I think it would be interesting to see Silver become an antagonist in the sense that as he continuously kept trying to change time he realized more and more how impossible it felt, loosing the hope he usually carries with him. Until he finds out about the Time Stones and attempts to change everything from the very beginning, essentially wiping the slate clean and it'll be up to Sonic and a younger/more hopeful Silver to put a stop to him before he causes too much damage to the time stream. Just a little idea but honestly amazing video and thanks for giving this lettuce head kid some much needed love. 😁👍👍
Thanks! Silver becoming a villain is something I've played around with a bunch, kinda hinted at it at 14:39 too. Him becoming super obsessed with fixing the past/future and playing god with the power he has. But Silver fighting a jaded, older version of himself from another timeline is an incredible angle as well, super intriguing to think about, very nice!
@@ALtheBoi agreed but I do feel like it would make more sense if it was Shadow and a younger Silver because they seem to have a closer bond than Sonic and Silver due to the whole mentor/student relationship between them as seen in 06, that and Shadow's immortal (he can't die of natural causes like age or disease) so I feel like that would be a good dynamic as well.
It should be Silver with his concept design that hails from alternative dimension where he is more serious won’t hesitate to hurt you if you stand in his way.
Ugh yes I love Shadow and Sliver working together. Their personality’s are so alike deep down, but different on the surface. I think they have a good balance for one another.
I like the idea of Silver creating a better future, living in it for a while... and then realising that he wants to make an EVEN BETTER future. He wants to give his new friends and family the best damn future imaginable, and with his previous "Sacrifice Everything For A Better Future" mentality, he doesn't realise that they don't have the same mentality. That'd be a good reason for a Future Shadow to come back and stop him, too - he doesn't think it's worth erasing the current Good Future and everyone in it, in favor of a Best Future.
About Silver's mentor being an immortal being from the past he travels to like Shadow, something like that was done in Archie. Mammoth Mogul was an immortal villain in the comic, but in Silver's future he was Silver's father figure and mentor that helped him figure out how to save the future. We don't know if this was an elaborate plan or he actually turned over a new leaf, but we wanted to see what would happen when Silver sees the past version of his mentor.
@@ALtheBoi archie had some of the best renditions of most characters. No shame in inadvertently doing the same thing! I loved this video btw. The timing and music were great and I enjoyed the content.
@@wannabehistorian371 No. They might've made a plot twist or something after Silver returned to the future when he was done with the Secret Freedom fighters, but sadly reboot.
@Ryun Chan In Archie canon, both Shadow and Mogul were established characters (Mogul actually came BEFORE Shadow but that's irrelevant) so I guess the writers just thought that role would fit the immortal god who's been around for millennia than the immortal teenage artificial hedgehog. And imo I agree, since that was able to revitalize the (relatively) unknown character, while Shadow has his own shit going on in the comics.
So, uh Shadow and Silver’s relationship is basically an introvert and the extrovert he accidentally attached himself to (That’s kinda hilarious when I think about it and I love it so much)
14:35 That transition gave me goose bumps! You're not only good at editing, you're also really damn good at scripting videos and putting value and excitement into the words you say!
What if the time eater was his villains or at least one of them. Everytime silver saves his future, the dystopian timeline he just fixed feeds the time eater and it makes another dystopia for him to fix thus making it an endless cycle. At least until silver brings the fight to the time eater itself
I would actually love a game with many alternate futures. Like we keep coming back to Crisis City and it's always very fundamentally different, but you can tell it's the same city. Key locations are always in the same place, even if you have to take a different path to get there. You can tell what's wrong with the place each time because you've been there so much it's familiar. Crisis City actually feels like home, just a home that's deeply, deeply in trouble. And over various timelines you start to get a picture of what it's actually SUPPOSED to look like. The "true" form of Crisis City. And as you go back and forth, finding clues in the future and solutions in the past, figuring out what to change and what to leave alone, it always feels closer and closer to that ideal. Sure it's always messed up in new and exciting ways, but there's little things that let you know it's getting close. Shadow being a major character that alternates between friend and foe would also be very fun, but he needs to be an anchoring presence. Like no matter how much Silver screwed up, even if Shadow feels he needs to stop Silver at all costs, Shadow will always have his head in the game, always respect his student, and always want the best for Silver, even if he can't agree with his actions. Ultimately Shadow as an enemy would still be a friend, just not an ally. It would hurt Shadow to have to stop Silver, but he would do what he has to. There may even be a version that wants to destroy the future in order to save Silver, just as there would likely be one that's the reverse. I feel like such a game would have to end with a partial victory. Sure Crisis City is fixed, at least for the most part, but there's still more and more time and future for Silver to fix. He continually expands his horizons, building off of his past successes. This way he can still win AND have more that he needs to do for future games. Like he comes back and Crisis City is fine, but now he's worried about an entirely different problem.
It could work like a Metroidvania but you switch between timelines whenever one is more convenient Like say there’s a water-gate blocking the way, so you swap to the timeline where the whole place is a desert same location and all, just with different circumstances
The Time Stone collecting idea is brilliant - it could also double as a way for us to see each unique bad future through gameplay. Like, the first half of any Silver campaign takes place in that bad future with each level culminating in a Time Stone acquisition. Then he gets back to the past and the second half is him working with Sonic and the others to fix it.
While I mostly agree with what you said here, there is one problem I have that IMO is being overlooked. That by having Silver's future always be some type of doomed regardless of what happens it renders Sonic's actions moot. However, your villain idea actually can fix this problem and there is one character that is perfectly suited for the task, Dr. Nega/Eggman Nega. While at first Nega was Eggman's counterpart to Blaze, it was retconed later that Dr. Nega is a time traveler much like Silver, who hates his ancestor for ruining their family's reputation. So my idea is that while Silver is able to fix the future, only for Dr. Nega to try or succeed in screwing everything up again.
See I've actually thought about that 🤔 I believe that whatever sonic does in his own lifetime is everything he would've wanted and wouldn't take away from his legendary status if the world happens to be destroyed a couple of decades after his death from an unrelated source Now obviously we're dealing with different timelines here so everything is fair game, including your very valid thought proccess!
@@ALtheBoi Thanks! You're right Silver's future could indeed be more far into the future then I thought. It brings a sad irony into the situation, hes traveling too far into the past.
Maybe the time stone can each represent something Red- Time of Rage L.Blue- Time of Hope D.Blue- Time of Sorrow Purple: Time of Past Yellow-Time of Future Orange- Time of Present White- Time of Creation Black- Time of Destruction Black being the extra Stone that causes Silver's ability to travel at will than usual time stones being set path but lets Silver travel to a lose time.
I actually really like that! Maybe Silver's feelings at the moments while using the time stones has an affect on its effects. Maybe it misfires and sends him too far back, or not far enough, or straight up shoot him into another timeline.
Amazing work! I already mentioned a little bit of my thinking for Shadow and Silver on your Shadow video, but this is awesome. I love the idea of the huggable cinnamon roll teaming up and learning with and from the stoic bad ass. It's a new take, it's interesting, and as you said, it could result in some amazing stories. Especially since Shadow is immortal, as long as he survives, he can always mentor Silver in the future. In fact, if Silver goes to his time again and finds Shadow dead, after being mentored by him post 06, that might distress Silver enough to go back and try again. Even if the future seems... okay-ish other than missing Shadow. He is the kind of guy that just might risk that to save his mentor.
Firstly, I just wanna say, I LOVE the ideas you brought up here, bringing back the time stones is an amazing way to keep a lock on the time travel abilities while still keeping it familiar to fans who know about them and the idea for the different types of futures being able to mess with Silver in different ways and Shadow also getting involved is just amazing too God, you just deserve every amount of praise you get given Anyway, I have a few little ideas for stuffs so I’ll mention them here Ideas: Amy: I think you mentioned this before but Amy should be more of a leader, someone who is good at leading others while still liking Sonic but not to an extreme extent. Maybe make her leadership and drive to help others a way for her to try to impress her hero After all, Sonic saved her from Little Planet, so it would make sense for her to want to be like him, so to impress him and to show him that she’s worth his attention she tries to be a good hero but tension could rise if Sonic ignores her efforts possibly leading her to take things into her own hands. She could try to stop the villain on her own. The Chaotix: For Espio, Vector and Charmey, I’d honestly like to see them as people that look into what Eggman is doing to see if they can catch him planning something, they would be paid by the government since after the stuff Eggman has pulled off they’d probably want him to be checked on to make sure shit doesn’t happen. Professor Pickle: He is our lord and saviour and he is perfection *Change nothing about him* Eggman: Just make him like the Sonic Unleashed intro Or THAT scene in SA2... you know the one Those scenes got so much right Just make him an big threat, give him some presence, no more of this powerful sidekick stuff or god betrayal and no more of the stupid jokes that paint him out to not be a threat He’s the main villain, so make him like one Blaze: While Shadow is Silver’s mentor, Blaze could be his closest friend, after all, she is the one that’s suffered through the shit Silver’s dealt with alongside him so she would have a grasp on how he feels and would be able to help him when he gets mentally bad Now... I know Blaze did die at the end of 06 so... Perhaps they could center something around Silver trying to bring Blaze back to life with his time travelling, he has to collect the time stones from his time, go back and do everything he can to prevent Blaze from dying while still trying to save his future, now more knowledgeable about the truth ....y’know, now that I think about it this centers more on Silver but that’s because Blaze could make his character work better Big and Froggy: Now, I know these two have some... history surrounding them, so I have to be really careful with what I say here so... Here goes... Lets make Big the Cat An assassin He wears a suit and shades, he carries around guns in both hands and smokes weed while shooting fuckers Froggy is the one that tells Big who he’s supposed to eliminate and Big goes and does it Like the badass he is The game he’s in revolves around the struggling relationship between Big and Froggy, where Big wants to quit the line of work they’re in to go back to fishing but Froggy ain’t having any of that shit, so Froggy sends assassins to go kill Big, but Big fights through them to speak face to face with Froggy... How did I come up with this XD
Yuti good ideas also big the assassin...😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 also I don’t think big idea will work as well as intended considering sonic is target towards older and younger audiences but it’s still not a bad idea.
Thank you so much! alright, let's see... Amy: that is the exact direction i'm taking Amy. growing out of her fan-girl phase while still having her crush on sonic. that'll make her less annoying And sonic doesn't get sexually assaulted every other day, win-win. i think they've been doing that ever since Lost World. but then she's left with nothing. The Chaotix: the problem with these guys stems from the fact that they're usually involved, but not involved enough, they're just there. definitely need to amp up the detective agency situation. Professor Pickle: you can't fix God, next. Eggman: yeah pretty much, i think Mike Pollock carries Eggman too well for him to be a bad character, the only problem is what you just said, he's not evil enough Blaze: i didn't say anything about her in this video, because i think TSR handled their relationship pretty well, it just need a little more polish to be perfect. and i don't think we need to worry about blaze in '06, they kinda swept her under the rug and continued on with her Rush canon. Big: aaaaand you turned big into florida man, great.
@@ALtheBoi Forgive me my bad english, but Amy is one of my favorite characters. I want to say my opinion on her here, because I like this idea in comment and there is no video about her on this channel (yet ) . I love her and I know, that she has her crazy moments and she can be veeeeeery anoying. But I think she has a personality besides just loving guy and stuff around him. Sega just don´t show it, cause Sonic treating Amy like a garbage when she harass him is supposed to be „funny“ or something.... I hate it. It´s kinda Knuckles situation. But still I love her. She is extreamly releateble to young girls. The most of girls in her age are like that. They love romance, are instantly talking and thinking about boys, planing and dreaming about marriege, they are in love with boy idols. On top of that, she is optimistic extrovert... and i don´t know, just starting puberty or something. This all is ... all right in some point. I mean she is pink and girlish, we know, we get it, she is A GIRL among the main characters... so mainly kids can releate. She do not represents Sonic´s raw and rude teenage energy. She was a little innocent girl. But now? Now... she just fills holes in story. Like you need someone to take charge in background, because the story has complicated environment and Sonic needs to be hero - Amy. Don´t get me wrong, I like this idea. I want her to be more independent and useful. But not like sidekick character who just solves problems and helps behind the scenes! Amy is good character. Very honest, helpful, social, energetic and open-minded. She is so adorabl, cute and so good with people! Even when she´s not doing hero stuff, she helps heroes, she remainds them why they are fighting. It´s saying a lot- you don´t have to be strong and special to help, just be kind to people and listen to them. And when she starts fighting, oh god, she has a BIG hammer! Come on! She is a hedgehog, this little girl is a heavy hitter and very strong, she can keep up (at least a little) with sonic, she is very smart and clever, has great sense of justice. And I love how playfull and teasing she can be sometimes. Amy has the bigest determination of all the characters. She always gets what she wants, it´s in her mindset (but not in mean way). So... this girl grew up over time. And I want her to grow even more. I love idea of having own boss fights... or at least decent women rival! It could be also great example for young girls. Just look at Amy and iconic Sonic-Shadow-Silver trio. We see that hedgehogs get all special teratment, but she doesn´t get a shit :D Only her thing are tarot cards and her „intuision“ (and i like it, but no game really use this propertly ). She´s not so strong yet, but can be. Even Sonic is afraid of her temper sometimes. And her fighting is very reckless but can get better like another improvement. Also Amy is already faster then she was in classic games. This hedgehog just has so many underated and forgoten abilities, plus she is pushing herself so far beyond her limits. Like no one in games. Mainly because of Sonic. So imagine what can Amy do for world as another hero like Sonic, Shadow and Silver are. However... She can't even go super or at least fight like my 3 hedgy boys. It's so sad compare her to them. And you know, it´s very good example, not only for girls, but for everyone - it doesn´t metter if you weren´t born with talent or special abilities, when you have more determination than people around you. You can work hard and succeed. Be better person. It´s so real. I realy want her to drop that crush or just hide it. But show her unconditional love more to friends instead and to the world like a real hero! That´s all. I hope you uderstand that :D Thanks for reading my opinion. I hope you will make a video about her, cause I love your content!
Lucy Willow This is Great! some of the things you said really struck a chord with me and gave me some ideas, it'll definitely make it into the video, if that's alright with you of course.
I kind of like Silver as a less serious comedic character. Idk, with Blaze seemingly a lot more grounded and serious, Silver being this innocent, hopeful, naïve idiot feels like it'd be fun. Blaze can be serious and perhaps more of a realist and less hopeful, but she goes along with Silver and his extravagant ideas for a better outcome because she doesn't want him to lose that innocence. Other things, Sonic is being competitive, cocky, and snarky, Shadow is being competitive, serious, and a hard-ass, Silver is just happy to be there. Amy and Silver just hanging out enjoying themselves, maybe being as naïve as you can get, but they have such a child spirit glow in their eyes. I can see Amy taking Silver to go shopping for no other reason than just cause. Silver is one of my favorite characters, my most favorite being eggman, and it's sad he's shat on because 06 was a travesty of cataclysmic proportions, but I'd really wish Sega would give him a better chance and also just better writing in general, make him the most innocent of the hedgehogs, I think we need someone more happy-go-lucky and sweet to bounce off of uh...what ever the fuck Shadow is these days, and Sonic who's more laid back but also incredibly cocky, just a nice breath of fresh air for a character. This adorably innocent, hopeful, naïve nincompoop who gets wide eyed at childish things from the past and is best friends with Amy cause they can connect somewhat on that level, all while Blaze is just there happy that Silver is happy and has a childish spirit despite of the terrible things they've been through and seen together in the future. A fun character, and a beautiful friendship with someone who'd otherwise see them as a child not worth their time. Idk I just kind of want more innocent and sweet characters since a lot of the sonic games these days feel overly serious, and sonic's personality kind of gets old for me at times, more so eye-rolling, and shadow is...well kind of shitty, ruined to all hell after Adventure 2, the only one who seems to never get old and stay loveable and fun to see everywhere is Eggman, Tails was ruined and turned into a bitch after his development in adventure 1, Amy while I like her as Silver's friend, is all over the place with obsession of sonic to...Boom..., Knuckles is great but boom turned him into a dipshit, and all the games seem to just...forget he's this bad ass who is meant to be protecting a VERY IMPORTANT artifact that HOUSES A FUCKING CHAOTIC GOD.
I do really like Silver's dynamic with Shadow in 06, but I should point out Shadow took him under partly out of obligation and needing him to know the truth because he saw Silver was misguided. That said, it does seem he was impressed by Silver's techniques, but I should probably look more into the scripts for the game, and see details to be more certain about what was going on.
Ah yes, this is what I've been looking for, you gave the perfect idea for a good silver plot Maybe I could be the person to start work on a silver the hedgehog game, once I empty my plate of course
The fact I did not find these videos sooner is upsetting. I got the Eggman video recommended to me and I thoroughly enjoy your takes on these characters. Keep up that good shit
14:31 is really ironic since Shadow would probably play a role like Future Gohan, just like how Trunks is said to be an inspiration for the creation of Silver.
You could also have it be that every time Silver saves the past he ceases to exist, as that version of Silver didn't happen anymore. The new future has a new Silver who meets Sonic slightly further down the timeline at the next potenially apocalyptic event (i.e. the next Sonic game)
See i think that’s what the canon games are actually going for. Not exactly sure where, but a couple of interviews stated that every time we see Silver, he’s a new Silver from another timeline...? Which like doesn’t make sense in thei context because Silver clearly knows and acknowledges the cast as friends he knows for a while. Ignoring that, it makes sense, it makes the most sense out of everything else we can do. But my main problem with this comes from the fact that Silver wouldn’t be able to develop as a character. Every adventure he completes, he resets and has to meet the cast all over again. I think this is why the fanbase collectively agrees that Silver operates outside of time, like he fucked around with time so much it doesn’t affect him no more.
I used to read the few, disjointed, random Sonic the Hedgehog comics my library had, and lemmi tell ya I instantly loved Silver. He was portrayed as this mysterious, powerful, wise old dude from Somewhere (I didn’t learn till years later that he came from the future bc I apparently didn’t have access to the comic that explained that, if such a comic exists) but I knew, I knew as soon as I saw this child that he was an awkward, viciously hopeful, out-of-his-depth used to be paragon who had ZERO idea how anything worked bc he came from goodness knows where with a completely different set of rules and physics and social norms. Little ND me immediately latched onto him as a fellow alien. Plus he’s white and gold, and that made him cool I guess XD
I think, for a potential Silver the Hedgehog game, the Time Stones could make for an interesting plot point. By the way, I wrote this when I was only halfway through the video. Imagine that one day, in the doomed (or maybe undoomed) future, Silver comes across a few time rifts, and uses them to combat threats in the past, maybe some that can time travel. Maybe he discovers the dark timeline where Eggman has won, and this Eggman is supplying Eggman from the other timelines with materials and robots with which to try and take over the world (This could explain why Eggman never seems to run out of robots). Silver could travel to different points in history acting as different stages, with the future acting as the hubworld. And, as the story progresses, the hubworld future can switch between doomed and undoomed. There could also be a new Robot doppelganger built by the dark timeline's Eggman that pursues Silver (could be called Metal Silver or Cold Silver?), and he has one of the time stones built into himself. This doppelganger would be like a reverse of the Terminator, in that it is sent from the past to kill someone in the future. Also, the Time Stones exist as only one set spread across all the timelines. Each time stone can unlock special abilities. The true ending is unlocked when all time stones are collected, and Silver becomes like a Time Lord; maybe he is revealed to have been responsible for creating the time rifts at the beginning of the game. How does that sound?
Also, I had this idea where Silver travels back to a point when Project Shadow is still online; maybe Silver temporarily recruits a younger version of Shadow from before that incident to combat a threat in the past?
its kind of crazy that the only one that cant cleanly fit their own set of emeralds when it comes to people who can use them directly is shadow himself. Honestly kinda funny thats the case. It rubs salt in the wound that hes the only synthetic one out of... four? five characters? that he doesnt even have a set he can really call his own and has to get a loan from someone probably already on the way to saving the day, id be a mad little shit too.
Dunno if its been mentioned but Knuckles is also described as believing people are generally good. He still doesn't like trespassers and prefers solitude.
Fun Fact: in the old Archie Sonic comics Silver actually did have an immortal mentor (a comic-original character) and also did use the Time Stones (one of them at least) to travel to the past!
My dream idea is a game where Silver is like a mentor figure who test Shadow and Sonic every-time hell breaks loose on those two he tries somewhere somehow to cure their mental state
Sure the future may be doomed but that doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed. That’s Sliver’s Achilles Heel. He always tries to turn back the clock and try again, never stopping to consider continuing from where he is. Maybe collecting all the Time Stones in Sliver’s hypothetical game, leads him to Shadow and he asks what is he back for, and when Sliver replies he’s here to fix the past, Shadow says he hasn’t been able to save it the other times so why does he think it will work now? After a bit of arguing Sliver realizes that no matter how many times he comes back it won’t change anything, it’s no use. So he hops back in the portal and confronts the evil head on and wins. The complete anthesis to Sonic CD’s use of the Time Stones to change the past.
So the "short tempered and bossy" came from his characterization in the rivals games. I really don't think the Rivals games handled his character well, and gave him even more negative perception than 06(Even though I think 06 Silver is the best Silver a lot of people overlooked his character just because of mephiles)
I propose that Silver should become college student for history, it would explain why he comes back all the time. And the series would encourage children to stay in school.
I don't think "brave" would be the word to describe someone who became used to destrution and terror. For you to be brave, you have to overcome fear, if you grew acostumed to fear to the point that you don't feel it anymore, how could you be brave? 🤔
I've made an entire idea of retelling the Sonic franchise as 1 cohesive story. 14:35 The element of the time stones were something I felt like was overlooked so I implemented them into my story in Mania (now in the past instead of another dimension), Shadow the Hedgehog (game), 06, & have it be the main focus of Generations (Classic Sonic is from CD, which takes place after Sonic 2 & since the retcon of 06, Silver will be fully reintroduced into Generations. However having him remember everything from 06 & trying to reach Sonic by appearing the Black Knight)
I'm glad there's people who can see the potential with Silver's character. When you mentioned Silver being an extrovert (like Sonic), and Knuckles being an introvert, it gave me some ideas regarding Silver's relationships with 2 male characters. You also mentioned Silver having his own "Shadow", which forms a "mentor/student" bond. With that being said, I have a question to ask... This is just theoretical, but if Silver had a boyfriend, who do you believe he should be paired up with? As for why I said "boyfriend", that's because Silver's theme (Dreams of an Absolution) is a gay romance song. The singer (Bentley Jones) made a video explaining the origin of that song. The word "absolution" means to atone, forgive, or repent. Overall, Silver's theme mainly revolves around redemption. Here's my romance ideas for Silver (Sonic and Shadow are the most popular ships with Silver)... Shadow and Silver: An immortal being from the past, and a time traveller from the future. A hero of darkness and a hero of light. They're basically yin and yang. There's two things that they have in common. Both of them lost a female companion (Maria for Shadow/Blaze for Silver) that was like a sister to them, and both got manipulated by creepy villains (Black Doom for Shadow/Mephiles for Silver) but eventually saw the light. Sonic and Silver: A cocky, cool teen filled with confidence and a dorky, humble teen that's inexperienced. Since Silver comes from a ruined future, Sonic can take him around the world and can show him the beauty of the present. Silver would enjoy going to Twinkle Park with Sonic, considering they both visited an amusement park once. Silver could even help Sonic get over his fear of water (Sonic's the only hedgehog that's not capable of swimming). As for who I would ship Silver with, I'd pick Shadow. He's the perfect, ideal boyfriend for him (Sonic is a secondary option for Silver) Though, I'd like to hear your opinion on which male character Silver should date...
Now i’m not a shipper, so I’m probably the last person you would want an opinion on this. The only characters i “ship” are the ones that already have official romantic chemistry. Knuckles and Rouge, Vanilla and Vector, Tangle and Whisper, those kinda pairs. But if i HAD to add anything, I gotta say that I personally don’t see any of the main hedgehogs as romantic types. Sonic is a free spirit who wouldn’t be bound down to anything, a relationship isn’t really his thing, that’s why I headcanon that he’s Aromantic. In the main canon that is. Shadow, is immortal, he wouldn’t want to get with anyone because he’s doomed to outlive everyone, and him being an artificially made being, I don’t see why Gerald would make him *to* be able to fall in love. He can experience deep connections and friendships, (Maria and his friends) but an actual romantic relationship? I don’t see that, personally. And for Silver, i have no idea. I just don’t think he’s even ready *or* willing to get in a relationship, too focused on his goal. Yup, i’m not the best shipper lol
@@ALtheBoi When Silver's future isn't doomed by a random threat and everything's peaceful, only then can he make time for romance. Ever since I saw that video from Bentley Jones, it made me more curious to explore Silver's sexuality. What you said about Shadow helping Silver with his insecurities really touched my heart.
02:50 exactly I felt like silver could've been a recurring character, but only in the Steins;gate type scenario. Where any attempts to change the past are subverted and you end up in the same place, until you can manage to somehow escape the timeline cluster you're in. Of course, that would mean he'd end up with a final goodbye (if we assume most/all the mainline games are canon, meaning not the DS/3ds versions etc) and that means giving up a marketable design owie ouch. This is part of my dislike for forces, it feels incredibly derivative and like every character ever had to be there but flanderized.
Ay man this series was awesome, just binged everything that is already out If I had to add anything, maybe using the Time Stones to justify Silver still existing? I mean, considering he altered the past, so the future is different, unless the timeline has some fixed points, like soulmates and stuff, the probability of Silver still existing in the new timeline is pretty little I know as much about how time works as your average person, so I don't know if that would actually erase him, but if it would, maybe he used the Time Stones to like, shove himself back into the timeline? I think it was Sonic The Comic Online that I saw do that, but I don't remember
Thank my man I appreciate it! Also that’s a great explanation for Silver’s immunity to time fuckery. Almost everyone in the fanbase already agrees that Silver is not affected by time, but they always chalk that up to him being immune just because he time travels so much, myself included. But *This* will definitely be my go-to explanation from now on, i’m gonna bring that up in the future with your name on it! Could also introduce a plot-point about how it’s dangerous to time travel without the stones, you won’t have your immunity anymore, better be careful with your steps then kid.
@@ALtheBoi hey dude, thanks for replying, do check Sonic The Comic Online tho, I shouldn't take credit for an idea that wasn't mine and I'm pretty sure I saw it there
You need to (more like should) work for SEGA (or even better, become SEGA’s boss)! I see something in your words and ideas that acts like Midas’s touch, but in a good way! This may sound weird but, I think most of the sonic games should be re-written with your ideas as a guide (obviously only if everyone else agrees). Edit: I think I went too far…
Dude! I want this! Mabe sega can do a spin off co ic with a si.iler concept to see if it could work snd the WHEN it does make it cannon! I hate sonic 06 but love silver.
I would argue that silver's "never give up " attitude is more than just "hope" but also comes from a sort of anger and frustration desiring to change the world with a tenacious defiance rather than just bright eyed hopeful optimism .
It’s definitely not as surface level as “He’s just Hopeful”, you’re right. What I was trying to get at was that, in essence, Silver’s persistence to make a good difference in the world and not giving up at any corner comes from the fact that he never lets go of hope.
I would argue that silver's "never give up " attitude is more than just "hope" but also comes from a sort of anger and frustration desiring to change the world with a tenacious defiance "never give up" infantine futures infonaut possibilities in one future there could easily be one reality that is a constant rick roll you can never escape and haunts his dreams at night. everything else is fine and normal though, it's just that dreaded song he will escape at any cost, he makes the whole sonic team go through hell and back just to rewrite the future back to that "pretty desert" from before, er.. after? whatever, you get what im saying though don't you?
I always thought the best way to deal with Silver as a character is to trap him in the past. He time travels one to many times, changes the future one too many times and creates a future without him. He's displaced beyond time itself, lost to a future he'll never be able to experience and trapped in the past where he, hopefully believes, he can make a difference and form a new life. Instead of bouncing him around, leave him stuck in the past, where the future he's from no longer exists and he can't go back to said future either.
I totally agree! I like to think that Silver being stuck in the past could symbolise the idea that you can't worry about what the future holds and you need to simply live in the present. Only with Silver, it's literal!
I like this idea, a lot, though i've definitely thought of it in a slightly different way, lol My idea of keeping Silver in the past is that, at some point (a 'playable' event, yknow, plot was *could* be turned into a game just by the fact that it's important), he realizes that him constantly returning to his future is what's *causing* his future to be a disaster. So the only way for him to save the future is to remain in the past, help around, be of assistance where he can. I also just find it sad that, in this case, Silver could never see a safe future because leaving is what causes the future's doom- it would be a learning opportunity for him too. That he's not enjoying his life, going back and forth, watching the demise of his future repeatedly. And i can see it being a point of struggle, he *wants* to go make sure the future is okay, but he shouldn't, he should worry about the present and enjoy himself a bit. This is definitely more hurt/comfort territory than what i initially thought it was going to be but Mentor Shadow softened me up. Besides, i want Silver to be happy, but his optimism is being put to the test with this- lol Anyways- i was just rambling..
I freaking love Silver’s character. He has so much unused potential it’s saddening. He’s probably my absolute favorite Sonic character period, especially in the comics because they portrayed his story very well. 💜
It's kinda weird how everyone complains about his character in 2006 yet in the other games He's way worse. Great video man, I was waiting for this for so long
Yeah. He was introduced from a very terrible game, but showed a lot about him. He’s just a place holder nowadays. But no matter what people is just gonna say “06 bad”. But you’re right he’s even worse now.
That’s also a great idea, maybe he’s tackling the problem from another angle. “Maybe the reason i keep coming back is because I’m supposed to be here in the first place, so i’m gonna stay here for while”
Maybe he's afraid of going back to the future just to see it destroyed. After all he has nothing left, blaze is dead and nature is destroyed. He could go through his own arc and face his fear and have hope again for the future. It would humanize him a lot. Can you imagine being born in a hellish earth and be able to go go back in time would you really want to go back to the future again?
"Yall remember the time stones?" *Jamming intensifies* Also; YES, HOW DID SEGA FORGET THAT THEY LITERALLY HAVE MAGICAL GEMS FOR TIME TRAVEL EVEN THOUGH TIME TRAVEL IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN MULTIPLE OF THEY'RE GAMES
I didn't even think Silver needed much fixing, but this video definitely opened my eyes a bit. I hope and pray that at some point down the line, Sonic Team learns from the literal DECADE of cosntant mistakes and find a way to use the side characters they have for proper roles. Silver has SO much potential, and I don't think we'll ever have a character like him in the franchise ever again at this point, he's too good of a plot magnet to pass up! This does make me VERY interested in what you plan on doing for Blaze, Cream and Amy down the line. It's super sad how most of the girls in the franchise have been so underutalized in the games. Well, Cream's a exception at least, she's literally a kid with little adventuring experience.
@@TornaitSuperBird Honestly I completely forgot about Marine at the time, but she's only been in one game so I doubt Al here would make a video on her any time soon 😅
Less serious, but I just wish we could see his charming, adorable naivete in casual circumstances more often. It's like how Sonic tried to trash talk with him in TSR, but it went over Silver's head because he's just a genuine, endearing 14-year-old kid who's been too busy saving the world to learn how to talk to people. If he gets to be a main character more often (and he should), moments like that should pop up more often either before a game like that or sprinkled in a healthy amount during said game. He works much better as a character if the audience finds him endearing. It's a good way of reinforcing Blaze's repeated description of him as "naive." More showing to enhance the telling, you know? Sorry, I just love this kid. I really do.
Sonic is a character who takes almost nothing seriously, Shadow is a character who takes almost everything seriously. It makes sense for Silver to be in the middle, he's super serious in a serious situation, but if there are no stakes he shows his true dorky self.
HC: after silver tried gardening (from the sonic the hedgehog IDW 2019 anniversary short) he got really into it and has a little garden in the future in the only place that can grow plants
What if Silver was a guardian of multiple futures or something... like Silver's constant unexplained returns could be like Silver joined a DBZ Xenoverse style Time Patrol, and every time a possible future where the world is screwed shows up, Silver's job is to help Sonic prevent it... it would give Silver a reason to keep coming back, give his character purpose, and with the alternate timeline things that a Sonic Time Patrol could bring... could explain the existence of The Modern and Mania timelines... maybe relate it to Generations and Eggman's Time Eater stunt causing lots of timelines to result in the creation of a Time Patrol. Hmmm.... I mean Sega compared him to Trunks anyway..m might as well use it to enhance Silver as a character, but keep his personality different than Trunks because Silver is his own Hedgehog damn it!
See if I understand correctly, so silver can spot at which point of time the future gets ruined if he Wouldn’t have showed up. So his futures are automatically saved because the past (future) version of him already took care of it? Scientifically speaking, That actually makes more sense than my “Doomed Future” concept.
How about if Silver is always stuck a solid amount of time away from a world calamity event, that's always enough time to prevent it, be it by Iblis or by whatever destiny that caused Iblis. He could be born from a classic time paradox, where he teleported his body with psychic powers into the year +200, but that actually happened the moment he warped back in time and foresaw the future using those psychic powers. Now he's locked permanently in enough time to prevent the calamity, and if he slacks off he gets pushed back further in time, and because that makes him disappear we know all he was able to do in the past was get back to his original creation event. But if he gains power, he can prevent the calamity faster and doesn't get time slipped. If sonic prevents calamity for him, he doesn't get time slipped. But the calamity is always only stalled enough so that it's that same solid amount of time away, not prevented. This would bring constant tension to Silver's existence, and grounds him as really from this time but also from the future. If he gains the time emeralds but uses them wrong, is he blowing his chance to prevent the calamity? If he spends up his normal psychic powers? If he's holding the time stones and is able to whoop solaris in 5 minutes, is the calamity creeping to happen only 5 minutes from now and risking the life of Sonic et al in the process? Silver's existence becomes defined as trusting himself and trusting his friends to always go forwards and be ready to fight the calamity whenever it comes. And if he's just spending time with his friends and not getting slipped back in time, he knows they are working together to create a world were the calamity isn't happening soon. That's a bit of a combination I compromized from both of your ideas. Funnily enough one where the multiverse is crucially relevant, because the calamity is from whichever future timeline makes it possible when other lines fail it, it's that kind of pervasive evil that creates the past that causes it to happen so it can erase the past and glue both ends of time together at the point of its own victory. Blaze could have a similar origin story but one that goes between dimensions instead of time. That's why both were there at Iblis event, and why Silver is from only a single moment in time but Blaze is from a whole separate universe. That could also be why a flame is such a universal symbol of world creation and destruction.
That’s also pretty great, well done! An idea sparked in my head while reading your concept, it’s basically an amalgamation of all of our ideas, at a much smaller scale. what if at some point, silver tries to get creative with his time travel, but his experiment backfires, And he gets stuck in a short time loop (1 to 10 hours maybe) that always ends up with him dying if some Very specific routes and actions are not took. Every time he dies he gets weaker tho, so he has to break the loop before he DIES dies. We could take his psychokinesis away too, the time loop messed up his powers or something. make him more vulnerable. It’s nothing original but i think it would be fun to explore in a short film/game or something idk.
I was a big fan of "Ghosts of The Future" and I think that would be a good template for a potential Silver spinoff. It would be an older version of Shadow training a rookie version of Silver to be a hero of his era. that could be tweaked for your "Doomed Future" concept. Silver returns to the future but doesn't recognize it so Shadow has to fill him in on what went wrong.
Definitely, imagine shadow still working for gun in 200 years and having the highest rank possible. And not only shadow, shouldn’t sonic be a legend in his time? What happens that causes silver not to recognize him? These would be really fun to explore.
AL The Boi yeah I agree, Sonic is the definitive hero of the world, and it’s not a secret or anything. In adventure 2, they literally say the world renowned hero, Sonic the Hedgehog.
@@ALtheBoi I could see Shadow as a sort of Gohan to Silver's Trunks, being a mentor figure who has been there, done that, and has to consistently cope with the fact that this god damn hedgehog he met once in the past, er, present, keeps showing up over and over.
As a massive Silver fan, lemme say that this is definitely the best Silver video I’ve seen by far !! You broke down his character So well and understand his personality to a tee !! I’ve been saying the mentor/student dynamic with Shadow for a Lo n g time so to see it in this vid?? I just about squealed !!! SO many great thoughts and ideas in such an amazing video, I shed TEARS !!! Bless your soul omg ;;꒳ ;; 🙌🏽🙌🏽💙💚✨ Keep it up dude ‼︎‼︎
@@ALtheBoi Of COURSE oml, I literally have to come back every now and then just to hear how much you popped off oml (definitely didn't just do that right now lololol o//w//o) !
The transition in 14:34 is phenomenal the pacing, music beats, and timed recording is..... phenomenal also this is my 4th time watching this video again YOU ARE UNDERATTED and why don't you at least have 10k subs man like wow you are amazing!!!!!!
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The idea of Silver coming back to the past over and over because every time he returns to the future its just as bad as before is extremely tragic, but also extremely compelling! It would also explain why he would be more willing to stick around for the spin-off games, since the present day is so much better than his cursed future, of course he'd keep coming back.
Finnally someone else who thinks the timestones should be part of silvers story. I mean the macguffins that are a time travel use and the time travler from the future, how more obvious can you get.
I'm honoured you mentioned one of my previous comments in the intro about Team Sonic. Thank you. Onto Silver himself, I always found him to be this sweet and naive cinnamon roll I just want to hug and help improve his situation by being a friend. And I never noticed that difference with him and Knuckles or similarity with him and Sonic before: Knuckles being introverted but Silver being extroverted, and Silver and Sonic expressing it in different ways. Now I think about it, it would be cool if Silver, Sonic, Shadow and Knuckles all interact together: two extroverts (Sonic and Silver) and two introverts (Knuckles and Shadow), especially with the respect angle for Sonic/Shadow, rival angle for Shadow/Knuckles, and mentor student angle for Shadow/Silver. And the whole thing with Shadow being a mentor to Silver is very poetic considering that Silver was close to going down the same path Shadow did. They just click and I love that. And sidenote about the tier list, I'm really interested in developing a few of those B and C characters further: Rouge and Cream specifically. The stuff you said about Rouge in the Shadow video really hit close to my heart, and I've always loved the soft spoken and bubbly Cream. Maybe she could be an apprentice to Tikal and Knuckles in learning how to take care of the Chao.
My best guess as to why silver's future suddenly becomes bad in forces is that maybe the phantom ruby showing up from mania messed things up since it wasn't supposed to be in the modern dimension. Maybe it was what caused to timeline to suddenly derail?
I think that's the canon explanation. The Phantom Ruby showed up out of nowhere in the Classic timeline, then it teleported to the modern timeline and was found by Eggman. Since the ruby just randomly inserted itself itself into a timeline, the future was changed. The question is, how does Silver even realize the future changed? Has he time travelled so much that his memories are never affected?
A pretty neat and creative video that explores sides of Silver I rarely see come to light. I particularly like the extra attention you give towards handling the timey wimey ball regarding why Silver continues to come back even after things get "fixed" and how he's able to do so. My personal head canon has always been something close to what you propose. But instead of constantly being in ruin, the future gets to experience these nice "calms before the storm". After helping in the latest game, the future gets decent again and then immediately goes to crap again not long after. It's this constant struggle to go back and constantly fix new calamities preluded by past events that keeps him coming back (and would allow ideas like that prequel comic to work). And I think the Time Stones are a splendid tool for him to use to keep going back to the present. I imagine SEGA now sees how convuluted the story can get when they allow the Chaos Emeralds to do too much things conveniently with time travel being the peak of it and thus have shyed away from the crazier applications of the emeralds and Chaos Control. So the Time Stones would make for a nice alternate MacGiffin that's more centralized on time, is something only Silver these days really has access to (we could say after CD the Time Stones tumbled into the future or some crap). and is something more limited in application so that it doesn't constantly poke the plot full of holes. It would just be nice to see Sega elaborate on how Silver deals with this future business post-06 but it sadly seems like they just can't be bothered to write around that and just want to keep it as simple and convenient as possible. Shame cause Silver definitely has a lot of potential if given the attention he deserves.
Thank you! Yea that whole “Silver coming back after another disaster” raises the problem of Silver coming back *immediately* after previous disaster, because that’s how time travel works. Silver collecting the time stones each time he uses them was kinda my solution for this, he has his own sub-adventures between the mainline adventures, but that “Impending Doom” idea of yours works equally as well.
Hot take: If ST had made Silver the protagonist of Generations, his character would have had a character arc which would have made a lot of sense and also had a new enemy to fight, having to join both classic and modern timelines to fight the final boss, only being able to play with also Sonic when you get to Modern era, but fighting the time boss with both of them.
You know, I kinda like the idea of Silver being a more optimistic (or at least, a stepford smiler) version of Homura Akemi. A character that, no matter how many times he travels to the past to fix the future, he always comes back to find that it's still fucked. Just in a different way from the last time. Yet still he presses on and continues to travel into the past in the desperate hope that one day, he'll finally fix it and get the future he wants. I can get behind something like that.
i think it could be a neat idea to tie the strength of silver's psychokinesis to his mental state. whenever silver is at his best, when he's confident, really hopeful, concentrated, inspired, or just feeling good about himself, he is able to use his psychokinesis to his fullest ability and with ease. However what if he loses that confidence, focus, determination, self positivity? It doesn't even have to be something big to cause it, he could just have a series of unlucky occurrences in a day. like stubbing your toe when you get out of bed, then finding out the shirt you wanted to wear today isnt dry yet so you have to wear a shirt you don't like, then finding out the milk you just poured into your bowl of cereal is expired, and it just sets a bad mood for the day. It could also be something bigger or threatening, but i think ya get the idea. I like to think silver is pretty confident in his psychokinesis abilities, and so therefore he has an easy time controlling them even if he gets a little down once in a while. But what if someone or something planted a seed of doubt in his abilities, even if unintentional? Maybe he starts to worry that his psychokinesis abilities will just dissapear one day, even though he has had no trouble with it at all? Those worries of course, would start coming true, not because of some outside malevolent force or anything of that sort, but because he doesn't trust his abilities like he used to. The next time he has a not ideal day and tries to use his psychokinesis under that stress AND reduced confidence, it doesn't work and he goes into a spiral of depression and it feels like the world is crumbling around him as he knows it. Or something similar to that :0 I just think that theres some untapped writing potential in silver's psychokinesis abilities. Even the most confident, kind, and hopeful people have a breaking point, and when they fall, they fall the hardest and the fastest, because they don't know how to handle the stress because they usually don't need to handle that stress. But they can get up, and they will get up, they just need some time and room for self care, and love from their friends and families. And when they are standing on two feet again, they are standing taller and prouder than they ever have.
Can we just appreciate how smooth these transitions are like i rewatched some of them nearly 4 times just Bc the editing, music and timing was perfect!! My personal favorite was when you said “y’all remember the time stones?” I honestly love the aesthetic of your videos!!
Man, I really like this, both for what it means for Silver *and especially* what it means for Shadow. After 06, he didn't have much to *do* besides working with Team Dark, so him becoming a mentor to Silver would help him find some more purpose in his life.
I liked how the comics explained why he was still in the past. Basically because he changed the future he technically no longer exists, but instead of disappearing he was just put into a stable time loop/alternate reality type thing. Bad future Silver->Past->fixing past=Good Silver Future but Good Silver future would never have a reason to go back, so bad future Silver needs to exist, but Bad future Silver fixing the future makes him not exist. So Bad future goes to past, and get's stuck in it to make that time loop. So technically in the Sonic Universe we have two Silvers. A variation from his fixed timeline we will never see, and the one that we know that has no home to go back too. (Okay that was not basic, but I do think it's a neat way to explain why he exists past 06)
Bro how are you this sick? I love the music synced edits and all the complicated keyframe cropping you do it's just incredible. So unbelievably under rated!
That keep moving forwards part, at the end, also connects back to sonic's character in a very funny but extremely cool way. For as chopped up as ever charcter's story is their is an enormous amount of potential from them all they need to do is put that in a single game or story or something self contained
I honestly do think that Shadow would most likely understand Silver the most out of anyone else for the same reasons you explained they’re a lot more similar than ppl realize
It should have the abilities that Silver had in 06 and even maybe give him new powers also instead of using the boost gameplay, he can teleport, also he can have a new feature that he can dodge enemies attacks by pressing Y or freeze enemies for 10 seconds, also maybe have Blaze as like a second playable character that appears here and there during the game and you can do team up attacks that could do major damage against bosses and wipe out groups of Badniks also the story should have something to do with maybe Eggman nega but than after you “defeat” eggman nega, the future changes to an alternate version of the ending of Sonic Heroes or IDW sonic and in this alternate future, Metal Sonic won and took over the world and then he and Blaze have to team up to take down Neo Metal and the roboticized versions of the whole sonic cast (except silver and Blaze since well, they weren’t around in sonic heroes)
Such a freaking good video my man! I love Silver so much, hes just a Good Boy(TM) and i hate that he gets little to no proper development in the games. I adore his character in the recent comics tho, but i wish there was more. Videos like yours might help get the attention of SEGA at some point! Carry on, my good man!💕💕
Sonic 06 was my first Sonic game as a kid, and of course it was a bad first impression. But since I was a kid, I didn’t see it that way. Glitches or not I was invested and through all that, the one thing that stuck out and isn’t utilized is Silver himself. He felt so different from the other characters and I was upset he was essentially a one-and-done character
I think it would be interesting to see Silver become an antagonist in the sense that as he continuously kept trying to change time he realized more and more how impossible it felt, loosing the hope he usually carries with him. Until he finds out about the Time Stones and attempts to change everything from the very beginning, essentially wiping the slate clean and it'll be up to Sonic and a younger/more hopeful Silver to put a stop to him before he causes too much damage to the time stream. Just a little idea but honestly amazing video and thanks for giving this lettuce head kid some much needed love. 😁👍👍
Thanks!
Silver becoming a villain is something I've played around with a bunch, kinda hinted at it at 14:39 too. Him becoming super obsessed with fixing the past/future and playing god with the power he has.
But Silver fighting a jaded, older version of himself from another timeline is an incredible angle as well, super intriguing to think about, very nice!
@@ALtheBoi agreed but I do feel like it would make more sense if it was Shadow and a younger Silver because they seem to have a closer bond than Sonic and Silver due to the whole mentor/student relationship between them as seen in 06, that and Shadow's immortal (he can't die of natural causes like age or disease) so I feel like that would be a good dynamic as well.
This sounds like I really cool idea! If SEGA hired a competent writer this would be an amazing story.
It should be Silver with his concept design that hails from alternative dimension where he is more serious won’t hesitate to hurt you if you stand in his way.
sounds like erens story
Ugh yes I love Shadow and Sliver working together. Their personality’s are so alike deep down, but different on the surface. I think they have a good balance for one another.
I like the idea of Silver creating a better future, living in it for a while... and then realising that he wants to make an EVEN BETTER future.
He wants to give his new friends and family the best damn future imaginable, and with his previous "Sacrifice Everything For A Better Future" mentality, he doesn't realise that they don't have the same mentality.
That'd be a good reason for a Future Shadow to come back and stop him, too - he doesn't think it's worth erasing the current Good Future and everyone in it, in favor of a Best Future.
Agreed
It seems idw had to make shadow contrast to silver. And have shadow be too hard and edgy while silver is too soft and dorky.
@@crimsonzone8984not really, at heart they’re similar
@@ultracommander8368 how are they similar?
Put him in a GOOD game, for a start.
or you know...just Games in general.
He was in Generations.
I think he meant put him in And have him be involved in the story.
So Colors DS is out of the picture too then
He was good in 06 story wise
About Silver's mentor being an immortal being from the past he travels to like Shadow, something like that was done in Archie. Mammoth Mogul was an immortal villain in the comic, but in Silver's future he was Silver's father figure and mentor that helped him figure out how to save the future. We don't know if this was an elaborate plan or he actually turned over a new leaf, but we wanted to see what would happen when Silver sees the past version of his mentor.
I actually noticed that after someone pointed it out, didn’t realize I inadvertently just made Archie Silver but in game canon 💀
@@ALtheBoi archie had some of the best renditions of most characters. No shame in inadvertently doing the same thing! I loved this video btw. The timing and music were great and I enjoyed the content.
Did they ever explain why Mammoth Mogul turned good?
@@wannabehistorian371 No. They might've made a plot twist or something after Silver returned to the future when he was done with the Secret Freedom fighters, but sadly reboot.
@Ryun Chan In Archie canon, both Shadow and Mogul were established characters (Mogul actually came BEFORE Shadow but that's irrelevant) so I guess the writers just thought that role would fit the immortal god who's been around for millennia than the immortal teenage artificial hedgehog. And imo I agree, since that was able to revitalize the (relatively) unknown character, while Shadow has his own shit going on in the comics.
So, uh
Shadow and Silver’s relationship is basically an introvert and the extrovert he accidentally attached himself to
(That’s kinda hilarious when I think about it and I love it so much)
so are you implying shadilver rn
No
@@elisibethjames7488 I am 😎 /tease
i dont get why people always say silver is an extrovert
dude he can be an introvert in a extroverted way jeez
@@vee5496 ambivert mayhaps?
14:35 That transition gave me goose bumps! You're not only good at editing, you're also really damn good at scripting videos and putting value and excitement into the words you say!
That is really flattering man, thank you!
Np!
What if the time eater was his villains or at least one of them. Everytime silver saves his future, the dystopian timeline he just fixed feeds the time eater and it makes another dystopia for him to fix thus making it an endless cycle. At least until silver brings the fight to the time eater itself
I would actually love a game with many alternate futures. Like we keep coming back to Crisis City and it's always very fundamentally different, but you can tell it's the same city. Key locations are always in the same place, even if you have to take a different path to get there. You can tell what's wrong with the place each time because you've been there so much it's familiar. Crisis City actually feels like home, just a home that's deeply, deeply in trouble. And over various timelines you start to get a picture of what it's actually SUPPOSED to look like. The "true" form of Crisis City. And as you go back and forth, finding clues in the future and solutions in the past, figuring out what to change and what to leave alone, it always feels closer and closer to that ideal. Sure it's always messed up in new and exciting ways, but there's little things that let you know it's getting close.
Shadow being a major character that alternates between friend and foe would also be very fun, but he needs to be an anchoring presence. Like no matter how much Silver screwed up, even if Shadow feels he needs to stop Silver at all costs, Shadow will always have his head in the game, always respect his student, and always want the best for Silver, even if he can't agree with his actions. Ultimately Shadow as an enemy would still be a friend, just not an ally. It would hurt Shadow to have to stop Silver, but he would do what he has to. There may even be a version that wants to destroy the future in order to save Silver, just as there would likely be one that's the reverse.
I feel like such a game would have to end with a partial victory. Sure Crisis City is fixed, at least for the most part, but there's still more and more time and future for Silver to fix. He continually expands his horizons, building off of his past successes. This way he can still win AND have more that he needs to do for future games. Like he comes back and Crisis City is fine, but now he's worried about an entirely different problem.
It could work like a Metroidvania but you switch between timelines whenever one is more convenient
Like say there’s a water-gate blocking the way, so you swap to the timeline where the whole place is a desert
same location and all, just with different circumstances
The Time Stone collecting idea is brilliant - it could also double as a way for us to see each unique bad future through gameplay. Like, the first half of any Silver campaign takes place in that bad future with each level culminating in a Time Stone acquisition. Then he gets back to the past and the second half is him working with Sonic and the others to fix it.
I love that!
@@ALtheBoi Thanks! Just found your videos man, they're awesome. Also your editing is intense lol.
While I mostly agree with what you said here, there is one problem I have that IMO is being overlooked. That by having Silver's future always be some type of doomed regardless of what happens it renders Sonic's actions moot. However, your villain idea actually can fix this problem and there is one character that is perfectly suited for the task, Dr. Nega/Eggman Nega. While at first Nega was Eggman's counterpart to Blaze, it was retconed later that Dr. Nega is a time traveler much like Silver, who hates his ancestor for ruining their family's reputation. So my idea is that while Silver is able to fix the future, only for Dr. Nega to try or succeed in screwing everything up again.
See I've actually thought about that 🤔
I believe that whatever sonic does in his own lifetime is everything he would've wanted and wouldn't take away from his legendary status if the world happens to be destroyed a couple of decades after his death from an unrelated source
Now obviously we're dealing with different timelines here so everything is fair game, including your very valid thought proccess!
@@ALtheBoi
Thanks! You're right Silver's future could indeed be more far into the future then I thought. It brings a sad irony into the situation, hes traveling too far into the past.
Maybe the time stone can each represent something
Red- Time of Rage
L.Blue- Time of Hope
D.Blue- Time of Sorrow
Purple: Time of Past
Yellow-Time of Future
Orange- Time of Present
White- Time of Creation
Black- Time of Destruction
Black being the extra Stone that causes Silver's ability to travel at will than usual time stones being set path but lets Silver travel to a lose time.
I actually really like that!
Maybe Silver's feelings at the moments while using the time stones has an affect on its effects. Maybe it misfires and sends him too far back, or not far enough, or straight up shoot him into another timeline.
Amazing work! I already mentioned a little bit of my thinking for Shadow and Silver on your Shadow video, but this is awesome. I love the idea of the huggable cinnamon roll teaming up and learning with and from the stoic bad ass. It's a new take, it's interesting, and as you said, it could result in some amazing stories. Especially since Shadow is immortal, as long as he survives, he can always mentor Silver in the future. In fact, if Silver goes to his time again and finds Shadow dead, after being mentored by him post 06, that might distress Silver enough to go back and try again. Even if the future seems... okay-ish other than missing Shadow. He is the kind of guy that just might risk that to save his mentor.
Silver is a character that needs so much exploration in the games, I mean give him his own game!!
Firstly, I just wanna say,
I LOVE the ideas you brought up here, bringing back the time stones is an amazing way to keep a lock on the time travel abilities while still keeping it familiar to fans who know about them and the idea for the different types of futures being able to mess with Silver in different ways and Shadow also getting involved is just amazing too
God, you just deserve every amount of praise you get given
Anyway, I have a few little ideas for stuffs so I’ll mention them here
Ideas:
Amy: I think you mentioned this before but Amy should be more of a leader, someone who is good at leading others while still liking Sonic but not to an extreme extent.
Maybe make her leadership and drive to help others a way for her to try to impress her hero
After all, Sonic saved her from Little Planet, so it would make sense for her to want to be like him, so to impress him and to show him that she’s worth his attention she tries to be a good hero but tension could rise if Sonic ignores her efforts possibly leading her to take things into her own hands.
She could try to stop the villain on her own.
The Chaotix: For Espio, Vector and Charmey, I’d honestly like to see them as people that look into what Eggman is doing to see if they can catch him planning something, they would be paid by the government since after the stuff Eggman has pulled off they’d probably want him to be checked on to make sure shit doesn’t happen.
Professor Pickle: He is our lord and saviour and he is perfection
*Change nothing about him*
Eggman: Just make him like the Sonic Unleashed intro
Or THAT scene in SA2... you know the one
Those scenes got so much right
Just make him an big threat, give him some presence, no more of this powerful sidekick stuff or god betrayal and no more of the stupid jokes that paint him out to not be a threat
He’s the main villain, so make him like one
Blaze: While Shadow is Silver’s mentor, Blaze could be his closest friend, after all, she is the one that’s suffered through the shit Silver’s dealt with alongside him so she would have a grasp on how he feels and would be able to help him when he gets mentally bad
Now... I know Blaze did die at the end of 06 so...
Perhaps they could center something around Silver trying to bring Blaze back to life with his time travelling, he has to collect the time stones from his time, go back and do everything he can to prevent Blaze from dying while still trying to save his future, now more knowledgeable about the truth
....y’know, now that I think about it this centers more on Silver but that’s because Blaze could make his character work better
Big and Froggy: Now, I know these two have some... history surrounding them, so I have to be really careful with what I say here so...
Here goes...
Lets make Big the Cat
An assassin
He wears a suit and shades, he carries around guns in both hands and smokes weed while shooting fuckers
Froggy is the one that tells Big who he’s supposed to eliminate and Big goes and does it
Like the badass he is
The game he’s in revolves around the struggling relationship between Big and Froggy, where Big wants to quit the line of work they’re in to go back to fishing but Froggy ain’t having any of that shit, so Froggy sends assassins to go kill Big, but Big fights through them to speak face to face with Froggy...
How did I come up with this XD
Yuti good ideas also big the assassin...😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 also I don’t think big idea will work as well as intended considering sonic is target towards older and younger audiences but it’s still not a bad idea.
Thank you so much!
alright, let's see...
Amy: that is the exact direction i'm taking Amy.
growing out of her fan-girl phase while still having her crush on sonic. that'll make her less annoying And sonic doesn't get sexually assaulted every other day, win-win. i think they've been doing that ever since Lost World. but then she's left with nothing.
The Chaotix: the problem with these guys stems from the fact that they're usually involved, but not involved enough, they're just there.
definitely need to amp up the detective agency situation.
Professor Pickle: you can't fix God, next.
Eggman: yeah pretty much, i think Mike Pollock carries Eggman too well for him to be a bad character, the only problem is what you just said, he's not evil enough
Blaze: i didn't say anything about her in this video, because i think TSR handled their relationship pretty well, it just need a little more polish to be perfect.
and i don't think we need to worry about blaze in '06, they kinda swept her under the rug and continued on with her Rush canon.
Big: aaaaand you turned big into florida man, great.
[AL The Boi]
Yeah, you’re right with all of that
I can’t really disagree
@@ALtheBoi Forgive me my bad english, but Amy is one of my favorite characters. I want to say my opinion on her here, because I like this idea in comment and there is no video about her on this channel (yet ) .
I love her and I know, that she has her crazy moments and she can be veeeeeery anoying. But I think she has a personality besides just loving guy and stuff around him. Sega just don´t show it, cause Sonic treating Amy like a garbage when she harass him is supposed to be „funny“ or something.... I hate it. It´s kinda Knuckles situation.
But still I love her. She is extreamly releateble to young girls. The most of girls in her age are like that. They love romance, are instantly talking and thinking about boys, planing and dreaming about marriege, they are in love with boy idols. On top of that, she is optimistic extrovert... and i don´t know, just starting puberty or something. This all is ... all right in some point. I mean she is pink and girlish, we know, we get it, she is A GIRL among the main characters... so mainly kids can releate. She do not represents Sonic´s raw and rude teenage energy. She was a little innocent girl. But now?
Now... she just fills holes in story. Like you need someone to take charge in background, because the story has complicated environment and Sonic needs to be hero - Amy. Don´t get me wrong, I like this idea. I want her to be more independent and useful. But not like sidekick character who just solves problems and helps behind the scenes!
Amy is good character. Very honest, helpful, social, energetic and open-minded. She is so adorabl, cute and so good with people! Even when she´s not doing hero stuff, she helps heroes, she remainds them why they are fighting. It´s saying a lot- you don´t have to be strong and special to help, just be kind to people and listen to them. And when she starts fighting, oh god, she has a BIG hammer! Come on! She is a hedgehog, this little girl is a heavy hitter and very strong, she can keep up (at least a little) with sonic, she is very smart and clever, has great sense of justice. And I love how playfull and teasing she can be sometimes. Amy has the bigest determination of all the characters. She always gets what she wants, it´s in her mindset (but not in mean way).
So... this girl grew up over time. And I want her to grow even more. I love idea of having own boss fights... or at least decent women rival! It could be also great example for young girls. Just look at Amy and iconic Sonic-Shadow-Silver trio.
We see that hedgehogs get all special teratment, but she doesn´t get a shit :D Only her thing are tarot cards and her „intuision“ (and i like it, but no game really use this propertly ). She´s not so strong yet, but can be. Even Sonic is afraid of her temper sometimes. And her fighting is very reckless but can get better like another improvement. Also Amy is already faster then she was in classic games. This hedgehog just has so many underated and forgoten abilities, plus she is pushing herself so far beyond her limits. Like no one in games. Mainly because of Sonic. So imagine what can Amy do for world as another hero like Sonic, Shadow and Silver are. However... She can't even go super or at least fight like my 3 hedgy boys. It's so sad compare her to them.
And you know, it´s very good example, not only for girls, but for everyone - it doesn´t metter if you weren´t born with talent or special abilities, when you have more determination than people around you. You can work hard and succeed. Be better person. It´s so real. I realy want her to drop that crush or just hide it. But show her unconditional love more to friends instead and to the world like a real hero!
That´s all. I hope you uderstand that :D Thanks for reading my opinion. I hope you will make a video about her, cause I love your content!
Lucy Willow
This is Great! some of the things you said really struck a chord with me and gave me some ideas, it'll definitely make it into the video, if that's alright with you of course.
I kind of like Silver as a less serious comedic character. Idk, with Blaze seemingly a lot more grounded and serious, Silver being this innocent, hopeful, naïve idiot feels like it'd be fun. Blaze can be serious and perhaps more of a realist and less hopeful, but she goes along with Silver and his extravagant ideas for a better outcome because she doesn't want him to lose that innocence.
Other things, Sonic is being competitive, cocky, and snarky, Shadow is being competitive, serious, and a hard-ass, Silver is just happy to be there.
Amy and Silver just hanging out enjoying themselves, maybe being as naïve as you can get, but they have such a child spirit glow in their eyes. I can see Amy taking Silver to go shopping for no other reason than just cause.
Silver is one of my favorite characters, my most favorite being eggman, and it's sad he's shat on because 06 was a travesty of cataclysmic proportions, but I'd really wish Sega would give him a better chance and also just better writing in general, make him the most innocent of the hedgehogs, I think we need someone more happy-go-lucky and sweet to bounce off of uh...what ever the fuck Shadow is these days, and Sonic who's more laid back but also incredibly cocky, just a nice breath of fresh air for a character. This adorably innocent, hopeful, naïve nincompoop who gets wide eyed at childish things from the past and is best friends with Amy cause they can connect somewhat on that level, all while Blaze is just there happy that Silver is happy and has a childish spirit despite of the terrible things they've been through and seen together in the future. A fun character, and a beautiful friendship with someone who'd otherwise see them as a child not worth their time.
Idk I just kind of want more innocent and sweet characters since a lot of the sonic games these days feel overly serious, and sonic's personality kind of gets old for me at times, more so eye-rolling, and shadow is...well kind of shitty, ruined to all hell after Adventure 2, the only one who seems to never get old and stay loveable and fun to see everywhere is Eggman, Tails was ruined and turned into a bitch after his development in adventure 1, Amy while I like her as Silver's friend, is all over the place with obsession of sonic to...Boom..., Knuckles is great but boom turned him into a dipshit, and all the games seem to just...forget he's this bad ass who is meant to be protecting a VERY IMPORTANT artifact that HOUSES A FUCKING CHAOTIC GOD.
I do really like Silver's dynamic with Shadow in 06, but I should point out Shadow took him under partly out of obligation and needing him to know the truth because he saw Silver was misguided. That said, it does seem he was impressed by Silver's techniques, but I should probably look more into the scripts for the game, and see details to be more certain about what was going on.
Ah yes, this is what I've been looking for, you gave the perfect idea for a good silver plot
Maybe I could be the person to start work on a silver the hedgehog game, once I empty my plate of course
Like you said Silver is a optimist not a realist good attention to detail.
The fact I did not find these videos sooner is upsetting. I got the Eggman video recommended to me and I thoroughly enjoy your takes on these characters. Keep up that good shit
14:31 is really ironic since Shadow would probably play a role like Future Gohan, just like how Trunks is said to be an inspiration for the creation of Silver.
Silver goes back to the past to fix the future, it's "successful" however he's trapped in the past/present
You could also have it be that every time Silver saves the past he ceases to exist, as that version of Silver didn't happen anymore. The new future has a new Silver who meets Sonic slightly further down the timeline at the next potenially apocalyptic event (i.e. the next Sonic game)
See i think that’s what the canon games are actually going for.
Not exactly sure where, but a couple of interviews stated that every time we see Silver, he’s a new Silver from another timeline...? Which like doesn’t make sense in thei context because Silver clearly knows and acknowledges the cast as friends he knows for a while.
Ignoring that, it makes sense, it makes the most sense out of everything else we can do.
But my main problem with this comes from the fact that Silver wouldn’t be able to develop as a character. Every adventure he completes, he resets and has to meet the cast all over again.
I think this is why the fanbase collectively agrees that Silver operates outside of time, like he fucked around with time so much it doesn’t affect him no more.
The time stones... MAN, WHY DIDN'T THEY THINK OF THAT, IT COULD BE A LOT INTERESTING
I used to read the few, disjointed, random Sonic the Hedgehog comics my library had, and lemmi tell ya I instantly loved Silver. He was portrayed as this mysterious, powerful, wise old dude from Somewhere (I didn’t learn till years later that he came from the future bc I apparently didn’t have access to the comic that explained that, if such a comic exists) but I knew, I knew as soon as I saw this child that he was an awkward, viciously hopeful, out-of-his-depth used to be paragon who had ZERO idea how anything worked bc he came from goodness knows where with a completely different set of rules and physics and social norms. Little ND me immediately latched onto him as a fellow alien.
Plus he’s white and gold, and that made him cool I guess XD
I think, for a potential Silver the Hedgehog game, the Time Stones could make for an interesting plot point.
By the way, I wrote this when I was only halfway through the video.
Imagine that one day, in the doomed (or maybe undoomed) future, Silver comes across a few time rifts, and uses them to combat threats in the past, maybe some that can time travel. Maybe he discovers the dark timeline where Eggman has won, and this Eggman is supplying Eggman from the other timelines with materials and robots with which to try and take over the world (This could explain why Eggman never seems to run out of robots).
Silver could travel to different points in history acting as different stages, with the future acting as the hubworld. And, as the story progresses, the hubworld future can switch between doomed and undoomed.
There could also be a new Robot doppelganger built by the dark timeline's Eggman that pursues Silver (could be called Metal Silver or Cold Silver?), and he has one of the time stones built into himself. This doppelganger would be like a reverse of the Terminator, in that it is sent from the past to kill someone in the future.
Also, the Time Stones exist as only one set spread across all the timelines. Each time stone can unlock special abilities.
The true ending is unlocked when all time stones are collected, and Silver becomes like a Time Lord; maybe he is revealed to have been responsible for creating the time rifts at the beginning of the game.
How does that sound?
Also, I had this idea where Silver travels back to a point when Project Shadow is still online; maybe Silver temporarily recruits a younger version of Shadow from before that incident to combat a threat in the past?
its kind of crazy that the only one that cant cleanly fit their own set of emeralds when it comes to people who can use them directly is shadow himself. Honestly kinda funny thats the case. It rubs salt in the wound that hes the only synthetic one out of... four? five characters? that he doesnt even have a set he can really call his own and has to get a loan from someone probably already on the way to saving the day, id be a mad little shit too.
Dude just let Silver hang out. Like why does his world have to be fucked so he can chill with his friends. Like come on let the boy chill
I always thought he is still sticking around somewhat because he doesn't have many friends in his future or something
Dunno if its been mentioned but Knuckles is also described as believing people are generally good. He still doesn't like trespassers and prefers solitude.
Fun Fact: in the old Archie Sonic comics Silver actually did have an immortal mentor (a comic-original character) and also did use the Time Stones (one of them at least) to travel to the past!
My dream idea is a game where Silver is like a mentor figure who test Shadow and Sonic
every-time hell breaks loose on those two he tries somewhere somehow to cure their mental state
9:00 Vader: if you're not with me then you're my enemy!
Sure the future may be doomed but that doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed. That’s Sliver’s Achilles Heel. He always tries to turn back the clock and try again, never stopping to consider continuing from where he is. Maybe collecting all the Time Stones in Sliver’s hypothetical game, leads him to Shadow and he asks what is he back for, and when Sliver replies he’s here to fix the past, Shadow says he hasn’t been able to save it the other times so why does he think it will work now? After a bit of arguing Sliver realizes that no matter how many times he comes back it won’t change anything, it’s no use. So he hops back in the portal and confronts the evil head on and wins. The complete anthesis to Sonic CD’s use of the Time Stones to change the past.
So the "short tempered and bossy" came from his characterization in the rivals games. I really don't think the Rivals games handled his character well, and gave him even more negative perception than 06(Even though I think 06 Silver is the best Silver a lot of people overlooked his character just because of mephiles)
Ok im gonna say it technically he shouldn't exist anymore after the events of princess Elise blowing out the candle of Solaris
Just started watching your vids, love em so much!!! Keep it up!!
Just makes silver future trunks. Boom. Fixed
I propose that Silver should become college student for history, it would explain why he comes back all the time. And the series would encourage children to stay in school.
I don't think "brave" would be the word to describe someone who became used to destrution and terror. For you to be brave, you have to overcome fear, if you grew acostumed to fear to the point that you don't feel it anymore, how could you be brave? 🤔
I'm about to start watching but 2 minutes in, the editing. It's so c l e a n
t h a n k y o u s i r
I've made an entire idea of retelling the Sonic franchise as 1 cohesive story. 14:35 The element of the time stones were something I felt like was overlooked so I implemented them into my story in Mania (now in the past instead of another dimension), Shadow the Hedgehog (game), 06, & have it be the main focus of Generations (Classic Sonic is from CD, which takes place after Sonic 2 & since the retcon of 06, Silver will be fully reintroduced into Generations. However having him remember everything from 06 & trying to reach Sonic by appearing the Black Knight)
Incredibly based. I had the same idea about using the time stones.
i love these videos, just finding this!
You know I m not a big fan of ghosts of the future but I DO love Idw.
Yeah i just brought that up to prove a point, and my nostalgia for it definitely has something to do with it.
@@ALtheBoi Yup
I'm glad there's people who can see the potential with Silver's character. When you mentioned Silver being an extrovert (like Sonic), and Knuckles being an introvert, it gave me some ideas regarding Silver's relationships with 2 male characters. You also mentioned Silver having his own "Shadow", which forms a "mentor/student" bond. With that being said, I have a question to ask...
This is just theoretical, but if Silver had a boyfriend, who do you believe he should be paired up with? As for why I said "boyfriend", that's because Silver's theme (Dreams of an Absolution) is a gay romance song. The singer (Bentley Jones) made a video explaining the origin of that song. The word "absolution" means to atone, forgive, or repent. Overall, Silver's theme mainly revolves around redemption. Here's my romance ideas for Silver (Sonic and Shadow are the most popular ships with Silver)...
Shadow and Silver: An immortal being from the past, and a time traveller from the future. A hero of darkness and a hero of light. They're basically yin and yang. There's two things that they have in common. Both of them lost a female companion (Maria for Shadow/Blaze for Silver) that was like a sister to them, and both got manipulated by creepy villains (Black Doom for Shadow/Mephiles for Silver) but eventually saw the light.
Sonic and Silver: A cocky, cool teen filled with confidence and a dorky, humble teen that's inexperienced. Since Silver comes from a ruined future, Sonic can take him around the world and can show him the beauty of the present. Silver would enjoy going to Twinkle Park with Sonic, considering they both visited an amusement park once. Silver could even help Sonic get over his fear of water (Sonic's the only hedgehog that's not capable of swimming).
As for who I would ship Silver with, I'd pick Shadow. He's the perfect, ideal boyfriend for him (Sonic is a secondary option for Silver) Though, I'd like to hear your opinion on which male character Silver should date...
Now i’m not a shipper, so I’m probably the last person you would want an opinion on this. The only characters i “ship” are the ones that already have official romantic chemistry.
Knuckles and Rouge, Vanilla and Vector, Tangle and Whisper, those kinda pairs.
But if i HAD to add anything, I gotta say that I personally don’t see any of the main hedgehogs as romantic types.
Sonic is a free spirit who wouldn’t be bound down to anything, a relationship isn’t really his thing, that’s why I headcanon that he’s Aromantic. In the main canon that is.
Shadow, is immortal, he wouldn’t want to get with anyone because he’s doomed to outlive everyone, and him being an artificially made being, I don’t see why Gerald would make him *to* be able to fall in love. He can experience deep connections and friendships, (Maria and his friends) but an actual romantic relationship? I don’t see that, personally.
And for Silver, i have no idea.
I just don’t think he’s even ready *or* willing to get in a relationship, too focused on his goal.
Yup, i’m not the best shipper lol
Although, Espio and Knuckles are good candidates
@@ALtheBoi When Silver's future isn't doomed by a random threat and everything's peaceful, only then can he make time for romance. Ever since I saw that video from Bentley Jones, it made me more curious to explore Silver's sexuality. What you said about Shadow helping Silver with his insecurities really touched my heart.
@@ALtheBoi Silver and Espio's bond in Sonic Rivals 2 was one of my favorite aspects in that game. I wish they could interact more often...
They’d definitely vibe if they interacted more
Shadow actually trusts 3 people, you forgot Omega. Omega and Rouge are his closest friends even more so than Sonic
02:50 exactly
I felt like silver could've been a recurring character, but only in the Steins;gate type scenario. Where any attempts to change the past are subverted and you end up in the same place, until you can manage to somehow escape the timeline cluster you're in.
Of course, that would mean he'd end up with a final goodbye (if we assume most/all the mainline games are canon, meaning not the DS/3ds versions etc) and that means giving up a marketable design owie ouch. This is part of my dislike for forces, it feels incredibly derivative and like every character ever had to be there but flanderized.
Ay man this series was awesome, just binged everything that is already out
If I had to add anything, maybe using the Time Stones to justify Silver still existing?
I mean, considering he altered the past, so the future is different, unless the timeline has some fixed points, like soulmates and stuff, the probability of Silver still existing in the new timeline is pretty little
I know as much about how time works as your average person, so I don't know if that would actually erase him, but if it would, maybe he used the Time Stones to like, shove himself back into the timeline?
I think it was Sonic The Comic Online that I saw do that, but I don't remember
Thank my man I appreciate it!
Also that’s a great explanation for Silver’s immunity to time fuckery.
Almost everyone in the fanbase already agrees that Silver is not affected by time, but they always chalk that up to him being immune just because he time travels so much, myself included.
But *This* will definitely be my go-to explanation from now on, i’m gonna bring that up in the future with your name on it!
Could also introduce a plot-point about how it’s dangerous to time travel without the stones, you won’t have your immunity anymore, better be careful with your steps then kid.
@@ALtheBoi hey dude, thanks for replying, do check Sonic The Comic Online tho, I shouldn't take credit for an idea that wasn't mine and I'm pretty sure I saw it there
Ah that's the official "unofficial" continuation of StC right? I'll be checking that out.
@@ALtheBoi Pretty sure it is, yeah
@@ALtheBoi found it
It's a two-parter in issues 269 and 270
Silver's story - The strange case of Silver the Hedgehog
You need to (more like should) work for SEGA (or even better, become SEGA’s boss)! I see something in your words and ideas that acts like Midas’s touch, but in a good way! This may sound weird but, I think most of the sonic games should be re-written with your ideas as a guide (obviously only if everyone else agrees).
Edit: I think I went too far…
8:43
Me: Delusion?
Video: Hope.
Me: *damn it*
I would love Sonic 3 to do Shadow and Silver
All they have to do is put him in a non-shit game. He worked as a cool boss in generations so we know it can be done.
Ah so like the Archie and IDW Silver,
Dude! I want this! Mabe sega can do a spin off co ic with a si.iler concept to see if it could work snd the WHEN it does make it cannon! I hate sonic 06 but love silver.
You are a fucking genius you made me scream when u said time stones
I would argue that silver's "never give up " attitude is more than just "hope" but also comes from a sort of anger and frustration desiring to change the world with a tenacious defiance rather than just bright eyed hopeful optimism .
It’s definitely not as surface level as “He’s just Hopeful”, you’re right.
What I was trying to get at was that, in essence, Silver’s persistence to make a good difference in the world and not giving up at any corner comes from the fact that he never lets go of hope.
I would argue that silver's "never give up " attitude is more than just "hope" but also comes from a sort of anger and frustration desiring to change the world with a tenacious defiance
"never give up"
infantine futures
infonaut possibilities
in one future there could easily be one reality that is a constant rick roll you can never escape and haunts his dreams at night. everything else is fine and normal though, it's just that dreaded song he will escape at any cost, he makes the whole sonic team go through hell and back just to rewrite the future back to that "pretty desert" from before, er.. after? whatever, you get what im saying though don't you?
I always thought the best way to deal with Silver as a character is to trap him in the past. He time travels one to many times, changes the future one too many times and creates a future without him. He's displaced beyond time itself, lost to a future he'll never be able to experience and trapped in the past where he, hopefully believes, he can make a difference and form a new life. Instead of bouncing him around, leave him stuck in the past, where the future he's from no longer exists and he can't go back to said future either.
I totally agree! I like to think that Silver being stuck in the past could symbolise the idea that you can't worry about what the future holds and you need to simply live in the present. Only with Silver, it's literal!
I like this idea, a lot, though i've definitely thought of it in a slightly different way, lol
My idea of keeping Silver in the past is that, at some point (a 'playable' event, yknow, plot was *could* be turned into a game just by the fact that it's important), he realizes that him constantly returning to his future is what's *causing* his future to be a disaster.
So the only way for him to save the future is to remain in the past, help around, be of assistance where he can.
I also just find it sad that, in this case, Silver could never see a safe future because leaving is what causes the future's doom-
it would be a learning opportunity for him too. That he's not enjoying his life, going back and forth, watching the demise of his future repeatedly. And i can see it being a point of struggle, he *wants* to go make sure the future is okay, but he shouldn't, he should worry about the present and enjoy himself a bit.
This is definitely more hurt/comfort territory than what i initially thought it was going to be but Mentor Shadow softened me up. Besides, i want Silver to be happy, but his optimism is being put to the test with this- lol
Anyways- i was just rambling..
So give him the Eobard Thawne treatment and make him a Paradox. Cool
I freaking love Silver’s character. He has so much unused potential it’s saddening. He’s probably my absolute favorite Sonic character period, especially in the comics because they portrayed his story very well. 💜
It's kinda weird how everyone complains about his character in 2006 yet in the other games He's way worse.
Great video man, I was waiting for this for so long
What do you mean?
@@sebastienholmes548 I think he means the Sonic rivals games. To be fair, EVERYONE is bad in those games
And he Is actually good in 06 anyway
@@Mepphy99 I agree, really fun
Yeah. He was introduced from a very terrible game, but showed a lot about him. He’s just a place holder nowadays. But no matter what people is just gonna say “06 bad”. But you’re right he’s even worse now.
What if silver permanently stayed in the past to protect the people of the future until he can find a way to permanently keep the future safe
That’s also a great idea, maybe he’s tackling the problem from another angle.
“Maybe the reason i keep coming back is because I’m supposed to be here in the first place, so i’m gonna stay here for while”
Maybe he's afraid of going back to the future just to see it destroyed. After all he has nothing left, blaze is dead and nature is destroyed.
He could go through his own arc and face his fear and have hope again for the future. It would humanize him a lot.
Can you imagine being born in a hellish earth and be able to go go back in time would you really want to go back to the future again?
@@HeyMomonia brilliant
@@michaelmenna9039 Thanks man
@@HeyMomonia i don’t wanna ruin the moment but 06 isn’t canon meaning blaze is still in another time
"Yall remember the time stones?"
*Jamming intensifies*
Also; YES, HOW DID SEGA FORGET THAT THEY LITERALLY HAVE MAGICAL GEMS FOR TIME TRAVEL EVEN THOUGH TIME TRAVEL IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN MULTIPLE OF THEY'RE GAMES
I didn't even think Silver needed much fixing, but this video definitely opened my eyes a bit. I hope and pray that at some point down the line, Sonic Team learns from the literal DECADE of cosntant mistakes and find a way to use the side characters they have for proper roles. Silver has SO much potential, and I don't think we'll ever have a character like him in the franchise ever again at this point, he's too good of a plot magnet to pass up!
This does make me VERY interested in what you plan on doing for Blaze, Cream and Amy down the line. It's super sad how most of the girls in the franchise have been so underutalized in the games. Well, Cream's a exception at least, she's literally a kid with little adventuring experience.
Marine basically doesn't exist.
@@TornaitSuperBird Honestly I completely forgot about Marine at the time, but she's only been in one game so I doubt Al here would make a video on her any time soon 😅
Maybe its because we never got to see much of him, except in one game that... is really infamous
Less serious, but I just wish we could see his charming, adorable naivete in casual circumstances more often. It's like how Sonic tried to trash talk with him in TSR, but it went over Silver's head because he's just a genuine, endearing 14-year-old kid who's been too busy saving the world to learn how to talk to people. If he gets to be a main character more often (and he should), moments like that should pop up more often either before a game like that or sprinkled in a healthy amount during said game. He works much better as a character if the audience finds him endearing. It's a good way of reinforcing Blaze's repeated description of him as "naive." More showing to enhance the telling, you know?
Sorry, I just love this kid. I really do.
Sonic is a character who takes almost nothing seriously, Shadow is a character who takes almost everything seriously. It makes sense for Silver to be in the middle, he's super serious in a serious situation, but if there are no stakes he shows his true dorky self.
HC: after silver tried gardening (from the sonic the hedgehog IDW 2019 anniversary short) he got really into it and has a little garden in the future in the only place that can grow plants
I love that, definitely something he’d do
What if Silver was a guardian of multiple futures or something... like Silver's constant unexplained returns could be like Silver joined a DBZ Xenoverse style Time Patrol, and every time a possible future where the world is screwed shows up, Silver's job is to help Sonic prevent it... it would give Silver a reason to keep coming back, give his character purpose, and with the alternate timeline things that a Sonic Time Patrol could bring... could explain the existence of The Modern and Mania timelines... maybe relate it to Generations and Eggman's Time Eater stunt causing lots of timelines to result in the creation of a Time Patrol. Hmmm.... I mean Sega compared him to Trunks anyway..m might as well use it to enhance Silver as a character, but keep his personality different than Trunks because Silver is his own Hedgehog damn it!
See if I understand correctly, so silver can spot at which point of time the future gets ruined if he Wouldn’t have showed up.
So his futures are automatically saved because the past (future) version of him already took care of it? Scientifically speaking, That actually makes more sense than my “Doomed Future” concept.
@@ALtheBoi Pretty much. With Silver in a Time Patrol type role, Silver could constantly track where things go wrong without his intervention.
How about if Silver is always stuck a solid amount of time away from a world calamity event, that's always enough time to prevent it, be it by Iblis or by whatever destiny that caused Iblis. He could be born from a classic time paradox, where he teleported his body with psychic powers into the year +200, but that actually happened the moment he warped back in time and foresaw the future using those psychic powers. Now he's locked permanently in enough time to prevent the calamity, and if he slacks off he gets pushed back further in time, and because that makes him disappear we know all he was able to do in the past was get back to his original creation event. But if he gains power, he can prevent the calamity faster and doesn't get time slipped. If sonic prevents calamity for him, he doesn't get time slipped. But the calamity is always only stalled enough so that it's that same solid amount of time away, not prevented.
This would bring constant tension to Silver's existence, and grounds him as really from this time but also from the future. If he gains the time emeralds but uses them wrong, is he blowing his chance to prevent the calamity? If he spends up his normal psychic powers? If he's holding the time stones and is able to whoop solaris in 5 minutes, is the calamity creeping to happen only 5 minutes from now and risking the life of Sonic et al in the process? Silver's existence becomes defined as trusting himself and trusting his friends to always go forwards and be ready to fight the calamity whenever it comes. And if he's just spending time with his friends and not getting slipped back in time, he knows they are working together to create a world were the calamity isn't happening soon. That's a bit of a combination I compromized from both of your ideas. Funnily enough one where the multiverse is crucially relevant, because the calamity is from whichever future timeline makes it possible when other lines fail it, it's that kind of pervasive evil that creates the past that causes it to happen so it can erase the past and glue both ends of time together at the point of its own victory.
Blaze could have a similar origin story but one that goes between dimensions instead of time. That's why both were there at Iblis event, and why Silver is from only a single moment in time but Blaze is from a whole separate universe. That could also be why a flame is such a universal symbol of world creation and destruction.
That’s also pretty great, well done!
An idea sparked in my head while reading your concept, it’s basically an amalgamation of all of our ideas, at a much smaller scale.
what if at some point, silver tries to get creative with his time travel, but his experiment backfires, And he gets stuck in a short time loop (1 to 10 hours maybe) that always ends up with him dying if some Very specific routes and actions are not took. Every time he dies he gets weaker tho, so he has to break the loop before he DIES dies.
We could take his psychokinesis away too, the time loop messed up his powers or something. make him more vulnerable.
It’s nothing original but i think it would be fun to explore in a short film/game or something idk.
Kinda reminds me of a line from the archie comics where it's mentioned he's training to be a " knight of kronos ".
Silver's arch enemy: Dr Facilier.
Guess he's got friends on the other side
“I like sand, it’s not course, not rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere...”
“What?”
I was a big fan of "Ghosts of The Future" and I think that would be a good template for a potential Silver spinoff. It would be an older version of Shadow training a rookie version of Silver to be a hero of his era.
that could be tweaked for your "Doomed Future" concept. Silver returns to the future but doesn't recognize it so Shadow has to fill him in on what went wrong.
Oooooo!!! I loved that comic series!
Shadow doesn't age though so he wouldn't look older
@@Breakaway-ic5gj he'll act older. ;). Living 200+ years would do that to you.
I really wish he knew some of the characters in the future, especially with Shadow being immortal, would love to see a future shadow.
Definitely, imagine shadow still working for gun in 200 years and having the highest rank possible.
And not only shadow, shouldn’t sonic be a legend in his time? What happens that causes silver not to recognize him?
These would be really fun to explore.
AL The Boi yeah I agree, Sonic is the definitive hero of the world, and it’s not a secret or anything. In adventure 2, they literally say the world renowned hero, Sonic the Hedgehog.
@@ALtheBoi I could see Shadow as a sort of Gohan to Silver's Trunks, being a mentor figure who has been there, done that, and has to consistently cope with the fact that this god damn hedgehog he met once in the past, er, present, keeps showing up over and over.
@@sonicrulez6916 I wonder how powerful Shadow could be in that length of time.
@@chi-wind8593 Honestly, it's kind of surprising that 06 DIDN'T have a future version of Shadow.
As a massive Silver fan, lemme say that this is definitely the best Silver video I’ve seen by far !! You broke down his character So well and understand his personality to a tee !! I’ve been saying the mentor/student dynamic with Shadow for a Lo n g time so to see it in this vid?? I just about squealed !!! SO many great thoughts and ideas in such an amazing video, I shed TEARS !!! Bless your soul omg ;;꒳ ;; 🙌🏽🙌🏽💙💚✨ Keep it up dude ‼︎‼︎
Thank you SO much for the kind words! Glad i could deliver!
@@ALtheBoi Of COURSE oml, I literally have to come back every now and then just to hear how much you popped off oml (definitely didn't just do that right now lololol o//w//o) !
The transition in 14:34 is phenomenal the pacing, music beats, and timed recording is..... phenomenal also this is my 4th time watching this video again YOU ARE UNDERATTED and why don't you at least have 10k subs man like wow you are amazing!!!!!!
bro can i link my sonic idwverse fanfic😳
Sure dude, all ideas are welcome
Lets gooo
m.fanfiction.net/s/13655075/1/Sonic-the-Hedgehog-Civil-War
There’s AUs of IDW? Wow
@@Sydney_Angelyt
Honestly you dont see that many because the comics are actually that good. The only ones I've seen are ship ones.
@@Vivigreeny25 how is the quality of a comic series got to do with having AUs?
This editing is so good
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The idea of Silver coming back to the past over and over because every time he returns to the future its just as bad as before is extremely tragic, but also extremely compelling! It would also explain why he would be more willing to stick around for the spin-off games, since the present day is so much better than his cursed future, of course he'd keep coming back.
Finnally someone else who thinks the timestones should be part of silvers story. I mean the macguffins that are a time travel use and the time travler from the future, how more obvious can you get.
I'm honoured you mentioned one of my previous comments in the intro about Team Sonic. Thank you.
Onto Silver himself, I always found him to be this sweet and naive cinnamon roll I just want to hug and help improve his situation by being a friend. And I never noticed that difference with him and Knuckles or similarity with him and Sonic before: Knuckles being introverted but Silver being extroverted, and Silver and Sonic expressing it in different ways. Now I think about it, it would be cool if Silver, Sonic, Shadow and Knuckles all interact together: two extroverts (Sonic and Silver) and two introverts (Knuckles and Shadow), especially with the respect angle for Sonic/Shadow, rival angle for Shadow/Knuckles, and mentor student angle for Shadow/Silver. And the whole thing with Shadow being a mentor to Silver is very poetic considering that Silver was close to going down the same path Shadow did. They just click and I love that.
And sidenote about the tier list, I'm really interested in developing a few of those B and C characters further: Rouge and Cream specifically. The stuff you said about Rouge in the Shadow video really hit close to my heart, and I've always loved the soft spoken and bubbly Cream. Maybe she could be an apprentice to Tikal and Knuckles in learning how to take care of the Chao.
Nah, fuck that redditor wholesome 100 Keanu chungus bullshit, keep'em like in 06 and build on that.
That “Y’all remember the Time Stones?” was WAY smoother than it had to be I love it
My best guess as to why silver's future suddenly becomes bad in forces is that maybe the phantom ruby showing up from mania messed things up since it wasn't supposed to be in the modern dimension.
Maybe it was what caused to timeline to suddenly derail?
That’s actually a great headcanon to explain that away, nice job!
I think that's the canon explanation.
The Phantom Ruby showed up out of nowhere in the Classic timeline, then it teleported to the modern timeline and was found by Eggman. Since the ruby just randomly inserted itself itself into a timeline, the future was changed.
The question is, how does Silver even realize the future changed? Has he time travelled so much that his memories are never affected?
A pretty neat and creative video that explores sides of Silver I rarely see come to light. I particularly like the extra attention you give towards handling the timey wimey ball regarding why Silver continues to come back even after things get "fixed" and how he's able to do so. My personal head canon has always been something close to what you propose. But instead of constantly being in ruin, the future gets to experience these nice "calms before the storm". After helping in the latest game, the future gets decent again and then immediately goes to crap again not long after. It's this constant struggle to go back and constantly fix new calamities preluded by past events that keeps him coming back (and would allow ideas like that prequel comic to work).
And I think the Time Stones are a splendid tool for him to use to keep going back to the present. I imagine SEGA now sees how convuluted the story can get when they allow the Chaos Emeralds to do too much things conveniently with time travel being the peak of it and thus have shyed away from the crazier applications of the emeralds and Chaos Control. So the Time Stones would make for a nice alternate MacGiffin that's more centralized on time, is something only Silver these days really has access to (we could say after CD the Time Stones tumbled into the future or some crap). and is something more limited in application so that it doesn't constantly poke the plot full of holes. It would just be nice to see Sega elaborate on how Silver deals with this future business post-06 but it sadly seems like they just can't be bothered to write around that and just want to keep it as simple and convenient as possible. Shame cause Silver definitely has a lot of potential if given the attention he deserves.
Thank you!
Yea that whole “Silver coming back after another disaster” raises the problem of Silver coming back *immediately* after previous disaster, because that’s how time travel works.
Silver collecting the time stones each time he uses them was kinda my solution for this, he has his own sub-adventures between the mainline adventures, but that “Impending Doom” idea of yours works equally as well.
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4:35 could’ve sworn that would say “cha cha real smooth”
Hot take: If ST had made Silver the protagonist of Generations, his character would have had a character arc which would have made a lot of sense and also had a new enemy to fight, having to join both classic and modern timelines to fight the final boss, only being able to play with also Sonic when you get to Modern era, but fighting the time boss with both of them.
You know, I kinda like the idea of Silver being a more optimistic (or at least, a stepford smiler) version of Homura Akemi. A character that, no matter how many times he travels to the past to fix the future, he always comes back to find that it's still fucked. Just in a different way from the last time. Yet still he presses on and continues to travel into the past in the desperate hope that one day, he'll finally fix it and get the future he wants. I can get behind something like that.
i think it could be a neat idea to tie the strength of silver's psychokinesis to his mental state. whenever silver is at his best, when he's confident, really hopeful, concentrated, inspired, or just feeling good about himself, he is able to use his psychokinesis to his fullest ability and with ease. However what if he loses that confidence, focus, determination, self positivity? It doesn't even have to be something big to cause it, he could just have a series of unlucky occurrences in a day. like stubbing your toe when you get out of bed, then finding out the shirt you wanted to wear today isnt dry yet so you have to wear a shirt you don't like, then finding out the milk you just poured into your bowl of cereal is expired, and it just sets a bad mood for the day. It could also be something bigger or threatening, but i think ya get the idea.
I like to think silver is pretty confident in his psychokinesis abilities, and so therefore he has an easy time controlling them even if he gets a little down once in a while. But what if someone or something planted a seed of doubt in his abilities, even if unintentional? Maybe he starts to worry that his psychokinesis abilities will just dissapear one day, even though he has had no trouble with it at all? Those worries of course, would start coming true, not because of some outside malevolent force or anything of that sort, but because he doesn't trust his abilities like he used to. The next time he has a not ideal day and tries to use his psychokinesis under that stress AND reduced confidence, it doesn't work and he goes into a spiral of depression and it feels like the world is crumbling around him as he knows it.
Or something similar to that :0
I just think that theres some untapped writing potential in silver's psychokinesis abilities. Even the most confident, kind, and hopeful people have a breaking point, and when they fall, they fall the hardest and the fastest, because they don't know how to handle the stress because they usually don't need to handle that stress. But they can get up, and they will get up, they just need some time and room for self care, and love from their friends and families. And when they are standing on two feet again, they are standing taller and prouder than they ever have.
I love that actually, it’s a great nerf for his powers that falls in line with his character!
Can we just appreciate how smooth these transitions are like i rewatched some of them nearly 4 times just Bc the editing, music and timing was perfect!! My personal favorite was when you said “y’all remember the time stones?” I honestly love the aesthetic of your videos!!
Man, I really like this, both for what it means for Silver *and especially* what it means for Shadow. After 06, he didn't have much to *do* besides working with Team Dark, so him becoming a mentor to Silver would help him find some more purpose in his life.
I liked how the comics explained why he was still in the past.
Basically because he changed the future he technically no longer exists, but instead of disappearing he was just put into a stable time loop/alternate reality type thing.
Bad future Silver->Past->fixing past=Good Silver Future
but Good Silver future would never have a reason to go back, so bad future Silver needs to exist, but Bad future Silver fixing the future makes him not exist.
So Bad future goes to past, and get's stuck in it to make that time loop.
So technically in the Sonic Universe we have two Silvers. A variation from his fixed timeline we will never see, and the one that we know that has no home to go back too.
(Okay that was not basic, but I do think it's a neat way to explain why he exists past 06)
11:25 BRUH SO FUNNY AND INFORMATIVE IN CHARACTER ARCS AT THE SAME TIME!
Bro how are you this sick? I love the music synced edits and all the complicated keyframe cropping you do it's just incredible. So unbelievably under rated!
That keep moving forwards part, at the end, also connects back to sonic's character in a very funny but extremely cool way. For as chopped up as ever charcter's story is their is an enormous amount of potential from them all they need to do is put that in a single game or story or something self contained
I want to see Silver act like he does in Tails Gets Trolled.
I honestly do think that Shadow would most likely understand Silver the most out of anyone else for the same reasons you explained they’re a lot more similar than ppl realize
is anyone here from the sonic 06 gen z perspective
I got hecking goosebumps twice just from the story possibilities presented in this video.
He is so underutilized, it's incredibly frustrating!
TWICE wow, *That’s* a compliment
It should have the abilities that Silver had in 06 and even maybe give him new powers also instead of using the boost gameplay, he can teleport, also he can have a new feature that he can dodge enemies attacks by pressing Y or freeze enemies for 10 seconds, also maybe have Blaze as like a second playable character that appears here and there during the game and you can do team up attacks that could do major damage against bosses and wipe out groups of Badniks also the story should have something to do with maybe Eggman nega but than after you “defeat” eggman nega, the future changes to an alternate version of the ending of Sonic Heroes or IDW sonic and in this alternate future, Metal Sonic won and took over the world and then he and Blaze have to team up to take down Neo Metal and the roboticized versions of the whole sonic cast (except silver and Blaze since well, they weren’t around in sonic heroes)
Such a freaking good video my man! I love Silver so much, hes just a Good Boy(TM) and i hate that he gets little to no proper development in the games. I adore his character in the recent comics tho, but i wish there was more. Videos like yours might help get the attention of SEGA at some point! Carry on, my good man!💕💕
Okay so for the whole "Shadow being Silver's immortal mentor" is an idea that I absolutely LOVE!!!!
This man just casually dropped better sonic lore than team sonic and the games ever could.
Sonic 06 was my first Sonic game as a kid, and of course it was a bad first impression. But since I was a kid, I didn’t see it that way. Glitches or not I was invested and through all that, the one thing that stuck out and isn’t utilized is Silver himself. He felt so different from the other characters and I was upset he was essentially a one-and-done character