all these arguments about who the best qotsa drummer is are just stupid. from alfredo hernandez through to joey they've all been great and suited each album perfectly
Nobody is ever going to bat for the current guy, though. Had a dream I asked Josh his name and he said, "I don't know him, he's like Mikey's friend or something."
Hello commenter of the recent past. "Best" is fairly subjective. As far as technical ability, chops, etc...Jon Theodore probably is the most technically gifted drummer Queens has had. Dave obviously had a vitality and an energy that few drummers in the world can match. While Joey was no slouch, his time keeping (always speeding up!!!) left much to be desired, and personally I think his playing was a bit too heavy handed to pull off anything with any groove. Alfredo, in my opinion, could groove better than any drummer in qotsa's history, and his groove oriented and unwavering playing style meshed perfectly with early queen's more groovy, repetitive, heavy "robot rock" sound at the time. Gene was a fantastic live drummer and the songs he played on Rated R certainly don't suffer for it. He wasn't as groovy, thunderous, or technically sound as some of the others, but he had a tendency toward genuinely "catchy" drum parts (people forget the drum beats to "go with the flow", "millionaire", "parasol", and "feel good hit" are his work). Finally, Nick Lucero drummed some on Rated R and deserves credit, if for nothing else than managing to wrangle in the insanity of "Leg of Lamb", "Headache", etc. These songs are NOT your average 4/4 straight ahead rock songs with a poppy backbeat. Personally I enjoy Alfredo's drumming the most, but Jon Theodore is undoubtedly a fantastic drummer.
+Justin Vavala And to add since I can't edit on mobile: I still can't get over Alfredos playing on the Self-Titled album, it's just so catchy and blends with the guitars so well. Josh once said he had an idea on the beats for the album but couldn't do them himself since he said he wasn't good enough. Glad he got Alfredo on board.
Joey was perfect drummer for every era of the band he was in. When he was first hired, the band was at its hardest, leanest, and fastest, and Joey was obviously the only monster for the job. He was on the same wavelength as Nick and Josh, raised on hardcore, worshipped Black Flag, and not only musically matured by Danzig- he was IN Danzig. On Lullabies to Paralyze, he totally reinvented his playing, made it smarter, more clever and tasteful, but kept the energy for a band in it's prime. For Era Vulgaris, he became the quintessential mechanical gorilla for the reinterpretation of robot rock. Again, adding exciting inventive techniques and grooves, always moving forward. You can't pigeon hole the dude, it's not just punk rock and metal, it's hip hop and funk and disco. The guy came up with the parts for Covered in Punks' Blood and Make It Wit Chu in the same session. Another thing people misunderstand: The guy didn't rush. The band circa 2003-2008 wanted almost everything faster. That is coming from Josh. It brought up the energy. Again, punk rock mentality. Some songs do sound like crap rushed, like Avon, I'll give you that, but the majority sounded more energetic live. But I'd take rushed over dragged any day anyway. And he had the best drum sound for the band. Listen to ...Like Clockwork. The songs he played on sounded the best, because years of experimenting with Hutch gave him the best place in the mix for the guitar style the go for. Dry, heavy, big, thick drums. Think Frank Beard in ZZ Top, or all those 70s Funk and Punk records. Dry as a bone. Josh likes it that way.
+Carlo Von Sexron Nice reply, answered a few questions I had about Joey. Though I appreciate what he brought into the band, I still think speeding up songs was a bad idea, be it Josh's or Joey's. I can take simpler and more straightforward songs like Gonna Leave You and Regular John with a faster tempo but not something like Someone's in the Wolf, Song for the Deaf or Mexicola, they lose the monster groove that they have if you speed them up too much, and they just don't have the same impact they would have with normal speed. Something like the Montreux 2005 gig is something I really enjoy though, and the speeding doesn't catch my attention for some reason. On another note, and I've been wondering this for a while now, who are you? I'm just really curious, I always see you laying down the facts on pretty much anything QotSA and co. related and I overall agree with your points most of the time and like your reasoning.
@@michaeldouglas3888 i know this comment is from 8 hrs ago, but yeah, the concert where brendon was being the weakest link, and all sorts of technical difficulties ensued during the show.
it's brendon mcnickel..you're right about the keys (i think )..but i really miss his lapsteel manoveours..that was mind blowing...check out you can't quit me baby at dusseldorf
@LankanLatino the differance is that on 98 the self titled album was yet to be released only few months after that concert and in 2001 were already 2 qotsa lp out
I hate how they always rush this song live. Every drummer who plays this, except Alfredo, rushes this song and it loses the stoner heaviness it has in the studio.
all these arguments about who the best qotsa drummer is are just stupid. from alfredo hernandez through to joey they've all been great and suited each album perfectly
Nobody is ever going to bat for the current guy, though. Had a dream I asked Josh his name and he said, "I don't know him, he's like Mikey's friend or something."
I love this song especially how it has evolved over the years
Tu tu tu tu
Dude. Whenever i get baked i watch that video over and over.
its freakin great
Hello commenters of the past! I'm here to declare that the newest QOTSA drummer, Jon Theodore, takes the spot as the best QOTSA drummer!
Hello commenter of the recent past. "Best" is fairly subjective. As far as technical ability, chops, etc...Jon Theodore probably is the most technically gifted drummer Queens has had. Dave obviously had a vitality and an energy that few drummers in the world can match. While Joey was no slouch, his time keeping (always speeding up!!!) left much to be desired, and personally I think his playing was a bit too heavy handed to pull off anything with any groove. Alfredo, in my opinion, could groove better than any drummer in qotsa's history, and his groove oriented and unwavering playing style meshed perfectly with early queen's more groovy, repetitive, heavy "robot rock" sound at the time. Gene was a fantastic live drummer and the songs he played on Rated R certainly don't suffer for it. He wasn't as groovy, thunderous, or technically sound as some of the others, but he had a tendency toward genuinely "catchy" drum parts (people forget the drum beats to "go with the flow", "millionaire", "parasol", and "feel good hit" are his work). Finally, Nick Lucero drummed some on Rated R and deserves credit, if for nothing else than managing to wrangle in the insanity of "Leg of Lamb", "Headache", etc. These songs are NOT your average 4/4 straight ahead rock songs with a poppy backbeat.
Personally I enjoy Alfredo's drumming the most, but Jon Theodore is undoubtedly a fantastic drummer.
+Justin Vavala It's like you read my mind and expanded on my comment. Thank you for that since I totally agree.
+Justin Vavala And to add since I can't edit on mobile: I still can't get over Alfredos playing on the Self-Titled album, it's just so catchy and blends with the guitars so well. Josh once said he had an idea on the beats for the album but couldn't do them himself since he said he wasn't good enough. Glad he got Alfredo on board.
Joey was perfect drummer for every era of the band he was in. When he was first hired, the band was at its hardest, leanest, and fastest, and Joey was obviously the only monster for the job. He was on the same wavelength as Nick and Josh, raised on hardcore, worshipped Black Flag, and not only musically matured by Danzig- he was IN Danzig. On Lullabies to Paralyze, he totally reinvented his playing, made it smarter, more clever and tasteful, but kept the energy for a band in it's prime. For Era Vulgaris, he became the quintessential mechanical gorilla for the reinterpretation of robot rock. Again, adding exciting inventive techniques and grooves, always moving forward. You can't pigeon hole the dude, it's not just punk rock and metal, it's hip hop and funk and disco. The guy came up with the parts for Covered in Punks' Blood and Make It Wit Chu in the same session. Another thing people misunderstand: The guy didn't rush. The band circa 2003-2008 wanted almost everything faster. That is coming from Josh. It brought up the energy. Again, punk rock mentality. Some songs do sound like crap rushed, like Avon, I'll give you that, but the majority sounded more energetic live. But I'd take rushed over dragged any day anyway. And he had the best drum sound for the band. Listen to ...Like Clockwork. The songs he played on sounded the best, because years of experimenting with Hutch gave him the best place in the mix for the guitar style the go for. Dry, heavy, big, thick drums. Think Frank Beard in ZZ Top, or all those 70s Funk and Punk records. Dry as a bone. Josh likes it that way.
+Carlo Von Sexron Nice reply, answered a few questions I had about Joey. Though I appreciate what he brought into the band, I still think speeding up songs was a bad idea, be it Josh's or Joey's. I can take simpler and more straightforward songs like Gonna Leave You and Regular John with a faster tempo but not something like Someone's in the Wolf, Song for the Deaf or Mexicola, they lose the monster groove that they have if you speed them up too much, and they just don't have the same impact they would have with normal speed. Something like the Montreux 2005 gig is something I really enjoy though, and the speeding doesn't catch my attention for some reason.
On another note, and I've been wondering this for a while now, who are you? I'm just really curious, I always see you laying down the facts on pretty much anything QotSA and co. related and I overall agree with your points most of the time and like your reasoning.
when this is your worst concert ever, you can consider yourself a badass band
i know this comment was from 9 years ago, but this isn't the concert they were talking about.
Fuck I know this comment was from 2 days ago, but your totally right ❤️ Edsded is referring to the previous time they did this festival right?
@@michaeldouglas3888 i know this comment is from 8 hrs ago, but yeah, the concert where brendon was being the weakest link, and all sorts of technical difficulties ensued during the show.
@@jmmjjmmjjmmj i know this comment is from 6 months ago, but rock am ring 2001 or 2000 is their worst show apparently
@@certifiedchimp3047 i know this comment is froman hr ago, but thats the concert i was referring to
it's brendon mcnickel..you're right about the keys (i think )..but i really miss his lapsteel manoveours..that was mind blowing...check out you can't quit me baby at dusseldorf
great song, but the keyboard sounds very high
it sounds like Can
that’s how i like it
@LankanLatino the differance is that on 98 the self titled album was yet to be released only few months after that concert and in 2001 were already 2 qotsa lp out
Love love 💕 u Josh
NO ONE PLAYED WITH THEIR FUCKIN PHONES BACK THEN AND WERE ENJOYING THE MOMENT
the best fucking song ever
agreed
@andygrohl08 They were at their best with Dave, but they're perfectly fine without him.
Trautmann kicks ass
that sound doesnt fit at least live
3:17 Anthony Kiedis 2000's version
I hate how they always rush this song live. Every drummer who plays this, except Alfredo, rushes this song and it loses the stoner heaviness it has in the studio.
I can't believe this was 17 years ago.
20 for now
23 ❤
I know I'm gonna take shit for this, and don't get me wrong I love Gene Trautmann but the Dave Grohl drum solo is wayy better on that version.
Shouldn't get shit for that. Dave destroys avon
love joshs voice in this
watching avon bizzare 1998 and avon bizzare 2001..its funny it took 3 years for the crowd to appreciate this live. even with the out of place keys
people....
i fw the keys heavy not out of place at all
@@aliquadri7077i didnt mean it negatively, just that it stands out clearly from the rest of it. Gives this performance its own flavour
@@LankanLatino ah it’s cool. hard to find another version like this with the keys more pronounced except for the live version on the deluxe album
I don't think the keys are out of place in this song, but they should have been played differently
They should fit more with the other instruments
Clearly you don't know qotsa
The keyboard sounds horrible but the rest sounds great
Dave catching, not saying good night, just saying ;)
eyyy songs for the deaf
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
yeah, it's killing me too
@QOTSAPT yeah I figured as much, still I think I would've been rockin out in 98 had I been there
theres a problem with the keyboards. i can definitely hear it! lol
it would if i in 2001 had already 10 years of qotsa
He´s a really nice guy too!!!!
Damm
This band is the motherfucker great of revolutie 🤘✌🤘✌🤘🙏
the good ol days but i dont miss nick cos josh wud b verrry angry and we donnt want that:D
Yeah it really kills it. Makes it sound cheezy.
Loaded..
SO GOOD
NIce!
perfection
@daveyow totally! he doesn't HAVE to play anything