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The idea of the braced grip as opposed to the clamped grip is big part of drumming form, so it was very interesting to hear it applied to swords. Of course the indian sword is wielded like an artist plays a drum, especially when the intent is to beat the opponent like one.
Excellent. I always tell my students that you have to adapt to the weapon not the other way around. This is a perfect example of this idea. Just fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
Wow these videos have been transformative! Thank you for sharing Shastra Vidya techniques. It's complementing my PTK background beautifully. These subtle changes in holding my stick and focusing on shoulder joint has made me instantly more precise and fluid. I feel like I have so much more practice and reps!
Hi, thank you for your kind words except that isn't us. This video is of Gurdev Nidar Singh who comes to teach at our school twice a year. But I'll pass on your compliments to him
So enlightening I never thought about the shoulders as so powerful in transforming martial movements though it's sort of obvious now like so many great things.
It is a very interesting rabbit hole to dive down. Shastra Vidya has a whole other way of looking at shoulders and shoulder mobility. However even if one doesn't do Shastra Vidya, having good shoulder mobility can help in every other martial art as well.
The things is that there were many warriors in medieval and ancient India who were taller than 7 feet. Maharaja Pratap, Rana Kumbh, Guru Hargobind Ji, Hari Singh, Rana Sangha, and many more. And they all used talwar.
Mahrana Pratap Would have been an exception, and i am not sure about how true that is. 6.8-6.9 would be the normal height i guess, and specifically for like people who can afford regular proper food in their childhood to grow that much. 7 feet would be rarer for any race(maybe not for a certain african tribe that has jumping rituals)
In 330 BC KULWANT KSHTRIYA PURSHOTTAM Vs GREEK Alexander,then after all.Then BAPPA RAWAL from Rajputana RAJASTHAN IN 1100, SAMRAT PRITHVIRAJ CHAUHAN IN 1200 DEFEATED MOHD GOHOURI 17 TIME Rana Sanghasingh ,Rana Ratansingh,Rana Udaysingh,after that VEER SHIROMANI FREEDOM FIGHTER SON OF SANATAN BHARAT BHUMI KULWANT KSHTRIYA SACRIFICE DEVOTEES OF SANATAN BHARATIYA MATRU BHUMI MAHARANA PRATAP SINGH etc.
Interesting how much of these fundamental sword mechanics are also used in Japanese Swordsmanship martial arts. The principle of holding the sword with the fingers and using tension and relaxation is called "Tenouchi"
@lighthavenindia you're welcome. I've been researching for years trying to trace as back as possible the origins of Japanese Sword techniques. I figured Shastar Vidya ਸ਼ਸਤਰ-ਵਿੱਦਿਆ would be what influenced Marīcī or where she gained her knowledge and eventually the wisdom made its way into China and then Japan through Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu.
@outboundflight4455 it's possible. Though I'm not sure at what point in history Shastra Vidya also started using this grip. My understanding of Shastra Vidya is that they want us to not use the wrist and instead focus on movements starting with the shoulder. Gurdev is coming for a seminar in February so I'll ask him more questions then about this. If you have some questions you'd like me to ask him let me know 😊
Excellent instructions! Thank you for demonstrating. These Principles are also used by Tai Chi Chuan, when pursued deeply enough to include weapons training. In particular, the Spilling of weight energy to initiate movements, the integration of Structure and the relaxation of the hands are methods which I used to think were unique to Chinese "Internal" Martial Arts such as Tai Chi and Xin Yi, until one of your students introduced me to Shastar Vidya. Great stuff! ☯️ 🙏 ☯️
I really think showing live sparring/fencing would add a lot of legitimacy to this very intriguing system. Please upload videos of tulwar fencing! We desperately want to see this system in action! Enjoying the content.
I do agree with you. I'm a huge proponent of sparring. Unfortunately Gurdev visits us twice a year for seminars and most of the time we have new people in these seminars who can barely swing a stick let a lone spar.
Similar techniques- shoulder and grip, are used in Chinease and Japanese martial arts, Eastern Europe step sabers, and several short type swords. Its all about the type of weapon you use and whats the art behind it. Great content
make give numbering to your videos about sashtra vidya..... and different types of shastra... not only swords but daggers, sheilds, spears and bown and arrows too..... pls im a big fan of yours and also make videos of strategies used in wars and battles
I want to thank you very very much for your efforts and goodwill, and also to the level and amount of knowledge that u have given me, I would like to ask you for a few more things, which is that you show us implementation and implications of a katana, varieties of katanas, chinese swords and other types of single-bladed and double bladed swords and moreover with long gripped swords. Thank you very much, it was utmost magnificent and heartwarming tto see someone from our country to showcase and propogate the desi-style of sword art.
Hi, Gurdev lives in the UK. Everytime he comes to Goa we host him for a seminar. So this isn't his official channel but he is here in November next. I'll pass on your message then. Thank you for your support
Thank you for sharing this, I am having a better understanding of the techniques involved with using this type of sword. Btw - that is a magnificent beard and mustache he has. 🙏👍😎
Baba ji ko pranam, Baba ji, i bought my first sword from Punjab and i myself got to know this trick while holding talwar। I want to learn indian talwar। How can i learn baba ji।
Gurdev Nidar Singh does not live in India. He has students who teach in Goa, in Delhi, in Gujarat etc etc. However best is to train with him directly. He will be coming to India next in February and March 2023
Just checked it. The sound pans to the right hand side post 15 seconds as we were using two mics to record. It could be an issue with your right side speaker. You could try with another device. Not sure what other solutions I could offer you 😞
I never believed in Bjyus or their intent in making Education or tuning as best. Just had this gut feeling, I stay near kormanagala sony signal where Bjyus for years had their shop, right on the costliest spot, which was pretty unnecessary. I have witnessed how many educational institutions evolving.
He's right about using the shoulder but I don't agree with him on the grip. The grip was held tight as it gave more power to the slashes. Also with a loose grip you will easily loose your sword I know Silambam, the dravidian staff fighting system from which the jogo do Pau was copied by the Portuguese. The English were too proud and uptight and stern to copy from the martial sports of the colonies.
While there are many similarities, I'm curious to know who in PTK has spoken about Grip in this way and the use of the shoulders in this way? I do see many similarities between the two arts but at the same time I've very rarely come across people in Pekiti who articulate these concepts. So I'd love to know where you heard them and how they were described to you? Your answer might help me understand the two arts better 🙏
@@lighthavenindia you may want to look into 64 attacks, there are only 3 real thrusts #5,8,9 technique#50 i would consider a push, so if a thrust is a slash you´ve got six from three, these are occupying the diagonal and horizontal lines, adding the concept of triV, you conquer the vertical line plus the idea of doubling up, Kit Acenas has a little drill as a morning routine, Tim Waid shows triV as his knife movement, it´s the essence of the system in my eyes, well only with the footwork of course
@@lighthavenindia further on GT Gaje always shows the different aspects of the thumb and forefinger, so the grip is threefingered, which is also what you´d see in HEMA and what Kendopractioners told me, wielding a hammer shows you the same idea, bodymovent in PTK is very similar to XingYi and Bagua in terms of how to use your spine
Yes I've done the original 64 attacks from GT and he has shown the thumb grip and there are similarities in technique especially if you go into 144 attacks which is amongst the oldest parts of PTK. But the engines that drive movement and the body mechanics are very different. There are many similarities in the principles of PTK and Shastra Vidya but the body mechanics are very different. Infact you will find it very hard to move a real antique Indian Sword with Kali body mechanics. But yes you'll find many common principles. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Really appreciate it :)
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We have these techniques in our Martial art also. These all have specific Assamese names.
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Where is this gurukul?
2:09 Legendary line 😂
😂😂yes
Shat Shat Naman to Baba Nidar Singh Nihang Ji ❤
He makes us feel so proud as Indians.
The idea of the braced grip as opposed to the clamped grip is big part of drumming form, so it was very interesting to hear it applied to swords. Of course the indian sword is wielded like an artist plays a drum, especially when the intent is to beat the opponent like one.
This is absolutely fantastic
Thank you 🙏
Excellent. I always tell my students that you have to adapt to the weapon not the other way around. This is a perfect example of this idea. Just fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for your kind words and support 🙏
This answers many of my favorite swordtubers who pondered what the disc pommel was meant for
Parnaam To Gurdev Ji 🙇 Thank you Tuhon for Sharing
Thank you sir ❤️
In some ways, similar to polish saber. Also, Italian saber uses the arms.
Wow these videos have been transformative! Thank you for sharing Shastra Vidya techniques. It's complementing my PTK background beautifully. These subtle changes in holding my stick and focusing on shoulder joint has made me instantly more precise and fluid. I feel like I have so much more practice and reps!
I'm glad it's helping.
It's done the same for me. Infact I've just released a video talking about my major take aways from training the art..
As a Escrima practitioner I enjoyed your knowledge ❤
🙏
@@lighthavenindia your HIGH LEVEL. NAMASTE
Hi, thank you for your kind words except that isn't us. This video is of Gurdev Nidar Singh who comes to teach at our school twice a year.
But I'll pass on your compliments to him
गुरुदेव निडरसिंह जी। 🙏
So enlightening I never thought about the shoulders as so powerful in transforming martial movements though it's sort of obvious now like so many great things.
It is a very interesting rabbit hole to dive down. Shastra Vidya has a whole other way of looking at shoulders and shoulder mobility. However even if one doesn't do Shastra Vidya, having good shoulder mobility can help in every other martial art as well.
Wouldn't this often result in dislocated shoulders?
The things is that there were many warriors in medieval and ancient India who were taller than 7 feet. Maharaja Pratap, Rana Kumbh, Guru Hargobind Ji, Hari Singh, Rana Sangha, and many more. And they all used talwar.
Nhi Pratap 7 feet nhi the...
I don't know how true this is
Mahrana Pratap Would have been an exception, and i am not sure about how true that is.
6.8-6.9 would be the normal height i guess, and specifically for like people who can afford regular proper food in their childhood to grow that much. 7 feet would be rarer for any race(maybe not for a certain african tribe that has jumping rituals)
Sikhs are gods of Bharath . We Hindus should worship wahe guru
In 330 BC KULWANT KSHTRIYA PURSHOTTAM Vs GREEK Alexander,then after all.Then BAPPA RAWAL from Rajputana RAJASTHAN IN 1100, SAMRAT PRITHVIRAJ CHAUHAN IN 1200 DEFEATED MOHD GOHOURI 17 TIME Rana Sanghasingh ,Rana Ratansingh,Rana Udaysingh,after that VEER SHIROMANI FREEDOM FIGHTER SON OF SANATAN BHARAT BHUMI KULWANT KSHTRIYA SACRIFICE DEVOTEES OF SANATAN BHARATIYA MATRU BHUMI MAHARANA PRATAP SINGH etc.
Interesting how much of these fundamental sword mechanics are also used in Japanese Swordsmanship martial arts. The principle of holding the sword with the fingers and using tension and relaxation is called "Tenouchi"
That's very interesting! Thank you for sharing that 🙏🙏😊
@lighthavenindia you're welcome. I've been researching for years trying to trace as back as possible the origins of Japanese Sword techniques. I figured Shastar Vidya
ਸ਼ਸਤਰ-ਵਿੱਦਿਆ would be what influenced Marīcī or where she gained her knowledge and eventually the wisdom made its way into China and then Japan through Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu.
@outboundflight4455 it's possible. Though I'm not sure at what point in history Shastra Vidya also started using this grip.
My understanding of Shastra Vidya is that they want us to not use the wrist and instead focus on movements starting with the shoulder.
Gurdev is coming for a seminar in February so I'll ask him more questions then about this.
If you have some questions you'd like me to ask him let me know 😊
An amazing video. I learned more in a couple minutes from this teacher than in many combined western videos on talwar
He does seminars all over the world. You should try and attend one if it happens near you. It's a very interesting art to train
Pranaaam tu real great nihang nidar singh baba ji koti koti pranaam🌼🌼🌼
Wow, amazing explanation, I never thought my ancestors used their swords with their shoulders!
It's a fascinating art
You can see the technique in akara workouts with gadas.
Great techniques explained 🙏🙏 Jay hind 👍💕💕
Thank you. Jai Hind
Excellent instructions! Thank you for demonstrating.
These Principles are also used by Tai Chi Chuan, when pursued deeply enough to include weapons training.
In particular, the Spilling of weight energy to initiate movements, the integration of Structure and the relaxation of the hands are methods which I used to think were unique to Chinese "Internal" Martial Arts such as Tai Chi and Xin Yi, until one of your students introduced me to Shastar Vidya. Great stuff! ☯️ 🙏 ☯️
this is awesome...cleared all my doubts of how my ancestors used to hold the weapon. thanks🙏
Ek umkar satnam blessings from Mauritius sanyasi veer singhji, hi guruji Tank's for this video demonstration marcial Art 👋💐❤️👌🇮🇳🇲🇺🇪🇺❤️❤️
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2:10 Paji is a savage 😂
Would love to see some full kit sparring.
I really think showing live sparring/fencing would add a lot of legitimacy to this very intriguing system. Please upload videos of tulwar fencing! We desperately want to see this system in action! Enjoying the content.
I do agree with you. I'm a huge proponent of sparring. Unfortunately Gurdev visits us twice a year for seminars and most of the time we have new people in these seminars who can barely swing a stick let a lone spar.
Fascinating. Thank you for explaining this.
Similar techniques- shoulder and grip, are used in Chinease and Japanese martial arts, Eastern Europe step sabers, and several short type swords. Its all about the type of weapon you use and whats the art behind it. Great content
make give numbering to your videos about sashtra vidya..... and different types of shastra... not only swords but daggers, sheilds, spears and bown and arrows too..... pls im a big fan of yours and also make videos of strategies used in wars and battles
I want to thank you very very much for your efforts and goodwill, and also to the level and amount of knowledge that u have given me,
I would like to ask you for a few more things, which is that you show us implementation and implications of a katana, varieties of katanas, chinese swords and other types of single-bladed and double bladed swords and moreover with long gripped swords.
Thank you very much, it was utmost magnificent and heartwarming tto see someone from our country to showcase and propogate the desi-style of sword art.
Hi, Gurdev lives in the UK. Everytime he comes to Goa we host him for a seminar.
So this isn't his official channel but he is here in November next. I'll pass on your message then.
Thank you for your support
@@lighthavenindia thank you very much and welcome 🤗
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Thank you for sharing this, I am having a better understanding of the techniques involved with using this type of sword. Btw - that is a magnificent beard and mustache he has. 🙏👍😎
Thank you for watching and commenting 😊🙏
Can you please suggest where to get genuine sword ?🙏
so no snap cut using the wrist extension?
now i understand the techniques my parents use when i get in trouble with them
excellent! Very instructive. Also explains clearly the false claims that such swords are for small hands. so fun
Baba ji ko pranam,
Baba ji, i bought my first sword from Punjab and i myself got to know this trick while holding talwar।
I want to learn indian talwar। How can i learn baba ji।
Hare Krishna Gurudev Maharadž! Sadly there is no voice in this video. Hari bol.
I just checked this and the voice is fine. Try reloading the video and see if it changes.
On my browser and phone it's working fine
I want to learn the kshatriya war art from him to protect the dharma. Where can I meet him ??
Tuhanu namaskaar hai ji. Nihang singhan nu punjab vich hinduan te sikhan nu shastra vidya dwni chahidi hai.
How to join for self defence
mystical & inspiring, keep sharing....
Thank you
The english accent made me crack a smile :)
Very Informative Video 😍
Thank you
cool
Do you teach online as well sir
There is an official Sanatan Shastra Vidya app made by Gurdev. You can search for it on both apple and android
2:10 their brains are small 😂
Babaji’s reflexes💯
They are great
Excellent 👍👍
Thank you 🙏
How can we get it learnt physically in India . Please throw some light on this issue . Any camps , video classes .
Gurdev is coming back to India in February and March and will be teaching in many cities. You can Google if he is coming to your city
Vikings also had small hilts on their swords and you can't say they were small
SAT SHREE AKAL
What happened to the volume???
Please try reloading the video. This is a glitch that sometimes happens. But if you reload it should be ok.
Well that's something new.
I've been hosting Gurdev Nidar Singh at my school since 2018 and this art has made my understanding of the Filipino Martial Arts much deeper.
He is the rebirth of Arjun
He do same like Arjun of sanathan dharma arth.
Where is the campus situated in India?
delhi
@@puneetthakur3378 can you please tell me the actual address?
Gurdev Nidar Singh does not live in India. He has students who teach in Goa, in Delhi, in Gujarat etc etc.
However best is to train with him directly. He will be coming to India next in February and March 2023
@@lighthavenindia okay thank you very much for sharing information
Hope Scholagladiatoria is taking notes
That geezer started opening his mouth decades ago, and never took notes when a man was teaching. He doesn't know how to listen - only how to talk.
Lol he wont, he sticks with hema which is very non flow in movesets
@@royalecrafts6252 agree he should stick to his own style
Exactly 💯
Take notes? Likely. But practice not really.
But it would be amazing to see more sparring footage of this Indian martial arts.
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They're brains are small 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you got me on that one LMAO 🤣
so is yours brother
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This happens sometimes. It's a problem with UA-cam. Refresh the page and it should work fine.
@@lighthavenindia The sound stops at [0:15].
Just checked it. The sound pans to the right hand side post 15 seconds as we were using two mics to record.
It could be an issue with your right side speaker. You could try with another device. Not sure what other solutions I could offer you 😞
@@lighthavenindia Thanks, will try.
Guess my brain is too small to still not understand some of the basics but interesting
The brain won't be able to until the body does the action
@@lighthavenindia ahhhh.....cause what the body does not feel....the difference can't be understood without experience?
The martial arts cannot be understood without the body. Then it's just theory without basis in reality.
@@lighthavenindia is still just theory if you dont use it for deadly confrontation or try it in an actual setting practice
@@royalecrafts6252people used this in wars for thousands of years.
EVEN THE SMALL POOCH IS ALSO EGERLY LEARNING
She our most talented student
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I never believed in Bjyus or their intent in making Education or tuning as best. Just had this gut feeling, I stay near kormanagala sony signal where Bjyus for years had their shop, right on the costliest spot, which was pretty unnecessary. I have witnessed how many educational institutions evolving.
Babeo please speak Punjabi
He has many many students not everyone speaks punjabi
Sounds good. Any proper sparring videos of that to show to us small-brained Europeans?
It's too dangerous
@@vijayvijay4123 Not if you are wearing proper gear. See, these guys are doing it ua-cam.com/video/bZR-GpCaIzY/v-deo.html
Just kidding
This book sheds more light on this subject
Sword fighters of British India - D. A Kinsley
He's right about using the shoulder but I don't agree with him on the grip. The grip was held tight as it gave more power to the slashes. Also with a loose grip you will easily loose your sword
I know Silambam, the dravidian staff fighting system from which the jogo do Pau was copied by the Portuguese.
The English were too proud and uptight and stern to copy from the martial sports of the colonies.
Small brained 🤣
surprisesurprise the grip idea is totally PTK, so is the rest
While there are many similarities, I'm curious to know who in PTK has spoken about Grip in this way and the use of the shoulders in this way?
I do see many similarities between the two arts but at the same time I've very rarely come across people in Pekiti who articulate these concepts.
So I'd love to know where you heard them and how they were described to you?
Your answer might help me understand the two arts better 🙏
@@lighthavenindia you may want to look into 64 attacks, there are only 3 real thrusts #5,8,9 technique#50 i would consider a push, so if a thrust is a slash you´ve got six from three, these are occupying the diagonal and horizontal lines, adding the concept of triV, you conquer the vertical line plus the idea of doubling up, Kit Acenas has a little drill as a morning routine, Tim Waid shows triV as his knife movement, it´s the essence of the system in my eyes, well only with the footwork of course
@@lighthavenindia further on GT Gaje always shows the different aspects of the thumb and forefinger, so the grip is threefingered, which is also what you´d see in HEMA and what Kendopractioners told me, wielding a hammer shows you the same idea, bodymovent in PTK is very similar to XingYi and Bagua in terms of how to use your spine
Yes I've done the original 64 attacks from GT and he has shown the thumb grip and there are similarities in technique especially if you go into 144 attacks which is amongst the oldest parts of PTK.
But the engines that drive movement and the body mechanics are very different.
There are many similarities in the principles of PTK and Shastra Vidya but the body mechanics are very different. Infact you will find it very hard to move a real antique Indian Sword with Kali body mechanics.
But yes you'll find many common principles.
Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Really appreciate it :)
Like Bruce Lee said, we all have 2 arms and 2 legs, so different martial arts will have similarities with each other.
Me v guru g apke pas talwar sikhne aunga 🇮🇳🙏🏻
Jai kshtriya dharma