I saw bmth and architects about 7 times from 2008-2013 in Canada. Back when it was like $18 no cover to see a show lol. Did a meet and greet with bmth once as well, they were super chill back in 2011. Crazy they're still around and doing so well.
Hearing Mike say Thrice and Under0ath were two of the first screaming bands he first heard that influenced TDWP warms my heart bc though I love all three, TDWP was the band that got me into Metalcore in the first place.
@@mementomori2839 Act of Depression and Cries of the Past definitely influenced Dear Love: A Beutiful Discord. All three have such a dark and spooky mood.
I immediately started to comment "I fucking _love_ Pass The Flask", then I saw this comment, so I put it as a reply. This album was so great for it's time.
The reason I liked TDWP at first was because they sounded so similar to underoath, and TDWP was the band that bridged the less heavy metalcore to deathcore for me. Makes a lot of sense
If Hope Dies, Still Remains and Bleeding Through are criminally underrated metalcore bands that should have gotten more recognition. Kudos to Devil wears Prada for including them.
Our band played with Beloved back in Kernersville NC they were straight up Bible thumping metalcore, they even had invitations at there shows to find salvation, our name was Zeteo we unfortunately never got signed lol but we played with Beloved ALOT, and then played with Underoath 1x before the changing of times era...they were straight up Christian Deathcore almost before Deathcore was a thing lol
I think that Underoath Changing of Times was inspired from the innovations of Prayer For Cleaning's album Rain in Endless Fall(members of BTBAM) a year earlier. If you like this Underoath album, listen to Minus' album Jesus Christ Bobby from 2001. That was equally as life changing to me
Underoath had a MUCH better singer on The Changing of Times than They're Only Chasing Safety and then they got what's his name haha I can't remember either of their singers names now. The guy they have now I could never take him seriously I loved Underoath til they released TOCS then I was like nahhhhh they got to safe for me...I was always into heavier stuff though. And props to TDWP for never recanting on their Christian Beliefs even after the beef with Behemoth's Nergal...Nergal is just a man...everyone seems so afraid of him and a skinny little man at that who does Yoga and worships Satan hahaha now that's just funny in some way!
@@allencarey7336 soooo much wrong with this comment lmao 1. The only lineup change since Changing of Times (other than the one album that didn't have Aaron) is swapping Spencer for Dallas, who is a much better vocalist for them and the heavier direction they went afterwards. I do really like Dallas in Maylene and old UØ, but he couldn't do what Spencer does, and his screaming clearly took a toll on his voice, because it's far from what it used to be 2. Clearly you haven't kept up with UØ if you think that anything past TOCS is "safe" lmao. Define the Great Line up to current day Voyeurist (even on Erase Me, although that was more "safe" in some ways) is some of the weirdest, most experimental music we have in the scene, ESPECIALLY for a band as big as Underoath 3. TDWP stopped claiming Christianity a decade ago, they just never made any public statements about it. Most of the members aren't Christians
@@brendangibson8200 ummm yes I listened to OLD UNDEROATH which is ALOT more metal than they ever were with Spencer...and yes I've heard their new Album which blows Nuts, and Disambiguation (I believe it was called also sucked) and the reason TDWP didn't mention UNDEROATH with Spencer is because all the old skool fans couldn't stand whiny bitch boy Spencer when he came to sing...and thank you for reminding me it was Dallas I couldn't remember his name...the ONLY album I ever thought Spencer actually did OK on was the other one you mentioned I believe it was after TOCS but yeah Spencer has always been a poser poooo boy if ya ask me....and the incident with TDWP giving Nergal from Behemoth a Bible only happened about 4 to 6 years ago so I don't know where you're getting your info...they've remained Christians in a band...maybe not a Christian Band but I know for a fact 3 of the members are
@@allencarey7336 dang, I didn't realize that 2007 was only 5 years ago 😂 Being "more metal" doesn't make it better. TCOT wasn't as metal as everything after TOCS, so by your standards, they should be better 🤷♂️ And yeah, Acts of Depression and Cries of the Past are awesome, but they couldn't have done songs like that forever or he would have blown his voice from bad technique. You can say Spencer is a "poser" all you want, but that's not gonna change the fact that Dallas couldn't have kept up with the rest of the band
what an awesome and relatable interview for anyone born in the 80s-90s lol. I never would've put money back in 2007 on what heavy bands would still be kicking in 2023.
Architects is a great example of a band that lost everything interesting or unique about them and became a washed out accessible version of metalcore that genuinely wants to be close to pop music.
Pass the Flask is definitely one of the most underrated metalcore albums. It's still an example of the gold standard in the genre. Also, this is Love... This is Murderous, that album still holds up and can give anything modern or since, a run for their money.
I have no idea why but I went into this video hoping they'd mention Symphony in Peril. Was surprised but very satisfied to see that they did. The Whore's Trophy is a dang good record that doesn't get the recognition it deserves, and even though I heard Stilletto for the first time from a "drive-by moshpit" video on Facebook like 5 years after that record came out it was still influential to me. Good shit
As soon as he said keyboards, I instantly thought Still Remains, and sure enough he said the same! Still Remains deserves to be on any metalcore necessity list...They were a massive influence on my early guitar days.
Always thought Beloved was a regional NC-core band, because I moved from NC for work and while I met metalcore fans elsewhere, none of them ever heard of Beloved. Glad to see them get some attention.
Love that they mentioned Beloved. When I was in college, I saw them live in the basement of a church. The drummer/screamer was trucking thru the songs and told us he had to crap really bad lol
My top 10 metalcore albums are: Guardians by august burns red When we don’t exist by like moths to flames When the end began by silent planet Chasing ghosts by the amity affliction Loose threads by hollow front With roots above and branches below by the devil wears Prada Tongue Tied by earth groans The last word is yours to speak by Phinehas Eulogies by wolves at the gate The hollow by Memphis may fire
For me some major albums are: Folly - Insanity Later, Beloved - Failure On, UnderOath - The Changing of Times, Norma Jean - Bless the Martyr, Devil Wears Prada - Dear Love.
I haven’t listened to these guys since htmlrulesd00d days when I was a child but I see the changing of times in the thumbnail it literally cannot watch.
if anyone loves old school metalcore and doesn't know about Holly springs disaster check out there my pet monster EP. Best thing to ever come out of Canada next to maple syrup.
@@franlovelsimic8421 But the thing is, these albums actually changed the landscape of the genre, the pedestal, foundation, and are the biggest influences. They are the most innovative and pushing horizons like albums of this genre.
Hell yeah huge Dallas Taylor/Maylene fan only UO record I like is TCOT and still remains! personally loved the serpent love to see them do some shows one day know they do a show here n there maybe haste the day too be insane!
This genre feels like it was created as a result of the jump to digital rercording. Polished . The one is always at the one and riffs are heavy and glorious yet strangely consistent. sometimes things sound too perfect and to me, less human. The concept of a live recording after 2005 or so seemed to lose its shine.
BMTHs “Count Your Blessings” will probably be my all time favorite Metalcore record. To each their own, everyone is gonna have theirs, and I personally think it comes down to the whole time and place thing. For my life, it was the perfect album for that era. Same with the rest up to TTS, though I wouldn’t consider anything after Suicide Season metalcore. It’s really disappointing to see the music they’re making now, I feel like they’re currently in their “St Anger, Load, Reload” phase.
I was never in to that Core genre, I barely know any of those Bands you mentioned, and If I know them, I never liked them 😂😂. TDWP is one of the few Core bands I like.
I paid £10 at a local venue in 2011 to see BMTH supported by Architects, Parkway Drive and The devil wears prada. Was insane!
Highly jealous of this.
I saw bmth and architects about 7 times from 2008-2013 in Canada. Back when it was like $18 no cover to see a show lol. Did a meet and greet with bmth once as well, they were super chill back in 2011. Crazy they're still around and doing so well.
@BlesstWon™ Leicester O2 academy
Gigs will never be this cheap again
Brixton Academy! Great show
Hearing Mike say Thrice and Under0ath were two of the first screaming bands he first heard that influenced TDWP warms my heart bc though I love all three, TDWP was the band that got me into Metalcore in the first place.
it gave me chills hearing him say that.
same here. The Artist in the Ambulance is a top tier album imo
The Underoath influence is blatant in Plagues specifically.
@@olivuuuur Yes it is amazing but please go listen to The Illusion of Safety, if you’ve never heard it. God this album makes my heart sing.
@@mementomori2839 Act of Depression and Cries of the Past definitely influenced Dear Love: A Beutiful Discord. All three have such a dark and spooky mood.
Finally someone is giving “Pass the Flask” the love it deserves.
I've always said this was a game-changing record if you played music. I just wrote guitar differently after hearing it.
I immediately started to comment "I fucking _love_ Pass The Flask", then I saw this comment, so I put it as a reply. This album was so great for it's time.
It definitely is on my top 5 best post-hardcore albums ever made
That shit hit completely different than anything out at that time
Came here to say this. Their second album was fantastic too.
The reason I liked TDWP at first was because they sounded so similar to underoath, and TDWP was the band that bridged the less heavy metalcore to deathcore for me. Makes a lot of sense
Great list and so glad to see Still Remains on here, they were a massive band for me one upon a time and you rarely hear people talk about them!
TDWP are of my heart, so seeing Jeremy and Mike talk and laugh together makes me so happy! Thanks for the video.
Have so many good memories of
from autumn to ashes, bleeding through , and Atreyu in the early 00s
man, i used to listen to from autumn to ashes on repeat.. KC90210
Still remains !!! Getting some love soo underrated….
I'm surprised killswitch engage's "as daylight dies" didn't make the list
I am surprised not to see Zao, but im wicked happy the beloved got some love! Wicked underrated band!
Zao slays all these foos.
There is a quick mention on 10:18, but no records from them on this list.
Surprised not to see Poison the Well, ZAO, or Skycamefalling.
Same with Misey Signals, but this is The Devil Wears Prada’s interpretation
If Hope Dies, Still Remains and Bleeding Through are criminally underrated metalcore bands that should have gotten more recognition. Kudos to Devil wears Prada for including them.
I heard Thrice, Underoath, Beloved and the Bled. 4 of my favorite bands mentioned as inspiration by my other favorite band ❤
Finally Someone Gives STILL REMAINS some dam credit 🔥
The only part I disagreed with was when he said they had not aged well haha
@@CreativeFitz haha yah that made me sad too. I still bump them on the regular, they were literally on my Apple Music next song haha
Most underrated pure metalcore band by far.
@@CreativeFitz I think his comment on it ageing poorly might be more about the production
From autumn to ashes needs some love. First 2 albums are some of the best.
Every list should have Zao, Unearth, and Poison the well
i was definitely disappointed to not see Zao OR Poison the Well....or Converge...
Yo failure on by beloved was such a great album. Highly underrated.
The Running EP is much better
@@victorfroes6650 ehhhhh
@@victorfroes6650 i wouldnt say it was better but kiss it goodbye was a really good tune
I seen Bleeding Through in a tiny dive bar show back around 2001 in Niagara Falls Ny. Crazy how they had staying power like they did.
really impressed that they're not afraid to say the word metalcore 😂😂 love TDWP so much
Great list! Love the classic 2000s Metalcore bands.
End of heartache to me is a perfect album, Howard Jones is one of my favorite vocalists of all time.
Our band played with Beloved back in Kernersville NC they were straight up Bible thumping metalcore, they even had invitations at there shows to find salvation, our name was Zeteo we unfortunately never got signed lol but we played with Beloved ALOT, and then played with Underoath 1x before the changing of times era...they were straight up Christian Deathcore almost before Deathcore was a thing lol
Yeah i think underoath may have been the first deathcore band. Nobody gives them the credit though
Death to traitors was a good song by them
This unlocked some dusty forgotten memories.
I discovered the Symphony in Peril song “Stilleto” in those surprise mosh videos from like 07
They didn't mention with roots above and branches below by tdwp. Weird.
I don't know anyone who knows who still remains is and I've never heard it referenced anywhere it was so nice to hear you guys reference them.
I think that Underoath Changing of Times was inspired from the innovations of Prayer For Cleaning's album Rain in Endless Fall(members of BTBAM) a year earlier. If you like this Underoath album, listen to Minus' album Jesus Christ Bobby from 2001. That was equally as life changing to me
Thanks for the recs cuz it’s my favorite album of all time so I am going to listen to these you’ve recommended.
Can we get an Underoath / Prada tour, please?!
(Insert "no XxXxX record from XxXxX band that I like is criminal, this guys have no clue" comment here).
Interesting that they would call out The Changing of Times instead of They're Only Chasing Safety as a more influential album from Underoath
It makes sense as influential albums for them. Patterns/Dear Love definitely sounds more like TCOT than TOCS
Underoath had a MUCH better singer on The Changing of Times than They're Only Chasing Safety and then they got what's his name haha I can't remember either of their singers names now. The guy they have now I could never take him seriously I loved Underoath til they released TOCS then I was like nahhhhh they got to safe for me...I was always into heavier stuff though. And props to TDWP for never recanting on their Christian Beliefs even after the beef with Behemoth's Nergal...Nergal is just a man...everyone seems so afraid of him and a skinny little man at that who does Yoga and worships Satan hahaha now that's just funny in some way!
@@allencarey7336 soooo much wrong with this comment lmao
1. The only lineup change since Changing of Times (other than the one album that didn't have Aaron) is swapping Spencer for Dallas, who is a much better vocalist for them and the heavier direction they went afterwards. I do really like Dallas in Maylene and old UØ, but he couldn't do what Spencer does, and his screaming clearly took a toll on his voice, because it's far from what it used to be
2. Clearly you haven't kept up with UØ if you think that anything past TOCS is "safe" lmao. Define the Great Line up to current day Voyeurist (even on Erase Me, although that was more "safe" in some ways) is some of the weirdest, most experimental music we have in the scene, ESPECIALLY for a band as big as Underoath
3. TDWP stopped claiming Christianity a decade ago, they just never made any public statements about it. Most of the members aren't Christians
@@brendangibson8200 ummm yes I listened to OLD UNDEROATH which is ALOT more metal than they ever were with Spencer...and yes I've heard their new Album which blows Nuts, and Disambiguation (I believe it was called also sucked) and the reason TDWP didn't mention UNDEROATH with Spencer is because all the old skool fans couldn't stand whiny bitch boy Spencer when he came to sing...and thank you for reminding me it was Dallas I couldn't remember his name...the ONLY album I ever thought Spencer actually did OK on was the other one you mentioned I believe it was after TOCS but yeah Spencer has always been a poser poooo boy if ya ask me....and the incident with TDWP giving Nergal from Behemoth a Bible only happened about 4 to 6 years ago so I don't know where you're getting your info...they've remained Christians in a band...maybe not a Christian Band but I know for a fact 3 of the members are
@@allencarey7336 dang, I didn't realize that 2007 was only 5 years ago 😂
Being "more metal" doesn't make it better. TCOT wasn't as metal as everything after TOCS, so by your standards, they should be better 🤷♂️
And yeah, Acts of Depression and Cries of the Past are awesome, but they couldn't have done songs like that forever or he would have blown his voice from bad technique. You can say Spencer is a "poser" all you want, but that's not gonna change the fact that Dallas couldn't have kept up with the rest of the band
You cannot make a list of influential metal core albums and not include Zao.
what an awesome and relatable interview for anyone born in the 80s-90s lol. I never would've put money back in 2007 on what heavy bands would still be kicking in 2023.
I still jam most of these albums. Beloved is such an underrated band. I’d probably add FTFD Changes and BYD Cover Your Tracks.
Death to traitors was a good song by Beloved
Architects is a great example of a band that lost everything interesting or unique about them and became a washed out accessible version of metalcore that genuinely wants to be close to pop music.
I love this list. The Oncoming Storm by Unearth and The Fall of Ideals by All that Remains are in my top top favorites as well.
Interesting list! Will for sure check out some of the stuff I don’t know.
Pass the Flask is definitely one of the most underrated metalcore albums. It's still an example of the gold standard in the genre. Also, this is Love... This is Murderous, that album still holds up and can give anything modern or since, a run for their money.
Frail words collapse is one of my favorites
Def hear the Still Remains keys influence, what a great band to pull from for keys. 👌🏼
I have no idea why but I went into this video hoping they'd mention Symphony in Peril. Was surprised but very satisfied to see that they did. The Whore's Trophy is a dang good record that doesn't get the recognition it deserves, and even though I heard Stilletto for the first time from a "drive-by moshpit" video on Facebook like 5 years after that record came out it was still influential to me. Good shit
Very underrated Christian band.
Drive by hardcore dancing 😂
Honestly could not get into that album. Their first one was v nice tho
Symphony in Peril is such a gross Christianity. Like if this was two hundred years ago, for sure they'd be murdering teenage girls.
@@aplus1080 Well it’s not and they haven’t, they just made one really good album, one mediocre album, so what’s your point here bud?
As soon as he said keyboards, I instantly thought Still Remains, and sure enough he said the same! Still Remains deserves to be on any metalcore necessity list...They were a massive influence on my early guitar days.
These guys are me if I had stuck with music. Seriously I have all these albums on CD still lmao
So happy to see The Bled on here. Wow. ❤️
Always thought Beloved was a regional NC-core band, because I moved from NC for work and while I met metalcore fans elsewhere, none of them ever heard of Beloved. Glad to see them get some attention.
If Hope Dies is such a good band, glad they got some credit 🔥🙌🏾
Played with TDWP at Trenton Fisherman's Club. One of the funnest shows I ever played. About 300 kids in a small ass room going nuts. Love the list.
Love that they mentioned Beloved. When I was in college, I saw them live in the basement of a church. The drummer/screamer was trucking thru the songs and told us he had to crap really bad lol
Still Remains and Beloved 🤘
My top 10 metalcore albums are:
Guardians by august burns red
When we don’t exist by like moths to flames
When the end began by silent planet
Chasing ghosts by the amity affliction
Loose threads by hollow front
With roots above and branches below by the devil wears Prada
Tongue Tied by earth groans
The last word is yours to speak by Phinehas
Eulogies by wolves at the gate
The hollow by Memphis may fire
Norma Jean’s first album tho
All Hella good albums! makes me wish I was 17 again I miss that sound of not so perfect raw recordings..
When I think of keyboard in metalcore I always think of Marta & Bleeding Through
For me some major albums are:
Folly - Insanity Later, Beloved - Failure On, UnderOath - The Changing of Times, Norma Jean - Bless the Martyr, Devil Wears Prada - Dear Love.
jersey dude, that followed folly from the beginning. hello!
Norma Jean was super influential to me. Bless the martyr was just timeless & raw. Every song too.
Bleeding through! Fuck yeah! Glad they got some flowers here!
Underoath the changing of times album is amazing and one that I listened to the most of any album
This list was my late teens and is still spun monthly
Surprised all that remains or KSE didn’t get a mention
No Poison The Well?!?
Not gonna lie, completely distracted by Mike with no mustache. I don't think I've seen him without the stache in many many years lol
Still remains, the bled 18 visions…such classics
still remains were such a gem 😢
I still love fall of ideals by all that remains such a great album
I haven’t listened to these guys since htmlrulesd00d days when I was a child but I see the changing of times in the thumbnail it literally cannot watch.
BELOVED LOVE YES!!!
Beloved is so underrated and its such a shame they only put out one album!
Beneath the sky-goodfellas
Classic death influenced early metalcore
The Christian hardcore love here is awesome. I really believe that scene had something special during the era that TDWP came up on.
I felt this list on a personal level.
Failure On by Beloved is one of the best albums ever🙌🏽
100%
if anyone loves old school metalcore and doesn't know about Holly springs disaster check out there my pet monster EP. Best thing to ever come out of Canada next to maple syrup.
No Botch?
Changing of times is easily my fav underoath album. Dallas was that dude!
Really thought It Dies Today was going to be brought up.
Good bands there🤙 This Day Forward and Hopesfall were big influences on me personally.
Still Remains = underrated :3
All That Remains - Fall of Ideals. The popularity of Metalcore genre doesn't get as big as it is/was if this album didn't happen.
This music is just boybandcore to me. Like "I want to be metal but I also value my bangs."
I knew still remains was gonna be here
I'm not going to lie, Jane Doe was the first record I thought of when I read this video title.
same
How is this possible, that there are no Botch records or Jane Doe from Converge?
Because every list has them and shouting out something not that many people know is cool?
@@franlovelsimic8421 But the thing is, these albums actually changed the landscape of the genre, the pedestal, foundation, and are the biggest influences. They are the most innovative and pushing horizons like albums of this genre.
@@jackcravford8744 they absolutely did but not for these guys. Not that big on DWP btw, was just curious to see what defined their style.
@@franlovelsimic8421 copy that, that makes sense
Botch was the sh*t!!
The bled is way underrated! Solid pick;)
Beloved, dead to fall, Silverstein…. Miss the early 2000’s
They were some damn good times. Good music was really infinite at the time.
@@FLINTmitten810
Cheers mate;)
Mike❤❤❤
dayton ohio metalcore kid from the mid aughts... the nostalgia is TOO MUCH.
The bled was sooo good
Hell yeah huge Dallas Taylor/Maylene fan only UO record I like is TCOT and still remains! personally loved the serpent love to see them do some shows one day know they do a show here n there maybe haste the day too be insane!
you should revisit Lost in the sound of separation
I thought the thumbnail was Matt and Jeff Hardy
Damn Still Remains was my jam that so awesome
The BLED fucking rule.
STILL REMAINS!
>not Alive or Just Breathing by KsE
Atreyu - The Curse
They were ripping off eighteen visions though
Atreyu suicide notes and butterfly kisses, and the curse were both great albums!
This genre feels like it was created as a result of the jump to digital rercording. Polished . The one is always at the one and riffs are heavy and glorious yet strangely consistent. sometimes things sound too perfect and to me, less human. The concept of a live recording after 2005 or so seemed to lose its shine.
Ah yeah, Beloved ftw. Soooo ahead of their time
#1: Once Nothing - Earthmover. You know it to be true.
Killswitch is by no means one of my favs but goddamn….not mentioning them on this list is really absurd lol
He mentions them #11
@@-Melkor you’re right. I’m an idiot lol. My bad.
BMTHs “Count Your Blessings” will probably be my all time favorite Metalcore record. To each their own, everyone is gonna have theirs, and I personally think it comes down to the whole time and place thing. For my life, it was the perfect album for that era. Same with the rest up to TTS, though I wouldn’t consider anything after Suicide Season metalcore. It’s really disappointing to see the music they’re making now, I feel like they’re currently in their “St Anger, Load, Reload” phase.
ah man no It Dies Today or All That Remains?
BLEEDING THROUGH….. is best album on list. And it’s not close.
cmon man, not a single atreyu album?
I was never in to that Core genre, I barely know any of those Bands you mentioned, and If I know them, I never liked them 😂😂.
TDWP is one of the few Core bands I like.
No lights? No music?