Dive delivery dumb bombing | DCS World F-4 Phantom
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- In this Combat Ready episode, we examine the quick and easy techniques to drop unguided bombs onto targets with the F-4 Phantom from @HeatblurSimulations
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One thing that helps me with rockets runs and probably iron bombing too is setting your altitude warning to to when you plan on releasing so you don’t need to watch your altimeter.
You're a genius! You've solved my biggest issue just like that.
A gentleman, as well as a scholar!
Jester, the WSO, should be calling out altitudes. “Six thousand…five thousand…four thousand…drop.” Something like that.
Real world training typically dropped 1 bomb at a time to get more passes at target. Also they used 50 lbs simulated mk-82. These were much more susceptible to left right misses due to wings not level or tweaked guide fins. The bombing computer and INS nav systems were what I maintained on the F4E. I worked the last two active F4E fighter bombers in the USAF. Our aircraft were slowly transferred out, some to become Weasels. Expected hit Circular Error of Probability (CEP) for the F4E with Mk82s was 50 feet. I've seen scoring film with the bomb going through the windshield of the target vehicle. Crew on that one was ecstatic about it.
I worked on that system, Lead Computing Optical Sight System (LCOSS, pronounced "locus"). Pilots were often writing it up for "drops bombs long", "drops bombs short", etc....now after getting some experience in DCS I can understand how it was challenging for them to "git gud" with it. Lack of adequate flying time has real consequences.
Good stuff. Thanks!
It isn't actually important where Jester starts tracking the ground clutter for Dive Toss. What matters is that he initiates the track before you line up on the target with your reticle and hold the pickle button, as this is what takes the radar range and sends it to the WRCS.
Realizing this makes things a lot easier. Just start your dive, have Jester start tracking the ground clutter with the radar, then line up the reticle with the target, hold pickle, and pull up keeping the wings levelled according to the indicators on the gunsight.
Hmm good point. I was kinda considering that over the past couple days but I haven’t had a chance to test the theory.
So are you saying that it’s like the A-4? Basically, it’s where the reticle is pointed when you first press the pickle button and NOT where it was when Jester says he’s locked up?
@@mikeck4609 Yup more or less. It's a very similar system.
Huh okay I'll have to try that I've been having issues with that.
I’ve had great results making sure they are one and the same. The spot the crosshairs are on when I tell him to lock is the same area it is when I hit pickle. Any other way it sends them flying. Still a work in progress though and a helluva lot more accurate than dive bombing with dive tables (for me at any rate). I can’t ever keep my speed and dive angle where they need to be
I'm with you- designed for a big drop and out of there. Would be curious to see that kind of run-full racks on continuous. But now I'm smarter about the bomb drop procedures!
Wow, just woke up and wanted to start learning weapons and it seems I got up at the right time lol. Thanks Casmo!
Great video as usual. I'm having so much fun with the Phantom.
Thanks buddy! This helped 🤘Explained better than the ingame tutorial
The F-4E has many bomb dropping modes, but the one that will dominate is the DT mode. Thanks for the video! Waiting for Kiowa's videos.
was on the fence about the F-4E but after watching your videos make me want to add this to my collection.
Thanks Casmo - same boat here. Learning and trying to get close.
Have already learned it but enjoyed waitching it anyways. Thanks for the video!
Great tutorial to support the stuff I'm doing today alternating with "ice on the lower back" sessions. Severe mush brain from that crap, but you covered the subject well enough that I boiled it down to a quick cheat sheet for practice. Hell yeah.
Casmo, you are an excellent instructor!
Nice Vid! Thanks for your help, nice work that helps me out.
Thank you for these tutorial videos Sir! Keep them coming - you might make a F4E pilot of me yet!!! These are super helpfull!
I’m not sure if anyone else will find this useful, but I’ve been doing the math to set my radar altimeter to the MSL I should be pickling at. Gives a cue and a red light, but all my bombing thus far has been pretty close to shore so I don’t know how effective it truly is.
I wonder how accurate the radar altimeter is in a 45-deg dive. Does it measure a slant range?
I think Jester should be calling out the altitudes in the dive. Maybe speed and dive angle comments when appropriate, too. So, if release altitude is 5,600’ MSL, Jester should call out “nine six…eight six…seven six…six six…ready, pickle” as you dive…in Direct Mode, anyway. The “P” in pickle should probably be right on 5,600’.
Thank you, Casmo 🥳
Thank you, Cas!!
So in dive toss, you only need to lock the ground near the target to get target altitude. When you hit the pickle button the computer then takes the position of the retical for actual bomb release computation
Im gonna be watching all of these tutorials... Please continue them they're great ❤💛💙 greetings from Germany
Good on you for setting some realistic expectations for us mear mortals.
Direct seems similar to DOPE (data on previos engagement), like what long range rifle shooters do.
Huge help! Thank you! Have you done a basic fly over a target, low altitude and dropping as you pass through type of video? :)
Based on one account. Two F4s each with 12 mk82 did continuous drops. They dropped a pair each run. So 6 runs each. So they kept it up for quite some time.
I would pay a bit more attension to the ADI. You've seen on the solution calc how sensitive it is to sight mils vs. dive in angle. If you find youself in the dive to shallow, steepen up past the tgt for a few moments, then re-aim on tgt and recheck dive angle. If too steep, go shallow of the tgt for a few moment, re-aim on tgt again and recheck angle. The closer you can fly to the calcs numbers, the better your accuracy (assuming no wind!). Ideally you'll be on tgt, on angle well in adv of release. Then you time the pickle to roughly the alt and you should nail it everytime.
Lesson of the day
The Phantom will just shoot whatever you tell it to, it doesn't care.
Ok, now I can participate to this :)
The F-4 has been a blast so far. I just tossed a plane down in Iran for a first flight and went off to try and intercept some MiG-21's (which went as poorly as expected with no idea how to actually do anything) and then I just came back and started flying around the airport with 40% fuel. The thing just has so much power, and it's awesome to throw around the sky.
Today I'm going to start finally working through the tutorials, since I really like how Heatblur sets them up, especially with the F-4 where they've got Chief to interact with and your WSO in the back walking you through things.
I love you Casmo
Nice shot - close enough for blast overpressure to do the rest! But here is a question - do we know if the other bombing modes work yet? But even if they dont, what is their purpose?
A lot of them are for very one off scenarios or even nuclear. From the phantom guys talk- almost everything was done DT
Thanks for this video! I'm a little confused with DT bombing. Does the bomb tables even need to be setup for that mode? Or does the radar do all the work.
DT doesn’t need the table. That’s for your direct or back up
if u want to could you do a short or a vid on how sparrows work in the f4?
Thank you Casmo for this detailed tutorial. I was swearing like a sailor last night trying to figure this bird out. You mention a manual for it, but I have looked on DCS and Heatblur's websites and for the life of me can't find it. Where did you get it?
Google Heatblur F4 phantom manual. Or hit M in the cockpit.
@@CasmoTV GTG, thank you!
Cas I have noticed Your Sight has a depression set when you DT. It needs to be in A/G 000 otherwise it doesnt cage to RBL, thus making it more floaty than usual
Hmmm no I don’t believe that’s true. The mils only take effect when you have set to direct.
@@CasmoTV You might be right. I just relayed what Spudknocker said in his vid. And yes, his Pip looks lot less floaty. This way the pipper is slaved to Radar Boresight Line. but hey, You're the boss here. :)
Hope for lofting video, currently manual seems foggy on actual procedure how to use it :\
It’s really not that useful and wasn’t used much at all by real phantom pilots from what I gather. I plan to avoid it.
24 mk82s… that’s a new record in dcs right? Tomcat is 18 IIRC
And you bring up the bombing table how ?
Where do you see your dive angle?
Attitude indicator.
Are you using simplified flight mode? I don't, and my plane is under constant adjustment using trim. Yours seems to not bounce around at all.
No but I’ve been flying aircraft for 20 years 🤷🏻♂️
@@CasmoTV cool. I've not flown jets, but props for a while...I know, big difference. Lol. I can trim out in game, but there's still drift. Maybe adjust my curves. Nevertheless...your vids are a big help. I love the F4 so far. It's butter smooth.
@@thesquire5318 yeah might be curves.
@@CasmoTV winwing orion2 f16ex. I'll play with it. Ever in Houston, I'll buy dinner. Lol.
Not sure where my F4e is since it's the 23rd and no download. I already have my Merch from the preorder. Am I missing something? I would love to fly it but it is nowhere to be seen. Nevermind, I didn't see my email lol.
Need to find out where you bought it. From ED- check download section. From HB- check email for your key.
Where is the bomb table located?
Check your key binds for it.
@@CasmoTV awesome thank you
How do you bring up the bombing table?
Check your keybinding section in DCS.
@@CasmoTV Gotcha. Must have missed it when I was looking at the keybinds. Havent had much time to dig in yet. Anyway, I'm sure I will spend the next 6 months with this keybind simulator .🤪
I honesty don’t remember as I mapped it to something specific. If I had to guess it’s B but I don’t wanna steer you wrong.
"That's for carpet-bombing cities..." lmao
why not use radar altimeter, just one less thing to worry about and its there.
Just got off the bomb table. It says MSL 🤷🏻♂️
Rad alt is not an accurate method to establish HAT (height above target). It indicates altitude straight underneath the aircraft so it could be fine in flat terrain but not on undulating or sloping terrain. I'm not sure about the F4 rad alt but in some aircraft the bank and/or pitch angle can also affect the rad alt read out.
Have you seen this vintage video?
“U.S. Air Force F-4 Phantom Conventional Weapons Delivery (Bombs)”
It’s how to do Direct Mode. According to it, you might be doing it wrong. You’re supposed to fly the zero sight line towards an aim-off point beyond the target. When the pipper crosses the target you release the bombs. The WSO is supposed to call out altitudes in the dive. Can Jester do this?
“Eight six…seven six…six six…ready, pickle.” (8,600…7,600…6,600…5,600{pickle}).
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Is the Phantom supposed to get HARMS ? Thought the Wild Weasels did SEAD ? ....
Shrike
@@CasmoTV AHh! yes! thanks
@@CasmoTVAre the F4 shrikes like the A4 ones where it’s based on rng whether it hits or not?
@@donk5058 can’t say. Never did no A4 stuff.
It is modified version "F-4G WW". No 20mm on it. It's something different.
pls make A2A tutorial
I’ve tried. It’s too confusing to explain for me.
Thanks for the tutorial, but i think this bombing method is only useful at the range or against unarmed targets. In a real combat situation in such an approach the enemy hast every time in the world to shoot you down before you even get close to the release point. Can somebody explain to me why you should use this method instead of dive toss?
Right now you’re asking how a watch works, what you need to be doing is checking the time. You have to learn the basics and figure out how things work. Only then, can you adjust to the situation. There is no cookie cutter answer to what you’re asking.
@@CasmoTV Thanks for youre answer, i was just looking and asking in the community for some usecases for those deliverymode in comparision to the dive toss.
Graphics look awesome but I will never play any DCS game because it is too complicated.
It’s not that bad. Just takes a little practice.
This is almost identical to Growling Sidewinder.
Is the implication here that the video I made a week ago and published today is a copy of my good friend growling sidewinder?
@@CasmoTV It's just very similar to his. The logo art in the beginning is similar, the editing is similar, you even have a similar voice to his and you're doing the same new F4 stuff. I'm not saying you copied his video but your format is nearly identical to his. And cmon man you already knew that. That's why you're taking such offense. Its totally fine I'm not condemning you or saying your vids bad or wrong it's just extremely similar to his that's all. I mean if you want to press it, aside from the actual name and the tables thing I guess they are identical. I thought you were GS just with another channel for some reason.✌
@nathanworthington4451 no. Please don’t do that. Don’t make a statement of fact. “You already knew that”. Don’t sweep in here with your wisdom and bounce like it’s “all good”. This channel has existed for years. It has evolved over time into what it is and will continue to evolve. But your accusations are baseless and Incredibly rude. You can infer, if you like, that my responding to them somehow implies culpability and guilt- instead know that my response is because I don’t like when people act like this and I feel you need to be told that.
Oh and for clarify- my logo was designed and used in my US Army unit in 2009 when deployed to Afghanistan. Just to clear that up for ya.
@@CasmoTV Ok. Calm down. Geez
No lol you don’t get to do that either. You don’t get to say “calm down” thereby implying that I’m not calm. We aren’t doing this, friend. We aren’t playing the game of “I’m just gonna slip an insult in and make it seem like I’M the rational one.” The best thing you can do is just walk away.