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I just wish Rick would drop the Transparent lawsuit. I have since sold all my Hinderers. I can’t in good conscience own and support products from makers that can’t handle criticism from consumers. It’s unfortunate cause I really loved the Hinderer’s I’ve owned
@@nibrasge6375 I mean, transparent knows what he’s doing. He makes reblades and knows the exact heat treat of those reblades. He tested Hinderers heat treat and it was much lower than advertised. Then Rick got upset
I honestly never get tired of the Hinderer content. It's a great knife, and it deserves the attention. I still plan on picking up an XM-24, but that's something that'll have to wait till roughly the second quarter of next year for me.
I just got a xm18 3.5 blue g10 spanto blue titanium stonewashed and love it. It's my first hinderer and I don't regret it one bit. This knife begs to be used for everything. Good video as usual.
I have a non-flipper XM-18 and a FireTac. Your take on them is pretty spot on to how I feel about them. Great knives if they’re what you’re looking for, but won’t be worth it for many people.
Won’t own a Hinderer since they sued Transparent knives. Punching down at the little guy FOR TELLING THE TRUTH!!! Screw them. I was honest to God about to buy an XM 18. I do love them even still. Instead, I booked a reblade on my AD20.5 with Transparent. I’ll probably like my textured titanium AD20.5 in Magnacut better than an XM 18 anyway (definitely the blade steel), & I’ll have a badass knife with an extra blade for a hundred bucks or so less.
For me the XM-18 has 3 fatal flaws: 1. When you flip the knife open your finger lands on that rough jimping. 2. The clip is not deep carry and 3. Rick doesn't know how to take criticism and made the whole transparent knives drama a bigger deal than it needed to be lol
I almost made a joke about how MC should be careful because Hinderer might go after him for criticizing the fastener types, but that's almost too close to reality ...
I have an old Hinderer and it is bulletproof. But I bought a new ekipse 3.5 and the quality has really got bad on these knives. My buddy has one and holding them side by side and there are noticeable size tolerance differences in both knives. It seems like their manufacturing is inconsistent with the same knife made at different times.
My ZT 0562 has Ti frame lock not steel. Currently costing $550Aus with the XM18 @ $600Aus Min. But I still had to get one of each. Australia 🇦🇺 loves your show
Hey MC, i got into the knife hobby about 3 1/2 years ago and you and Nick Shabazz were the first channels i started watching and it was you that made me really want an XM-18 and i was finally able to get my hands on one last week, it's a 3.5 20CV no choil slicer with a red G10 scale from DLT Trading and i absolutely love it, I've bought quite a few knives because i trust your opinion, i just wanted to share that with you. Thanks for everything you do MC 👍
I'm new to the community and just learning about Hinderer suing Transparent Knives...Rick needs to drop it. He's not losing money and he shouldn't be butthurt. Anyway...you'll be happy to know I just got my first Hinderer (Gene XM-18) and I like it a lot. I almost bought a Firetac yesterday because the action made my heart skip a beat. I will have a newer one...definitely...but probably on the secondary market.
I have been lucky enough to try a decent amount of knives and I have pretty much settled on an XM-18 as my do all/daily carry. My favorite is a pretty basic 3.5in S45VN Spanto Stonewashed, and it can cut/do anything I need it to.
MC really enjoy your content! Only issue is now I have a pocket knife buying addiction. 😅 I just got my first Hinderer (XM-18 3.5, spanto, battle blue working finish, G10 blue/black). Love it so much I ordered another combination. Keep up the awesome work!
When my XM-18 Gen 6 arrived, the blade was extremely dull and it was way too tight to deploy. Fortunately, these were easy enough problems to fix. After a proper sharpening and tuneup, I really like it. I asked around, and got mixed responses. Some said they had never had any issues, and others said it was pretty normal for Hinderers to have poor QC. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and noting that people are much more likely to comment when something is wrong. I'll have a chance to find out if I can ever pick up an XM-24 from a retailer.
I've had 7-8 hinderers and they have all been pretty dull out of the box but after a little sharpening it is a great knife. The striders and crks I own have also been not so sharp brand new
My 3rd Hinderer was a bit rough, back in 2019. I decided to take it apart and clean it out and re-oil it. Screw stripped taking it apart. Bearings were pretty gross. DLT sent me out a new screw and pin since it stripped in it. Fixed it, cleaned it, sold it. I'll get a 4th Hinderer at some point, but it soured me for a little while. I do love them overall, though.
Purchased my XM-18 a few weeks ago and it would not cut paper. Worst factory grind I’ve ever seen. 15 minutes on a Wicked Edge fixed that. Everything else was perfect. I love the knife
Still a huge fan of Hinderer knives, largely thanks to you MC. I have 14 that I alternate carrying. Never had any issues with any of them and I usually carry my 3.5 running on Teflon washers. It does have to be just off center in order to still flip open right, but that doesn't bother me. Here lately though I've been carrying other knives. I haven't really been a fan of how Hinderer is handling the whole Transparent Knives thing. I still think they make great knives, but that whole situation has me looking at other brands more than I normally would.
I think for me when I had the skinny slicer xm-18 it was the best Hinderer for edc I’ve owned. I wish he did more runs. The regular slicer I have is too brick like in the pocket. It’s still a keeper if ever I need a folder to beat on which is not very common. 😉
I've always been more of a Chris Reeves type of guy in this price range. Or even Shirogorov within the next $50-$100... That said. Yeah, Hinderer's are worth it. Incredible build quality, and I can really get behind a maker that encourages you to take their knife apart. To me it says, our knives are impeccable, look for yourself ! My favorite Hinderer... 2 way tie XM-18 3.5 Skinny sheepsfoot (actually cuts great for a Hinderer. The best cutter I've seen him make) Vintage XM-18 3.5" smooth scales... Oh my freaking ghawd ! This is absolutely the best looking "production" knife made period !!!.... (Production knife lol... They come around about as often as the Olympics)
Of course waiting for DLT trading and other site drops is a good way to get a hold of a Hinderer, but are there other ways or sites to find them? (Besides eBay). Got the notification of a DLT drop, had one in my cart, and by the time I went to check out they sold the last one.... I was so bummed...
I would love to own one someday, but the price is hard to swallow. For now I'm sticking with my pm2 and shaman, if I get a good deal though I'm not gonna pass it up
I still love my wharncliff xm-18 fatty. I do wish, it would have the option to have the 3 different type of washers through. my old spanto bladed version has been used to the point the locking arm touches the opposite scale and the blade has started loosing it's shape. I am quite a bit gentler with the wharncliff, cause I don't think I'll be able to get another just like it
Nice to see another Hinderer XM-18 fan. I just wanted to point out I also didn't like the free spinning pivots on these, so coming from a 35 year jewelery repair and diamond setting career I worked out a simple mod that's worked out great. I'd post the direct link, but sometimes the post disappears so you can do a simple google search under: "Folding Knife Pivot Interface To End Free Spinning Pivots". There are LOTS of clear photos and descriptive text to follow along, and I've done this mod on 3 of my 3-1/2" XM-18 and a few 3" XM-18 knives also. Once done, there is NO need for ANY thread lock to be used, because most of the loosening force that tends to loosen the screw is caused by the pivot moving, and the shock of excessive flipping. 🙂 But one this simple small ball bearing mod is done, your thumbnail can adjust the pivot tightness when necessary, and I've found that's only needed after a few hundred or so opening cycles. A few other things I've regularly done is remove the flipper on ALL of mine, as it's surely in the way and uncomfortable on the 3" versions,... always digging into my hand in use! It makes the 3-1/2" version more pleasant to use also, and I don't miss it at all. The thumbstuds open the knife plenty quick, AND the knife is "cleaner" and less cluttered without the flipper "erection" left on! 🙂 You don't often find them new without the flipper, so making them that way is just more practical for me. And truthfully, I can spend more time on them than a factory ever could. So all edges get nicely beveled, and on the finger choils I round them over and polish the choil as comfortable as any high grad "trigger" on a firearm. Another "must" for me is once I've taken the knife apart for any of the other mods mentioned, I shorten the pivot screw length to stop flush with the base of the screw slot. So no special tool is ever sgain needed besides a screwdriver (on those examples without having the pivot mod installed and for which you've probably used a bit of thread lock). If you install my ball bearing captured pivod mod, then you can leave the pivot screw full length because your thumbnail will get it apart if ever needed to clean, since again you won't need any thread lock on the screw. Anway, if "you" (Metal Complex) would like one of your Hinderer XM-18 knives to have this mod installled, I can do it for you and I'll even pick up return Prioity Mail Insured shipping cost. I'm not looking to make this a business, as I alsready have one. But I've enjoyed your videos, and this is my version of an affordable payback for me. 🙂 Just google "Ti Rod Tactical" and you can find the contact info on my website if you'd like to have it done. You can check my feedback on ebay also, by typing "Ti Rod Tactical" there. (currently I have 1867 100% positive feedback showing, and I've been on from about when ebay started.) Oh, BTW, my current favorite is my DLT exclusive 3-1/2" "Skinny Slicer, NO Choil', and I modded that one by removing the flipper "erection" so now non-flipper. I bought it new several years ago and just took it out to use about 3 months ago. The cutting geometry is about the best that Hinderer makes, and I now use it regularly in kitchen food prep and eating apples daily. Cheers, Joe T
Hello there, I just want to say hi and thank you and because of you I bought more than 40 knives in 2 months!! I love your reviews you are very at this, and see the knife as art work! My friend thank you very keep doing what you do you’re good man. Alqassimi
I'm listening to you and your quandary about "whether it's still worth it" and I can almost definitely unequivocally say yes... If you can get your hands on one!!! But really, why I'm writing is, I don't have any problems with my XM-18 but with my most recent purchase. The recent DLT drop of the Hinderer Elkipse swedged spear point Magnacut. I'm hearing a rattle in it. Both open & closed!!! Any idea what it could be??? I'm thinking maybe the detent ball???
Thank you for yet again, another awesome review/content. I enjoyed my Hender when i owned the xm18 but sold it. And i regret it 100% I will get another one day.
You’re preaching to a captive crowd. Many of us do not have the opportunity to even have a chance to purchase one. The chance I may get one is very minimal or never.
I have the xm18 3.5 spear point and a CRK umnumzann, the umnumzann tip is so pointy and sharp at the tip, a small piece of the tip broke off, as far as a SHTF knife imo, I'll take the xm18.. the CRK is a sharper edge and easier to sharpen, but the xm18 is just a good all around good knife
Love my hinderer's I've owned 6 great knives for the money. I end up putting all mine on the pb washers and I've had the same trouble getting it adjusted is nearly impossible. they all have eventually worn and have become satisfactory but the bearings just feel better and feel more solid. I really wish they where better bearing not running straight on the ti scales to many downsides to run them over the annoying washers in my opinion. Taco bearing look to fix all the issues I'm just not sure if there worth the cost. Overall hinderers are definitely worth the money they just require some time to get adjusted and customized. p.s. on a side note watch out for light detents I have rarely seen it but I have handled and owned one hinderer with an awful detent so light it wouldn't flip it was more of a gravity knife than a flipper. most of the tri ways are dialed in but some are so bad they need to be avoided like the plague.
I love the XM18 3.5 have 3 currently, had Eklipse, half track, and 3". But only the 3.5 XMs stuck. The perfect knife FOR ME. Love choirs, the perfect size/thickness, and I'm a lanyard guy. There's also just something about them, being able to easily swap out hardware, clips, scales, and make it at least a little different from everyone else. Without voiding warranty. There also a little cheaper, and easier to obtain then the other 2 in the OG Trinity
I can admit to enjoying my Hinderer as well (have an Eklipse 3.5"). But I have to ask, in you last portion of your comment when you mentioned that the Hinderer was a lil cheaper, I think that only applies if you plan to leave your Hinderer in stock form (which almost nobody ever seems to do). Once you get your Hinderer to look like you REALLY want, it is usually more expensive than a CRK, and on par with a Strider. Just wanted to make sure I was following what you meant.
@@bheart4954 yeah you are right there but Striders sell out in seconds and then go for $700-$800 on secondary(or more) and CRK is now $500 for Plain Jane, and $600 for micarta inlays and they drop less often than Hinderer and sell out just as quick. You can get a Hinderer in your pocket for $425, then work on finding all the extras you need.
@@frankiejdwm_edc1037 , I hear yah on the frequency of availability (even though I haven't ran across to many XM-18/24 drops in a minute that don't sell out in seconds as well). I was largely focusing on the total cost, and the average Hinderer owner that I know has at least another $200 wrapped up into their Hinderers with aftermarket mods. The only reason I highlighted the CRK option is that most folks who buy one, are done after they purchase it (not a lot of modding) so in total cost they are still cheaper. Just food for thought.
This is hilarious. I've been watchn your vids all day thinking about getting a different knife. After listening and learning for hours... I look on my desk, (alum bugout, ad20.5) I'm like egh... Then i look next to my glock on the other corner of my desk and i see my xm18 spanto. I just don't really see much out there that I'd like better than my xm18... Only problem I've had with it is to oil it.
What make you think it’s not a good edc knife? I currently have an xm-18 skinny and i have to say that i love it as an edc. It’s the knife who got the more pocket time of my collection
One day I will own an XM-18 3.5. I’m just really picky lol I’m waiting for the perfect spec. Either a vintage non flipper fuller or a battle worn OD and bronze Warnie non flipper. I’m a sucker for limited runs and rare variants. Carrying my cr wear dragonfly on a walk with the dog right now. PS: my dog is the only dog I’m aware of who is in fact in the knights of the round. We raised our swords in a live. TO SIR THEODORE!!
One day I'll own one. Lord willing that is. To add to why I want one. One day I found a Hinderer pen brand new with all its info learning of its creator been enamored every since then.
I bought a 3 inch Digi camo spanto and it came to me dull as a butterknife. I couldn't understand how they could sell knives at premium prices but have such poor QC. I've since moved on to carrying an Arno Bernard Imamba instead.
Why did he design the pivot barrel so it needs a spanner wrench? He could’ve made the screw 5mm shorter. The end of it that just hangs out into space doesn’t add any strength whatsoever.
Yeah be patient everyone. Just because you and I know what the comparison knives look like or this and that, there is new people coming everyday that haven’t seen or heard from MC and if they don’t a chance to hear from him they won’t stay around and the channel won’t grow as much.
Did Hinderer's used to be easier to find available? I just learned about them this year, and have been searching for an XM-18 for about 6 months, but haven't been able to find one. I don't know if it's just especially bad this year, or if it's always been like this
No. That's not true lol. Hinderers have only been hard to get for the last 2-3 years. Before that they were readily stocked at retailers for 3-4 years. Recent high demand has caused them to sell out lately.
@@metal_complex I see. I wonder why the demand skyrocketed. I hope I can find one at some point in my lifetime, I don't know if I can pay almost double on eBay
still humming and hawing over buying an expensive knife with good aftermarket support for modding. Im leaning hinderer especially after the crk price increase pushing a micarta inlay large sebenza to nearly $900cdn. The xm-18 checks alot of boxes but the flipper tab is abit ridiculous, and there seems to be alot of fit and finish issues. maybe ill just grab a zt or another spyderco XD
@@metal_complex blade play and being off centered with the washers installed is a fit issue. It is supplied factory hardware and should be expected to fit without issue. Having to tune the pivot to get a blade centered is one thing but crankingdown on it so your flipper doesnt flip is a bit much. I have seen several people mention in your comments and on other people videos issues with the knives coming dull or atleast not sharp, thats not a huge deal on its own but its an issue with the finish. Maybe im just nit picking cause its $600+cdn and honestly if a harpoon spanto, or 3.5" warnclif popped up id prob just shut up and throw my money at it...
@@charvey635 the issue is that "sharp" and "dull" has wildly varying definitions based on who you talk to. All Hinderers will come sharp enough to slice paper, but you won't get specifics from people who yell "dull". Hinderer knives come centered from the factory. If you take it apart, you'll likely have to re adjust for centering if you switch out the pivot hardware. This isn't a QC issue. It's just what happens.
@@metal_complex i get sharp and dull is a subjective issue, possibly people just used to pm2's and bugouts and not knives with alot of material behind the blade, like i said its not a big issue. However you yourself, in this video commented on not being able to get the knife centered when swapping it to washers unless you hammer down the pivot. This make it sound and seem like the Tri-way is a gimmick, and shouldnt be a selling point. Does it work, sure but should a knife this expensive , designed to use washers wobble back and forth unless you hammer down on the pivot? prob not. If I owned one would i feel different possibly. But as an outsider looking in, looking at spending this much money on a user it is something that should be considered. I'm not really trying to be contrary, i legit respect your opnion above all other reviewers. More so expressing my concerns as to help with my decision, love your content and respect and appreciate you taking time to reply!
It can be frustrating to get it the way you want it with washers in some situations. Definitely. It just isn't a big enough problem for me to let it get in the way of recommending this knife. If it kept the knife from FUNCTIONING, it'd be an issue. It's just a mildly frustrating element of the tri way.
I like the tri-way thing in theory but I would much prefer Hinderer pick one and perfect it.. also can anyone give a valid reason why I'm looking at a flat head, a few philips, and hex hardware on one knife? 🤦♂️🤷♂️
I think I’ll stick with my 0562ti I just don’t see this knife as offering anything more than the zt not to mention the zt is using 20cv not s35 20cv is a far better blade steel even though you seem to dismiss that. I’ve been seriously contemplating a hinderer but I can’t just justify it in my mind over the zt granted I’m not as big a fan as you but if I ever do come across a hinder that really grabs my attention I will pick it up also the fact it won’t run good on phosphor bronze kind of defeats the hard use purpose of it. Not to mention the hardware store going on…
Ya I remember saying that too. Bearings will work fine in a hard use setting. They don't gunk up like people assume they do. Compressed air will fix minor action issues from debris getting inside the pivot.
Wonderful quality knives. I just can’t understand why they sell them in a box that may as well contain a Big Mac!!! Takes the joy out of a new knife purchase sadly. $30 Chinese knives come with better presentation.
@@metal_complex Are you not familiar with K390? It’s a tool steel similar in performance to 10V, non stainless but extremely tough and wear resistant. Spyderco is doing a line of lightweight models featuring it and they’re amazing. The only steels used in production that outperform it in terms of wear resistance currently are Maxamet (barely) and 15V. 15V isn’t fair though because they were sprint runs and the performance was so astonishingly superior to anything that it’s almost not even worth mentioning.
@MF_UNDERTOW no I'm familiar with it... that's just a really random request. I don't think I've ever heard of a single person who wants 65hrc k390 on an XM. You are the first
I think Hinderer knives are sought after because they are so hard to get. This is a bad analogy here, but it's kind of like the Swatch Omega moonwatches. They go for twice above retail just because you can't find one in store. The swatch ain't nothing more than a plastic watch bearing the name Omega. This doesn't pertain to knifes but...I had a Hinderer xm-18 gen 4. It wasn't sharp out of the box, and had lousy flipping action. USA made yes, but so is ZT at half the price and an all around better knife.
It's been a long time since you've owned a Hinderer. Right now they're popular because they're genuinely one of the best options at the price point VS other true US options
@@metal_complex hard to believe when Zero Tolerance can take any makers knife and make it better and cheaper. I like your channel MC, but I have to disagree on your comment. But hey, that's what keep your channel goin! We all can't agree on everything
@@nightstalker824 lol. The ZT/Hinderer thing is an old comparison. Not the same thing anymore. Ask yourself: Why is the ZT cheaper? You know the answer. Everyone does. Have a good evening friend 👍
i agree with MC on a lot of his knife opinions, but for some reason i just can't get behind this one. it doesn't appeal to me aesthetically, and having handled one it just doesn't feel quite as natural in my hands as a lot of other knives. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and i listen to MC as religiously as many knife enthusiasts do, but this one isn't for me.
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If Rick hinderer could take criticism without going out and suing anyone, I would feel a lot better about buying a hinderer
Same. Dude makes good knives but nope.
Been out of the knife game for a decade. Can you elaborate?
I just wish Rick would drop the Transparent lawsuit. I have since sold all my Hinderers. I can’t in good conscience own and support products from makers that can’t handle criticism from consumers. It’s unfortunate cause I really loved the Hinderer’s I’ve owned
@@nibrasge6375 I mean, transparent knows what he’s doing. He makes reblades and knows the exact heat treat of those reblades. He tested Hinderers heat treat and it was much lower than advertised. Then Rick got upset
Let's end this. Please take this discussion elsewhere
@@metal_complex no problem MC. This guy obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about anyway
@@opticalecho119 no we aren't.
@@metal_complex did you ever end up sharing your thoughts on the situation or did you opt to remain silent?
I honestly never get tired of the Hinderer content. It's a great knife, and it deserves the attention. I still plan on picking up an XM-24, but that's something that'll have to wait till roughly the second quarter of next year for me.
I hope to see more of these re-reviews. Great video.
I just got a xm18 3.5 blue g10 spanto blue titanium stonewashed and love it. It's my first hinderer and I don't regret it one bit. This knife begs to be used for everything. Good video as usual.
I have a non-flipper XM-18 and a FireTac. Your take on them is pretty spot on to how I feel about them. Great knives if they’re what you’re looking for, but won’t be worth it for many people.
Won’t own a Hinderer since they sued Transparent knives. Punching down at the little guy FOR TELLING THE TRUTH!!!
Screw them. I was honest to God about to buy an XM 18. I do love them even still. Instead, I booked a reblade on my AD20.5 with Transparent. I’ll probably like my textured titanium AD20.5 in Magnacut better than an XM 18 anyway (definitely the blade steel), & I’ll have a badass knife with an extra blade for a hundred bucks or so less.
For me the XM-18 has 3 fatal flaws: 1. When you flip the knife open your finger lands on that rough jimping. 2. The clip is not deep carry and 3. Rick doesn't know how to take criticism and made the whole transparent knives drama a bigger deal than it needed to be lol
I almost made a joke about how MC should be careful because Hinderer might go after him for criticizing the fastener types, but that's almost too close to reality ...
I have an old Hinderer and it is bulletproof. But I bought a new ekipse 3.5 and the quality has really got bad on these knives. My buddy has one and holding them side by side and there are noticeable size tolerance differences in both knives. It seems like their manufacturing is inconsistent with the same knife made at different times.
My ZT 0562 has Ti frame lock not steel. Currently costing $550Aus with the XM18 @ $600Aus Min. But I still had to get one of each. Australia 🇦🇺 loves your show
Hey MC, i got into the knife hobby about 3 1/2 years ago and you and Nick Shabazz were the first channels i started watching and it was you that made me really want an XM-18 and i was finally able to get my hands on one last week, it's a 3.5 20CV no choil slicer with a red G10 scale from DLT Trading and i absolutely love it, I've bought quite a few knives because i trust your opinion, i just wanted to share that with you. Thanks for everything you do MC 👍
I got ADV Pitboss because of MC, I guess. Might have been the large S35VN
I'm new to the community and just learning about Hinderer suing Transparent Knives...Rick needs to drop it. He's not losing money and he shouldn't be butthurt. Anyway...you'll be happy to know I just got my first Hinderer (Gene XM-18) and I like it a lot. I almost bought a Firetac yesterday because the action made my heart skip a beat. I will have a newer one...definitely...but probably on the secondary market.
I have been lucky enough to try a decent amount of knives and I have pretty much settled on an XM-18 as my do all/daily carry. My favorite is a pretty basic 3.5in S45VN Spanto Stonewashed, and it can cut/do anything I need it to.
MC really enjoy your content! Only issue is now I have a pocket knife buying addiction. 😅 I just got my first Hinderer (XM-18 3.5, spanto, battle blue working finish, G10 blue/black). Love it so much I ordered another combination. Keep up the awesome work!
Got to say, that was a LONG video MC 😂
Great video. (As always)
When my XM-18 Gen 6 arrived, the blade was extremely dull and it was way too tight to deploy. Fortunately, these were easy enough problems to fix. After a proper sharpening and tuneup, I really like it. I asked around, and got mixed responses. Some said they had never had any issues, and others said it was pretty normal for Hinderers to have poor QC. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and noting that people are much more likely to comment when something is wrong. I'll have a chance to find out if I can ever pick up an XM-24 from a retailer.
Mine was sharp but I had to oil the heck out of it. After oiling it was good to go.
I've had 7-8 hinderers and they have all been pretty dull out of the box but after a little sharpening it is a great knife. The striders and crks I own have also been not so sharp brand new
My 3rd Hinderer was a bit rough, back in 2019. I decided to take it apart and clean it out and re-oil it. Screw stripped taking it apart. Bearings were pretty gross. DLT sent me out a new screw and pin since it stripped in it. Fixed it, cleaned it, sold it. I'll get a 4th Hinderer at some point, but it soured me for a little while. I do love them overall, though.
Purchased my XM-18 a few weeks ago and it would not cut paper. Worst factory grind I’ve ever seen. 15 minutes on a Wicked Edge fixed that. Everything else was perfect. I love the knife
Still a huge fan of Hinderer knives, largely thanks to you MC. I have 14 that I alternate carrying. Never had any issues with any of them and I usually carry my 3.5 running on Teflon washers. It does have to be just off center in order to still flip open right, but that doesn't bother me. Here lately though I've been carrying other knives. I haven't really been a fan of how Hinderer is handling the whole Transparent Knives thing. I still think they make great knives, but that whole situation has me looking at other brands more than I normally would.
I think for me when I had the skinny slicer xm-18 it was the best Hinderer for edc I’ve owned. I wish he did more runs. The regular slicer I have is too brick like in the pocket. It’s still a keeper if ever I need a folder to beat on which is not very common. 😉
One of my favorite knives. Waiting for tri way to be back in stock
I still have my original 2 Xm18 3.5s and they are the only knives I carry along with Leatherman.
I dont know why but the hinderers never did anything for me and believe me I love the savings. 🙂
I've always been more of a Chris Reeves type of guy in this price range. Or even Shirogorov within the next $50-$100... That said. Yeah, Hinderer's are worth it. Incredible build quality, and I can really get behind a maker that encourages you to take their knife apart. To me it says, our knives are impeccable, look for yourself !
My favorite Hinderer... 2 way tie
XM-18 3.5 Skinny sheepsfoot (actually cuts great for a Hinderer. The best cutter I've seen him make)
Vintage XM-18 3.5" smooth scales... Oh my freaking ghawd ! This is absolutely the best looking "production" knife made period !!!.... (Production knife lol... They come around about as often as the Olympics)
Man I can't wait to get it!!!
Have yet to get xm18 or 18.5, but I got a eklipse and a triway maximus, but very cool
I ended up selling my hinderer collection to shift over to Shirogorovs. Honesty after collecting for most of my life I just fell in love with shiros.
Have an original Hinderer, no tri system, no insert and functions flawlessly. No lock bar wear after a million plus flips, etc. Love it ....
I still love mine built like a tank feels very premium if you add the ti scale
Of course waiting for DLT trading and other site drops is a good way to get a hold of a Hinderer, but are there other ways or sites to find them? (Besides eBay). Got the notification of a DLT drop, had one in my cart, and by the time I went to check out they sold the last one.... I was so bummed...
I would love to own one someday, but the price is hard to swallow. For now I'm sticking with my pm2 and shaman, if I get a good deal though I'm not gonna pass it up
I still love my wharncliff xm-18 fatty. I do wish, it would have the option to have the 3 different type of washers through.
my old spanto bladed version has been used to the point the locking arm touches the opposite scale and the blade has started loosing it's shape. I am quite a bit gentler with the wharncliff, cause I don't think I'll be able to get another just like it
I use the phosphor-bronze, it takes a while to break in but I think it’s worth it.
I have a 3” non flipper. There are some fit and finish issues that I would prefer not be on a $425 knife
Nice to see another Hinderer XM-18 fan. I just wanted to point out I also didn't like the free spinning pivots on these, so coming from a 35 year jewelery repair and diamond setting career I worked out a simple mod that's worked out great. I'd post the direct link, but sometimes the post disappears so you can do a simple google search under:
"Folding Knife Pivot Interface To End Free Spinning Pivots".
There are LOTS of clear photos and descriptive text to follow along, and I've done this mod on 3 of my 3-1/2" XM-18 and a few 3" XM-18 knives also.
Once done, there is NO need for ANY thread lock to be used, because most of the loosening force that tends to loosen the screw is caused by the pivot moving, and the shock of excessive flipping. 🙂 But one this simple small ball bearing mod is done, your thumbnail can adjust the pivot tightness when necessary, and I've found that's only needed after a few hundred or so opening cycles.
A few other things I've regularly done is remove the flipper on ALL of mine, as it's surely in the way and uncomfortable on the 3" versions,... always digging into my hand in use! It makes the 3-1/2" version more pleasant to use also, and I don't miss it at all. The thumbstuds open the knife plenty quick, AND the knife is "cleaner" and less cluttered without the flipper "erection" left on! 🙂
You don't often find them new without the flipper, so making them that way is just more practical for me. And truthfully, I can spend more time on them than a factory ever could. So all edges get nicely beveled, and on the finger choils I round them over and polish the choil as comfortable as any high grad "trigger" on a firearm.
Another "must" for me is once I've taken the knife apart for any of the other mods mentioned, I shorten the pivot screw length to stop flush with the base of the screw slot. So no special tool is ever sgain needed besides a screwdriver (on those examples without having the pivot mod installed and for which you've probably used a bit of thread lock). If you install my ball bearing captured pivod mod, then you can leave the pivot screw full length because your thumbnail will get it apart if ever needed to clean, since again you won't need any thread lock on the screw.
Anway, if "you" (Metal Complex) would like one of your Hinderer XM-18 knives to have this mod installled, I can do it for you and I'll even pick up return Prioity Mail Insured shipping cost. I'm not looking to make this a business, as I alsready have one. But I've enjoyed your videos, and this is my version of an affordable payback for me. 🙂
Just google "Ti Rod Tactical" and you can find the contact info on my website if you'd like to have it done. You can check my feedback on ebay also, by typing "Ti Rod Tactical" there. (currently I have 1867 100% positive feedback showing, and I've been on from about when ebay started.)
Oh, BTW, my current favorite is my DLT exclusive 3-1/2" "Skinny Slicer, NO Choil', and I modded that one by removing the flipper "erection" so now non-flipper. I bought it new several years ago and just took it out to use about 3 months ago. The cutting geometry is about the best that Hinderer makes, and I now use it regularly in kitchen food prep and eating apples daily.
Cheers,
Joe T
Hello there,
I just want to say hi and thank you and because of you I bought more than 40 knives in 2 months!!
I love your reviews you are very at this, and see the knife as art work!
My friend thank you very keep doing what you do you’re good man.
Alqassimi
It’s nice to see people from the UAE interested in knives and knife collecting, if you would like lets get in touch and talk knives. Best regards.
I'm listening to you and your quandary about "whether it's still worth it" and I can almost definitely unequivocally say yes... If you can get your hands on one!!! But really, why I'm writing is, I don't have any problems with my XM-18 but with my most recent purchase. The recent DLT drop of the Hinderer Elkipse swedged spear point Magnacut. I'm hearing a rattle in it. Both open & closed!!! Any idea what it could be??? I'm thinking maybe the detent ball???
Thank you for yet again, another awesome review/content.
I enjoyed my Hender when i owned the xm18 but sold it. And i regret it 100% I will get another one day.
You’re preaching to a captive crowd. Many of us do not have the opportunity to even have a chance to purchase one. The chance I may get one is very minimal or never.
I wish they would up date the xm model. I would like to see the lockbar relief cut on the inside and a captive pivot on the lockside.
I have the xm18 3.5 spear point and a CRK umnumzann, the umnumzann tip is so pointy and sharp at the tip, a small piece of the tip broke off, as far as a SHTF knife imo, I'll take the xm18.. the CRK is a sharper edge and easier to sharpen, but the xm18 is just a good all around good knife
I really want one of those. Like that exact blade and size
place called blade bar has them. its where i bought mine a few months ago... they had 6 brand new in the case. s45vn. good luck
Love my hinderer's I've owned 6 great knives for the money. I end up putting all mine on the pb washers and I've had the same trouble getting it adjusted is nearly impossible. they all have eventually worn and have become satisfactory but the bearings just feel better and feel more solid. I really wish they where better bearing not running straight on the ti scales to many downsides to run them over the annoying washers in my opinion. Taco bearing look to fix all the issues I'm just not sure if there worth the cost. Overall hinderers are definitely worth the money they just require some time to get adjusted and customized.
p.s. on a side note watch out for light detents I have rarely seen it but I have handled and owned one hinderer with an awful detent so light it wouldn't flip it was more of a gravity knife than a flipper. most of the tri ways are dialed in but some are so bad they need to be avoided like the plague.
I Love the harpune in the Blade 🙌🏻, sweeeeeeeeeeet 🙌🏼🏆🏅
As long as he keeps that iconic back scale I think he could change everything else about the knife and still call it an XM-18.
I love the XM18 3.5 have 3 currently, had Eklipse, half track, and 3". But only the 3.5 XMs stuck. The perfect knife FOR ME. Love choirs, the perfect size/thickness, and I'm a lanyard guy. There's also just something about them, being able to easily swap out hardware, clips, scales, and make it at least a little different from everyone else. Without voiding warranty. There also a little cheaper, and easier to obtain then the other 2 in the OG Trinity
I can admit to enjoying my Hinderer as well (have an Eklipse 3.5"). But I have to ask, in you last portion of your comment when you mentioned that the Hinderer was a lil cheaper, I think that only applies if you plan to leave your Hinderer in stock form (which almost nobody ever seems to do). Once you get your Hinderer to look like you REALLY want, it is usually more expensive than a CRK, and on par with a Strider. Just wanted to make sure I was following what you meant.
@@bheart4954 yeah you are right there but Striders sell out in seconds and then go for $700-$800 on secondary(or more) and CRK is now $500 for Plain Jane, and $600 for micarta inlays and they drop less often than Hinderer and sell out just as quick. You can get a Hinderer in your pocket for $425, then work on finding all the extras you need.
@@frankiejdwm_edc1037 , I hear yah on the frequency of availability (even though I haven't ran across to many XM-18/24 drops in a minute that don't sell out in seconds as well). I was largely focusing on the total cost, and the average Hinderer owner that I know has at least another $200 wrapped up into their Hinderers with aftermarket mods. The only reason I highlighted the CRK option is that most folks who buy one, are done after they purchase it (not a lot of modding) so in total cost they are still cheaper. Just food for thought.
This is hilarious. I've been watchn your vids all day thinking about getting a different knife. After listening and learning for hours... I look on my desk, (alum bugout, ad20.5) I'm like egh... Then i look next to my glock on the other corner of my desk and i see my xm18 spanto. I just don't really see much out there that I'd like better than my xm18... Only problem I've had with it is to oil it.
I'm really excited for the triway Maximus but i refuse to support companies who don't back their customers.
For the Algo & thx 🙌🏽🌱🙌🏿🕊🙌🏼
ZT0562 ti is full titanium, no steel liner
I’ve owned 7-8 XM-18’s over the years and sold them all. It a fantastic concept and built like a tank, but just not a good EDC knife IMO.
What make you think it’s not a good edc knife? I currently have an xm-18 skinny and i have to say that i love it as an edc. It’s the knife who got the more pocket time of my collection
Price is double what it should be
Beautiful knives. I've put hands on a few but they just don't do it for me. I'd put that money towards another pistol before I'd spend it on a knife.
One day I will own an XM-18 3.5. I’m just really picky lol I’m waiting for the perfect spec. Either a vintage non flipper fuller or a battle worn OD and bronze Warnie non flipper. I’m a sucker for limited runs and rare variants. Carrying my cr wear dragonfly on a walk with the dog right now.
PS: my dog is the only dog I’m aware of who is in fact in the knights of the round. We raised our swords in a live. TO SIR THEODORE!!
One day I'll own one. Lord willing that is.
To add to why I want one. One day I found a Hinderer pen brand new with all its info learning of its creator been enamored every since then.
Get a ZT 0562 (Hinderer design), and save $250.
I bought a 3 inch Digi camo spanto and it came to me dull as a butterknife. I couldn't understand how they could sell knives at premium prices but have such poor QC. I've since moved on to carrying an Arno Bernard Imamba instead.
I WILL own a Hinderer some day.
So, is the eklipse an equally good blade? I got one bit I'm worried I may have bought a worse knife just because it has the hinderer name
The Eklipse is actually a better overall design. Nice score 👍
Why did he design the pivot barrel so it needs a spanner wrench? He could’ve made the screw 5mm shorter. The end of it that just hangs out into space doesn’t add any strength whatsoever.
Not bad knives, but I feel like they are outclassed nowadays
Where did your Hinderer playlist go?
It's not listed anymore...
Don't know why it was unlisted. Changed it back to public 👍
@@metal_complex thank you!
That's my favorite list! Lol
the 3.5" in spear point is impossible to find
Skinny slicer no choil non flipper please
Yeah be patient everyone. Just because you and I know what the comparison knives look like or this and that, there is new people coming everyday that haven’t seen or heard from MC and if they don’t a chance to hear from him they won’t stay around and the channel won’t grow as much.
My love for hinderers was because of you. Now I have almost 30 because I’m a nut 🤦🏻♂️
lol, 30 ? wow but i'll say this that's a better investment than the stock market right now. way more stable market.
Did Hinderer's used to be easier to find available? I just learned about them this year, and have been searching for an XM-18 for about 6 months, but haven't been able to find one. I don't know if it's just especially bad this year, or if it's always been like this
No have always been hard to get. They are typically only available for a couple hours on any website.
@@SRVandDtrouble jeez, what a pain. I think I’m getting close to giving up
No. That's not true lol. Hinderers have only been hard to get for the last 2-3 years. Before that they were readily stocked at retailers for 3-4 years. Recent high demand has caused them to sell out lately.
@@metal_complex I see. I wonder why the demand skyrocketed. I hope I can find one at some point in my lifetime, I don't know if I can pay almost double on eBay
@@pete6705 well, production slowed from 2019 - 2021 for obvious reasons... I may have had something to do with the demand rising 😅
still humming and hawing over buying an expensive knife with good aftermarket support for modding. Im leaning hinderer especially after the crk price increase pushing a micarta inlay large sebenza to nearly $900cdn. The xm-18 checks alot of boxes but the flipper tab is abit ridiculous, and there seems to be alot of fit and finish issues. maybe ill just grab a zt or another spyderco XD
As someone who has owned 35+, I can say with confidence I've experienced essentially zero fit/finish issues. Not sure where you're hearing this.
@@metal_complex blade play and being off centered with the washers installed is a fit issue. It is supplied factory hardware and should be expected to fit without issue. Having to tune the pivot to get a blade centered is one thing but crankingdown on it so your flipper doesnt flip is a bit much. I have seen several people mention in your comments and on other people videos issues with the knives coming dull or atleast not sharp, thats not a huge deal on its own but its an issue with the finish. Maybe im just nit picking cause its $600+cdn and honestly if a harpoon spanto, or 3.5" warnclif popped up id prob just shut up and throw my money at it...
@@charvey635 the issue is that "sharp" and "dull" has wildly varying definitions based on who you talk to. All Hinderers will come sharp enough to slice paper, but you won't get specifics from people who yell "dull".
Hinderer knives come centered from the factory. If you take it apart, you'll likely have to re adjust for centering if you switch out the pivot hardware. This isn't a QC issue. It's just what happens.
@@metal_complex i get sharp and dull is a subjective issue, possibly people just used to pm2's and bugouts and not knives with alot of material behind the blade, like i said its not a big issue. However you yourself, in this video commented on not being able to get the knife centered when swapping it to washers unless you hammer down the pivot. This make it sound and seem like the Tri-way is a gimmick, and shouldnt be a selling point. Does it work, sure but should a knife this expensive , designed to use washers wobble back and forth unless you hammer down on the pivot? prob not. If I owned one would i feel different possibly. But as an outsider looking in, looking at spending this much money on a user it is something that should be considered. I'm not really trying to be contrary, i legit respect your opnion above all other reviewers. More so expressing my concerns as to help with my decision, love your content and respect and appreciate you taking time to reply!
It can be frustrating to get it the way you want it with washers in some situations. Definitely. It just isn't a big enough problem for me to let it get in the way of recommending this knife. If it kept the knife from FUNCTIONING, it'd be an issue. It's just a mildly frustrating element of the tri way.
I like the tri-way thing in theory but I would much prefer Hinderer pick one and perfect it.. also can anyone give a valid reason why I'm looking at a flat head, a few philips, and hex hardware on one knife? 🤦♂️🤷♂️
I think I’ll stick with my 0562ti I just don’t see this knife as offering anything more than the zt not to mention the zt is using 20cv not s35 20cv is a far better blade steel even though you seem to dismiss that. I’ve been seriously contemplating a hinderer but I can’t just justify it in my mind over the zt granted I’m not as big a fan as you but if I ever do come across a hinder that really grabs my attention I will pick it up also the fact it won’t run good on phosphor bronze kind of defeats the hard use purpose of it. Not to mention the hardware store going on…
Ya I remember saying that too.
Bearings will work fine in a hard use setting. They don't gunk up like people assume they do. Compressed air will fix minor action issues from debris getting inside the pivot.
My XM 18 3.5 skinny is in 20 CV I've probably had it for about a year bought it brand new 👍
Wonderful quality knives. I just can’t understand why they sell them in a box that may as well contain a Big Mac!!! Takes the joy out of a new knife purchase sadly. $30 Chinese knives come with better presentation.
RE REVIEW THE SHAMAN! Ok that’s it thanks
Rick should man up and start running K390 at 65 Rockwell.
K390?
@@metal_complex Are you not familiar with K390? It’s a tool steel similar in performance to 10V, non stainless but extremely tough and wear resistant. Spyderco is doing a line of lightweight models featuring it and they’re amazing. The only steels used in production that outperform it in terms of wear resistance currently are Maxamet (barely) and 15V. 15V isn’t fair though because they were sprint runs and the performance was so astonishingly superior to anything that it’s almost not even worth mentioning.
@MF_UNDERTOW no I'm familiar with it... that's just a really random request. I don't think I've ever heard of a single person who wants 65hrc k390 on an XM. You are the first
I had an XM-18 3.5, honestly I never cared for it. Sold it on.
Tried a couple, just can't get into them.. especially with all the quality with half the price coming out of China
For many, this is the exact reason they're willing to pay more for the Hinderer
You've still never reviewed a Medford marauder H
I think Hinderer knives are sought after because they are so hard to get. This is a bad analogy here, but it's kind of like the Swatch Omega moonwatches. They go for twice above retail just because you can't find one in store. The swatch ain't nothing more than a plastic watch bearing the name Omega. This doesn't pertain to knifes but...I had a Hinderer xm-18 gen 4. It wasn't sharp out of the box, and had lousy flipping action. USA made yes, but so is ZT at half the price and an all around better knife.
It's been a long time since you've owned a Hinderer. Right now they're popular because they're genuinely one of the best options at the price point VS other true US options
@@metal_complex hard to believe when Zero Tolerance can take any makers knife and make it better and cheaper. I like your channel MC, but I have to disagree on your comment. But hey, that's what keep your channel goin! We all can't agree on everything
@@nightstalker824 lol.
The ZT/Hinderer thing is an old comparison. Not the same thing anymore.
Ask yourself: Why is the ZT cheaper? You know the answer. Everyone does. Have a good evening friend 👍
I have a skinny poon tip, can’t thumb flick it to save my life. Definitely not riding the lock bar. The detent is so heavy.
Just wish it did not have 4 different screw types!
You can't just put washers in a knife and expect bearing "smoothness" out of the gate. Give it a few weeks.
It wasn’t then, and definitely not now.
Oh no I'm not actually asking anyone.
I love these knifes but like every knife they make is Awesome but always OOS out of stock always !
Any construction guys watching? Does this knife looks brand new to you?
Oh my god. Sit down 🤦♂️
i agree with MC on a lot of his knife opinions, but for some reason i just can't get behind this one. it doesn't appeal to me aesthetically, and having handled one it just doesn't feel quite as natural in my hands as a lot of other knives. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and i listen to MC as religiously as many knife enthusiasts do, but this one isn't for me.
can't afford one, especially with currency exchange and shipping
👏👏👏
2024 and I just bought one
How tf this dude have this much money
From making youtube content for 6 years.
Still worth it in 2022? I’d say yes, good EDC knife? Hell no
That is knife abuse my friend clean it what if it was your child would you let it walk around dirty as can be no you'd give him a bath
Stay in school Frank. Or go back.
Mushy
Better watch out. You might receive a cease and desist letter for your criticisms.
Extremely overpriced and overrated