WE DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING! WE NEED TO DOSE ASAP | CALVES 2023
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2023
- In todays video, we didnt see this coming for our calf rearing season for Calves 2023. We dosed with a long acting dose that unfortunately didn't actually last that long! We have worked with our great vet the whole way along, dung sampling along the way but we got hit by a big case of lungworms throughout the calves, causing pneuomia. So it's time to get all 230 calves in and dosed asap. Big thanks to Herdwatch sponsoring our cattle videos, their app really is invaluable on the farm.
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Holy Jayez 😫 😩
I gave a like to the video not because it was a feelgood video but because it demonstrates the challenges of calf rearing and is very informative.
Any fear you took your eye of the ball with all the tractors and trailers and grain dryer .hope you have better luck now after all yere hatd work.
Sorry you lost the calves. I hope this dosing has done the trick, and all the stock does well from now on.
Same happened myself with the calves I'm rearing.. resistant to some doses and others don't kill all the worms took alot of scratching the head before we got to the bottom of it great video as always best of luck
Hi phil, had occasions when I’ve seen lung worms in dairy cows here. Usually more of a risk when a wet spell of weather follows a dry spell particularly early summer as we’ve had this year. Easy to diagnose in dairy cows as they travel to and from the parlour and they’re exercised. You that lung cough. Treated early it’s no bother but can be devastating if not and permanent lung damage done.
Best of luck and hopefully they all pick back up again.
Great video, soo hard to share when things are going wrong.
Very insightful 👍
The reason autumn born calves do so much better is because the cows that have them are on grass for the 7 months or so leading up to their born. Spring born calves the cows that have them are on silage in sheds for the 5 months before they are born
Oh man Phil that's not good shame about your calves after doing so well with them hope things improve soon
Fair play to yous for doing a video explaining your situation, it’s been a tuff year with the weather and have had a similar issue myself with calves
Did you notice much coughing? It's hard keeping on top of everything, got caught out bad with a pneumonia virus one year thinking it was worms even though they were regularly dosed, only for sending samples away would never have known there were a few casualties and expensive vet bills but vaccinating for pneumonia ever since. Another great video Phil keep it up 👍
As Liv said there are so many variables and things don't always work as they should. That said though when a manufacturer goes straight to how can we blame the customer it speaks volumes as to what you can expect from them going forward. Hope you get a good response from the dose and they recover before coming inside.
Very very interesting so sorry though about the calves having worms.Farmer Phil and liv your wonderful farmers you have to deal with such a lot .So so good 😊.Good luck 🍀
Hi Phil and Liv. I have used c.t.c powder sprinkled lighty on their feed for 4 days after such a stressful time for calves. Worked very well to compact intense coughly when the lovely calves are shedding the worm burden. You are lucky to have a great vet who really cares about animals. It must be very hard for farmers out there trying to handle events like these on their own. Thank you both for your honesty. I'm sure it will help many out there. All the best.
Nice one Phil and Liv
If it was easy, everyone would be at it
Sorry to hear this Liv and Phil, great job, but fair play to Ye're honesty👍🙏
Fair play to you both sharing the downs as well as the ups 👍
Phil go back to the dose u
Used last year ( blue pour on )
I switched to it when i saw it in your
Video & have never had a sick calf since .... ...
Great Video keep up
The good work .👌
Our wonderful farmers in the world 🌎.Going to watch with a cup of tea.Great video good luck 🤞
Plenty of grass ahead of the cattle this year but for whatever reason, probably the weather i found it hard to keep on top of the worms and fluke in my 1 year old bullocks... weights are back on last year
Yeah, I used that same product and I was super sceptical about it and kept an eye on the animal and did not get caught as bad as you, but 7 weeks sounds right. But yeah, when something is too good to be true, it usually is. Tried and tested!!
Safer to do every 6 /7 weeks in bad weather no matter what the product
The Best of luck with them calf farmer Phil
Hi Phil, good educational video. As far as your redshank is concerned, see the following from out fav encylopedia
Ecology
In the British Isles, this plant is a weed, without natural habitat, and always associated with human activity.[21] It likes moist soils, particularly rich ones, and acid peaty loams.[22] It does not like lime, and liming is cited as a means to fight it.[23][24]. Take care
Can I ask Phil was he not concerned that the average weight was approx 100kgs? Taking the date of birth as being April 1st and Sept 1st being the video post date. 35kg birth weight so they gained 65kg in 150 days. That circa 0.4kg/day? That certainly would lead to an immune compromised status.
Allowing young calves to graze after older stock is absolutely crazy tactics. Lungworm on a post mortem is always always relevant, particular in very young stock. You can do a specific test on faecal samples, it's called Baerman.
Dosing and moving them to new pastures is also terrible advice given. The reason for this is that the resistance worms (lets say 100 worms out of 1000 as an example) that the dose doesn't kill will be the only worms passed onto the ground in that new grass field. Therefore, they will become the dominant worms as they have no competition in this newgrass and you will have a bigger problem down the line.
Sorry hear about calf s hope.get.sorted don't loose any more after all heard work get them this far
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Helpful stuff.
Brilliant video!
Thank you for the video. I learned a good bit of information.
That was a long day. I am sure you will get this sorted out and things will get better that's farming always something going wrong but it works out in the end.
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Nice one Phil and Liv
Thanks for sharing this video hopefully you got on top of it now 🤞👌
Great video Phil jaysus that’s tough on yous I’d be staying clear of who ever supplied you with that stuff hopefully the new dose cures them and you don’t lose anymore
Love this video I have a similar problem very informative thanks liv an Phil love the video s on the cattle at least your on top of it I find when ye know what the problem is it take s the pressure of 👍
Good video
Great video. Hard luck with the fatalities… hopefully things turn around for you. Keep up the good work.
Fingers crossed 🤞 the drench works. You both do an amazing job. Great the you share the good and the bad 😀
Nice Video of Dosinf Cattle Philip
Phil what ever happened to the heifer that had a calf last year and her calf how did it do for you.
Cracking video. That’s farming for ya. Not an easy job
Literally just finished watching the “super serious farmer” and his sheep have a similar issue. I’m sorry for both of ye, ye do everything for the beasties. 2 steps forward, 4 back load of me blx ! 😔 hoping the dose will help them ❤
Great video although sorry to hear about problems with the calves. 👍🏼
Nice looking calves, hope the dose saves the rest of them, and not giving more hassle for you. If farming was so simple, everyone would do it, but it takes a farmer to stand in the heat when things go wrong on you, even though it's very heartbreaking from time to time. :)
I know its a bit off topic but alongside cattle I also farm sheep.... I regularly dose them and their lambs through summer and 1 batch in particular were doing awful.. stunted growth in both ewes and lambs and and the lambs were just so scoured ... I couldn't understand it ... a neighbour was on the fone and out of nowhere he said what a job they were having with sheep.... and basically they were dosing with same as me and were told there was a huge worm burden this year and too change dose due too resistance in the worms and he said after dosing with 1 of the ivermectic type drenches there sheep turned a sixpence....so I followed suit and the same happened too me....much improved....but like you I lost some and had never had it before....always somthing
just looking at where u show treatment history on herd watch 22-6 1ml of the dosing product is not enough by a long shot.i think this could be your problem its better to always give more product than less
hi Phil exact same problem here dosed calves here in June within few weeks calves started to get scoured within two weeks had 10 calves dead .. vet recommend that dose was an injection suppose to be immune to all types of worms .. remainder of that bunch of calves only looking okay set them back alot .. had to bring home some and put them back on milk .. what a disaster
If the manufacturer claimed 12 weeks on their information sheet they should have to stand over it. It was up to them to carry out the research and take all variables into consideration. Why not try lungworm vaccine next year.
Overall really enjoy the videos and have watched for a long time but one little gripe is that Phil repeats himself so many times it can get very repetitive. Truly say this with the best intentions and thank you for all that you do.
I would say the bullocks in their field could be a big factor. Had calves moved into a field here that cows were in before them and within a day there was problems, although it was one of the poorer calves at the time again bever noticed much, but now the others have had problems too
Bloody hell! How many calves do you have?❤
Its the year thats in it.different problem every year.
Can I ask that paddock you grazed with the bulls why didn't you take it out for bales and put the calves on silage aftermath
Had same issue here few years back when using same injection. Got great coverage for about 8 weeks then worm issue. Just to say don't use pour on with calves now either as it caused lung issues with mine last year (it does such a kill calves can't cough up the worms and damages the lung so more at risk of pneumonia 🙈 found that out 2 ) went back to the old school way this year cheap dose every twice (3/4weeks apart) and am giving a different (more powerful ) one here at the moment. Very hard keep on top of worms this year with all the wet weather.
100% concur.
Great video, alot of dose seriously resistant now. Levafas Diamond not working on our lambs this year so back to a mixture of Invermectin injection of albendazole dose. I find Ivomec a hard dose on the animal especially if heavy burden, but really drys up lambs pity about the 30 day withdrawl
What are the dams of the Belgian blue calves? The sire is only half the story and sometimes fellas use blues to mask poor breeding on the dam side
Not good farmer Phil things were going so well
That first bunch are a long way off target Phil, a good 80 kgs. They all need to be 180-200 kgs atm
That’s going to have a serious impact on there kill out weights come slaughter. You need to put a lot more effort into grass management for the calves.
Probably sounds harsh but I think the game is either won or lost on calf rearing on there first season at grass Your cattle could be going to the factory earlier and killing heavier with more effort put into grass in the first year
A couple hundred € on reels and fence posts could return you thousands in 2 years time
Just my opinion
Hopefully they come right for you 🤞
I use a shot of bluestone half a tea spoon in milk ..milk will break down the bluestone each calf must get same individually mixe do not bulk mix bluestone. Brown hair will come off and the bodywill shine....if a stray animal comes to my farm he will get bluestone ...
Used that dose last year usless same problem as you
As it’s a medical product, the vet should notify the HRPA to report a potential sub potent product. Issues happen in manufacturing.
No danger of that happening, the drug manufacturers keep the vets pockets well lined to make sure they keep horsing out this muck to farmers.
@@theoracle8560 You can always develop your own products
Small amounts often paper never refused ink
All suppliers find a way out of actually standing over their product. I lost 2 calves so far and think maybe another 1 eill go.
Do you ever put mineral buckets with them Phil?
Well
Could it have anything to do with the flooded fields ?
That drug supplier need to be standing over their product. If they’ve claimed it last 12 weeks and you’ve calves dying with lungworm inside that 12 weeks it’s on them. Don’t be afraid to stand up for yourself. If their data sheet claims a 12 week cover period and you’ve a post-mortem from an Regional vet lab showing otherwise get back on to them and lay it all out plain as day.
You'd be fierce naïve to think that any drug is perfect. That's farming for you. You're better protected than not, but you can't stop everything all the time
@@TerriblyNice_Notalso who is to say that the animal was dosed properly.. with that amount of calves there is a chance of slight under dosing...
100 percent stand yer ground with them don't let them cover their holes talking shit ye paid enough for the dose. Lads got a Fortune out of redbull because redbull says it give u wings they said 12 weeks time cover and ye have calf's dropping stand yer ground and fight yer case with them
@@stonemad4197 Are you serious. Farmers never under dose. They always give a little more
Its good that you have put a video up like this.
In farming, it isn't all a bed of roses. When the bad happens, learn from it and move on.
Good man phil we have been in the exact same situation had calves dying and found out or previous drench did nothing but drenched them 2 weeks ago and the difference is night and day, and also BB are a bloody nuisance we had 4 2 years ago that our jerseys were out perfoming until they were yearlings then they really started to thrive, keep going
Wow😢😢
I would go with oral drench like albex every 6 weeks i.e beginning June, mid July, beginning august and then an ivermectin pour on at housing
Vet told me to inject mine with quadrosol, which would paralyze the worms and then worm dose them 10 days later.
Phil, why don't you show collecting the eggs, and cleaning out the chickens. Do you grow your own potatoes, or vegetables you can show the process of in your videos.
Head up Phil. Onwards and upwards
I learned to avoid B blues like the plague
Blues are just not hardy. You need to cross them with another hardy breed like limousins to have some chance.
They are bred to close.
Where they not coughing with lung worm that bad
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Do some of your fields need a plough dropped in them... Old land tends to harbor unwanted stuff
You should get a tepari dosing gun
Constant damp/moist and changing weather with up and down temperatures will not help. But I found it annoyed me a bit that the manufacturer didn't take any iota of blame if they market a product that should shield for 12 weeks
They will always say its because you did something if its 12 weeks its 12 weeks not if you have new paddocks for them to go in to make work
Good information in video
Not to insult you but some of those calves looked like they lacked access to milk when young , maybe two or three weeks longer on milk would help support their immune system
I farm with my Dad in County Kerry (Dairy & Sucklers)
Deb the crazy fox lady just lost her favorite to lungworm. Did not respond to treatment. Must have been a resistant strain. R.I.P. Biscuit the Fox.
Will ye fatten the continentals as bulls or steers
Phil name the product they will use every excuse I rear allot of calves and I would like to know the product or else the people that sell the product come out and tell us watch for pneumonia in the next 10 days
Is this the place for a herbal Lea it’s meant to help control lungworm
do you know of any
Hello Farmer Phil, this was very interesting to me. We've got 25 Angus calves at the moment that will go to the market very soon. We've never vaccinated and never have had any trouble with disease. In fact, we've haven't had the vet out here for quite a few years. On the other hand, you seem to have had a lot of trouble with sick calves. Is that typical for your area? Is it a climate thing? You appear to be in the UK somewhere, while I'm in central Virginia USA, so I assume you get a lot more rain and cooler temperatures. Just curious as to your thoughts on this.
John
There seems to be alot of perfect farmers in the comment section.....would love to see their calves and farm! Far from perfect id say.
Buying them dairy x calves will break yeah
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I used same product and it was pure useless. Typical answer was it never happened before. I went back to my old routine
Liv looks very upset .😢
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Are you able to record the batch/lot number and part number of the medication that was administered to the calfs in the herd watch app?
If you used a few different bottles of medication you could trend the data by batch/lot number. It could potentially help isolate any potential issues with calfs treated with a specific batch/lot if there was a manufacturing defect. It could also help your case should you want to take action with the vendor/manufacturer.
Philip iv watched majority of your vids yous always mixed the calfs yous bought, this year yous stick to 3 heards but have poultry and swines and changed your doses??? Just my opinion i could be right i could be wrong!! It could all come down to dung spread or vacation cows had before calving...
Sue that company for they made claims of their product that weren't true and it cost you quite a few calves lives .
You should name and shame the product and supplier it’s is hard enough to get things right with calves with out getting ripped off in the price of a product that doesn’t work not alone ye but a lot of other people as well!! Shame on them to shy away from the problem!!
spending too time on the big Tractors