Moneyball: 'What is the Problem?' Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) w/ Oakland A's Scouts in Meeting CLEAN

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  • Опубліковано 26 чер 2019
  • This is an edited scene from the 2011 movie Moneyball. I don't own ANY rights to this movie!
    Identifying the core, underlying issue of a bad situation is sometimes a lot harder than identifying the smaller manifestations of that underlying issue. Going to the source takes clarity and courage.
    If you want to know who has the rights to this movie, you'll have to check with some combination of the following folks:
    Columbia Pictures. Sony Home Entertainment, Scott Rudin Productions, Michael De Luca Productions & Plan B Entertainment
    The movie was edited by Christopher Tellefsen, who, if you are reading this, I apologize for cutting up this amazing scene but in this particular case we needed the 'colorful' description by a scout of a player's confidence removed and we needed Brad Pitt's character to not say that one word he said.
    From Wikipedia:
    Moneyball is a 2011 American sports film directed by Bennett Miller and written by Steven Zaillian and Aaron Sorkin. The film is based on Michael Lewis's 2003 nonfiction book of the same name, an account of the Oakland Athletics baseball team's 2002 season and their general manager Billy Beane's attempts to assemble a competitive team.
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  • @alrom125
    @alrom125 3 роки тому +1653

    “If he’s a good hitter how come he don’t hit good” 😂😂

    • @latinolawdog5067
      @latinolawdog5067 3 роки тому +100

      Notice how they can’t answer such a simple question. Why is he not performing? “Oh well, um, you see, what happened is. Yada yada yada...”

    • @bradaform7285
      @bradaform7285 3 роки тому +17

      That line, him tipping his desk over and throwing his chair are my top 3 from this movie. Desk might be be funniest. Cuz I’ve done stuff like that but never with such a calm voice ya feel?

    • @califinn
      @califinn 3 роки тому +10

      Seems so simple right? Only Beane was actually calling things out like they were.

    • @subutaynoyan5372
      @subutaynoyan5372 3 роки тому +17

      Old vs New, they just don't want to look at facts and read stats. Because that would need actuall insight
      This is quite a common thing, people like that believe that knowledge is something you collect. They just learn a method and stick to it. Because it was functioning for so much time.
      They don't know how to discover knowledge, never learned how to learn things.

    • @markboston9303
      @markboston9303 3 роки тому +1

      Considering the launch angle and 3 outcome variance, the scouts seemed to be ahead of the current evolution if you think about it

  • @Kevincarlloven
    @Kevincarlloven 3 роки тому +1264

    I love the old guy saying "his girlfriends a 6 at best"

    • @MalikEmmanuel
      @MalikEmmanuel 3 роки тому +19

      Average at best

    • @tommydewitt8583
      @tommydewitt8583 3 роки тому +4

      Me too!

    • @matthinkel7823
      @matthinkel7823 3 роки тому +37

      Ugly girlfriend means no confidence!

    • @awkwardminotaur
      @awkwardminotaur 3 роки тому +6

      Deputy chief Art Mullen from Justified on FX

    • @andrewroberts7428
      @andrewroberts7428 3 роки тому +14

      i would have fired that person as, ironically, i would have no confidence in their ability to credibly evaluate talent

  • @cheefussmith9380
    @cheefussmith9380 3 роки тому +761

    "Who's Fabio?" so many great throw-away lines in this movie..hell this scene alone. "he's a shortstop from seattle"

    • @blacjackdaniels200
      @blacjackdaniels200 3 роки тому +8

      Stolen from “The Scout”
      (Scouts talking in stands and Yankee scout talking about King Kong)
      Al-Let me tell you how it works..You walk into the jungle. You come out with Kong, you’re a hero. You forget about last night’s game.
      Scout 1-Who’s Kong?
      Scout 2-Catcher, Iowa State.
      Al-No! The ANIMAL in the MOVIES..forget jt

    • @terrancethomas9792
      @terrancethomas9792 2 роки тому +8

      Fabio doesn’t hit his weight, he hits the length of his hair.

    • @shanehollister8976
      @shanehollister8976 2 роки тому

      These lines were not great. U r a fool

    • @vincentcardillo701
      @vincentcardillo701 Рік тому +1

      Ancient scouts. Entire organization needed an overhaul.

  • @whaddup5417
    @whaddup5417 3 роки тому +1050

    This entire scene is just the perfect segue way into behavioral economics. Not just the human biases on full display, but the willingness to play a losing game just because it’s all you’ve learned so far. Ask yourself why you’re trying to do what you’re doing. Are you actually on the best path towards what you want? Or are you just fitting an old narrative for how one should get that?

    • @jamesteegardner2273
      @jamesteegardner2273 3 роки тому +16

      Excellent comment my friend, EXCELLENT!

    • @paulflis4127
      @paulflis4127 3 роки тому +24

      This comment should be at the top. This scene is exemplary of how we can all can fall fault to common assumptions rather than honestly dissect problems, without trying to save an ego in process.

    • @JohnSmith-dz2dc
      @JohnSmith-dz2dc 3 роки тому +3

      Exactly! I loved my behavioral economics class in college and this perfectly demonstrates it

    • @dcoughla681
      @dcoughla681 3 роки тому +5

      The coaches just didn’t know how to improve performance & neither did Billy Beane or the other baseball clubs at that time. It was only when he hired Peter Brand to do player analysis that he was on the right track.

    • @whaddup5417
      @whaddup5417 3 роки тому

      @Mike Dickinson Not even sure what you’re saying tbh. Check out the book maybe. A lot more to it and the movie than meets the eye

  • @BenRangel
    @BenRangel 3 роки тому +493

    When I rewatch this I’m always struck by how unusual the plot is. The heroes are cold number fixated guys. The villains are nostalgic and try finding gems by looking at non tangiables. Most plots are the opposite. (”This game game is not about numbers. It's about spirit, trust and human beings!”)

    • @owenrees7544
      @owenrees7544 3 роки тому +87

      That's true. I guess one reason Billy Bean "works" as a hero is that his "numbers" approach gives an opportunity to underdogs, who would otherwise be no chance of playing MLB. Another reason it works as a feelgood story is that this is an underdog club. The Yankees using this approach would be despised.

    • @vectoor91
      @vectoor91 3 роки тому +24

      Narrative wise it's as Owen Rees says, anyone can enjoy it because it's all about the underdog angle. But I have to say I love the fact that the heroes are the people doing the numbers and the statistics. It's math and reason triumphing over bullshit and superstition. I love how the movie shows the people who got screwed by that BS, like Brad Pitts character giving up his scholarship because he got convinced that he was going to be a star player. Or Chris Pratts character being overlooked because his throws looked weird. Qualitative BS like that is not harmless, it hurts people, and doing the measurements and following the quantitative analysis can let you avoid that. This is still true for all sorts of things where bullshit still rules the day out there, things where no one thought to actually try to run the numbers.

    • @4Leka
      @4Leka 3 роки тому +17

      We'll it helps that the "You can't just look at stats!" guys are throwing around non-arguments like "his swing is beautiful" and "he has an ugly girlfriend".
      That's been the ugly world of recruitment in other professions as well for far too long and people can relate. People want to be evaluated on their merits, not their looks and likeability.

    • @JustCallMeLoathesome
      @JustCallMeLoathesome 3 роки тому +9

      @@4Leka Let me assure you - 100% assure you - in the world of sales, looks and likeability will take you further than your less attractive colleague of similar merit. Unfair? Yup. So is life.

    • @4Leka
      @4Leka 3 роки тому +5

      @@JustCallMeLoathesome What's your point? That people should like it when other people judge their skills based on entirely unrelated qualities? Or that they shouldn't dislike incompetent fools?

  • @smk3390
    @smk3390 3 роки тому +176

    No wonder they kept having problems, they thought they were getting contestants for the Bachelor instead of players to play baseball.

    • @TonkarzOfSolSystem
      @TonkarzOfSolSystem 3 роки тому +9

      They were trying to get fans to buy tickets too.

    • @lylestavast7652
      @lylestavast7652 2 роки тому

      they should have been looking for guys who could get to 1st base, of course. ;)

  • @andrewvelonis5940
    @andrewvelonis5940 Рік тому +40

    What I like about this scene is that the conversation is so realistic: they look and sound like regular guys having a genuine conversation, not actors saying lines.

  • @alvarc3675
    @alvarc3675 3 роки тому +386

    Brad’s performance here is outstanding. That cocky charismatic leader is spot on. Every gesture, every facial expression. Oscar worthy

    • @AllUpOns
      @AllUpOns 3 роки тому +40

      He did well, but I think the scouts steal the scenes they're in. Every one of them feels like a different real person, and that's not usually the case for small parts.

    • @trent_k
      @trent_k 3 роки тому +3

      Yep! I hope he gets nominated 🙃

    • @robertswitzer990
      @robertswitzer990 3 роки тому +8

      It’s amazing that people love his performances. Brad Pitt is like Tom Cruise: the same in every fucking role. I think the only reason Pitt is seen as such a great actor is because every role he’s picked up was a monumentally better script. His performance was average. The script was just phenomenal, making people think he did well.

    • @alvarc3675
      @alvarc3675 3 роки тому +4

      Robert Switzer that might be true, but if you judge this one individually, without taking into consideration all his previous roles, he is simply an excellent fit for the part, like Tom Cruise is in Jerry Maguire.

    • @robertswitzer990
      @robertswitzer990 3 роки тому +2

      @@alvarc3675 To be completely honest, the role requires very little of him. So I don’t think that’s saying much that he was a good fit. It’s almost like a boiler plate role, that any actor who isn’t majorly bad could fill.

  • @iwantlee9510
    @iwantlee9510 3 роки тому +195

    I love this. It shows how fucking ancient sports management is.

    • @martinpye549
      @martinpye549 3 роки тому +9

      bang on...

    • @mikehilbert9349
      @mikehilbert9349 3 роки тому +1

      Shows how come so many amature "great hopes" crash in the pros.

    • @megamonster1234
      @megamonster1234 2 роки тому +2

      You say that, but in real life, these guys were on board with what Billy was trying to do. It was obvious to them that they couldn't compete with the richer teams doing what they were doing. Their resistance in this video is fictional.

    • @baxakk7374
      @baxakk7374 2 роки тому +1

      Was, it's not like that anymore. They have metrics on everything nowadays. Not only that, now they also know how to push players to play until 40, maybe even more if they want.
      I also think that they have special drugs or ways of getting away from drug tests. How did Lance Armstrong got away for so long?
      Plus the teams are being valued at billions nowadays, they must be doing something right, for making money that is.

  • @upperdeckhr
    @upperdeckhr 2 роки тому +71

    As an Oakland A's fan, I can remember this season. I was in college and saw a couple of games in Detroit. It was never as hopeless as they make it seem in the movie. We had the best starting pitching staff in the league (in my opinion). We had Tejada and Chavez. We had known for a while Giambi was gone. We were still good. I don't think any of us fans predicted the quality of the starters at the time but we knew they were good. Oakland right now in 2022. Now that is a hopeless situation

    • @silverman5707
      @silverman5707 Рік тому

      Was Hatterberg’s elbow injury overestimated? I don’t know how he could play 1st without throwing to 2nd or an occasional home?

    • @upperdeckhr
      @upperdeckhr Рік тому +3

      @@silverman5707to a degree yes. He had ruptured a nerve in his elbow which hindered his throwing speed and accuracy. So being a catcher was out. He could still throw for sure. Just not at the same level required of a MLB catcher. He'd have never been able to throw out a runner attempting to steal for instance.

    • @upperdeckhr
      @upperdeckhr Рік тому +10

      @@silverman5707 and Art Howe (the manager) was NOT, and I can't stress that enough, the asshole he was made out to be in the movie. He was completely on board with what Billy was trying to do. That's the only part of the movie that I don't like. But I guess every movie has to have some kind of bad guy.

    • @okedoke1234
      @okedoke1234 Рік тому +5

      @@upperdeckhr Wesley I have been a BB fan my whole life and agree. Not sure why they flipped Art Howe like they did for this....

    • @sit2go
      @sit2go Рік тому

      @@okedoke1234 Every story needs a villain.

  • @philosopher1a
    @philosopher1a 2 роки тому +52

    Like how Billy stays on point when asking " Ok so what is the problem"

  • @actavisprime514
    @actavisprime514 3 роки тому +12

    “Who is Fabio”
    “He’s a shortstop…he’s a shortstop from Seattle”😂😂😂

  • @stefanarcher1990
    @stefanarcher1990 3 роки тому +11

    I just realised.. The last guy who answered the "whats the problem" question was correct in a money ball way.

  • @jeredsteadman4160
    @jeredsteadman4160 2 роки тому +28

    Always found it funny that the last guy he buzzes is telling him exactly what Jonah Hill's going to tell him in like 10 minutes

    • @whaddup5417
      @whaddup5417 Рік тому +2

      The difference is how you approach obtaining those numbers.

    • @nuclearham4122
      @nuclearham4122 Місяць тому

      ​@@whaddup5417 The forethought is OBS and not HR or RBI to be fair.

    • @whaddup5417
      @whaddup5417 Місяць тому

      @@nuclearham4122 again. It’s about how you derive your projected OBS

  • @Sai4651
    @Sai4651 3 роки тому +81

    I love how all these scouts are just talking about how someone swing "looks" rather than what they can do statistically.

    • @jakoblarson4597
      @jakoblarson4597 Рік тому +8

      back then the scouts didn't care about stats they only looked at appearance and star power. Times have changed analytics have changed sports

    • @jd0879
      @jd0879 Рік тому +6

      This was pre analytics era. People pay attention to stats way more now

    • @jasonwhite6880
      @jasonwhite6880 Рік тому

      Still hard to believe scouts used to judge players like this. Like Pete says in the movie at one point, baseball thinking is medieval.

    • @ckelcro
      @ckelcro 9 місяців тому

      ​@@jasonwhite6880adapt or die

  • @trents3515
    @trents3515 3 роки тому +87

    i feel like i've lived this over and over again in my life.

    • @ClearOutSamskaras
      @ClearOutSamskaras 3 роки тому +6

      You have responsibility for an organization staffed with people who are semi competent?

    • @trents3515
      @trents3515 3 роки тому +6

      @@ClearOutSamskaras :
      no, i don't have responsibility for others but their decisions still affect me. welcome to the real world, ClearOutSamskaras!

    • @bcreech17
      @bcreech17 3 роки тому

      @@ClearOutSamskaras It’s not that they’re incompetent, it’s that they’ve been trained in a line of thinking that is not the most effective.

    • @nathand4500
      @nathand4500 Рік тому

      @@bcreech17 which at the end of the day is incompetence

  • @califinn
    @califinn 3 роки тому +17

    The big picture, nobody seems to look at it anymore...identify the root problem and come up with creative ways to solve that problem. Beane was looking at the reality of the situation, the scouts were merely cashing in paychecks and lining their futures with guys who they had personally picked for the Oakland A's organization...guys who may not have been panning out, but the scouts had their expertise on the line, and were holding on tight.

  • @JMacify
    @JMacify 3 роки тому +27

    This scene reminds me so much of shows like Kitchen Nightmare and Tabatha's Salon Makeover. On them, you have the owners who are hundreds of thousands in debt, customers continue to complain about their business and yet they dont think anything is wrong. They just want to keep doing what they always did which is the reason they are in the hole they are in.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 роки тому

      Some people are not cut out to be in business. There are just some people you do not give responsibility to.
      I know somebody who had an engineering business and they had an employee that would do the exact opposite of what was required. He was such a screw up that they learned not to let him near anything of consequence and even then they had to watch him.
      I have seen family businesses run to the ground because the person that takes over has no right to be in charge.
      I have a friend right now who has that dilemma in that his only son wants to take over the family business but the father knows he will run it into the ground.

    • @500dollarjapanesetoaster8
      @500dollarjapanesetoaster8 Рік тому

      @@bighands69 Your friend is better off selling the business than letting his son screw it up. You have to pull off the bandaids and tell someone that they are not measuring up. Show stats, have examples, so it's not just an "I feel like" situation.

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 Рік тому +1

      @@500dollarjapanesetoaster8
      When it involves family people tend not to think logically and at times will ignore the obvious.
      It is one of the reasons why family wealthy rarely lasts longer than three generations.

  • @havu2236
    @havu2236 3 роки тому +51

    The thing is that the A's had a fantastic pitching staff. It didn't need a great hr hitting team just players that can get on base and score runs little by little.

    • @joshgordon2697
      @joshgordon2697 3 роки тому +2

      A lot like today’s cleveland indians

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 роки тому +2

      But will that attitude every get the team to the next level is the question.

    • @811chelseafc
      @811chelseafc Рік тому

      This team undersells the A’s a lot. They don’t even mention Miguel Tejada who won MVP, Barry Zito who won Cy Young, or Eric Chavez who won Silver Slugger and Gold Glove at 3rd. It’s a good movie but they sacrificed a lot of accuracy.

  • @MIKELIN8
    @MIKELIN8 3 роки тому +46

    This is such a good movie...especially for Baseball fans. I've read that the scouts in this movie were at one time actual baseball scouts for various teams, hired to speak scout-speak to contrast with what Beane wanted to accomplish.

    • @chrispile3878
      @chrispile3878 9 місяців тому

      And did you bother to look up their names in the credits? Nope. Nick Searcy played one the scouts. He was in "The Shape of Water", which won Best Picture in 2018. Look up the others - actors all.

  • @ianmudd1383
    @ianmudd1383 3 роки тому +12

    The guys they had before were very good as well. Pena, Tejada, Chavez, and the starting rotation were very good.

  • @jstappin
    @jstappin Рік тому +6

    Why I like this scene is that it shows the clash between the old school and the new, and how sometimes you need to look at things differently. If you are stuck in your ways, then you continue to make the same mistakes.

  • @JayYoonSH
    @JayYoonSH 3 роки тому +49

    If I said "blah blah blah blah blah" and did that with my hands in one of my company meetings, I'd be sitting in HR for a week and they'd help me find someone to get boxes to put my crap in.

    • @mpthorvonericksen
      @mpthorvonericksen 3 роки тому +5

      That's beauty of being Billy, no one coulda fired him for doing that.

    • @feruser2489
      @feruser2489 3 роки тому +14

      Well, billy is the boss so he can

    • @Starrynova
      @Starrynova 3 роки тому +2

      If you were the boss you can

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 3 роки тому +1

      Billy was in charge of HR, recruitment, management and everything there was.

    • @hainsay
      @hainsay 3 роки тому +4

      Wait, you get a box of crap helper? Where did you work?

  • @njambassador4422
    @njambassador4422 Рік тому

    Thanks for cleaning this up. Was looking for more clips from you.

  • @Pete-th9oq
    @Pete-th9oq 3 роки тому +82

    "Who's Fabio?" "He's the SS in Seattle". lol.

    • @nrkgalt
      @nrkgalt 3 роки тому

      They couldn’t be talking about ARod. By then he had already gone to Texas.

    • @Matty11209
      @Matty11209 3 роки тому +1

      He's getting him mixed up with Felix Fermin.

    • @NJGuy1973
      @NJGuy1973 3 роки тому

      @@Matty11209 Or Mario Mendoza.

    • @Neznug
      @Neznug 3 роки тому +1

      I believe it is FP Santangelo

    • @MrKarlozz
      @MrKarlozz 10 місяців тому

      He's the guy who can't believe it's not butter

  • @kaziahmed1424
    @kaziahmed1424 3 роки тому +12

    This is by far my favorite Brad Pitt performance (that includes Fight Club)

    • @renee6524
      @renee6524 3 роки тому

      Yes. I do think this is his best performance. He should have won the Oscar for this. Amazing performance.

    • @andrewburgess-linden9612
      @andrewburgess-linden9612 Рік тому

      You don't talk about Fight Club

  • @joshuasteele4498
    @joshuasteele4498 3 роки тому +8

    Great scene! Great rhythm to the dialogue, but still sells it like a real discussion of competing ideas.

  • @joshuahenderson
    @joshuahenderson 3 роки тому +8

    I love how much stake they put into how the player looks good and his girlfriend doesn’t.

  • @rmoultonrmoulton145
    @rmoultonrmoulton145 3 роки тому +27

    My favorite thing about this movie is that it shows how important pendulum swings are. For far too long, most baseball people though only "one" way and were arrogant to numbers because it exposed the fact that scouting...at least to a certain extent...wasn't as valuable as we thought. Is the eyeball test important? Of course it is. But is it even close to everything? Hell no. A lot of guys have pretty swings...a lot of guys have a nasty breaking ball...but that you can easily see someone have a great game and not have anything close to the full picture. That's where the math comes in. SAMPLE SIZE. Sample size is what proves consistency which gives a team the ability to reduce risk. Higher floor/lower ceiling is better than low floor/high ceiling in baseball. This is because there's 9 guys playing 162 games. If your floor is stronger than the law of averages is unavoidable. However, this also means that come crunch time, you may not have the talent/moxy you need in that very specific moment...thus the condundrum of it all.

  • @ThatOtherRaccoon
    @ThatOtherRaccoon Рік тому +14

    The thing about this scene is that Barry was actually right. They didn’t need to replace players, they needed to replace hits and runs.

    • @Dere2727
      @Dere2727 5 місяців тому

      Notice how he said home runs and RBIs though. Even the auld guard that used stats used the wrong ones, home runs and RBIs reflect who makes the hero plays not the winning plays, and using these stats rather than the scientifically proven ones like OBP will get you players that strike out tonnes and never walk because they swing for the fences or throw away their out bunting to get a run from someone who was 3/4 of the way there already.

  • @dcg509
    @dcg509 3 роки тому +27

    You can hear it all over the ball park. Says the man rocking hearing aids bigger than my grandmothers ear horn she used in 1979

  • @bradaform7285
    @bradaform7285 3 роки тому +7

    3:00 “he dies!”
    Thanks tyler durden
    ;) anyone else hear that hear it in his voice?

    • @owenrees7544
      @owenrees7544 3 роки тому

      Very good observation. But it's actually at about 2:58

  • @rasalghul9331
    @rasalghul9331 Рік тому +1

    I can't believe this movie is 12 years old

  • @kylenielsen5341
    @kylenielsen5341 Рік тому +2

    It's exactly what the coach said: I'm losing in a way that I can explain in job interviews. They don't want to take the damage for hiring a catcher to play first base and take a chance on something.

  • @gheller2261
    @gheller2261 Рік тому +2

    This is an important scene because Billy Beane knows that once upon a time he was the guy they were talking about. The scouts that signed him raved about his beautiful swing and about how he "looked" like a ballplayer. Having been a player who failed, Beane knew that the superficial stuff discussed by these scouts was nonsense.

  • @okgood8529
    @okgood8529 2 роки тому +3

    While Brad Pitt is a good looking guy and that won't hurt his career, he's a actor with a lot of range.

  • @TheDamirBosna
    @TheDamirBosna 3 роки тому +37

    Who is Fabio kills me every time 🤣

    • @siddharthbirdi
      @siddharthbirdi 3 роки тому

      BTW who is he?

    • @TheDamirBosna
      @TheDamirBosna 3 роки тому

      @@siddharthbirdi how dare you not knowing Fabio !?

    • @siddharthbirdi
      @siddharthbirdi 3 роки тому

      @@TheDamirBosna Sry, but who is he?

    • @TheDamirBosna
      @TheDamirBosna 3 роки тому

      @@siddharthbirdi just google: “Fabio, sexiest man alive”

    • @tanveerhasan2382
      @tanveerhasan2382 3 роки тому

      @@siddharthbirdi if yoh are serious, 3:40

  • @adblefty
    @adblefty 3 роки тому +10

    Ok let's not forget what you see at 2 seconds into the scene. Chavis, Tejada, Hudson Mulder, Zito, Liddle and Dye in right field at 1 second.

    • @BoJangles42
      @BoJangles42 3 роки тому +2

      Still, they’d just lost the AL MVP and another All-Star

  • @ProfessorJM1
    @ProfessorJM1 2 роки тому +4

    What everybody forgets in the glamour of this movie (which, I love) is, two things. 1) We, the Kansas City Royals, were the donors/farm club to the A's. Johnny Damon Jermaine Dye, 2 World Series MVPs, were our guys, then went to the A's, then to the Red Sox and White Sox, respectively, and won the world series. 2) The A's had one of the best starting pitching rotations in the history of baseball: Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson, Barry Zito, a year or 2? after this Rich Harden....so.

    • @omegacon4
      @omegacon4 2 роки тому

      Baseball = the best professional sport that money can buy.

    • @xKillZone99
      @xKillZone99 2 роки тому

      once the A's lost Zito, Mulder and Hudson they fell apart lol

    • @yurmabeechaudits3522
      @yurmabeechaudits3522 Рік тому

      You must have missed the Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz era of the Altanta Braves

    • @rohunsaigal2576
      @rohunsaigal2576 7 місяців тому

      @@xKillZone99not really? Made the ALCS in 06, had the best record in the AL in 2013 and won 96 games in 2019

    • @xKillZone99
      @xKillZone99 7 місяців тому

      @rohunsaigal2576 you cherry picked 3 seasons in a 20+ year span lol doesn't really do much to disprove anything I said

  • @chuckshaw1593
    @chuckshaw1593 3 роки тому +39

    It's amazing any team can win when you base your player selection on what his girlfriend looks like.

    • @terrancethomas9792
      @terrancethomas9792 2 роки тому +1

      Or if your players can be in the room before they get there.

    • @SuperJoshdave
      @SuperJoshdave 2 роки тому

      It may work because Oakland hasn’t won it all since 1989

  • @nikhilekar
    @nikhilekar 2 роки тому +5

    This is among Pitt's finest performance

  • @leonardovillegas7015
    @leonardovillegas7015 3 роки тому +8

    Someone who has had one of these jobs can confirm this?
    I mean "Ugly girlfriend means no confidence". Do they seriously do it this way?

    • @fabiolean
      @fabiolean 3 роки тому +12

      They definitely used to. When metrics-based baseball analysis was first proposed the dude was laughed out of the sport.

  • @harbinger8035
    @harbinger8035 3 роки тому +37

    There are rich teams
    There are poor teams
    There’s 50 feet of crap
    And then there’s us

    • @kimblandino
      @kimblandino 3 роки тому +6

      Pittsburgh Pirates.

    • @videogamejockey
      @videogamejockey 3 роки тому

      K?

    • @terrancethomas9792
      @terrancethomas9792 2 роки тому +1

      That’s why Baseball needs a structured salary cap.
      I remember Joe Torre. His Yankees were spending upwards to $200. Announcers were calling Torre a genius.
      Torre then was name manager of the Dodgers. He was fired soon after.
      With $200 million, you supposed to win or be in the picture every season.
      Surprisingly, the Yanks have disappeared with all the money.

  • @libbysbooksandmusiclibby9339
    @libbysbooksandmusiclibby9339 3 роки тому +25

    Who's Fabio? ....shortstop from Seattle. Best line in the whole movie.

    • @blackdog7859
      @blackdog7859 3 роки тому

      I don't get that joke. I may be ike the old farts in the room. Care to explain it to me please.

    • @BLACKHT3
      @BLACKHT3 3 роки тому

      @@blackdog7859 Fabio is/was an Italian actor and fashion model famous in the early 1990's

    • @jamesteegardner2273
      @jamesteegardner2273 3 роки тому +1

      @@blackdog7859 You know of those trash romance novels some women read? Well in 80's and 90's Fabio was the dude they used on the cover of the book to help sell it. He was a model that even got into a few movies, and he often won those "Sexiest Man Alive" contests that they had in women's magazines. So his name became synonymous with being handsome.
      Billy (Brad Pitt) brought up his name because the scouts were talking about how the baseball player they were scouting to play baseball at the Major League level was good looking, and had a good jawline or something stupid along those lines. Something that had nothing to do with the scouted players ability to actually play baseball well.
      One of the other scouts asked "who's Fabio"? Another one answered "a shortstop". It was a funny line to make the audience laugh and to show the huge disconnect between what Billy saying and what the scouts were hearing and doing.

  • @alexlackner1945
    @alexlackner1945 2 роки тому

    love how the camera cuts to the two bespectabled white-haired guys when Grady says "you got a lot of experience and wisdom in this room"

  • @darj617
    @darj617 2 роки тому

    I love how the video volume is at a 2 and AD volume at 11

  • @viz2790
    @viz2790 4 місяці тому

    CLEAN version of Moneyball guys, there is no need to push the panic button.....

  • @wayneparker9331
    @wayneparker9331 3 роки тому +15

    Notice how he tried to get the men around the table to articulate what the problem was and how they were initially reluctant to do so? First there was the "we all know what the problem is" and when asked to articulate it a defensive posture. Then when it comes time to actually articulate what the core problem is they are ALL wrong. They're thinking they can architect a team like much better funded peers at the NY Yankees, etc. On the surface, the movie is about baseball but it's really about what makes for good, solid management and leadership. Beane had vision and in this scene and others dealt with (barely) competent but otherwise unimaginative mid-level managers, etc.

    • @omegacon4
      @omegacon4 2 роки тому

      Beane's vision was limited at best in this movie scene. He failed to propose a solution. Even worse, his conviction was weak, as evidenced when we pushed back from the table at the end of the clip (indicating he conceded to Grady and the other scouts).

    • @dstreetz91
      @dstreetz91 2 роки тому

      He didn't have a solution at this point in the movie because he hadn't talked to Peter Brand about how baseball scouting should be done. I don't think him leaving the table is a concession to their ideas about what players they are looking at. It's a concession to him not wanting to try to change their medieval thinking. I can argue with an anti-vaxxer for months on end without convincing them to vaccinate because people are stubborn and unwilling to change.
      Beane knew that if he stuck to the old ways of thinking that the A's weren't likely to win a world series or even appear in the world series because the Yankee's and other teams could just outspend them and win that way.

    • @omegacon4
      @omegacon4 2 роки тому

      @@dstreetz91 Any person who cannot motivate or persuade a team to follow his vision does not deserve a leadership position (short of a military force).

    • @omegacon4
      @omegacon4 Рік тому

      @@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants A person can be right while still not exhibiting the traits of a true leader (e.g. Billy Beane). Similarly, a person can be wrong while acting like a true leader (e.g. Jordan Belfort in The Wolf of Wall Street who convinced his employees to fleece their clients).

    • @DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants
      @DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Рік тому

      @@omegacon4 You need to define what a true leader is to speak like that. Obviously based on the context of this movie Billy was not interested in the old scouting ways and if he was a better leader he would not only explain that but just fire all the ones who were not going to be the new way.
      Jordan Belfort clearly had some very good and bad leadership qualities even unrelated to morality/legality. Being a drug addict could obviously be good/bad to how you lead people generally.

  • @jofdel
    @jofdel 3 роки тому +8

    i have a question...why are they talking about how they look? Like wtf does that even matter...

    • @alexbeltran6668
      @alexbeltran6668 3 роки тому +5

      Apparently this is old scout speech
      Back in the day, can they also get fans in the stadium? Sell merchandise?

  • @TedBackus
    @TedBackus Рік тому

    thanks for the upload. please let Jim & randy know i said hi

  • @comfy950
    @comfy950 Рік тому

    I think the only reference in this (great) movie to that A's team's incredible pitching rotation is the single second they show their names on the white board 0:03, with Eric Chavez and MIguel Tejada, for the record, two other guys who regularly made All Star teams. Billy Beane worked magic, but that team also had some serious studs.

  • @AimForTheBushes908
    @AimForTheBushes908 2 роки тому +1

    Who's Fabio???
    "He's a shortstop"
    😂😂😂😂😂

  • @vasantos-re4hb
    @vasantos-re4hb Рік тому +1

    This is a problem for a lot of teams - knowing when to stay the course and when to try something different. Billy's job is knowing when to make a change, and that's why he's GM.

  • @jengable4888
    @jengable4888 3 роки тому +7

    Organ donors for the rich ? This is a great scene and I can totally understand Billy Beane's frustration because the others in room are so resistant to his logic.

  • @cisium1184
    @cisium1184 2 роки тому +5

    This scene was a necessary setup, but always struck me as the weakest part of the movie. The scouts, whom Beane is berating for trying to replace Giambi, were the guys who scouted and developed Giambi in the first place. Suggesting they didn't understand the problem or were taking a wrong approach to solving it never completely made sense to me. Player development was a fundamental part of moneyball IRL - it was one of the was you got big talent for little money.

  • @jhchooo
    @jhchooo 2 роки тому +1

    I miss movies like this, showing how the sausage is made. We need more sausage making movies like this.

  • @enricorossi3968
    @enricorossi3968 3 роки тому +4

    imagine switching the cup where you spit with the one where you drink by mistake

    • @ohhellyeah2878
      @ohhellyeah2878 3 роки тому

      It happens.

    • @TheBatugan77
      @TheBatugan77 3 роки тому

      Lloyd Bridges and Chuck Connors in the original Airplane!

  • @heck0216
    @heck0216 Рік тому

    1:24 me at every technical meeting with my peeps. They all know everything until shit breaks, then nobody knows what to do. 😂

  • @stephenmason9527
    @stephenmason9527 Рік тому

    The names on the board at 0:04 with all the right teams (including the still Montreal Expos) had to take so much time and care and detail to set up.

  • @allenleclerc7878
    @allenleclerc7878 Рік тому

    "Who's Fabio?" I love it.

  • @HelloThere-kr6dc
    @HelloThere-kr6dc Рік тому

    “Who we know who can play “:) this phrase set Billy off

  • @davidrpriest
    @davidrpriest 2 роки тому +1

    Great scene....they are looking at a short term solution that they can not do. Beane is looking at the big picture and seeing the whole system they have in place does not work with the funds they have available to pay players.

  • @douglasrau5094
    @douglasrau5094 3 роки тому +7

    0:03 And that’s all the mention Miguel Tejada, Eric Chavez, Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder and Barry Zito get in this movie. 1 lousy second.

    • @Dman425
      @Dman425 3 роки тому +5

      Their stories aren’t part of the story. The story is built around the players they acquired and lost. Not the players that were already there

  • @locotx215
    @locotx215 3 роки тому +8

    What's so great about this scene is logically . . . they are both right !

  • @renee6524
    @renee6524 Рік тому

    Love how he just drops his head down at 3:41

  • @markmoran9272
    @markmoran9272 Місяць тому

    Does anyone know if some of these scouts were real scouts and not actors?

  • @jimvick8397
    @jimvick8397 Рік тому

    3:39 I love how that old guy names an actual baseball player named Fabio... Which further illustrates these guys have no idea what he is trying to tell them...

  • @wippip
    @wippip 3 роки тому

    So happy you edited Billy’s fuck out, I was so nearly offended.

  • @scsmith4604
    @scsmith4604 Рік тому

    What this crew needed was a George Costanza in the opposite episode. If what you have been doing is not working then the opposite must be the answer.

  • @nado9159
    @nado9159 4 місяці тому

    Is he a good hitter? “Yeah his swing is great”

  • @DB-be9wy
    @DB-be9wy Рік тому

    Bunch of dinosaurs in a room that have no idea that the comet already hit.

  • @shannontaylor1849
    @shannontaylor1849 4 місяці тому

    3:36 'He's a shortstop from Seattle.'

  • @jaycebeverly6254
    @jaycebeverly6254 3 місяці тому

    Such. A. Good. Scene.

  • @HoustonTom
    @HoustonTom Рік тому +1

    One thing they don’t talk about in the movie but if they can’t afford top players, I imagine they also don’t pay for the best scouts either.

  • @Matthew-cw3gn
    @Matthew-cw3gn 2 роки тому +2

    One of the things I like about this scene is how the guys aren't even really going off of traditional, conservative knowledge--closer to superstition and platitudes.

  • @501Mobius
    @501Mobius Рік тому

    Hey, there's the section head in Justified.

  • @DoggoWillink
    @DoggoWillink 3 роки тому +1

    [Fabio] is a short stop from Seattle.

  • @brianpatrick7411
    @brianpatrick7411 3 роки тому +12

    What is Oakland A baseball? Scoring 1 run on a sac fly and hoping your starter throws a shutout?

    • @nahor88
      @nahor88 3 роки тому +1

      The A's at least have had some decent success over the past decade; try being a Pirates fan. Had a string of 90+ win seasons, got screwed by baseball's idiotic play-off system 2 years in a row, and done jack shit since thanks to a cheap-ass owner.

    • @brianpatrick7411
      @brianpatrick7411 3 роки тому +2

      @@nahor88 I am a Pirates fan.
      (shoots self)

    • @AT-il2ej
      @AT-il2ej 3 роки тому

      "I'm mad at teams that have more success than mine."

    • @nottelling8456
      @nottelling8456 3 роки тому

      funny enough, that was dodgers baseball for most of the 60's (of course, they had koufax and drysdale, which helped).
      even won a few world series with that.

  • @Frank_Cohen
    @Frank_Cohen 9 місяців тому

    I love the movie but they make the A's sound so much more desperate than they really were. Beane still had most of the killer lineup and all of that stellar pitching rotation from the previous year. "Organs harvested by the Sox and Yankees"? Hardly.

  • @piggypooo
    @piggypooo Рік тому

    3:37 old McaFarty " who's Fabio" 😂

  • @jeffhabs
    @jeffhabs 3 роки тому +1

    Pretty sure the nearly folded Montreal expos were further bellow the As at the time.

  • @alexchovanec2928
    @alexchovanec2928 Рік тому

    3:36 I don't think Billy was talking about the shortstop from Seattle at 2:40. 😂

  • @Jameswilllee
    @Jameswilllee Рік тому

    “We’re going to teach these guys to play Las Vegas A’s baseball” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

  • @M1tjakaramazov
    @M1tjakaramazov 3 роки тому +12

    Editing out the expletives from a realistic scene that deals with desperation and hard choices is despicable. Who the hell are you or anyone to interfere witht he artistic choices of others?

    • @M1tjakaramazov
      @M1tjakaramazov 3 роки тому

      @@studentism I've seen the movie several times. If you wanna "monetize" get a real fucking job and don't leech off the work of others.

  • @sampeisch375
    @sampeisch375 Рік тому

    “Good jaw” kills me.

  • @davismccardle1
    @davismccardle1 Рік тому +1

    "What is the problem?"
    "The problem is, Steve Schott is a tightwad and we can't afford to win in this market."
    "Correct!"

  • @TheDefeatest
    @TheDefeatest 3 роки тому +29

    Does Brad Pitt have to spit something out of his mouth in every movie?

    • @Kariegoz
      @Kariegoz 3 роки тому +4

      Yes, it's part of his character, like Owen Wilson has to say Woooow in every movie.

    • @id10t98
      @id10t98 3 роки тому +2

      He's made the comment that he's always eating or drinking something in most of his scenes.

    • @leonardovillegas7015
      @leonardovillegas7015 3 роки тому +2

      He often plays guys that challenge the system. These "manners" go on with that

    • @dmcrun3572
      @dmcrun3572 3 роки тому +1

      It’s either dip or sunflower seeds; both are hallmarks of MLB players and coaches

  • @GKJusticar55
    @GKJusticar55 3 роки тому +1

    I love this movie so much

  • @mariomanningfan
    @mariomanningfan 3 роки тому +1

    Is there another ____? No. And if so could we get ____? No. Then wtf are we talking about? This exact problem transcends sports. So many work conversations I've been a part of involve people wasting time on what they want to have vs what exists...

  • @brianellinger6622
    @brianellinger6622 Рік тому

    Dave said to Danny why would he want to come home?
    ... .....
    Something about 20 years of holidays alone

  • @golfnz34me
    @golfnz34me Рік тому

    As a long-suffering Pirates fan, the term "organ donor for the rich" hits way too close to home

  • @tuffteddy1446
    @tuffteddy1446 Рік тому +1

    Watch it Beansy!!!

  • @incredibleletdownman8094
    @incredibleletdownman8094 9 місяців тому

    As wildly inaccurate as this movie is about the real life story, man this has to be my favorite sports movie.

  • @winstonliang9710
    @winstonliang9710 3 роки тому

    I’m an 8 at best! But I’m all seriousness, antediluvian art of war strategies can be applied to any facet of societal infrastructure ranging from military campaigns to business to gladiatorial athletic endeavors. Bully beans was a pioneer in the sphere of the mlb! A legend of the industry indeed!

  • @andrewgundy3045
    @andrewgundy3045 10 місяців тому

    “He’s a shortstop for Seattle”

  • @tdmvortex
    @tdmvortex 2 роки тому +3

    i love this scene!

  • @hugosolorzano6608
    @hugosolorzano6608 3 роки тому +1

    These guy don't understand there is no money to buy expensive players

  • @MarkH10
    @MarkH10 Рік тому

    What about the fans? Maybe I can teach one of them!
    Too funny and life like. I recall we went to watch my neighbor play his little league game when I was in second, and my Mom, unbeknownst to me had snuck my glove into her purse. The coach suddenly wanted shy, scared me to play with my friends. All those scoundrels had set me up. It was great....

  • @slipp3ryslop3
    @slipp3ryslop3 Рік тому

    You misspelled "censored"

  • @mrv6968
    @mrv6968 Рік тому

    Who's Fabio?
    He's a shortstop from Seattle! 😄