L.A.B. DF3 VS. PXG ALLAN // Best torque-free putter available?
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- Zero-torque putters like the L.A.B DF3 and PXG Allan are creating buzz and cult followings among pros and recreational golfers alike. But what makes Zero-Torque putters special, and just how similar do these two putters work?
Today, Mikey is in the studio to test if PXG Allan is truly torque free like the L.A.B. DF3. Could you simply choose between the DF3 and the Allan or is there more to match up with stroke than is advertised?
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Have a chuckle perspective: As a 72 year old, 16 handicap golfer my primary criteria in a putter is that the back architecture allows to easily scoop up the ball off the green thus eliminating the necessity to bend over to pick it up.
The only reason why I’m not gaming an 8802
Then the either of these would be good for you. Both have a ball picker.
If you had a putter fit for your stroke you’d hole more putts and would have to get it out of the hole instead 😜
Grab a ping fetch. It fits in the cup lol
They make suction cups for grips
People that wonder why putters with low to no torque putters are so beneficial should watch this video. Everyone understands what “expanding” the sweet spot in a driver does for shot consistency, reducing torque in a putter is basically the same.
I have been playing the PXG Allan for several months and my putting has really improved. My Arccos stats prove that putting is now the strongest part of my game. My putting handicap is 4 lower than my actual index.
@@relentless1 I tested the LAB, Allen and Evnroll Zero Z-1 putters and the Evnroll worked best for me. So I ordered the Z-1 in red, it will be ready in January.
Cannot wait to order a custom-fit LAB DF3 in a couple of weeks! Bought the base model DF3 (going to sell it after) and I'm absolutely a believer
Exactly the comparison I was looking for; as a PXG fan for most of my bag and a Mezz Max putter owner, love the fair and balanced comparison.
DF3 - Broomstick - Pink head - Upgraded TPT shaft = $1,038. That is one expensive putter! Good luck to you Ian and Mikey as you move on from CC, I hope we can all keep up with you on your other social media platforms!!
me tooo Actually going for a fitting tomorrow Dec 28 for a broomstick and DF3, girl friend getting a full bag checkout
The science behind these putters is fascinating. Good video.
Ian, your point about gripping the putter changes the zero torque characteristic is spot on. The ? is whether the zero torque style nonetheless more comfortably promotes a square face at impact better than other styles. What I got out of this video is that a putter fitting adds more value than I thought due to the increased amount of data available.
The one we've wanted to see!! Thanks.
I was at PXG in Scottsdale last week and tested their Allan putter, which is extremely nice. I'm a taller player, too, but I chose the Evnroll ER2 38" Tour. Love the length and thr brudge between blade and mallet. Test an Evnroll tour 38
All I know is I have like 8 putters and I practice with all of them. I rank them on my shelf left to right, most to least favorite, and my two LABs (mezz max and link) occupy spots 1a and 1b. Nothing is more stable and repeatable in terms of hitting my start line. I did just order an odyssey square to square jailbird for fun, but I can't imagine it dethrones the labs.
A selection of 'zero torque' putters are hitting the market in an attempt to capture LABs momentum, this was timely and eye opening. Please consider testing the Bettinardi Antidote SB2, thank you!
I have the Mezzi and it has transformed my putting but it’s still possible to manipulate the face and get it all wrong. It took a while to trust the pendulum, particularly on longer putts. Worth the money for sure.
I'd really like to see a comparison between these and a more traditional putter with a less skilled, higher handicap, player. That would better showcase the low/zero torque technology and more accurately compare them for us mere mortals to see if it is actually beneficial or just a feel thing. Thanks for the great video as this was the exact comparison I've been looking for.
Agreed.
I'm a 14ish handicap. From a purely anecdotal perspective, the LAB is a complete game changer. I'd certainly love to see data though!
Ditto what @aarondrossart6026 said. I'm a 16 index and have just switched from Odyssey Whitehot OG #7 to a DF3. I love the feel of the Odyssey and have used it for the past 3 seasons. I struggle with both hitting my start line and pace. The DF3 has greatly improved my start line so I can focus more on pace. My putting is much better. It's not a cure all but I'm 2 putting much more instead of 2 putting and my second putts are much closer than before. I notice on my indoor putting mat that using the DF3 is helping me putt better with the Odyssey. I think the DF3 is just much easier to square. So much so that I don't have to spend any effort getting it square.
Yep
Df3 20% off during Black Friday from lab… I’ll be the first one to make the purchase this year when the discount goes live. ❤
Pleaseeeee could you do a review of a counterbalanced DF3 (vs maybe a load of other counterbalanced putters like thr Allan, Jailbird, spider...and whatever else you can think of) as there's currently zero decent counterbalanced comparison videos on UA-cam.
Thx in advance, love your content, easily the best club reviews on YT
Evnroll zero next please!!
I want one or the other! I just prefer the PXG Allan’s looks!
I'm a good putter. But the USGA has banned my approach to putting. Specifically, using a stand-up putter to look at the line behind the putter. (You can use the stand-up putter, but you can't use it the way it was designed to be used.) That caused me to go looking for a replacement. I settled on the Allan. It is, by far, the most accurate putter I've ever hit. I loved the Happy Putter for its incredible flexibility (lie, loft, weighting, etc.). And I truly loved the Craz-E, still the best rolling putter ever.
I've been using center-shafted putters for three decades, so I knew I needed a similar replacement. While the Allan isn't exactly that, it sets up that way, looks that way, and performs that way. Because I have a (mostly) square-to-square front-to-back stroke (hence, the center shaft), the Allan has fit the bill nicely. I'm putting better than ever, even though I've lost the ability to read the line from behind. Highly recommended.
Going to do the Evnroll Zero line?
Watch Rick Shiels review
What are your thoughts on the ER face forward putters? I game an ER11vx and I think the new ones look god awful
@@arpus1995 bad review sadly
@@roondoggers87 it’s literally the same tech. Pointless
@@roondoggers87 l hope so, love to watch that.
Thanks for this gents, have been wondering the similarities between these two.
My df3 is a thing of beauty.
Thanks for this video. It answers a lot of questions I've had about these putters. I've always detested center shafted putters for the reasons Ian describes but this has me interested in trying out the L.A.B. Used a Ping Anser style for 40 years, got a mallet 2 years ago which has noticeably helped my putting, and now maybe one of these next...
Same, couldn't look at a center shafted putter, played 9 holes with a LAB, felt like I was cheating so I bought it, 3 rounds later its just getting better.
I have the allen on order can’t wait to get it and try it
Currently using a LAB Link 1 and have no complaints about it. Definitely helped with my putting and took a while to get used to but the numbers on Trackman were a lot better than my Scotty Cameron Newport 2 was. Really wanted a Mezz though but again it didn't work quite as well.
Your experience is similar to mine. I decided to ignore the ugliness and go for a Mezz but the fitting didn’t go well, the L.A.B Link worked much better for me. That said, I still use my Scotty Cameron from time to time and find I’m putter better with that as well.
Great video guys. Like what you said about them not being interchangeable. Living and playing in Scotland I will wait until the spring before I try one. My preference would be for the PXG. Don't like the idea of a putter grip with forward lean built in. Hopefully by spring other manufacturers will have entered the market. Giving more choice.
I bought a LAB I’m liking it. My only issue (apart from the looks) is I’m really struggling with pace control from 15ft. It’s feeling like I’m just stroking it nicely but I’m sending it 6ft past the hole.
Love the comparison. Hard to find a spot that has both the Lab and the Allan.
I really prefer the look of the Alann putter. I still use the old model of the oddessey Marxman the red 1 with the s neck and keep going back to it. Ive got 3,4 and 500£ putters in my garage but the Marxman with the line is super easy to line up. The Alann appeals to me big time
I had a terrible experience when I tried to get fitted for a putter at my local club champion. They weren’t detailed and analyzed the data like you guys did. I used the SAM machine on my putter and the fitter didn’t use the SAM machine on the one I got “fitted” to. Anyways, still on the lookout for a new putter that’ll help me on the greens. I have my eye on the DF3
Where you from?
@@stephanemorency9260 I went to the Roseville, CA location.
Really like the putting videos. Testing balls would be cool too!
Fascinating video and very well done. I recently read an article stating that all of the manufacturers apparently will be launching their own Zero-torque putters this Spring, 2025, which is wild to think about. I'd be very curious as example, to see, read about Scotty Cameron's approach to this (if they go into this at all) along with Odyssey, etc. I'm not on board yet. Yet......
Cannot wait to see the muse against the Evnroll zero 2 or 5!
More putter content would be great. No body on UA-cam is providing a quantitative analysis of putters.
Dang, he doesn't miss
I’d like to see another video like this with the new Odyssey square2square and Bettinardi Antidote being compared.
2:46 couldn’t help but chuckle when the Costco delivery truck drove by🤣 CC getting an order of K Sig irons??
All jokes! lol
Thanks for doing this review. I will continue with my LAB Broomstick although this is very informative
Stoked to get a DF3!
I would love if someone did a comparison between all of the shafts that they offer; TPT, steel, ACCRA, BGT
tpt is firm, accra is very soft, steel feels same as steel but feels a tad heavier , i’ve tried them all hope this helps
Good video, decided to buy odyssey stroke lab big 7 backstryke, same zero torque idea, just wondered if you ever did a review of that putter Sam Hann was impressed with it on his video with the revealer
Odyssey Toe Up #7 in my bag.
Have you guys done an analysis of the Odyssey Square to Square Jailbird putter?
i don't know why we keep calling the Allan a "zero torque" putter. it's not. it literally tries to return to a specific position; same as a "face-balanced" putter. They've simply changed the balance point. the LAB is a true "zero torque" putter in that it doesn't try to return to a specific position during the swing; it's agnostic to position relative to the stroke. For context, the same argument exists against the Evnroll zero.
Fantastic video! Thank you!
Allen is best for me I’ve had both
Hopefully you guys review the Odyssey square to square...👍
What about the Evnroll zero Z-1 putter? How does it compare to the DF-3 and the Allen putter’s?
Interested in adding in new Odyssey
great review
I’ve felt the DF3, and I will admit it feels amazing how smooth and easy it is to have a consistent arc. But I just cannot game this because of the looks. Just looks so bad to my eye visually it would get in my head
I love my broomhandle DF putter. I have no intention of changing it out.
Wow L.A.B is incredible!
They need to do a Cobra Agera vs Lab vid
Great video to compare.. But have 1 questions when use lab putter can see too upright? Should make it flat?
Would be nice to see two styles of players and putting styles and not just one guy and style to fit other stroke types. That would seem like a more accurate review honestly. Good video, seem like great putters either way
Do all club champion Locations have both LAB and PXG putters for fitting? (Specifically Jacksonville Fl) I would like to try both side by side!
Great information in the video. Enjoy watching you guys! Would the Mezz.1 Max behave the same as the DF3? Not a huge fan of the DF3 looks wise. I like the Mezz.1 Max better, but I do really like the look of the PXG Allan. Does Club Champion fit L.A.B putters as well as PXG Allan ?
Well done boys 🥃
The fact he corrected face angle using the LAB you would expect it to be correct straight away using the Allen
Loved my Evnroll but I benched it for a Link1.
Would love to see ya try the broomstick with the df3 head. Considering how great you did last time, what makes you not try it on course?
Interesting that Neither Ian or Mikey use Lab and still game blade putters
How do the Odyssey Toe Up putters compare?
Can't answer the question "Best torque-free putter available?"without including Axis1 putters.
Axis1 has the U.S. utility patent placing the center of gravity in line with the axis of shaft, grip, and in the center of the striking face, providing immediate feedback from the strike and allowing the lightest grip pressure for the most sensitive feel for distance control in addition to zero torque.
A putter is a tool, and Axis1 putters are perfectly balanced tools.
How are off-center strikes with the “torque-free” putters? As someone who strikes it on the toe, would you expect it to twist more or less than a toe-hang putter?
I get that a 6” window is impressive but for all practical purposes 2” is surely more than enough. Am I missing something?
I think that’s a very fair point considering ball possession should deviate that much.
I can’t get past the look of the DF3. The Allan putter suits my eye much better.
Took about 8 minutes to get used to. Once I made 4x 15 footers in a row(as a previously horrible putter), I couldn't care less what it looks like.
Jailbird cruiser is the King 👌
If you can putt you can putt speed control and breaking putts it’s the user but a quality tool helps a bit IMO
When are the left handed models be available to test?
I would love to See a Vice Mullet Center Schaft against da LAB MEZZ or the ALLAN !!!
have had both and for me the PXG was more consistent with speed control (when on a machine it skidded more than the PXG)....I just couldn't develop feel with the DF3.
@ThePowerbattle no never tried that one sorry
Really want that PXG Allan now & put that with my black ops 🦾
Do you fit the lab putter in store
If the Allen rotates more will it be easier to get distance right on longer putts? I have the DF1 and stopped using it due to lack of consistency of long putts. It was better on shorter putts.
Mikey just draining putts😊
What’s next after Club Champion, Ian?
My son asked why there's not an app with the 3d green mapping for your phone and a connected putter with a series of red beeping lights that turn green when you line up correct and flash when your practice stroke is the correct speed .
I said , son , that would be cheating.
He said , no , it's just the way it's going to be in the future.
what are your thoughts on a broomstick?
I still think there is too much emphasis on line and not enough emphasis on pace control. Obviously you need both, but pace is so much more important.
When speaking about each putter, its better to use the name of the putter you are referring to instead of saying this or that putter.
I had the exact same thought 😂
The Allan is a "torque free" putter but with a "toe-up" bias so the faced of the putter always falls back to square.
I had the same question as Ian re: does the torque free aspect really matter when it’s connected to the hands.
I don’t know the answer, but I do know: A) that my wallet is fatter, B) my buddies wallets are slimmer, and C) the Club Championship trophy in my book case sure looks nice.
I don’t know what voodoo goes on with the DF-3, but it’s a total keeper.
Couldn’t believe how good the DF3 was. Tried it and couldn’t not buy it.
Yep, borrowed club pro's DF3, played 9 holes, he had no choice but to name he's price.
Evnroll zero will be in the same conversation.
If your putting studio has the ability to putt breaking putt I think the LAB would be superior.
I think a LOT of this comes down to the grip you have on the putter as well. I see a lot of really ill fitted grips which essentially negate any positive results you *might* get from a gucci putter.
Fellas get outside on some breaking greens and do a proper test
I’m missing something here…
if LAB putters whole concept is zero torque then it demands a very neutral putting arc in order to manage the face and path to the cup… the whole point of having a toe or face or whatever weighted is that it literally is designed to square at impact (given all other variables) based on a specific putting arc.
So being fit for LAB is you putting for the putter rather than being fitted for a putter based on your arc.
I truly don’t buy into this LAB marketing, giving putters to all the UA-cam players and tour pros and their stupid contraption they swing putters about in, if I was other putter brands I’d be responding by saying “yes? You’re proving our weighting is doing what it’s supposed to”
I think you’re missing the point and calling it marketing. Listen to Ian at 17:17 - the lab is more stable in regard to face rotation. The LAB is weighted so perfectly it doesn’t try to twist in your hand the way every other putter does. Regardless of anyone’s stroke, that’s always better. More companies will go to this once LAB’s patents run out.
@@wiscobuckeye Face rotation is relative to putting arc, and my point is - you should be FIT for a putter that suits your stroke. I don’t have a straight back straight forward arc, in fact, most people don’t. As a putting aid to increase that to your stroke (should you want to) it makes a lot of sense to have a putter that doesn’t try to close or open the face (I think it’s questionable how much iT REALLY helps on a course and not on a scientific putting bay) but that’s another story.
Personally I am not looking to manipulate my stroke to fit a putter, I’d rather find a putter than suits my stroke, LAB with all their marketing are just showing you a different weighted putter than suits a specific section of the market well, I don’t buy that it fixes majority of avg putters strokes
@ you’re literally making the case for LAB putters without realizing it. I’m not trying to troll here - genuinely trying to help you understand the science. You are exactly correct: face rotation is relative to a players putting arc and everyone has a different putting arc. Which is why every LAB putters has to be custom fit to get the benefits from the science. Every other putter on the market wants to either open or close relative to your arc, and you have to manipulate it so that it doesn’t open or close more than it should in order to square it up at impact. But a properly fitted LAB putter will stay perfectly square to your arc (opening and closing the perfect amount) for the entire length of the stroke, and you won’t have to do anything to square it at impact. LAB putters are definitely NOT for people with a straight back and straight through putting stroke. In fact, the company themselves tells everyone there should be some amount of arc to a stroke: you just want the face to stay square to the arc. At the end of the day, I couldn’t care any less what you buy, it just bugged me when it became so obvious you are misunderstanding the science.
Most golfers need time to work with a L.A.B. putter, it requires a different stroke than normal putters AND you MUST be fit for the correct lie as in Lie Angle Balanced (NOT zero torque).
If you are used to manipulating the putter head as you would with a normal putter, it'll likely not be your best bet.
Never mind the putter just spotted a TXG sign in the background #TXGForever
PXG, Odyssey and other manufacturers are just jumping on the marketing band wagon with no torque concept created by LAB. LAB at the moment is the only manufacturer that truly produces a torque free putter. FACT!
At the end of the day, how well you read the green will determine your success.
Well… even if you read correctly, if you cant send it down the line you read, you wont succeed. It’s the combination that will determine the success.
Why do you guys always look like +5 golfers in the studio and when you play on a course you look like me.
Simulator golfers
Love the people requesting a high hcp test. They're the same people who will buy off the rack and never get a putter fitting
Guys what do you say when a customer brings up, I’m sure is a very common complaint, the horrible aesthetics. At what point does the benefit of performance cease to outweigh the off-putting effect of the look of the putter?
9 holes it took me, and I never liked the look of any centered shafted putter, now I look at my DF3 as a thing of beauty.
"The golf industry" = 3-4 tour pros use it....3-4 UA-camrs use it...
TONS of terrible putters with extra cash....buying up the latest snake oil.
Snake oil 😂😂
Yeah, I don't think PGA tour pros play with "snake oil" 😂
Not sure how accurate this is, but pgaclubtracker has LAB as the 5th most played on tour at 9. Mezz max and df3 are tied for first in most played model along with Ping PLD proto… so definitely not snake oil
Almost like practicing and learning to read putts from