Our fuel hauling company in Western Colorado uses Michelin XDS 2. The senior drivers love them in the mountains. The XDN2 are great when new. At 10/32 they suck on ice.
Understanding tire wear patterns is crucial. Once you know that you watch your tires and find out your ideal psi for your application. I used to get stupid wear happening listening to the manufacturers tell me for this much weight run this many pounds. Ive got tires Michelin claims I should run 95 to 105 pounds in now im running 120 psi and all the dumb wear is gone. For high scrub applications I tend to run max pressure.
I am the tire guy at LUCKEN’S trucks in winger mn and we buy 15 trucks a week from auctions and sell parts but thee most common steer recently I see and have more of is the Firestone fs591
Where I work we run Bridgestone M726 ELA drives and we usually get around 400k on a set and we’ve tried different steers multiple Bridgestone and Firestone, I’ve personally have had the best luck with the Firestone FS591.
Some Canadian Provinces require snow rated tires during winter months. So that tire with Canada on it may be a snow rated tire. The snow tires I run are all directional and we still run snow tires on vehicles that we run on the unplowed roads. Having a TPMS is helpful to keep the right pressure for the weight you are hauling. Have a safe trip there and back.
Alot of guys love the XDN2 here in northern Indiana as well. Ive been really happy with the Hankook DL12 which is similar to the xdn2 and run out of siping at about the same point but about $200 less. I thought I was doing awesome getting 140k miles on them, 200k seems ridiculously good.
You can rotate those HDW2 (Canada) continentals any direction once they get past 50%. I run them and yes they are a very impressive tire. I NEVER had a drive tire last as long as these and I haul heavy. Good alignment and taking off slow you’ll easily get 250,000+ miles out of them… (I used to only get 80,000 out of drive tires) and my truck is a heavy lead sled .
We use continental 255-70-22.5 low pro on our low riders like my new truck, we also use Michelin but continental is much cheaper. Thanks for sharing Justin 👍 happy trails and safe travels to the Bahamas 😎
Hankook DL12 is what guys run down my way in NY winters ( Catskills- Oneonta area ). Michelin is great, but only logical to put on the steer axles now due to price. Not sure now, but very close to $1k each installed but they have a crazy warranty on some of the steers and they do wear great. Drives are a similar cost, so that is going to hurt any owner operator or fleet.. On the other end. Oliver Blizzard track recaps are pretty common and loved with the fuel trucks. Cheap and great grip. But those would never last for long haul..
Those new conti look very similar to the "xdn2 grip". The grips are great. Ran them year round in the desert highway and dirt/gravel roads. They are pricey tho.
Just found your videos. I installed 5 sets of Continental tires on 4 Freightliners and 1 Volvo. The Freightshakers have 100k. Tires wearing ok with the exception of cupping on the inside and outside rows. Rotating hasn’t helped. The Volvo, 232k wearing ok, cupping is a minor issue. Cost was $188 cheaper per drive vs the Bridgestones (M726) I was using the 268 steer. We will see running here in the Pacific Northwest and east to Billings MT.
It’s the drive tires cupping. I did watch a very interesting video explaining why the tires cup. It has to do with the thinner metal the axles are manufactured with. Steer tires run true, that’s why I stick to Bridgestone. Ran Michelins for 30 years when I was leased to Gordon Trucking Inc out of Sumner, WA. They were a great deal buying thru the company. Heartland Express bought out GTI in 2017 and let us Owner Operators go.
I stumbled across you're channel today with this particular video ( watched a few others to grasp a bit of what you haul ) and what really surprised me is that your trucks are equipped with 24.5 tires as don't a lot of the typical transport companies in the USA run 22.5 ?. I know here in Canada that seems to be the theme for the major trucking companies that run coast to coast on trucks and trailers, however I am in northern Alberta ( I grain farm by the way ) and a large majority of trucks run 24.5 in the oil patch and forestry, certainly off road on private ( company ) gravel logging roads they are WAY overloaded relative to what is allowed on the highways so they need a good capacity tire. The main highway tractors I have ( well experienced trucks before I got them unfortunately ! ) have 24.5 because they were all locally owned trucks from new. But as to tires the last set of drives I bought were Bridgestone M775 as that tire or Chinese copy cats are very popular here for on/off road as per gravel and have something going for them in less then perfect field conditions but they do not last well at all. Now Bridgestone, Michelin, Goodyear, Dunlop etc are so crazy priced that a lot of guys are buying Chinese drive and trailer tires and reserving only the steer tires to the brand names.
Interesting …. We had a stepdeck that we tried Chinese tires. They were def cheaper but if u didn’t cost per mile they were more than a branded tire ….. we run heavy here in ny ….. 102k on a 5 axle is legal.
@@flintcreektransport I am surprised you can run that heavy there, I've always gotten the idea a large part of the states were restricted to 80000 ( however some higher weight allowed for farmers ... that might be why your allowance ? ). Here in Alberta its 87000 summer and 89300 winter on a five axle. However the Super B trailer setup is extremely common here for grain trailers, bulker tankers, flat decks etc and so that is 140000. While not any more weight per axle, its a lot more weight and drag as far as the drive tires and stress on the driveline. Myself, my largest trailer is a tridem axle so 102500 summer, 104700 winter however .... being a farmer and short distance on gravel only from field to farm ( and certainly not legal ) based on heavy bushel weight wheat I expect I would be up to 135000 sometimes on my 6 axle LOL. Thankfully we do NOT have to use spread axles as there is enough side drag around a corner on 60" spread axles of a three axle group as those spread axles you use must be a killer on tires that do a lot of turning under weight. Our tandem is only 52" axle spread and way kinder on tires than the tridem due to far less side scrub.
Your tire videos always have good info both from you and the commenters. Thanks. Next time you better make some notes before the video. All those model designations will throw you for a loop. Take care.
CPM and SAFETY is exactly everything. Dose Continental do recapping on the drives? Ran similar tests with Hankook v's Michellin tires years ago. Based on CPM , traction and safety we switched to Hankook. Running Midwest to the all lower 48 they received approved from drivers and accountants.
Love watching your videos I'm on my way home from work is November 21st 2023 on my way home and I have one of your trucks follow me down the interstate down Interstate 80 it's a blue Kenworth I don't know the number on it but it's going down the interstate going a good job
When I was growing uo in this industry it was drummed into me that there are only two sorts of tyres, those with Michelin written on them and ****. That said, pence per mile rules.
Very interesting Justin, that Conti looks great for winter. Wonder how they effect fuel mileage ?? Tried to buy that TPMS, couldn't get info from Conti to purchase ?? Take care 👍🏻
I'm not a Michilan fan. To expensive and don't wear that well on gravel. Hauling grain and operating 80% on gravel they don't perform well for us. Hope the contenitals work for you 🙏. Happy Thanksgiving
try and see if you can get a set of Semperit tires, i know for a fact that you would be impressed with the grip/miles/price of those tires on the drives, i dont like them in the front tho, but those are different.. the types they offer for the drive axles are the best, especially in mixed on and offroad use (they are an Austrian brand). i myself have Michelins on the front and Semperits on the drives and i would not have it any other way ever again 😉 great content btw keep it up.
@@acd1202 oupz, chanced that, it was that what i ment, 🤣, dont be in a hurry while replying on youtube.. But you are right, they don't last as long as michelin but when you calculate cost per mile they are quite interresting as they dont cost all that much also 😉
@flintcreektransport hmmmm...well in addition to it already being in my opinion the most solid drive tire on the market & also priced much nicer than the competitors there is currently a really cool fall sale going on. Funny enough too I see where you're located we actually have a retail outfit. Would it be alright to call Flint Creek & ask for you Justin? Could share some more info with you on the 920 & some other great tires in the Toyo lineup
You have been around long enough to know how to figure tire cost. It's not what the tire originally cost you take the cost of the tire divide that miles it get & that is the cost per mile the tire cost you .a $600 Michelin drive tire might you over 200,000 miles =$3.00 per 1000 miles it costs. A $400 tire maybe gets 120,000 miles = $3.33 per 1000 miles. I'm sure you are to smart to fall for a cheap tire than it burns off fast & you really haven't say any money. The only thing you have going for you than others might not have is you change your own tires. Heck they get around $40 just to demount /mount a tire in my area. Plus a Michelin ordinal tire you get good money for if you trade it in on a new one. OR run that Michelin tire out then recap your own tire , wear it down then trade it in Don't cap it twice. You know the tire game.
Yes the steers are a whole different ball game but those Micheiln drive you were speaking of wear like iron .Must be a different type of compound or something because even a low pro 22.5 tire a person can get over 200,000 miles on them & there is still a lot of tread on them.
I managed a medium sized mixed fleet for 12 years tires were one of the biggest headaches I don't miss it!
Our fuel hauling company in Western Colorado uses Michelin XDS 2. The senior drivers love them in the mountains.
The XDN2 are great when new. At 10/32 they suck on ice.
We run log trucks in Ontario and we run the XDS 2 as well. Amazing traction in the winter. XDN2 tends to chip out once it gets worn down.
Always appreciate the education you provide in your videos. Now I can relate more to our truck driver clients :)
my current set up is Firestone FS591 steers, and Mich XDN2 drives. Love them both. First time with those steers, no complaints yet
Understanding tire wear patterns is crucial. Once you know that you watch your tires and find out your ideal psi for your application. I used to get stupid wear happening listening to the manufacturers tell me for this much weight run this many pounds. Ive got tires Michelin claims I should run 95 to 105 pounds in now im running 120 psi and all the dumb wear is gone. For high scrub applications I tend to run max pressure.
I am the tire guy at LUCKEN’S trucks in winger mn and we buy 15 trucks a week from auctions and sell parts but thee most common steer recently I see and have more of is the Firestone fs591
Found lowering tire pressures reduce stone drilling and surprisingly helped with wear. MPG suffers little though
Where I work we run Bridgestone M726 ELA drives and we usually get around 400k on a set and we’ve tried different steers multiple Bridgestone and Firestone, I’ve personally have had the best luck with the Firestone FS591.
Some Canadian Provinces require snow rated tires during winter months. So that tire with Canada on it may be a snow rated tire. The snow tires I run are all directional and we still run snow tires on vehicles that we run on the unplowed roads. Having a TPMS is helpful to keep the right pressure for the weight you are hauling. Have a safe trip there and back.
Interesting
the XDN2 is a great lasting tire great for snow and rain another similar tire and less money would be the Toyo M920
Alot of guys love the XDN2 here in northern Indiana as well. Ive been really happy with the Hankook DL12 which is similar to the xdn2 and run out of siping at about the same point but about $200 less. I thought I was doing awesome getting 140k miles on them, 200k seems ridiculously good.
You can rotate those HDW2 (Canada) continentals any direction once they get past 50%. I run them and yes they are a very impressive tire. I NEVER had a drive tire last as long as these and I haul heavy. Good alignment and taking off slow you’ll easily get 250,000+ miles out of them… (I used to only get 80,000 out of drive tires) and my truck is a heavy lead sled .
So far they are running out pretty decent ….
We use continental 255-70-22.5 low pro on our low riders like my new truck, we also use Michelin but continental is much cheaper. Thanks for sharing Justin 👍 happy trails and safe travels to the Bahamas 😎
Seems like Michelin may have gotten a lil greedy …..
Hankook DL12 is what guys run down my way in NY winters ( Catskills- Oneonta area ). Michelin is great, but only logical to put on the steer axles now due to price. Not sure now, but very close to $1k each installed but they have a crazy warranty on some of the steers and they do wear great. Drives are a similar cost, so that is going to hurt any owner operator or fleet..
On the other end. Oliver Blizzard track recaps are pretty common and loved with the fuel trucks. Cheap and great grip. But those would never last for long haul..
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Im having good luck with hankook dl12 . Great traction with them
I have had really great luck with the Bridgestone R268 steers
An insurance company that can do business in the United States but can't have a meeting in the US is odd to me.
Almost all captives are off shore
So true it's sneaky business.
Those new conti look very similar to the "xdn2 grip". The grips are great. Ran them year round in the desert highway and dirt/gravel roads. They are pricey tho.
Great Video Justin
Hello thanks for the educational video
Just found your videos.
I installed 5 sets of Continental tires on 4 Freightliners and 1 Volvo.
The Freightshakers have 100k. Tires wearing ok with the exception of cupping on the inside and outside rows. Rotating hasn’t helped.
The Volvo, 232k wearing ok, cupping is a minor issue.
Cost was $188 cheaper per drive vs the Bridgestones (M726) I was using the 268 steer.
We will see running here in the Pacific Northwest and east to Billings MT.
On drive tires or steer tires ? There is a reason they are cupping ….. for the best answer check with Mike or the guys at MD alignment ….
It’s the drive tires cupping. I did watch a very interesting video explaining why the tires cup. It has to do with the thinner metal the axles are manufactured with.
Steer tires run true, that’s why I stick to Bridgestone.
Ran Michelins for 30 years when I was leased to Gordon Trucking Inc out of Sumner, WA. They were a great deal buying thru the company. Heartland Express bought out GTI in 2017 and let us Owner Operators go.
Wow 😯 I’m stressed out about getting tires for our 2011 Rouge . Great video From Rhode Island . 😊
Just get Michelin defenders 😜
I stumbled across you're channel today with this particular video ( watched a few others to grasp a bit of what you haul ) and what really surprised me is that your trucks are equipped with 24.5 tires as don't a lot of the typical transport companies in the USA run 22.5 ?. I know here in Canada that seems to be the theme for the major trucking companies that run coast to coast on trucks and trailers, however I am in northern Alberta ( I grain farm by the way ) and a large majority of trucks run 24.5 in the oil patch and forestry, certainly off road on private ( company ) gravel logging roads they are WAY overloaded relative to what is allowed on the highways so they need a good capacity tire. The main highway tractors I have ( well experienced trucks before I got them unfortunately ! ) have 24.5 because they were all locally owned trucks from new. But as to tires the last set of drives I bought were Bridgestone M775 as that tire or Chinese copy cats are very popular here for on/off road as per gravel and have something going for them in less then perfect field conditions but they do not last well at all. Now Bridgestone, Michelin, Goodyear, Dunlop etc are so crazy priced that a lot of guys are buying Chinese drive and trailer tires and reserving only the steer tires to the brand names.
Interesting …. We had a stepdeck that we tried Chinese tires. They were def cheaper but if u didn’t cost per mile they were more than a branded tire ….. we run heavy here in ny ….. 102k on a 5 axle is legal.
@@flintcreektransport I am surprised you can run that heavy there, I've always gotten the idea a large part of the states were restricted to 80000 ( however some higher weight allowed for farmers ... that might be why your allowance ? ). Here in Alberta its 87000 summer and 89300 winter on a five axle. However the Super B trailer setup is extremely common here for grain trailers, bulker tankers, flat decks etc and so that is 140000. While not any more weight per axle, its a lot more weight and drag as far as the drive tires and stress on the driveline. Myself, my largest trailer is a tridem axle so 102500 summer, 104700 winter however .... being a farmer and short distance on gravel only from field to farm ( and certainly not legal ) based on heavy bushel weight wheat I expect I would be up to 135000 sometimes on my 6 axle LOL. Thankfully we do NOT have to use spread axles as there is enough side drag around a corner on 60" spread axles of a three axle group as those spread axles you use must be a killer on tires that do a lot of turning under weight. Our tandem is only 52" axle spread and way kinder on tires than the tridem due to far less side scrub.
Your tire videos always have good info both from you and the commenters. Thanks. Next time you better make some notes before the video. All those model designations will throw you for a loop. Take care.
Right !!!
5 axle otr flatbed
Steers: X-line 200k miles
Drives: xdn2 400k miles
12ft spread: General RA 100k-200k🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Have you ever run Hercules tires. Have great luck with them here in Texas
No
CPM and SAFETY is exactly everything. Dose Continental do recapping on the drives? Ran similar tests with Hankook v's Michellin tires years ago. Based on CPM , traction and safety we switched to Hankook. Running Midwest to the all lower 48 they received approved from drivers and accountants.
They will be ….. it will be a interesting test
if you can afford michelins, their GREAT.you just have to pay up front.but i found 95% of the time its worth it in longevity reasons.
Correct ….. we will see how these continentals wear …..
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don't do much off road. I always had good luck with closed shoulder drives. pressure check and rotation is they key!!!
Love watching your videos I'm on my way home from work is November 21st 2023 on my way home and I have one of your trucks follow me down the interstate down Interstate 80 it's a blue Kenworth I don't know the number on it but it's going down the interstate going a good job
That’s great !!
When I was growing uo in this industry it was drummed into me that there are only two sorts of tyres, those with Michelin written on them and ****. That said, pence per mile rules.
We have good luck with SUMITOMO ST918
Very interesting Justin, that Conti looks great for winter. Wonder how they effect fuel mileage ?? Tried to buy that TPMS, couldn't get info from Conti to purchase ?? Take care 👍🏻
Check ur dealer or call Paul. I can send u his info
@@flintcreektransport
What's Paul's # ?
Thanks Justin !!
Happy Thanksgiving too
XDN2's well documented 500,000 miles. You should check wheel alignment.
We haul heavy …..
I'm not a Michilan fan. To expensive and don't wear that well on gravel. Hauling grain and operating 80% on gravel they don't perform well for us. Hope the contenitals work for you 🙏. Happy Thanksgiving
What are you using? The gravel is tearing my drives up. I try to take them out each night but can’t ever seem to find them all
@austinc3669 general
try and see if you can get a set of Semperit tires, i know for a fact that you would be impressed with the grip/miles/price of those tires on the drives, i dont like them in the front tho, but those are different.. the types they offer for the drive axles are the best, especially in mixed on and offroad use (they are an Austrian brand).
i myself have Michelins on the front and Semperits on the drives and i would not have it any other way ever again 😉 great content btw keep it up.
Simperit is an Austrian brand, not Australian, which is why they're good in snow. They don't last though.
@@acd1202 oupz, chanced that, it was that what i ment, 🤣, dont be in a hurry while replying on youtube..
But you are right, they don't last as long as michelin but when you calculate cost per mile they are quite interresting as they dont cost all that much also 😉
Ever run the Toyo M 920s?
No.
@flintcreektransport hmmmm...well in addition to it already being in my opinion the most solid drive tire on the market & also priced much nicer than the competitors there is currently a really cool fall sale going on. Funny enough too I see where you're located we actually have a retail outfit. Would it be alright to call Flint Creek & ask for you Justin? Could share some more info with you on the 920 & some other great tires in the Toyo lineup
@@DKTires do they have a 16 ply ? Is it open shoulder ? Shoot me a email if u want. Justin@flintcreektransport.com
which tires are the best ? round ones lol im sorry i had to
You have been around long enough to know how to figure tire cost. It's not what the tire originally cost you take the cost of the tire divide that miles it get & that is the cost per mile the tire cost you .a $600 Michelin drive tire might you over 200,000 miles =$3.00 per 1000 miles it costs. A $400 tire maybe gets 120,000 miles = $3.33 per 1000 miles. I'm sure you are to smart to fall for a cheap tire than it burns off fast & you really haven't say any money. The only thing you have going for you than others might not have is you change your own tires. Heck they get around $40 just to demount /mount a tire in my area. Plus a Michelin ordinal tire you get good money for if you trade it in on a new one. OR run that Michelin tire out then recap your own tire , wear it down then trade it in Don't cap it twice. You know the tire game.
Yes…. Did the math. Doesn’t pay to run Michelin steers for us ….. I only bought 1 set for now of drives to see how they wear …..
Yes the steers are a whole different ball game but those Micheiln drive you were speaking of wear like iron .Must be a different type of compound or something because even a low pro 22.5 tire a person can get over 200,000 miles on them & there is still a lot of tread on them.
I had a boss that bragged about how good a price he paid for retreads and they didn't last a month , all blown
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