Even though its boring i'll take straight up damage increase over the sequences that changes a playstyle of a character , locks a vital part of a characters kit or changes a characters whole role. It all sounds good in paper but as a customer it sucks when you feel fomo for a damn sequence. Dupes should exist for the people that wants more power from their favorite characters not to fix a half cooked character
Yeah I just don't want something like Acheron's E2, Firefly's E1, DHIL's E2, Jade's E1 or the upcoming Feixiao's E2 in HSR. All of those feel like they should have been included in the base kit.
@@sanguin3 Acheron's being included would literally defeat the point of her NOT using harmonies. DHIL's E2 also is just way too strong for the base kit, and really? Firefly's? dont know about the others
I’m strongly against having a significant mechanism change in sequence. People would have thought the sequence is an addition to the character, but what really happens is you are getting a watered down version at 0 sequence. If Changli is born in Genshin, we will need S1 to cast a second resonance skill, S4 charges forte bar after liberation, and the burning clothe effect probably gonna sit on S6. The sequence should be all about numbers and minor mechanism changes such as Yinlin’s s6. I wouldn’t mind Kurt putting a higher price tag on skins or some fancy SFX, and I will be more than happy to pay for it disregard the price. But I don’t want to feel that I’m forced to pay sequences to have a “complete” character.
Honestly wouldnt be bad if it was given to characters who need the +3 talents but thing is they give it to every character when some of those characters dont even need them
IMO, The Sequence in this game was handled better than Genshin. At least for now, I see that Sequence is good at certain characters/worth to get it if you're committed to a certain character, even Jinhsi S1 is enough for enhancing your damage output Edit: And not to mention, the Genshin constellation system is altering the playstyle, not enhancing the character but straight up changing their playstyle which makes the skills-related thing nonexistent
Imo, why we only have straight damage upgrade for sequence chain is because kuro put the gameplay altering upgrade for resonator upgrade in depth of illusive realm. Again Imo some of the upgrade from the realm should be a sequence chain like changli's "rising spirit" upgrade that make all her true sight move invulnerable.
Lets see for genshit: Hu tao without c1 is anoying to play and can cause you to die. Ayaka without c2 doesnt fell good for aoe fights. Klee kit is locked on c4....wich should be a base ability C2 on eula actuly fixes her energy added problems Raiden without c2 is seriosly damage nerfed from what she represents. Yelan needs c1 to keep her bust up. Nahida damage is low without c2 that remove the restriction. Dehya pretty much needs to be C6, to have at least some damage of standard 5 star XD Oh let me not talk abauth Mulani as she is broken. Also Jianxin c1 is needed if you play her with shield in mind as you can fill it out faster than normal and save time for your main dps. And main important thing ---- cons are pointless for us free to play players. You are better of using corals and increase pity on banner for next unit.
Holy shii. Wuwa players are so delusional that they can't stop comparing wuwa with genshin. Even tho the video has nothing to do with genshin. And yall call genshin players toxic.
@@JyGproductions Baka -- most of wuwa players are genshit players. And they are the closest comparison. Mihoyo just likes to milk us of money and providing a worse product. (neuvilete nerf cough cough)
@@JyGproductions We were the ones calling WuWa copy at the annoncement in 2022 ort thr CBT in 2023? You like attacking other fan base but don't like to be attacked. How funny you are....
I still like the wuwa sequence more than genshin's cons.. Increasing just dmg is simple and you can go if you want or not.. In genshin some of the cons are like "you need them to make the character work properly like c1 Wriothesley" or "you need the constellation to unlock a broken as f constellation like how we need raiden c1 to unlock her c2" And some character's most of the constellation are kinda useless.. looking at hu tao only c1 was op and c2-3 is like yeah dmg increase..then we have c4 which is shit in st.. then c6 idk why that even exists.. and raiden c4-6 is support/ quality of life increase but really? You want to spend for a con that doesn't even increase the team dmg by a lot and which is C4-6? Wuwa's every 5* character's S4 is team supportive.. plus their last 2 sequences are always wayy too much dmg like 2× dmg.. unlike some 5 seconds cooldown reduction for a C6.. So the wuwa sequence is better balanced, not needed but not bad either.
Enjoyed the video, Jiangxian to me is a great example of Good LBs, increasing her E usage and the instant air palms from S6 really change up the way the character feels in a good way, to me even nodes that changes up you're rotation are great like gaining resonance energy. Thanks for the mention btw.
the only copies I absolutely hate are the ones which don't give any 'buffs'. for example: * Yelan's C1 (Genshin Impact) gives you a second skill charge. yes, having an additional charge is great, for water elemental application and especially for map traversal (as genshin overworld travel is awful.) * Jianxin C2 (wuthering waves) give you a second skill charge. This isn't so great, as her skill dmg is pretty low and her role is to buff allies' ultimate, though the energy/concerto regeneration is pretty good. For both characters the additional charge is pretty useful, but I would've rather had both of them already having the second charge as a part of the base kit.
Idk yelan is ar so strong at c0, its significant stronger with 2 charges I also would like to have 2 charges clorindes Skill, so i dont need thundering or have downtime
@@Nesteayy I get what you're saying, but for what can be up to 180 pulls (~$300) just to get a copy, only getting the ability to press E twice is not worth it in my opinion. yes you don't need it, but genshin traversal is so shit, getting two E from Yeland makes travelling so much nicer at that time. Though that's a more underlying issue with genshin. I just don't like how a game sells characters that are clunky unless you spend all your currency and money to make the playability of said character better, is gross (looking at you, E2 DHIL and E2 Seele from HSR)
That's why I didn't S2 my Jinhsi because she's already good even at S0, she can clear stages with F2P teams so I think wasting astrites for sequence is a bad Idea for F2P, I rather pull for her support like Zhezhi. I think worthiest sequence to get rightnow is Verina S2, quality of life changing and quite broken. S2 helps breakinf shield, energy regen and aswell more s.
High S Kills ur own enjoyment anyways Other units will feel trash after u have a op strong unit S2+ Even jinshi at s0 have this issue, she is so strong that other units feel weak Im not the biggest fan of units which stay out of the normal range of power, so i dont pull archons over c0 and other units max C2
i cant disagree with this video premise enough. having people c6 a character in order to enjoy a fun play style is extremely predatory. I loathed genshin constellations because of this.
S1 and 2 are usually QOL and a tiny damage boost, at S 3 they start to give a bigger damage boost, S 4 is usually a team wide buff, and S5 and 6 give a massive damage buff, except for 4 stars, their S6 boosts their team supporting and buffing more.
back before the game released in the CBT, I remember they locked the cool ass intro skill Calchero has after you use his Resonance Liberation behind one of his Sequences, and everyone was upset with it. So upset that Kuro made it part of his base kit. I like to think that they learned their lesson and put a stop to them locking off major parts of a characters kit behind Sequences.
I'm on the fence about sequences. My only other gacha game is Genshin Impact and I don't go for constellations in 5*s in that game. It's not because they're not worth it (e.g. Raiden C2, Furina C2, Neuvillette C1, Nahida C2, Wriothesley C1, Hu Tao C1...) it's because I don't like thinking that after up to 180 pulls (like 3-4 months of grinding) you got a less good version of this 5*. Hoyo could have just made the character better, but decided to lock their power behind getting a second, third, etc. copy... which is another up to 180 wishes away. In other words, it almost takes a F2P a year to get a C2 Nahida, Furina, or Raiden. It's not even that easy to whale for them because the largest genesis crystal pack at most is 6400 + 6400 primos, which is only 80 wishes, and that's $120 CAD. Screw that. For WuWa, I'm going to go for signature weapons once I have the characters I want: Jiyan, Changli, Yinlin, Jinshi and Xiangli Yao. I just want to see if it makes a real difference. I'm not going for sequences, because I feel each of these characters is strong enough already. I really want a little more vertical investment in WuWa because I think skill matter more than in Genshin. Not that there isn't skill in Genshin, but it's more important to have the right teams in that game for the Abyss and Imaginarium Theatre than to know how to dodge everything. WuWa, I feel like skill will carry me further and I don't want to be bogged down with like 65 characters (like in Genshin). I want to have like 10-20 very well built characters.
I like copies which buffs or adds somethings to other characters ( dmg types , attack types etc ) which affects team building and gives more options to it.
I think sequences are great the way they are ! You get a complete character at low investment. And since all sequences are *good* damage increases, once the game starts powercreeping, instead of feeling forced to pull for the new characters like most gachas do, you can choose to get their sequences from reruns and waveband shop to keep your fave characters up to date !
For me? Making a fully maxed duped character play entirely different compared to their base is a very greedy way of handling a dupe system. It feels like their base design is an incomplete version and their full kit is locked behind a massive paywall. Now don't get me wrong we know that's Hoyo's way of implementing massive FOMO and has worked for years that's why I don't want to see that kind of system in WuWa anymore.
I don't feel as much need to get sequences for 5-stars specifically in WuWa as I did in Genshin, which I really appreciate. Leaves more resources for getting new characters
I LOVEEEEE how they dont change the characters gameplay and its more or less juat damage increase.. perdect for me i dont feel the need to have them and i can instead keep getting every new character 😎
When at S4 or higher, Jhinsi becomes an absolutely bonkers Burst Sub DPS. Not that anyone wants to play her that way, but its something to take note of.
I personally think that the most usefull Sequence is the fifth one from Baizhi, even tho you probably dont want to use it, it can be usefull to have + Baizhi is a 4 Star and 4 Stars are pretty easy to get rn.
I heavily disagree with locking gameplay elements behind sequences personally, so I'm 100% okay with Kuro's current design choice to just add more damage.
IMO, what you discussed in the video is seriously the same as Arknight gadget system. The way Arknight gadgets operate is by changing what the operator or character does in the game, such as having a debuff when attacking, SP gain is double, give poison to enemy each attack or have enemy afflict freeze when hit. While the changes aren't that big but Arknight is a tower defence game, so those kinds of changes are enormous for the player. And best of all.. It's FREE!! Just unlock it with material like you upgrade your weapon or skill. No gacha needed.
Most of the time on changli i swap out so i do that true sight attack to not get staggered but her s1 does seem very nice. Yeah not worth the price but im gonna try to get
You need to put genshin in the title for the views it seems, do another comparison video, because genshin lives rent free in wuthering waves fans head, thats why it brings views 😂😂😂
@@VILD-p7d hey necroposting a two week old comments great job, I hope you stay triggered, because you know what I said is fact 😂did I hurt your little feelings.
The sequences system is kind of badly designed ngl The issue is because of how you can buy sequences in the shop, typically S1 for most 5s unit are pretty underwhelming, Jinhsi is the only exception to this. The power spike is usually at S2 or S3 This put them in a pretty awkward situation where if you're a Dolphin and can only afford S1 on a unit, you dont really get a big power spike unless you also spend another 360 corals for S2 which are going to take awhile. Not to mention with weapon banner being so good, they usually take priority over sequences basically, in WuWa the ~240-300 pulls investment range are kind of shitty for most character
Even though its boring i'll take straight up damage increase over the sequences that changes a playstyle of a character , locks a vital part of a characters kit or changes a characters whole role. It all sounds good in paper but as a customer it sucks when you feel fomo for a damn sequence. Dupes should exist for the people that wants more power from their favorite characters not to fix a half cooked character
They put kit changing upgrade in skill tree instead, smart move, imo.
Hu Tao being fucking ass to play in genshin impact without C1 is a good example...
I remember Calcharo`s special Intro skill was locked behind C2 in CBT, but it was changed on release because people complained about fomo.
Yeah I just don't want something like Acheron's E2, Firefly's E1, DHIL's E2, Jade's E1 or the upcoming Feixiao's E2 in HSR.
All of those feel like they should have been included in the base kit.
@@sanguin3 Acheron's being included would literally defeat the point of her NOT using harmonies. DHIL's E2 also is just way too strong for the base kit, and really? Firefly's? dont know about the others
I’m strongly against having a significant mechanism change in sequence. People would have thought the sequence is an addition to the character, but what really happens is you are getting a watered down version at 0 sequence. If Changli is born in Genshin, we will need S1 to cast a second resonance skill, S4 charges forte bar after liberation, and the burning clothe effect probably gonna sit on S6.
The sequence should be all about numbers and minor mechanism changes such as Yinlin’s s6. I wouldn’t mind Kurt putting a higher price tag on skins or some fancy SFX, and I will be more than happy to pay for it disregard the price. But I don’t want to feel that I’m forced to pay sequences to have a “complete” character.
You're truly rigth 🤔
Just the fact that Kuro was more creative than Hoyo with buffs that actually do things is enough.
+3 to a talent level, twice? What a fucking joke.
This!
not to mention some characters don't benefit from their skill or ult being upgraded
Honestly wouldnt be bad if it was given to characters who need the +3 talents but thing is they give it to every character when some of those characters dont even need them
IMO, The Sequence in this game was handled better than Genshin. At least for now, I see that Sequence is good at certain characters/worth to get it if you're committed to a certain character, even Jinhsi S1 is enough for enhancing your damage output
Edit: And not to mention, the Genshin constellation system is altering the playstyle, not enhancing the character but straight up changing their playstyle which makes the skills-related thing nonexistent
Imo, why we only have straight damage upgrade for sequence chain is because kuro put the gameplay altering upgrade for resonator upgrade in depth of illusive realm.
Again Imo some of the upgrade from the realm should be a sequence chain like changli's "rising spirit" upgrade that make all her true sight move invulnerable.
Lets see for genshit:
Hu tao without c1 is anoying to play and can cause you to die.
Ayaka without c2 doesnt fell good for aoe fights.
Klee kit is locked on c4....wich should be a base ability
C2 on eula actuly fixes her energy added problems
Raiden without c2 is seriosly damage nerfed from what she represents.
Yelan needs c1 to keep her bust up.
Nahida damage is low without c2 that remove the restriction.
Dehya pretty much needs to be C6, to have at least some damage of standard 5 star XD
Oh let me not talk abauth Mulani as she is broken.
Also Jianxin c1 is needed if you play her with shield in mind as you can fill it out faster than normal and save time for your main dps.
And main important thing ---- cons are pointless for us free to play players. You are better of using corals and increase pity on banner for next unit.
oooof i forgot how dogshit hutaos playstyle was without her c1 we definitely dont want another thing like that on wuwa ever
Holy shii. Wuwa players are so delusional that they can't stop comparing wuwa with genshin. Even tho the video has nothing to do with genshin. And yall call genshin players toxic.
@@JyGproductions Baka -- most of wuwa players are genshit players.
And they are the closest comparison.
Mihoyo just likes to milk us of money and providing a worse product. (neuvilete nerf cough cough)
@@JyGproductions bruh this literal video makes the genshin and wuwa comparison
@@JyGproductions We were the ones calling WuWa copy at the annoncement in 2022 ort thr CBT in 2023? You like attacking other fan base but don't like to be attacked. How funny you are....
Imagine having to get multiple copy of characters before they can be deemed viable. Peak cashgrab game design
Good thing wuwa chars are fine without copy
I still like the wuwa sequence more than genshin's cons..
Increasing just dmg is simple and you can go if you want or not..
In genshin some of the cons are like "you need them to make the character work properly like c1 Wriothesley" or "you need the constellation to unlock a broken as f constellation like how we need raiden c1 to unlock her c2"
And some character's most of the constellation are kinda useless.. looking at hu tao only c1 was op and c2-3 is like yeah dmg increase..then we have c4 which is shit in st.. then c6 idk why that even exists.. and raiden c4-6 is support/ quality of life increase but really? You want to spend for a con that doesn't even increase the team dmg by a lot and which is C4-6?
Wuwa's every 5* character's S4 is team supportive.. plus their last 2 sequences are always wayy too much dmg like 2× dmg.. unlike some 5 seconds cooldown reduction for a C6..
So the wuwa sequence is better balanced, not needed but not bad either.
Enjoyed the video, Jiangxian to me is a great example of Good LBs, increasing her E usage and the instant air palms from S6 really change up the way the character feels in a good way, to me even nodes that changes up you're rotation are great like gaining resonance energy. Thanks for the mention btw.
I agree, and I am looking forward to getting Jianxin sequences myself. Thanks for the footage as well!
@@VoidEnigma np glad to be of help, keep up the good stuff.
the only copies I absolutely hate are the ones which don't give any 'buffs'. for example:
* Yelan's C1 (Genshin Impact) gives you a second skill charge. yes, having an additional charge is great, for water elemental application and especially for map traversal (as genshin overworld travel is awful.)
* Jianxin C2 (wuthering waves) give you a second skill charge. This isn't so great, as her skill dmg is pretty low and her role is to buff allies' ultimate, though the energy/concerto regeneration is pretty good.
For both characters the additional charge is pretty useful, but I would've rather had both of them already having the second charge as a part of the base kit.
Idk yelan is ar so strong at c0, its significant stronger with 2 charges
I also would like to have 2 charges clorindes Skill, so i dont need thundering or have downtime
@@Nesteayy I get what you're saying, but for what can be up to 180 pulls (~$300) just to get a copy, only getting the ability to press E twice is not worth it in my opinion. yes you don't need it, but genshin traversal is so shit, getting two E from Yeland makes travelling so much nicer at that time. Though that's a more underlying issue with genshin.
I just don't like how a game sells characters that are clunky unless you spend all your currency and money to make the playability of said character better, is gross (looking at you, E2 DHIL and E2 Seele from HSR)
That's why I didn't S2 my Jinhsi because she's already good even at S0, she can clear stages with F2P teams so I think wasting astrites for sequence is a bad Idea for F2P, I rather pull for her support like Zhezhi.
I think worthiest sequence to get rightnow is Verina S2, quality of life changing and quite broken. S2 helps breakinf shield, energy regen and aswell more s.
High S Kills ur own enjoyment anyways
Other units will feel trash after u have a op strong unit S2+
Even jinshi at s0 have this issue, she is so strong that other units feel weak
Im not the biggest fan of units which stay out of the normal range of power, so i dont pull archons over c0 and other units max C2
i cant disagree with this video premise enough. having people c6 a character in order to enjoy a fun play style is extremely predatory. I loathed genshin constellations because of this.
S1 and 2 are usually QOL and a tiny damage boost, at S 3 they start to give a bigger damage boost, S 4 is usually a team wide buff, and S5 and 6 give a massive damage buff, except for 4 stars, their S6 boosts their team supporting and buffing more.
back before the game released in the CBT, I remember they locked the cool ass intro skill Calchero has after you use his Resonance Liberation behind one of his Sequences, and everyone was upset with it. So upset that Kuro made it part of his base kit. I like to think that they learned their lesson and put a stop to them locking off major parts of a characters kit behind Sequences.
I'm on the fence about sequences. My only other gacha game is Genshin Impact and I don't go for constellations in 5*s in that game. It's not because they're not worth it (e.g. Raiden C2, Furina C2, Neuvillette C1, Nahida C2, Wriothesley C1, Hu Tao C1...) it's because I don't like thinking that after up to 180 pulls (like 3-4 months of grinding) you got a less good version of this 5*. Hoyo could have just made the character better, but decided to lock their power behind getting a second, third, etc. copy... which is another up to 180 wishes away. In other words, it almost takes a F2P a year to get a C2 Nahida, Furina, or Raiden. It's not even that easy to whale for them because the largest genesis crystal pack at most is 6400 + 6400 primos, which is only 80 wishes, and that's $120 CAD. Screw that.
For WuWa, I'm going to go for signature weapons once I have the characters I want: Jiyan, Changli, Yinlin, Jinshi and Xiangli Yao. I just want to see if it makes a real difference. I'm not going for sequences, because I feel each of these characters is strong enough already. I really want a little more vertical investment in WuWa because I think skill matter more than in Genshin. Not that there isn't skill in Genshin, but it's more important to have the right teams in that game for the Abyss and Imaginarium Theatre than to know how to dodge everything. WuWa, I feel like skill will carry me further and I don't want to be bogged down with like 65 characters (like in Genshin). I want to have like 10-20 very well built characters.
I like copies which buffs or adds somethings to other characters ( dmg types , attack types etc ) which affects team building and gives more options to it.
I think sequences are great the way they are ! You get a complete character at low investment. And since all sequences are *good* damage increases, once the game starts powercreeping, instead of feeling forced to pull for the new characters like most gachas do, you can choose to get their sequences from reruns and waveband shop to keep your fave characters up to date !
For me? Making a fully maxed duped character play entirely different compared to their base is a very greedy way of handling a dupe system.
It feels like their base design is an incomplete version and their full kit is locked behind a massive paywall. Now don't get me wrong we know that's Hoyo's way of implementing massive FOMO and has worked for years that's why I don't want to see that kind of system in WuWa anymore.
I don't feel as much need to get sequences for 5-stars specifically in WuWa as I did in Genshin, which I really appreciate. Leaves more resources for getting new characters
i like the sequences more than constellations/eidolons since they dont have sequences that are just filler like c3/5 and e3/5
I LOVEEEEE how they dont change the characters gameplay and its more or less juat damage increase.. perdect for me i dont feel the need to have them and i can instead keep getting every new character 😎
When at S4 or higher, Jhinsi becomes an absolutely bonkers Burst Sub DPS. Not that anyone wants to play her that way, but its something to take note of.
I personally think that the most usefull Sequence is the fifth one from Baizhi, even tho you probably dont want to use it, it can be usefull to have + Baizhi is a 4 Star and 4 Stars are pretty easy to get rn.
I heavily disagree with locking gameplay elements behind sequences personally, so I'm 100% okay with Kuro's current design choice to just add more damage.
IMO, what you discussed in the video is seriously the same as Arknight gadget system. The way Arknight gadgets operate is by changing what the operator or character does in the game, such as having a debuff when attacking, SP gain is double, give poison to enemy each attack or have enemy afflict freeze when hit.
While the changes aren't that big but Arknight is a tower defence game, so those kinds of changes are enormous for the player. And best of all.. It's FREE!! Just unlock it with material like you upgrade your weapon or skill. No gacha needed.
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Most of the time on changli i swap out so i do that true sight attack to not get staggered but her s1 does seem very nice. Yeah not worth the price but im gonna try to get
Jinshi s1/2/3 were good
I rather spend corals and get a character at S0 then not have the character and have 1 character or 2 at S1
You need to put genshin in the title for the views it seems, do another comparison video, because genshin lives rent free in wuthering waves fans head, thats why it brings views 😂😂😂
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Kinda agree on Sequences are just flat out damage increases nothing amazing or fun, pretty meh I guess.
The sequences system is kind of badly designed ngl
The issue is because of how you can buy sequences in the shop, typically S1 for most 5s unit are pretty underwhelming, Jinhsi is the only exception to this. The power spike is usually at S2 or S3
This put them in a pretty awkward situation where if you're a Dolphin and can only afford S1 on a unit, you dont really get a big power spike unless you also spend another 360 corals for S2 which are going to take awhile. Not to mention with weapon banner being so good, they usually take priority over sequences
basically, in WuWa the ~240-300 pulls investment range are kind of shitty for most character