NEW lithium refining & extraction process biggest game changer of 2022
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2022
- NEW lithium refining & extraction process biggest game changer of 2022
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I expected this. I think it's funny when everyone panics about lithium prices when we know that's temporary. Humans don't just "give up" when there is a problem and money to be made. They come up with a solution and in modern times they can do that quickly. Also, just look how primitive the existing methods are. Did anyone really doubt there was a better way to do that?
I know, right? I feel the same way when people say the grid can't handle EVs. As if electric companies won't expand the grid to sell more of their product and make more money.
@@truhartwood3170 Also, EVs are not the only thing that needs more electricity. I see construction all over the place in my area, that's thousands of new AC units and other stuff going online every single day. This has been going on for decades and not a single person ever said "can the grid handle this growth?"
@@truhartwood3170 lol I love it when people make that argument "oh noes how will the grid handle it??" And I tell them the exact same thing you just said
Innovations seem impossible before they are done and trivial afterwards.
The EV batteries will save the existing grid.
Every one thinks backwards.
The grid disperses electrical energy.
The grid is incredibly expensive $/klm.
In the past small essential electrical supply was necessary.
With no fossil fuels, the extremely high density energy, then the grid only supply has to be 5 TIMES BIGGER.
And 5 TIMES more electric generation capacity.
The grid is 10 TIMES the cost of the power plants.
Nobody is talking about this matter.
I'll believe it when I see. Produced in volume, at scale, and capable of fulfilling 50 million EVs. Until then its vapor ware. The Salton Sea in California hyped in the media with similar extraction processes. Could take many more years to reach any meaningful quantity.
And just now BYD announced that it will built EVs with Sodium-ion batteries...CATL announced that in 2021. Both will start them in 2023.
Sam, DLE is not new but you and the technology are headed in the right direction. See Standard Lithium (most advanced and patent pending DLE tech), Lilac Solutions and E3 as well. DLE requires a fair amount of fresh water which is preciously scarce in Chile and Argentina.
Exactly right... DLE is the frontier technology for Lithium extraction and the method used at Standard Lithium is brilliant. NO MINING REQUIRED... There is an existing Bromine extraction facility and Standard Lithium has been licensed to tap into their existing infrastructure, including Water and Electric and most importantly their Bromine as it flow out of the existing wells. They already have a pilot demonstration plant in operation and has recently received the backing of the massive Koch Industries.
@@mrpaul5726 $100M invested by KOCH, serious DD performed on their part.
@@mauinuts8844 Yes a real endorsement from a big player.
This isn’t DLE. This blows out of the water Standard Lithiums prices or any other DLE process. This technology cleans up the old process by recycling the solvent.
There’s no way on earth DLE can compete with this if it is as clean as advertised because it improves the old simple and cheap methods.
Good Point, Well made, and you were honest to say IF.
IF......
No IF with DLE
Scaling this system Viking is referring to from the LAB to full industrial scale use is quite a journey, one where many bright ideas wither and die.
DLE is already in industrial use, though each Bromine/Saline location and chemistry needs a unique chemical setup for maximum extraction, AKA Koch Industries and Industrial Chemical Superpower.
I think Australia has a good chance of becoming energy independent via renewables (mostly solar and wind) and a battery and energy net exporter over this decade.
The stock quote for this is SPEY
Spot on Viking, DLE is the frontier technology for Lithium extraction and the method used at Standard Lithium is brilliant. NO MINING REQUIRED... There is an existing Bromine extraction facility and Standard Lithium has been licensed to tap into their existing infrastructure, including Water and Electric and most importantly their Bromine as it flow out of the existing wells. They already have a pilot demonstration plant in operation and has recently received the backing of the massive Koch Industries.
In addition, Standard Lithium's demonstration plant has been in operation for an extended period. They appear advanced in their technology allocation and use. They have no environmental hurdles as the bromine plants have been in operation in south Arkansas for decades, and the tail bromine is readily available.
@@thade8534 Spot on
This isn’t DLE!
This is a solvent recycling breakthrough. So basically it cleans up the old dirty process which was/is cost effective but environmentally damaging.
If this works as advertised DLE is dead in the water. Companies will shift overnight to this technology because it uses the old methods which are simple and already scaled.
ua-cam.com/video/DhqRkflbxYU/v-deo.html Salinity Solutions are also doing DLE in Cornwall UK, & are planning on setting up a test plant in South America.
LFP and L3P don’t need the most ultra-pure lithium. By the way UK is opening lithium brine mines in Devon & Cornwall, England. It operates through bore holes so there’s no digging of huge holes.
The news is probably better than that. ANSTO, additionally, has a non-destructive lithium extraction method applicable to hard spodumenes. So, Australia has all bases covered. E3 Lithium (Canada) and Lilac Solutions (USA), too, have come up with processes akin to the one mentioned in this vlog.
Yup, there's also EnergyX using filters and this company IBC Advanced technologies that has a 1 step extraction chromatography based method called "Direct Lithium to Product" (it literally just grabs the lithium out of the mixture of other salts as the liquid passes through).
The green revolution is moving faster than anyone could have imagined!
@@crispisauce Additionally, a scientific research cooperation between The University of Texas [Austin], Monash University and CSIRO seems to have played a big role in these developments. EnergyX seems to have gained a broad and exclusive license from the The University of Texas to commercialise industrial technologies arising from this research. Despite that Monash has spunoff a startup, ElectraLith, that says its mission is "to sustain a clean energy future by enabling cleaner, cheaper, and faster lithium production from all manner of feedstocks around the globe". Additionally, Monash researchers also appear to be working with researchers from the University of Melbourne, although it isn't clear whether they are from the group associated with Ekosolve (mentioned in this vlog) or not.
These are all amazing updates. I wonder if we could get a 2023 update video that does a rundown of all these technologies... I also wonder if these scientific revelations helped to drive down the price of lithium by nearly 83% this year alone! It's trading back under 10,000 USD which is double the 2010/2011 price but still WAAAAAAY less than the peak price which spurred this mini-technology boom..@@chris27gea58
Sounds a lot like Lake Resources who is in partnership with Lilac solutions. Their Katchi site in Argentina has delivered expected results.
How does one get into the business.... I have some sites back in Africa and some miners are approaching.
I believe this extraction process was developed by Spey Resources, a Canadian company. Phillip Thomas is co-founder of Ekosolve that developed the new process and is now CEO of Spey.
How to invest in these companies?
You are correct and this isn't news per say since they announced it over 22 days ago, however the stock itself is still in a downfall and not looking that good in my opinion.
Google Salinity Solutions UK, they have occasional share issues : @@carlocarnevali7790
As the ev production improves and ramps up the sales of ice goes down but ice production does not slow as much as it should and the unsold ice are stocking up.
This is slowly increasing and only just beginning but we are beginning to see this happening.
The less ice they sell the more pressure on ice prices increases and the death spiral is in action.
May be unexpected but should not be.
96%! That's Jessy Pinkman level extraction.
This blows out of the water (pun intended) the methods used by Standard Lithium , Lake Resources and plethora of other DLE technologies( ion exchange, membrane technology etc) which are expensive.
As others have said, it was only a matter time. We’ve been crying out for something like this.
I’m not surprised it came out of Australia which is probably the worlds leader in mining technology applications
LKE and GW1 . are ASX listed ...lithium companies in Argentina
I'm planning on being at the Fully Charged show in April! Looking forward to getting the code for that and hoping to see you there!
Elon did say lithium refining is a license to print money, this is also lithium extraction,
basically the margins on any company who tries this will be completely through the roof
Sounds great, but what is the solvent and are there any environmental hazards?
Great question, someone here must know the answer even if EV doesn't want you to know!
How to invest to this?
Sam… great news… I have been following several of the other new lithium extraction processes / companies, such as Energy X, etc., and this company / process is the most promising. I’m looking to invest too! Thank you.
Thanks for sharing
This is fantastic news, looks like we will all be having electric cars very soon.
No need for evaporation is great for South America! Great to see such advances in battery production and bringing costs down!
Hope this is all true. It would be great for the whole industry
This is fantastic news! Not sure we can invest in that company in the US, please let us know.
Yeah, I got excited about two companies with non-evaporative technology that would revolutionize lithium extraction. Their stock shot up… for a year or so but five years later their technology is not fast or effective and their stock is down over 90%.
it wil be the same with this new method.
This one of your better videos and I very much appreciate your efforts. It would be great if you could put together a video that describes the chemistry involved. You could partner with a chemistry professor at your local university to help with the details. Good luck and many thanks.
Lithium supply has never been a real problem. Nickel however is a big issue and exactly why we need to be going to L3P cells.
IBATF International Battery Metals
Sounds like more ecologically sound as well but would be good to hear this aspect addressed more directly.
Lithium is such a light element and reacts with nearly everything. It was only a matter of time before a breakthrough like this was gonna happen. Its great to see!
Ahem...Neither atomic weight nor metal density indicate reactivity. Lithium metal is highly reactive because Lithium is the most electronegative metal. This also gives high cell voltage and power.
Lithium is used in batteries exactly because of its electro-negative properties.
Saw this information 2 weeks ago, hopefully it scales and does not have unforeseen issues
How does Energyx fit in here?
On fire today EV!
Great news and report. Thank you.
Thanks Mate!
Hi Sam. What do you think of EnergyX, another lithium extraction innovator ?
An encouraging development
A new process for refining titanium could benefit the transportation industry. In the early 19th century aluminum was used in very costly jewelry and was kept in collections along with rare diamonds. . Then an economical electrolysis process enabled the metal to become affordable . Titanium is relatively abundant. High quality deposits are not common. The current titanium refining process requires multiple steps, preventing the common use of the light metal.
The periodic table of the elements is like having the 16 color box of Crayola when you need the 64 color set. It is, what it is. The limits of materials science causes the human body to be wonderfully biodegradable and many technical achievements to be just beyond our grasp. We might destroy the earth mining for increasingly restrictive minerals when the Earth's crust is rich , but it's beyond our reach.
Geo thermal energy seems to offer unlimited potential but the deep borehole tech is not practical and the hot corrosive material that comes up would destroy the generating plant . Let's harness the volcanoes - not!
This sounds fantastic!
Sounds great - thanks for bringing to our attention - the technology may help increase production but there is always a question about how effectively such technology can be patented.
Don’t plan on that. The Chinese (or anyone else) can simply change part of the process and therefore circumnavigate the patent
This is why first mover advantage is so important.
So, from the footage, just wear rubber gloves, reach into the pond, squeeze the liquid with your hands, and nod knowingly at your coworker. Looks good!
Does it reduce water use?
Looks like It's a tecnique analog to the one energyx It's using in Bolivia
Many are trying. Not proven at scale Follow Jade Cove Partners, Alex Grant, Lilac
Interesting.
Great news. Thank you for letting us know about this.
Our pleasure!
its 2024 and still no one has been able to extract LI using DLE
Earliest to production will be Volt Lithium, LithiumBank, E3 Lithium (16MT LCE M&I).
USA based SLI is apparently facing some issues with regulation. although their Lanxess plant is sorted.
Volt and E3 apparently have pilot plants with 99+% LI purity
Exciting stuff! Genuine question: why Argentina when Australia has its own lithium mines? Am I missing something? Thanks
Look forward to seeing you in Farnborough next year big man 😁
What is the solvent used in this process?
Is this the same or a similar process developed by a company operating Australia which claims to increase extraction of lithium from rock ore from around 60% to 90+% ?
More good news ☺️
What's the company you/he invested in? I watch in 2x speed and didn't catch it
did you manage to invest in Spey Sam?? I couldn't find a way from Australia...
Awesome insights on the lithium game changer. Heard Fuse Minerals is making waves with their lithium and rare earth minerals projects in Australia. IPO prospectus just got approved - any chance you could dive into their potential in one of your videos? I'm eager to hear your take
I'm curious what company you're investing in because there are a few companies that have been issued production licenses for this technology.
One world lithium have dle tech too
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I wonder how it works on low lithium source material ? Salton Sea in California? Is Tesla interested since it seems to be getting into
the Lithium refining business. So much stuff going on hard to tell what will make it and what's TGTBT.
Tesla have been in talks with at least one of their South American suppliers in Chile
I wonder if the process is similar to hemodialysis to with a "bath" = solvent. I dialyzed a patient last month that overdosed on lithium carbonate and explained to him that the world needs the lithium to make batteries for EV. The surgeon placing the dialysis catheter LOL.
I explain to the FUD group about lithium spills and environmental consequences that you simply let the water evaporate and collect the lithium. You can stick your hand in the stuff but don't consume too much of it as it will cause bradycardia. Are they willing to try that with the waste water on fracking and feel safe?
Is it battery-grade lithium?
99.5% sounds like battery grade lithium but it’s not, it needs to be further refined to a higher concentration.
No links to papers or articles?
Also, how about Aluminum graphene batteries that don't need Lithium?
So…Mr Viking…. When are these Y and 3 price drops coming to Australia that you’ve been espousing for months now? Cars ordered now won’t be be here until next year (hopefully) with that new battery … so…???
Hey bud, am looking to buy an EV, could you do a list of EV's that have LFP batteries please? I am in Melb too, am looking at the Volvo C40, are these LFP? Cheers Ken
Sounds disturbingly similar to EnergyX. These guys have a membrane tech too.
I'm invested them too. Check em' out Sam.
New breakthrough is welcome. Though there is always risk of slippery salesman and snake oil. Direct lithium extraction is no new idea, you can read about it with simple search. Remember Nikola Motor, Lordstown Motors, Elio Motors, Vandenbrink Carver, there are many start ups who never made it through. Getting Hindenburg report about SLI, does not raise my appetite either. IMO
I prefer Lake Resources and Lilac rather than these two. Lilac backed by Gates.
Exciting!
Is ekosolve on Nasdaq?
The only question I have is whether DLE is commercially scalable. If it can't be used to ramp up production to the huge quantities needed for the EV market, it's basically dead in the water, like a lot of startup ideas. It will be interesting to see if they can actually do this.
This isn’t DLE! It’s a solvent extraction technology.
So basically it’s using the old method but being able to recycle the solvent (which was the dirty and expensive part of the process).
There’s no way in hell DLE could compete with this if it actually works as advertised.
@@richardvivian3665 DLE just means Direct Lithium Extraction. If that's what they are doing, it's a form of DLE isn't it? They just improved it by recycling the solvent.
I think this is good approach because they don't need large brine ponds that use up space and take months to dry out.
Maybe for a while they will do both before phasing out the brine ponds or at the least they won't be making more brine ponds.
A bit like finding an oil well that continuously provides oil with no need to drill for it! Me thinks China could just be dropping the Lithium price very soon. . . .
I don't think I'd be celebrating just yet. It needs some demonstrated volume and scale. Otherwise could be just a pipe dream and pie in the sky unrealistic forecast. Hope its as successful as promised but,,,,,
I heard that the Lithium price in China has been jacked up as a money making scheme by lithium producers and that the CCP (who wants to help the local EV industry) is cracking down on it.
@@danielstapler4315 Your prediction could be correct. But the underlying problem I see is the uncomfortable dependence on a single country for this critical resource. Many other locations need to be developed so that the world is not beholden to a powerful entity fir their energy needs. We've seen the negative effects of this monopolization from the oil industry. The volume of Lithium being extracted today is a very very small percentage of what us required in order to achieve EV volume goals set by various governments. Price is less of an issue than available quantity.
Why aren't Tesla and other EV makers checking into the aluminum graphene battery? Much better than Lithium.
Seems like a next step for Tesla as they begin setting up a lithium extraction plant in south Texas........
I think technologically innovation will make EVs cheaper which is happening now just like mobile phones computers and everything tech
Aussie spod is best
So now my tesla will become a highly over price asset when cost for EV will go down.
Are you aware of EnergyX, if not pls check it.
from what?.. lithium brines?...
Shenanigans I can see - but to include Skulduggery...
BTW - where's the frog?
So you're saying we can now flood the market with lithium...
2023 UPDATE: Lithium is trading below 10,000/USD again so this STILL makes great economic sense... Even at 05,000/USD which was the 2010/2011 price of the stuff it would still be a 50% margin which is MORE than healthy and we get to change the world for the better! Seems win-win to me!
Here is the number one problem with all mining PERMITS. The USA is dead last in giving out permits 5 to 10-years. Good luck with your pilot plant in ten years you might be able to use it. IBATF has their's done waiting on PERMITS>
None of these DLE well get their permits. Reinjection of the bine is also a very big issue.
Standard Lithium in AK is already permitted and has along side Lanxess 40 YEARs of re-injection experience into the smackover.
Isn’t this exactly what Tesla was patenting ?
Is there lithium on the moon,or mars? Might explain a few things 😏
Mining PERMITS is the number one reason there is a lithium shortage. It takes 5 to 10-years to get a mining permit in the US.
You need to research Mining permits in Argintina, and Chile. Know the full story before you go telling people to spend money.
Bribery and insider purchasing intruding required?
All for it…but these are the words, promises and proofs on small scale. Now let’s wait and see meaningful production of seemingly yet another “holy grail” technology.
Big part of the whole hype of producing in 4 hours instead of 18m -2 years has already been un-hyped since it makes no obvious difference in yield once traditional operations are up and running…
This will be 5-10 years away
Sounds like they're still on the bench...
Lithium is refined Salt. Lithium can be made of Brine of Desalination Plant. Salt is everywhere. Seawater Salt
Salt Lake City Salt. Salt Lakes in Chili, Salt Mines Australia. Everywhere. Lithium production has not really started yet. The Money Making Model of Lithium production is D Problem. Lithium is not.
First like and first comment.
haha
CYDVF has been using DLE for a while now, 80% extraction, 99.95 lithium carbonate in 24 hours, the very same company TESLA tried to buy, Feasibility study in Q2...
Refining lithium force earth to black hole engineer 😂😂😂
What solvents are used ? I'm guessing that info is not available due to trade secrecy, if 5% of solvents not recovered and its on an industrial scale, where do those solvents go and what are these solvents?
Seems most information is that released by the company in press releases. Invest in a company that little is known about the chemicals used? If you want to make money, maybe you will, but what consequences to environment, I'm guessing very little known about solvents in detail?
How about slow down and really do some research
That's the good news that may liberate Western industry from the thrall of China. It's time to 'balance' trade.
Another dreamer is born.
no way id vest in this.. too easily to go from under supply of lithium to a lithium overage. bye bye money.
Please note - "extraction Process" Right now the "process" is a solar one - you put lithium out in pools in the sun and let it precipitate out. Your process requires energy and water in a plant - did you see those trucks in your video carrying water? It is slow and it is expensive and unless you try to power these trucks and plants by solar - you burn a lot of CO2 doing it. In the right spot it might make sense; but i feel sure you won't see Lithium prices drop soon - invest in lithium I guess.
Problem is not getting the lithium the problem is getting lithium all over the environment. Where it is right now just not affect me but as soon as you get it out there on the roads every road it will affect me because there are going to be accidents involving lithium being put in my environment what then?
So what does Elon, or Sandy Munro, for that matter, have to say about this......
Has god given us the tools we need to save our sorry asses, again again again???
It sounds alot like the brine refining process Elon Musk was describing earlier this year that all the haters were incredulous about! If the cost to process one ton is now $2,500 from $85,000 I imagine the price for the raw product going in to the betteries themselves will soon be less than $8,500 per ton or 90% less than before.