ain’t going! Delta never cared much for Boeing and preferred Lockheed even though Boeing put them on the map. What’s loyalty among airlines? Nada!