Our Custom DIY Barn DOORS FAILED!!! Now What?!?
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- Our Custom DIY Barn DOORS FAILED!!! Now What?!?
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Al, part of the problem with the doors is that they are only finished on one side. This will cause the doors to bow.
I was wondering if someone had commented exactly what you did, if not I was going to say the same thing. Good morning!
I thought the same thing
Exactly. Poly or prime all 4 sides. Moisture issue.
Exactly !
Fully agree. Needs to be the same structure both sides. Sorry...
Sorry about the doors. I'm glad this happened before the pigs arrived. I still think you should put a board down on the floor behind the feed bins so that the bins will have a stop and they will be even without an effort.
We like the videos that are all over the place as you say because they are less boring. I probably should not use the term boring but variety is the spice of life after all.
Good morning Modern Steaders from steamy SouthTexas!
Howdy Frances - stay cool!
To repeat what others have said - you need to finish/seal BOTH sides. And I believe you could rescue the other doors by adding metal bracing horizontally across the inside to pull the bow back out of them.
AHH! finished on one side, someone noticed, as I, The Humidity on the inside with critters (humidity) vs the outside usually low humidity and the sun. If the wood is dry and sealed to prevent the absorption of moisture on the inside helps a lot
Heard the rooster crowing and reminded me of Moose and his unique vocal display. Miss that guy.
Make sure that you coat both sides of the door, not just the outside as that may contribute to the bowing.
That would be interesting if that was the problem
Yes, I just commented the same thing. Paint or stain on only one side of certain projects will warp the job.
@@jacksak Al didn't paint or stain them. That was a burning technique he used. Would that have had the same effect as stain or paint? I don't know.
@@margaretbedwell3211 I think that's exactly the issue. Doing both sides may have lessened the distortion of the wood. My old 2-slice toaster had a broken middle element so I'm familiar with the result of burning one side with the opposite left raw.
@@margaretbedwell3211 I am guessing that if you change the breath-ability or density of only one side, then the item will warp. I retired from painting but whenever I had a new bare wooden door I made sure I primed both sides without waiting for one side to dry. Otherwise the door might warp.
Looks like George needed that salt block, he also looked back at you while you were talking to the camera like " who is he talking too". All these animals are so blessed having you & Gina caring for them🤗🙏
Who would have thought when you built the hay feeder for the goats, that you would be using it for highland cattle.
Al a type of Cow to consider; Belted Galloways ( the "Oreo" Cow ) were imported to North America beginning in the 1940s, and the Belted Galloway Society in the United States was founded in 1951.
Beneath the flashy appearance is a very useful animal. The Belted Galloway is well adapted to cold, rugged climates; as part of this adaptation, the cattle grow a shaggy hair coat (a “double coat”) in the winter. In the summer, Belted Galloways shed this coat and tolerate warm climates better than most other cold-adapted cattle. Galloways are medium in size, with cows weighing about 1,000 lbs. and bulls about 1,600 lbs. Cows show strong maternal instinct, including the ability to protect calves against predators. They are polled.
Belted Galloway beef, like that from Galloways and other Scottish breeds, is of high quality and can be marketed in a variety of specialty niches, including grass-fed and organic beef. The long body conformation increases the production of high-priced cuts of beef. Hides may be used to make rugs, and the belting pattern combined with the shaggy hair makes these products distinctive and attractive.
In Europe, the breed is considered a “light grazer,” meaning that its relatively light bodyweight makes it preferred for grazing where heavier animals would damage marginal lands. Belted Galloways are also known for their browsing ability and ability to graze coarse grasses that other breeds avoid, giving them added value in the management and diversification of grasslands.
Their hardiness and gentle temperament as well as their attractive coloring make them a favorite choice for beginning farmers.
Thanks. I’ll have to look into them some more
Wow, interesting information!
@LumnahAcres Hi Al, the type of lumber makes the difference too. I used 2 X 6 Douglas Fir for its stability. Hemlock Fir and Spruce Fir are less stable in the door construction. Maybe after doing your finish you could do a Thompson Water Seal to close the Pores of the wood. I hate ty o see you have to replace thise large doors also. Good Luck, follow you and Gina for years now. Take care, Frank B.
Thank you for the info
Love Belted Galloway! Our friends have them. When we’re ready, we will be investing in them. We’re in OR.
An option for your doors night be to cover them in sheet metal. But paint them white to keep them from absorbing too much heat. That heat transfers into the space with the animals. Pigs can't take too much heat. That's why they need a wallow to cool them down.
Al add a piece of angle iron to each door panel to pull the back to a flat door at the bottom and top of each.
21:17 some people are reusing feed bags as free, big pots in the garden. Fill with soil, poke a couple of holes for drainage and you got a free pot! 💖🌞🌵😷
Thanks for sharing that! That's a great idea! Wonderful.
I would just like to go on record as predicting Al will be the owner of a shiny new track saw within the next thirty days. Anyone else have a prediction?
I can't believe how big Brutus is getting!❤
You should put the salt block under cover. Leaving it out, the livestock will kick dirt in the pan, and when it rains, you'll have a muddy, salty mess in the pan. It will clog up the holes, start souring, and the salt block will be sitting in a muddy puddle.
Good advice! Have a wonderful day!
Al, I also think you should do both sides of doors the same. If you burn and poly one side then do the same to the other side.
The highlands are so calm. Amazing how they let you brush them.
I think another reason your 2x6 doors warped so much is that you bought them from the big box store. Those pine boards were likely not nearly as dry as 3/4" wood you bought from a lumber yard. Being more wet, the sun dried it more, which led to more wood movement.
Al, I would have tried a piece of 2" angle iron bolted thru the door at the top middle and across the bottom rounding off the protruding sharp corners. You still may need to do this as these doors are kinda wide. I had to do this on a 60" wide door one time, it worked really well. Have a great day to all the Lumnah's. Jay from Pa.
Your new doors look great. Love the highland cows ! I LOVE YOU ALL !! 🥰🥰🥰
I agree with other comments , you only finished one side of the door , so it pulls in that direction, if you trim the other side it will balance the load , just like when you laminate kitchen cabinets, you need to do both sides for even pull , great barn , thanks for all the great videos, special thanks for Ontario Canada
I think I would probably put some angle iron around the edges, plywood does also warp. The angle iron worked pretty good on your big barn doors.
Wow how frustrating! I hope you have great success with this new set.
On the old doors, did you alternate the growth rings? Maybe that's why they bowed as bad as they did.
Hey Al, I've got a couple of tracksaws and I find them invaluable. I've been able to make many of the cuts i would use with my table saw with the track saw. Cutting with the track saw is much safer.
You have painted the doors only on one side that is the reason that they bowed only to one side. You need to take them off lay them flat on something wet them with water they cone be straight again. After painting them on both sides very well. They don’t bowing anymore.
I wonder if that’s the issue. They are painted they are Shashi Bond
@@LumnahAcres Shou sugi ban Al and you need to add layers of diluted boiled linseed oil on them until you reach 100% boiled linseed oil coating to let it soak deep into the wood for moisture protection too. I love your first doors and I hope they can be used in other projects on the homestead. I do think that finishing them all around would have helped the doors stay straight. Great work guys!
Good Afternoon from Hutchinson, MN. Wow, those doors sure shrank. Would you be better off buying doors already built??... All the critters look happy… The hardware store called, they can get you a deal on a 55 gal. Drum of glue. After all, you are the number one user in town...
Afternoon. If I bought some I'm not sure I got them the size we need.
Good evening Rob
Good morning Rob! I have flown in and out of the airport in Hutch! Just an hour and a half north of y'all.
Good morning, Rob!
@@forrestgump9576 Nice to hear. Been out our way in the last year.?? Several new hangers, including the Fav. BIG BLUE…aka CAP Camp Craig.
Al I’m so glad you got a chance to see what happened with the doors and to be able to get them fixed 😮😊❤
May the lord bless and protect you and Gina and working on the homestead and building new doors
Great day Al Gina and all for the Lumnah friends. I'm not so sure that the doors failed, they are BARN DOORS, Not show doors ! If anything FAILED, It was the LOCKS. Those door locks needed to have larger and slide bolts to secure them, the latches you used may be fins on smaller or indoor doors but large outdoor doors need larger and stronger locks and hinges, you have the hinges. As always, things will work out, thank you for all you do, take care, see you Thursday !
Hey everyone, The Highlands are beautiful 😍❤️ that sucks about the warped doors. You worked so hard on them 😢
Hey there SassiLou! 😉
@@samvalentine3206 hey Sam, hope you good 😊
14:15 The reason wood splits is because you didn't give it room for expansion. Especially, where you have cross grain applications like this. Wood moves. It's bowing because you didn't give it anywhere else to go. If you have to do this again use slots and screws to allow for expansion. 💖🌞🌵😷
He didn’t 😂
Al, I know absolutely nothing about building doors. You are a hard worker, and there is nothing wrong with trying to save a buck. It just gives us another project to watch. Have a good day!
So true! Al is not afraid of showing things that didn’t work out as expected. He then show his correction fix.
Good thing Al is a patient man, otherwise he’d be cursing up a storm of naughty words!
Use angled steel or squared stock on both sides, and slice the bent wood, to help bring it back to flat. Bolt through the wood. That should keep the wood straight.
Well live & learn, it’s all part of the process. And sharing your experience spares others to follow.
Your work is amazing regardless of things like the doors.
Love the new Highland cattle and everything you share.
Give Brutus big belly rubs for me.
I allways used to put 5mm thick by 50mm x 50mm angle iron along the top bottom and sides, and the doors I used to make never bowed, I hope this helps ❤
Gooooooood afternoon, Lumnahs!
*Lumnah Acres* By gluing the wood you leave no room for expansion & contraction after a wile they will continue to crack more & more. The inside vertical boards should just be tacked together, so they can move. GOD Bless.
I hope you can make it. Work right from the bowing problem. Your cows are looking beautiful indeed. Keep up the great work.
What a shame after all the hard work that Al has put into those doors never mind the expense. Well, not never mind it but wow.!
Redman will analyze your soil and mix salt blocks for your specific farm. The only catch is you have to buy a pallet at a time. 💖🌞🌵😷
So anxious to see what you are growing in your garden. Gina, hope you get to can a lot from your garden.
The new doors look good
My 3 Cents, Rebuilding The Barn Door.. How about Angle Iron as an outer Frame piece containing the wood structure.. Your not taking away from the aesthetics..
His guy is correct, AL, you maybe working on the doors once again!
I was going say same just iron and more screws
I love my track saw. I don't own a table saw. I use a miter saw, a classic radial arm saw, and then a track saw.
I think I would have tried angle iron on the inside of the doors and brought them back into shape. New doors will probably work too. Just a lot of work. Do you think you might have the same problem with the big sliding doors? I see Brutus likes water like our German shepherd. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe
So sorry the doors failed. The highland cows loved to be brushed. We had damaging Tornado's last night in Oklahoma. It was a long scary day and night. 😢
I hope you're okay. That did sound like a terrifying time over there! So sorry you had to go through that!
Al, you can make a saw track with a thin and narrow piece of plywood. Place on your work piece and use it as a guide to run your saw down. Worked with an older carpenter on a mission trip and he didnt bring his table saw on the trip, just his saw guide. I learned how to rip without a table saw.
Create triangles on your doors. By doing diagonals for rigidity. 😁👍🏼😁👍🏼
Great job Al
God Bless from your Canadian Friend.
I used exterior siding ply and backed with 2x4s and glued with liquid nail.
They have been there for ever.
Al, you can buy the tracks separately. You don't need to buy a new saw. I would also suggest adding a strip of aluminium or steel along the top of the doors to prevent rain getting into the wood grain, which is what caused the old doors to bow and split. L plates work best.
You might try adding some angle metal to the framework of your door to insure it won’t warp and deal with any shrinkage. You would have to attach every vertical board to the metal angle. A good stiffener.
Highland cows are so cute, I’m sure they love you brushing them.
I built my shed, garage doors & double gates using the same timber. However, I framed mine different on the reverse using more cross members & haven't had a problem & they've been up between 5 & 10 years so far. Gates will need replacing this year due to rotting in places but can't complain at 10yrs old now.
Sorry about the doors. God bless.
Maybe you should try buying the " Wood Glue " in a 45 gallon drum ! I'm sure you must be able to get one somewhere ? Happy Trails from 🇨🇦 to the 🇺🇸 . ✌ out
So I always have difficulty cutting long straight cuts, so I made a "track saw" using two pieces of plywood. Works great.
I've used my track saw on everything since my table saw bit the dust... you can even set up mine as a kinda mini table saw with a cable tie to keep the trigger pressed hehe
Seen this happen to a extremely expensive wood ceiling. 2 x 2 panels warped enough to fall out of the ceiling on to peoples heads. Same issue raw wood on one side and massive changes in humidity.
Best gift my sons ever bought me a Festool track saw. They're not cheap i know my 4 sons went in together for Christmas and got it for me
Sounds like your sons really care for you to get you one for Christmas! I'm sure you're putting it to good use. I bet they are happy to see you use it. Have a great day!
Good Morning Al and Gina!! ☕️ 🦋✨️
Another learning opportunity Al 😂😂😂
It sure is. 😆
Good Morning y'all, Maybe I missed it?....But you also need to put an x brace in the doors. That will help keep them from getting warped.
Al you need an 8’ x 4’ work bench on castors desperately use the timber from the old doors for the legs and stretchers it will ease the pain of doing the job twice
Al 🇬🇧
Hey Al...just a tip for the salt block. You'd do well to keep the salt block dry (out of the rain), and don't put it into a bowl that will collect moisture.
I have always used a stakeout method to train and settle my bulls to halter and lead. This would also allow them to graze in different area each day while being back in the lot at night.
@Al, life happens and like I've been told over and over in my life... "IF" you don't have time to do it right the first time, you'll always have time to do it right... the second time 😊 I used to tell my boys that as they were growing up 😅
To bad miles is the cow your gonna eat! He’s such a sweet boy it would be nice to keep him around!
It's Myles.
Al, I think you can use the doors that you going to replace in the garden in the shape of a triangle.
Al, best way to keep your doors square and true use angle iron applied all around the four sides. May not need 4 just how well they straten out the gap.
Tks for video. I am all into highlander cow decor, just love seeing them here. Much love to ya. Until next time.
An issue you may face with making your doors like this is wood movement. You're putting solid stock, glued and with mechanical fasteners onto a plywood substrate. The plywood will not expand and contract with temperature and moisture like the sold stock will...which means at some point, there is risk of the solid stock cracking, etc. Then the bracing in the cross grain direction moves in the opposite direction as the solid stock faces. This is a challenge of building doors and is not criticism...it's a heads up that you may still have issues.
On the track saw question....they are absolutely useful and valuable. Yes, one can make an edge guide to run a regular circular saw along, but but since the saw is not captured by the guide there will still be variation in the quality of the cut due to the human hand as you move through the operation. A tracksaw keeps things more accurate. Almost all the major brands have tracksaw setups so if you opt for battery operated, go with the brand your other battery operated power tools use. If corded, it doesn't matter as much.
think about adding a strongback board at the top, middle, bottom to prevent warping. could use 2x4 with 45 deg angles on end so it doesn't catch opening. I've even see a few use 1 1/2 angle iron bolted on the same way.
Use the 6x2 as your frame ,use the steel attach to frames and they will last for many years . When the ply wood gets wet the door will bend again
Track saw, well worth it. I have a Makita and I love it.
Sometimes, Al, that's the way it goes. You work so hard on something and then it don't work out. Such beautiful doors too. Life happens, we have all been there! The cattle are doing great. IMHO, Al, you can never use to much glue! lol
Good morning David! I agree!
Sometimes I think he likes spending money
AMEN TO THE GLUE…. GLUE YOUR HEART OUT!!!!
Do you suppose that if you had sealed those doors (both sides) with Thompsons or some other sealer after burning them it would have prevented the warping? Just a thought…….
Also when he cuts the doors where they split using a 45degree angle so the water can’t run in so easily would help. I live in Amish county and that’s what they do so the water doesn’t just run in and down inside the door as much as a straight cut.
Morning Lumnah family. Al make your own track saw with plywood
Al, bolt 2" x 2"x 1/4" angle iron at top and bottom of each door. Bevel or round the angle iron ends. If you want you can drill a hole in the in the bottom angle iron of the top door and the top angle iron of the bottom door, and pin them together just to make both latches work to keep both doors shut. Good luck!
I believe they are absorbing moisture and the wood is swelling up and with no gap between the boards they have to bend. Maybe if you had sealed the doors on both sides and left an expansion gap they may not warp.
Al, you could do like you did for you large barn doors and build an angle-iron frame for the doors to attach the wood to. That would eliminate any warping.
I love watching your videos. On the weekends I always check but I have to wait like everyone else. I'm never disappointed other than wanting more 😁.
Gooood morning Lumnah's! We feel so bad for the door tragedy ( that sounds a lil dramatic however I believe correct ) the time, effort and cost is just numbing. Thanks for sharing ( the good AND the bad ).
Yes on the Track saw, Al. I originally used it just to break down sheet goods, but as time progresses I have used it for so many projects I could not imagine not having one. Way safer than using a table saw a lot of times , and way more accurate and simpler than using a straight edge.
I’m sorry you had to redo the doors. Such a bummer. Thanks for keeping it real and showing us.❤
The good thing about doors failure is that Free Range Chickens are safe with Brutus unsupervised, an advantage from adequate training has been accomplished !
No blaming after the fact, but' its a shame Steer Myles isn't a Breading Bull for the farm, including for his shiny Black Coat !
Al you could easily salvage those doors with a couple pieces of angle, iron, and some bolts with a straight and the doors right out
The screws on the back of the door on each of the 2x6s are holding inside edges together causing imbalance stress and the concave to the inside. You could flatten the doors on the floor by adding weight on top to flatten the bow then add metal straps on the outside face to offset the bowing stress ( If your new doors don't work out either but hopefully they do :).)
I haven't seen boarddoors warp like that that were dried and sealed. Have you thought about putting a piece of angleiron on the top and bottom and maybe a different door latch? That is heart breaking all the work you did making. Better luck on the new doors.
Al you can go get some metal u channel at home depot. Drill holes along the u channel 2 in on center and install it on the backside of the door. I would start by installing two on each section and see how it goes.This tecnique is used to keep table tops flat too.
You have to watch the moisture count in the wood and use a good sealer to keep moisture out.🤔. Those that you made should be much better. But cured dry wood may work also.
Good evening from Wexford Ireland
Good morning Annette!🌄😊
Good morning, Annette!
@@samvalentine3206
Hi Sam
@@forrestgump9576
Hello Forrest
Does staining or painting only one side of the door make it warp? I know it does for certain other stain/paint jobs.
Al
Maybe y could add horizontal angle iron at top and bottom.
Also if you had let us know earlier you might have gotten other ideas. Just my thoughts. Have a great day.
Did you use kiln dried wood for your frames?? even though you did the burn finish you should put a sealer on the wood ! I try to keep good cabinet grade or premium grade lumber inside for a while before using it, that way it has a chance to dry out and stabilize. Todays wood goes from tree to lumber so fast it doesnt have time to cure out! You did great with the doors just mother nature threw you some curved wood! keep up the Great videos
We had to use some steel on our doors. Layed them down to get the bow out then put steel strips on the top middle and bottom on both sides.