Until recently, I always preferred the fastback to the coupe. I'm not sure of "why" but I just liked it! On the other hand, the coupe has stunningly beautiful lines - the long hood, the short trunk section! The design was revolutionary when it came out! Nothing like it was ever seen before it's introduction! We'll I just broke down and purchased one of these beauties! The coupe was my ultimate choice! It's a pleasure to drive,. The 289 is mechanical perfection! Sometimes I'll pull up a chair, grab a beer, and sit in the garage in awe of this beauty! A Raven black, 1965 lovefest! Thanks for your posts! I always look forward to watching them!
I have a 70 Mach 1 that I have owned since 1977… It has a 351c 4v ( 500hp), top loader and 4.30 nodular 9.75” ring gear rear. It is a louvre , rear spoiler and shaker scoop car. But… big but, the body shell is shot, having lived it’s life in New Jersey…. So I will be stepping up to a shell swap… this was a great vid. I will keep you guys in mind when the time comes.
If you ever ditch that shell I'd like to use the body to make a mold so I can make an entire 1970 fastback mustang body out of fiberglass. where do you live?
Oh i loved the fastback my dad had a coupe my older brother had a fastback. His buddy had and he bought it new a 67 shelby cobra. A buddy of mine had the mac 1 that car was very fast Me if i had the money would buy the shell add a modren v8 with fule injection and spark plug and coil sets electronic ing. Headers flared wheel wells and i would change the dash custom make adding a sound system carbon fiber door panels Electric lock and windows 5 speed transmission independent rear suspension traction bars dule pipe No back seat < sound system Tablet stereo carbon fiber dash. First place it go is the paint shop 3 coats of silver pearl 5 coats if uv clear. Led headlights and tail lights Id build my own wire harnesses. Ad a turbo ac and intercooler These ship on a jig doesn't need to be a roller. .
i like the convertible 1966-70 ( 🤔68 in light bass-boat blue white pony deluxe or black interior, example at a car/cash-cruise-in show best one sofar ) more than the fastback or notch/coupe but add the extra top's/town-topper's fast + notched for weekend/winter/heavy-rainy/small-light-hale driving ( or 90+mph track-days ) and make it a BEV or hybrid + all-wheel-drive and tail-panel to change the style between base and full-loaded/Shelby and for easier airport experience etc but it's the wife's 👰👰 ( and dad's/mom's side-parents are ford-fans ) tolerated pick, 🤚🤠🤚im a 60's/2-G charger hemi+Tr6060-etc owner and 80's k1500 😉
Small thing on the registering of them. If you use a Licensed Reproduction body, you will not have to resmgister it as a "kit car" if you do everything right, and have all your documentation and paperwork in order, the DMV will begin the process to issue a proper VIN matching the model year, vehicle type, and all other information. Thing is most people and most shops doing it screw up and file the wrong stuff with motor vehicle. You can however easily find all the information on how to correctly complete the process in your state on the SEMA website. There are obvious exceptions, with this however, such as vehicles that extremely differ from original production units, and vehicles that were originally produced in a certain fashion but have been chopped and modified to represnt another vehicle such as converting a coupe to a fastback, which most states will require a rebuild, salvage, or restomod title depending on the extent of work done and the states definition of each.
Thanks for sharing. New subscriber just came across your channel and because before being sent to Vietnam I owned a brand new 1968 Mustang fastback . Boy I only wish I still had it. Thanks for sharing and I will definitely follow the other videos. Artie 👍
thanks for taking the time man.. great information and totally makes sense... there are so many factors to take into consideration when doing this.. thanks again
I’m obsessed with doing a fb conversion on a 65 and have been following LSG for several weeks. When Moog lifted up that shirt I severely geeked out! Been a MCM fan over ten years now.
Having been in the business for years it's the same situation both ways. Taking an existing body which could have been put together wrong by Ford or repaired wrong some where along the way in the last 60 years vrs a brand new body that might be put together wrong I would put the odd basically the same. Also I have ordered brand new doors, quarters and fenders that have been off by as much as half an inch before. If you rush assembly you can get yourself into a terrible mess. I think your video was a fair representation and gives good information. Nice to see honest videos on youtube for a change.
Hey Jim, thanks for the input and for following along! I really agree with you. Brand new or old, either way you'll probably have to kick the crap outta it!
Great information and video, I have heard that new Dynacorn bodies have problems with the gaps on the doors and fenders, I'd like to see your followup video on you building a complete Dynacorn shell.
I know a guy planning on getting one of these. He has a car his dad bought new. And its rusted out beyond repair. He's basically ordering the shell and going to put his Vin plates on it. And I think this is a valid option for people that have a car that they bought and discovered that the dynacorn shell will be a cheaper build than the car they currently have. And honestly it's no different than someone pulling a car out of a field and replacing pretty much every panel and calling it the same car that rolled off the line in 66.
@@lostsocketgarageits just another tool in the toolbox. There are a lot of people running them down because people are using them and tagging old Vin plates on them. I'm kicking around one to build as probably a kit car and doing a restomod on it in some ways so people dont bitch and moan about be cutting up a vintage car. But I'm thinking an AWD edge donor and run from there.
Just finishing up my 1968 Ford Mustang coupe-to-fastback project now. The bodywork is all done just finishing up the suspension, glass, doors, paint and brakes. Wiring, motor and transmission up next. BTW mine is a Shelby GT-500 tribute, yes, even more money to accomplish $$$$$. Hey - maybe you can address the various body carts and rotisseries available for this type of project. I had the Mustang Twirler cost about $400 I think that I got from the coupes previous owner. Love to see the various solutions out there for getting a project done. Cheers! (Maybe I'll make a 3 minute video when I'm all DONE!) INITIAL Car price w/floors and extra Sheet metal - $2200, FB body kits pieces $6000, Shelby kit pieces $6000, Legendary Tires/Wheels 17/245/45 $2000, Big Brakes D/D $4000, Engine rebuild $5000, Trans rebuild $1500, Currie 9 inch/31 spline/posi rear (new) $2500, Suspension/Steering $3000, Wiring $1000, Gauges $1000, Fuel tank $200, 8-pt Roll Cage $500, Interior $5000, TCP frame kit $500, Exhaust $1000, MISC parts $5000, Transportation $3500 (long distance/3 trips across CA) Paint $5000+ (Maybe $10K) BTW I got a real 428 FE/ C-block for $500, C6AE-R heads $500, and a 31 Spline BBF C/R Toploader for $1200! 🙂
I've had bad luck in the past with after market part's not being up to original build standards. Mainly truck parts. Doors and tailgates that would start coming apart at the welds, thinner sheet metal, fitment issues. My question is how's the quality of these parts overall? I have access to two original and complete fastbacks that were totaled way back in the day that I've been thinking about rebuilding with these panels. Although they've been stored inside for over 40 years the bodies are unrepairable.
Their repop stuff is good... comparatively . Every panel I've ever used, we have had to kick around a bit for fitment. however I would say for mustangs, Dynacorn is the best available.
Out of curiosity, have you ever been asked to do a convertible to fastback conversion? If so, did you do it? And if you did, what kind of stuff did you run into that was different?
I've been asked about this actually. Haven't done one yet (mostly because converts are still fetching fairly good dough) . However theoretically it'd be a great candidate due to the extra structural support built into the convertible.
Good idea though most tent Mustangs are rusted out. Had one here recently and it looked ok,, but look underneath and it was rusty and poorly patched. Personally I never want a car without a roof. Though a good one is worth insane money because many think they are 'cool' Cold in winter and sunburn in summer!
@@lostsocketgarage The extra support was what I was wondering about, but as ldnwholesale8552 mentioned, most of them in "project car" condition (at least here in Indiana) are probably too rusted out for the extra support to matter.
Good video-appreciate the details on the budget. I’d definitely like to see you guys build a car from. Dynacorn shell and then do an update about what it really costs. Also-your sign off “don’t be a ****” has been my family motto for decades. My personalized plate is DBAD.
Hey Thanks. I think we are getting a 69 shell soon, so I can do an update. haha right on! Seems like a simple concept, but so many people can't grasp it. AMAZING plate haha
The biggest plus that I see after doing cars for many decades is rust, that one hidden bit usually is a heart breaker when it shows up after the build unless you are getting your body dipped to remove hidden rustickles and then treat it correctly then your rolling the dice
I always liked the coupe better in the first gen. IIs and Fox bodies, the fastback justifies itself with that hatch, although that doesn't matter as much with a hobby car it's a must for a daily.
Yeah vin swapping is not legal. It's a very very questionable practice at best. While I do think in a lot of scenarios it totally makes sense to do it, people can get outta hand with it quickly. Hence the law. Does it make sense to just buy a body and vin swap if you are going to have to replace 98% of the donor anyways... yeah of course it does, but is it still illegal... very.
@@lostsocketgarage thanks for the info. I thought they were Ford licensed products, so that gave them a replacement part status. I’m originally from the rusty North and have gotten tired of replacing floors, quarters, rockers, etc.
Yeah honestly its a good question. I believe they are licensed but I do not believe that means its ok to move the vin to a different car. I mean I'm with ya, you should be able to, but that opens the door for the shiesters ya know?
Maybe I missed it, but it looked like you were comparing having NO donor to having to do a conversion. In which case, I didn't see you mention a hood and fenders. Maybe I missed something but it always looks like the Dynacorn stuff doesn't include the front of the car. Am I right?
I gotta say the dynacorn shell would be the way to go if you wanted to build a 1969 boss 429 that you weren’t afraid to drive. Give me the John Wick paint job and the XAB-411 jersey plate and I’m ok with the price. Plus you can throw on a modern AC unit and have a rare one off super cruiser boss 429 with modern additions like a modern 6 speed manual transmission and be able to run a 3:90 rear end. Modern brakes and suspension would make a civilized big block mustang that people would be flabbergasted that you actually drove.
still to nose 👃heavy for me, wife's not getting that/v8's ally or iron combos out of me/my-sweat equity as i see a all wheel drive BEV more balanced or iron-boxer-6 or ally-v6 or ally-I6 + 10R80 ( my 2c add the hybrid option to transmission also ) as a better experience but that's my 2c as a 440/hemi+stick/7-speed dodge B-body platform guy, aka bullit-move the charger's got more game 😉 as for the general ideology of driver's experience with repoped rare-classics 👍 as phone-poles/hard-drive's aren't as much to worry about
You can use custom mounts and 50/50 the drive train if you are so inclined. I really don't think running that kind of horsepower is a good idea or responsible for the street. People can get killed. It's a loaded weapon. 😊@richardprice5978
Currently working on a 68 firebird convertible with dynacorn body. It sucks nothing is exactly right and if you push on the a pillar you can bend it forward and back by hand. So much so the windshield wouldn’t go in. We grabbed it by hand and were able to pull the a pillars forward. Body shop called them to see if this was normal and the guy said “ WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OT WAS MADE IN TAIWAN” ……..
@@lostsocketgarage i’m doing the Upholstery on the car so I’m repeating what the painter told me. I did see the a pillar issue though as it was an issue adjusting the frame of the convertible top to fit correctly. It’s actually a little more disappointing to find out. There are assembled here. I would’ve thought with that being the case they would take more time to locate the brackets and things better.
Being in the body die trade since 1978 and knowing the cost of a line of dies the price they charge for repo panels there has to be short cuts made to stamp out the metal hence why I've seen the issues from one car to another say on front or rear glass fitting and moldings fitting. To do dies properly and keep quality control on such a limited run the panels would probably be over 5K each for just a rear quarter.
And to think how many old classics I've owned, I got dirt cheap, sold after losing interest in, could be worth a mint now days haha.....Especially, the '67 fastback I got for $500 in the '90s, working at a Ford dealer. Owners son bought it for $1000, never paid 2nd $500, so owner wanted the car or money. Service manager asked me if I wanted it? HELL YEAH ! bought it on the spot lol Was only missing the engine and trans,and few other small bits n pieces....It even had factory PS and AC even, clean interior, no rust. I ended up selling it to some high school kid for $750 bout a year later. He did what I shoul'da just done, and slap a junk yard engine trans in it and drive it lol......1 year later, I seen the kid running around town driving it (Arizona)
Hi I bought the first Dynacorn fastback imported into Canada in 2007. It was used to build a Elenore style restomod. I used a 67 as a donor. We did a Shelby kit and used Ford certified front fenders. There was extensive work needed to get stuff to fit. The glass was a nightmare. Gaps were as bad as factory and barely acceptable. Door guts were way off. I think starting with a real car like you do is way better. On the upside I build a killer workbench out of the crate square tubing.
Like any company Dynacorn will address a need/want. If they think they can sell them they will build them. Personally I don't think they will ever make those because people are not willing to pay that price for those cars.
finished up a 67 FB last year tons of fab work to even get factory cars to fit started off with a car that was from new Mexico and off the road since 1977 till last year ya don't find that often in Michigan. we reworked everything and lots of one off parts now its a retro stang with 289 turbo and 5 speed ruby red with black accents. crappy part is when ya try to insure them they wanted an agreed value in the 6 figures. But the building was a lot of fun and the history of the cars, this was possibly a playboy pink car but dunno all we know is pink was the first color and found everywhere. on to the next one witch is even more weird grafted a 93 fox body floor and firewall forward to a 67 coupe gotta be different LOL
For a shell to turn into a completed FB? I mean All the math Im doing is if you are doing the work yourself. There is quite a bit of labor that goes into it.
The hat looks goofy. LOL I get the snap on story though. Be easy on me, I'm 72. 8) I have several trailers, pickup not a factor. I could build a "rotisserie" for it in an afternoon w/friends and a case of beer. 8) I wonder if that body could be crafted to a Factory Five Pt_1 hot rod kit? That would be very cool, and solve a lot of problems!! I also never heard of 'Dynacorn'! I'm really curious, a late 60's Camaro is something I could get super excited about!!! Thanks much, great video!! --gary
Wow! I didn't think of house delivery, and because i live in a Slope home, drive has a 3.5 foot incline with 10 x 10 foot flat patch with 1.5 degree decline away from home to keep Rain water or Flooding.. Great Share I may not be able to do the DynoCorn Immediately after all. I had bought a 2022 Roush with the Tremec 6 Speed Manual Transmission, and MagneRide Suspension, with the Intercooled Limited Slip Torsen Rear Differential. The Same as the GT500. 👨🏻🤘🏻🏁🏁🏎🏎🏁🏁🚩🚩
It seems like just building the full thing with a donor VIN number would make the most sense. You have a full new car, upgrade as you see fit. Then there is no guilt of messing up an original car, when that car doesn't really exist anymore.
Best way to go just by the Dyna con shell and just transfer the running gear from the Old rust bucket and just by a rust bucket and have as a donor car
Thanks for the information, but most shops will kill you in labor for a conversion. Where I am at they want 20K for a conversion and to fix small floor pan rust, the rest is straight and no rust.
@@lostsocketgarageEver come across a Raodster shop chassis mated with a Dynacorn body? Would that work? Several folks have done it, but it's not a simple bolt-on project.
Okay, so this tells me to just completely repair my 69 Fastback and not worry with anything else. However I do have a really nice 289 hi-po I really need to get put into a 67 Fastback smdh i soo should have bought the 67 fb shell 20 years ago for $300 who knew what the future held these days its all too damn expensive!
How much is the cost of storage over 20 years. Just saying... A guy that save 98 gt after I crashed it. Finally finished 20 years after. Kids n life bro
The biggest issue with building a basically "new car" no numbers no title is in most states they must be built to current standards so using an era correct engine will not pass emissions for a new car, i feel like those bodies are best suited for someone who has a rusty relic they're trying to make new again where you have all the tags, vin number and a past history of registration, you could avoid tons of regulations and red tape just restoring a car than trying to build a new replica, but its your money
There is definitely a few situations where the new body is a smart play. Its really very situational in my opinion. Thats why I try to present it in that way. I definitely agree with you though. Thanks for following along!!!
I got a dynacorn Camaro body in my shop. It’s was twisted. Firewall was off angle and would not mount to subframe, and there is a full list of other crap. I have seen the tri five made bodies utilizing golden star, it was horrible. The problem is people that put them together, if you add up the parts by themselves, and compare it to a put together body, there is not a lot of room to do it right. Yes they use jigs, but jigging up roughly stamped panels doesn’t equal quality. I don’t specialize in one car, I specialize in sheet metal shaping, design and making bodies. I do take on builds but will not take one a prefabbed body anymore without an up charge. The amount of time fixing, going over schematics to correct the several prefabbed bodies is crazy.
Interesting discussion. Lots of ship of Theseus vibes surrounding this and these kinds of builds. Their is one kid on YT rebuilding a '68 charger and has to replace probably 85% of the sheet metal.
True, never thought of it that way tbh. In this scenario I think the ship is more of an feeling that the car gives you vs. the actual car itself. Eye of the beholder type stuff. Solid reference though
This seems like a Ford only website, but i think the Camaro convertible would be a more economical option due to the junk yard front clip powertrain availability and less glass requirement. To me, an interior is a luxury less the dashboard and seats, and even the dashboard could be as simple as a guage cluster until you can source one.
I'm glad you made this video... because I've heard it both ways... "they're cheap 💩 made from 💩 forms", and "their fit and finish is better than '60s FoMoCo". To be fair, both of those can be true at the same time.
Worst thing, is most state definitions of the finished car. Even if it's a replica or "continuation" car... it falls under "specially constructed vehicle". In most states, this means heavily restricted use.
Hat sucks. I opened your video because I have been considering a Dynacorn body. Very well explained, thank you. Think I will stick with my older Corvettes. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Back to the hat....throw it into the trash bin ! Have a great day.
My brother has 67 fastback he’s interested in selling. Small block car. Has 428 with 2 Fours and super T10 four speed . Fresh engine and transmission. New full pans , Shelby glass hood and Deck lid , new.
I have a 66 coup got it in79 for 75 bucks 6 cyl 3 speed std been 4 speed 4 bolt wheels finding Meg wheels was impossible now it's 302 Force speed out of a 77 Granada
I think a coupe to fastback conversion is just as bad if not worse than a vin swap. I've been looking for a while and when I see one for sale I walk away. I also feel like the cons are a little over exaggerated. I don't have a skin in the game. I live in Nebraska and a kit car vin is easy and cheap. I would be very worried buying a converted car from out of state because every out of state car MUST be inspected and yikes if they catch it or care .... you are screwed.
in todays inflation, them prices really aint that bad for a brand new fb stang. and yall be sure and watch the video on the Taiwan company thats stamping these body and body parts, they are really trying to make quality stuff, it was impressive.
There are two other ways to go. The ultimate? A bespoke Revology '67 Fastback, everything absolutely brand new, better than original, stuuning, built the way you want...$325,000. OR...Buy the Dynacorn, call up Roaster shop and get a roller chassis, mate the two, do all of the other stuff, splurge on paint, put a crate engine and transmission, you're talking about $100 grand. And up. Not including labor.
You can still get a 67,68,69 for no more than $5,000 on market place. A conversion will save you more than just “a little” it will be significantly less expensive.
One thing to remember with Dynacorn bodies is you will either have to sand blast every bit of their shit ecoat, or sand it off but all of it has to come off. We got a Blazer body in and the steel was rusty under their ecoat. I called them to see what it was, and he had no idea. Not sure why they dont use epoxy, but yeah it was rusty everywhere once we stripped it.
Expensive, but mostly all new. If Ford was smart they would make them again like they use to .... I paid $3500.00 for my Fastback in 1990, California car it's entire life....
Until recently, I always preferred the fastback to the coupe. I'm not sure of "why" but I just liked it! On the other hand, the coupe has stunningly beautiful lines - the long hood, the short trunk section! The design was revolutionary when it came out! Nothing like it was ever seen before it's introduction!
We'll I just broke down and purchased one of these beauties! The coupe was my ultimate choice! It's a pleasure to drive,. The 289 is mechanical perfection!
Sometimes I'll pull up a chair, grab a beer, and sit in the garage in awe of this beauty! A Raven black, 1965 lovefest!
Thanks for your posts! I always look forward to watching them!
Sometimes ya just need to stare at a stang haha. Thanks!!!
Had a 66 coupe in night mist blue. Loved that car, then kids happened. 🤷🏼
Good to hear from people who work with this stuff everyday.
Hey thanks!
I have a 70 Mach 1 that I have owned since 1977… It has a 351c 4v ( 500hp), top loader and 4.30 nodular 9.75” ring gear rear. It is a louvre , rear spoiler and shaker scoop car. But… big but, the body shell is shot, having lived it’s life in New Jersey….
So I will be stepping up to a shell swap… this was a great vid. I will keep you guys in mind when the time comes.
Thanks for following along. Good luck with the 70!!
If you ever ditch that shell I'd like to use the body to make a mold so I can make an entire 1970 fastback mustang body out of fiberglass. where do you live?
Oh i loved the fastback my dad had a coupe my older brother had a fastback.
His buddy had and he bought it new a 67 shelby cobra.
A buddy of mine had the mac 1 that car was very fast
Me if i had the money would buy the shell add a modren v8 with fule injection and spark plug and coil sets electronic ing. Headers flared wheel wells and i would change the dash custom make adding a sound system carbon fiber door panels
Electric lock and windows 5 speed transmission independent rear suspension traction bars dule pipe
No back seat < sound system
Tablet stereo carbon fiber dash.
First place it go is the paint shop
3 coats of silver pearl 5 coats if uv clear.
Led headlights and tail lights
Id build my own wire harnesses.
Ad a turbo ac and intercooler
These ship on a jig doesn't need to be a roller. .
It is life in New Jersey? It is life. : {
@@zavatone will keep you in mind when time comes that I need to hire a typist…. :)
67 68 coupe prices are skyrocketing. The days of decent coupe's for $1500 are gone.
69 coupes are still relatively cheap, got one in September for $1000 with the title
As a former northerner, I was unaware there ever was a day you could buy a decent coupe for 1500
Amen. I can pick coupes up for 4-5k but hey that's the green trash can I talk about haha
i like the convertible 1966-70 ( 🤔68 in light bass-boat blue white pony deluxe or black interior, example at a car/cash-cruise-in show best one sofar ) more than the fastback or notch/coupe but add the extra top's/town-topper's fast + notched for weekend/winter/heavy-rainy/small-light-hale driving ( or 90+mph track-days ) and make it a BEV or hybrid + all-wheel-drive and tail-panel to change the style between base and full-loaded/Shelby and for easier airport experience etc
but it's the wife's 👰👰 ( and dad's/mom's side-parents are ford-fans ) tolerated pick, 🤚🤠🤚im a 60's/2-G charger hemi+Tr6060-etc owner and 80's k1500 😉
Got my 67 Coupe in 1978 in Ca. for $650. Still have it.
Small thing on the registering of them. If you use a Licensed Reproduction body, you will not have to resmgister it as a "kit car" if you do everything right, and have all your documentation and paperwork in order, the DMV will begin the process to issue a proper VIN matching the model year, vehicle type, and all other information. Thing is most people and most shops doing it screw up and file the wrong stuff with motor vehicle.
You can however easily find all the information on how to correctly complete the process in your state on the SEMA website.
There are obvious exceptions, with this however, such as vehicles that extremely differ from original production units, and vehicles that were originally produced in a certain fashion but have been chopped and modified to represnt another vehicle such as converting a coupe to a fastback, which most states will require a rebuild, salvage, or restomod title depending on the extent of work done and the states definition of each.
Great info thanks!
Thanks for sharing. New subscriber just came across your channel and because before being sent to Vietnam I owned a brand new 1968 Mustang fastback . Boy I only wish I still had it. Thanks for sharing and I will definitely follow the other videos. Artie 👍
Thanks for following along Artie!!!
thanks for taking the time man.. great information and totally makes sense... there are so many factors to take into consideration when doing this.. thanks again
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for following along
I'm here as one of the 42 people that watch the Unicorn Circuit!
😂 same
You guys are legends! Thanks so much. I was so pumped they opened that on air! I won't lie, I geeked a bit . Thanks again for the click! Cheers
I’m obsessed with doing a fb conversion on a 65 and have been following LSG for several weeks. When Moog lifted up that shirt I severely geeked out! Been a MCM fan over ten years now.
@@jiggyjc5587 Haha we all fuggin geeked out! I'm over here like a little school girl "hehehehehe". But seriously , thanks for following along with us!
This channel should have more subscribers - a lot more.
Thank you! That means alot!
Is there a follow up or second video on this? The measurements from dynacorn seem to vary.
Not yet, We will when we get one!
Having been in the business for years it's the same situation both ways. Taking an existing body which could have been put together wrong by Ford or repaired wrong some where along the way in the last 60 years vrs a brand new body that might be put together wrong I would put the odd basically the same. Also I have ordered brand new doors, quarters and fenders that have been off by as much as half an inch before. If you rush assembly you can get yourself into a terrible mess. I think your video was a fair representation and gives good information. Nice to see honest videos on youtube for a change.
Hey Jim, thanks for the input and for following along! I really agree with you. Brand new or old, either way you'll probably have to kick the crap outta it!
Great information and video, I have heard that new Dynacorn bodies have problems with the gaps on the doors and fenders, I'd like to see your followup video on you building a complete Dynacorn shell.
Def will when it comes in
I know a guy planning on getting one of these. He has a car his dad bought new. And its rusted out beyond repair. He's basically ordering the shell and going to put his Vin plates on it.
And I think this is a valid option for people that have a car that they bought and discovered that the dynacorn shell will be a cheaper build than the car they currently have.
And honestly it's no different than someone pulling a car out of a field and replacing pretty much every panel and calling it the same car that rolled off the line in 66.
100% agree with you. It definitely is a good option in some scenarios
@@lostsocketgarageits just another tool in the toolbox. There are a lot of people running them down because people are using them and tagging old Vin plates on them.
I'm kicking around one to build as probably a kit car and doing a restomod on it in some ways so people dont bitch and moan about be cutting up a vintage car. But I'm thinking an AWD edge donor and run from there.
Very good information for those that are considering a coupe to fastback conversion . A lot of little ( stuff ? )cost that usually not thought about .
Always the little stuff
I came here after the shirts turned up on Mighty Car Mods, as an Aussie gunna give your channel a tick.
You are a legend! i geeked out a bit i'll be honest. Those guys are just the best. Thanks for the click! Cheers
Just finishing up my 1968 Ford Mustang coupe-to-fastback project now. The bodywork is all done just finishing up the suspension, glass, doors, paint and brakes. Wiring, motor and transmission up next. BTW mine is a Shelby GT-500 tribute, yes, even more money to accomplish $$$$$. Hey - maybe you can address the various body carts and rotisseries available for this type of project. I had the Mustang Twirler cost about $400 I think that I got from the coupes previous owner. Love to see the various solutions out there for getting a project done. Cheers! (Maybe I'll make a 3 minute video when I'm all DONE!) INITIAL Car price w/floors and extra Sheet metal - $2200, FB body kits pieces $6000, Shelby kit pieces $6000, Legendary Tires/Wheels 17/245/45 $2000, Big Brakes D/D $4000, Engine rebuild $5000, Trans rebuild $1500, Currie 9 inch/31 spline/posi rear (new) $2500, Suspension/Steering $3000, Wiring $1000, Gauges $1000, Fuel tank $200, 8-pt Roll Cage $500, Interior $5000, TCP frame kit $500, Exhaust $1000, MISC parts $5000, Transportation $3500 (long distance/3 trips across CA) Paint $5000+ (Maybe $10K) BTW I got a real 428 FE/ C-block for $500, C6AE-R heads $500, and a 31 Spline BBF C/R Toploader for $1200! 🙂
Sounds like an amazing build. SEND THE VID!!!! haha. Also maybe I will look into a vid on carts, thanks for the suggestion
I've had bad luck in the past with after market part's not being up to original build standards. Mainly truck parts. Doors and tailgates that would start coming apart at the welds, thinner sheet metal, fitment issues. My question is how's the quality of these parts overall? I have access to two original and complete fastbacks that were totaled way back in the day that I've been thinking about rebuilding with these panels. Although they've been stored inside for over 40 years the bodies are unrepairable.
Their repop stuff is good... comparatively . Every panel I've ever used, we have had to kick around a bit for fitment. however I would say for mustangs, Dynacorn is the best available.
@@lostsocketgarage Thanks for the info
Out of curiosity, have you ever been asked to do a convertible to fastback conversion? If so, did you do it? And if you did, what kind of stuff did you run into that was different?
There used to be a hardtop you could buy that would snap in place to make them fastback looking
There are still some floating around, I think they are awesome
I've been asked about this actually. Haven't done one yet (mostly because converts are still fetching fairly good dough) . However theoretically it'd be a great candidate due to the extra structural support built into the convertible.
Good idea though most tent Mustangs are rusted out. Had one here recently and it looked ok,, but look underneath and it was rusty and poorly patched. Personally I never want a car without a roof. Though a good one is worth insane money because many think they are 'cool' Cold in winter and sunburn in summer!
@@lostsocketgarage The extra support was what I was wondering about, but as ldnwholesale8552 mentioned, most of them in "project car" condition (at least here in Indiana) are probably too rusted out for the extra support to matter.
Good video-appreciate the details on the budget. I’d definitely like to see you guys build a car from. Dynacorn shell and then do an update about what it really costs.
Also-your sign off “don’t be a ****” has been my family motto for decades. My personalized plate is DBAD.
Hey Thanks. I think we are getting a 69 shell soon, so I can do an update. haha right on! Seems like a simple concept, but so many people can't grasp it. AMAZING plate haha
Love the Lost socket garage logo put the 10mm socket that's the one that always gets lost
Haha thanks. Since we work on classics, it's more of the 1/2 now though haha
The biggest plus that I see after doing cars for many decades is rust, that one hidden bit usually is a heart breaker when it shows up after the build unless you are getting your body dipped to remove hidden rustickles and then treat it correctly then your rolling the dice
Agreed, the body is the way to go to make sure every bit is new
I always liked the coupe better in the first gen.
IIs and Fox bodies, the fastback justifies itself with that hatch, although that doesn't matter as much with a hobby car it's a must for a daily.
I do have a small soft spot for Foxes
I don't like the look of the notch coupes or even the convertible. Fastbacks and hatches all the way!
Is Dynacorn the only manufacturer of new body shells?
As far as I know yes
I thought the idea for Dynacorn bodies was to get a roach coupe and use the vin plates and whatever parts you can salvage?
Yeah vin swapping is not legal. It's a very very questionable practice at best. While I do think in a lot of scenarios it totally makes sense to do it, people can get outta hand with it quickly. Hence the law. Does it make sense to just buy a body and vin swap if you are going to have to replace 98% of the donor anyways... yeah of course it does, but is it still illegal... very.
@@lostsocketgarage thanks for the info. I thought they were Ford licensed products, so that gave them a replacement part status. I’m originally from the rusty North and have gotten tired of replacing floors, quarters, rockers, etc.
Yeah honestly its a good question. I believe they are licensed but I do not believe that means its ok to move the vin to a different car. I mean I'm with ya, you should be able to, but that opens the door for the shiesters ya know?
How much more for suspension and brakes made in the past twenty years?
Really depends on what you want. 2-10k is a solid range haha
Where and how do you get a vin or title for the new bodies?
They usually come with a title but you have to apply for a VIN. Classic industries sells them too and they're supplied with an Oklahoma state title.
Great info!
Depends on the state. I would contact your DMV
Dynacorn talks about it on their site.
Maybe I missed it, but it looked like you were comparing having NO donor to having to do a conversion. In which case, I didn't see you mention a hood and fenders. Maybe I missed something but it always looks like the Dynacorn stuff doesn't include the front of the car. Am I right?
I probably lowballed it a bit tbh, but I do cover a bit of that in the video. Yeah, they only come with like a decklid and doors.
So just curious about body panels . Why not rig weld body panels instead of not welding them together is it just preferences ? Or cost of machine
Not sure what you mean
Sorry auto correct meant to say why not use a tig welder and spot weld them instead of cutting holes and then welding them with mig wire weld
I gotta say the dynacorn shell would be the way to go if you wanted to build a 1969 boss 429 that you weren’t afraid to drive. Give me the John Wick paint job and the XAB-411 jersey plate and I’m ok with the price. Plus you can throw on a modern AC unit and have a rare one off super cruiser boss 429 with modern additions like a modern 6 speed manual transmission and be able to run a 3:90 rear end. Modern brakes and suspension would make a civilized big block mustang that people would be flabbergasted that you actually drove.
Sounds like a great build!
still to nose 👃heavy for me, wife's not getting that/v8's ally or iron combos out of me/my-sweat equity as i see a all wheel drive BEV more balanced or iron-boxer-6 or ally-v6 or ally-I6 + 10R80 ( my 2c add the hybrid option to transmission also ) as a better experience but that's my 2c as a 440/hemi+stick/7-speed dodge B-body platform guy, aka bullit-move the charger's got more game 😉
as for the general ideology of driver's experience with repoped rare-classics 👍 as phone-poles/hard-drive's aren't as much to worry about
You can use custom mounts and 50/50 the drive train if you are so inclined. I really don't think running that kind of horsepower is a good idea or responsible for the street. People can get killed. It's a loaded weapon. 😊@richardprice5978
No.
Currently working on a 68 firebird convertible with dynacorn body. It sucks nothing is exactly right and if you push on the a pillar you can bend it forward and back by hand. So much so the windshield wouldn’t go in. We grabbed it by hand and were able to pull the a pillars forward. Body shop called them to see if this was normal and the guy said “ WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OT WAS MADE IN TAIWAN” ……..
ha thats damn nuts. I mean the bodies are assembled here. The metal though.... not so much haha
@@lostsocketgarage i’m doing the Upholstery on the car so I’m repeating what the painter told me. I did see the a pillar issue though as it was an issue adjusting the frame of the convertible top to fit correctly. It’s actually a little more disappointing to find out. There are assembled here. I would’ve thought with that being the case they would take more time to locate the brackets and things better.
Being in the body die trade since 1978 and knowing the cost of a line of dies the price they charge for repo panels there has to be short cuts made to stamp out the metal hence why I've seen the issues from one car to another say on front or rear glass fitting and moldings fitting. To do dies properly and keep quality control on such a limited run the panels would probably be over 5K each for just a rear quarter.
You're 100% right. It's a tough situation when you are working with a limited run.
If it’s a Kit car does it have to pass smog?
Depends on the state. Best to check local dmv laws
Do you know what the word "Essentially" means?
Sure
And to think how many old classics I've owned, I got dirt cheap, sold after losing interest in, could be worth a mint now days haha.....Especially, the '67 fastback I got for $500 in the '90s, working at a Ford dealer. Owners son bought it for $1000, never paid 2nd $500, so owner wanted the car or money. Service manager asked me if I wanted it? HELL YEAH ! bought it on the spot lol Was only missing the engine and trans,and few other small bits n pieces....It even had factory PS and AC even, clean interior, no rust. I ended up selling it to some high school kid for $750 bout a year later. He did what I shoul'da just done, and slap a junk yard engine trans in it and drive it lol......1 year later, I seen the kid running around town driving it (Arizona)
Those are always the ones that sting
Is anyone making 1970 cudas bodies?
Honestly IDK. I know dynacorn doesn't
@@lostsocketgarage thanks for the reply.
Hi I bought the first Dynacorn fastback imported into Canada in 2007. It was used to build a Elenore style restomod. I used a 67 as a donor. We did a Shelby kit and used Ford certified front fenders. There was extensive work needed to get stuff to fit. The glass was a nightmare. Gaps were as bad as factory and barely acceptable. Door guts were way off. I think starting with a real car like you do is way better. On the upside I build a killer workbench out of the crate square tubing.
That's the feedback I have gotten too. Haha way to make lemonade!!!
Dynacorn needs to make Fox era Mustang bodies next...
Nah.....junk
Like any company Dynacorn will address a need/want. If they think they can sell them they will build them. Personally I don't think they will ever make those because people are not willing to pay that price for those cars.
There are still ALOT of very well priced foxes out there though
LOL. You're on crack.
@@robert5 When drag racers will finish destroying the last one , they will make them .
finished up a 67 FB last year tons of fab work to even get factory cars to fit started off with a car that was from new Mexico and off the road since 1977 till last year ya don't find that often in Michigan. we reworked everything and lots of one off parts now its a retro stang with 289 turbo and 5 speed ruby red with black accents. crappy part is when ya try to insure them they wanted an agreed value in the 6 figures. But the building was a lot of fun and the history of the cars, this was possibly a playboy pink car but dunno all we know is pink was the first color and found everywhere. on to the next one witch is even more weird grafted a 93 fox body floor and firewall forward to a 67 coupe gotta be different LOL
haha sounds like an awesome build
So the big question is how much for labor??
For a shell to turn into a completed FB? I mean All the math Im doing is if you are doing the work yourself. There is quite a bit of labor that goes into it.
@@lostsocketgaragehow much?
The hat looks goofy. LOL I get the snap on story though. Be easy on me, I'm 72. 8) I have several trailers, pickup not a factor. I could build a "rotisserie" for it in an afternoon w/friends and a case of beer. 8) I wonder if that body could be crafted to a Factory Five Pt_1 hot rod kit? That would be very cool, and solve a lot of problems!! I also never heard of 'Dynacorn'! I'm really curious, a late 60's Camaro is something I could get super excited about!!! Thanks much, great video!! --gary
Not sure on the Factory 5 kit. And labor paid by beer is the best.
It would be great to see Dynacorn produce the XB series Falcon 2door coupe (madmax coupe) shell, surely their would be a market.
True, though its hard for them to keep ip with what they already sell haha.
Absolutely loved the video
Hey thanks buddy!
Wow! I didn't think of house delivery, and because i live in a Slope home, drive has a 3.5 foot incline with 10 x 10 foot flat patch with 1.5 degree decline away from home to keep Rain water or Flooding.. Great Share I may not be able to do the DynoCorn Immediately after all.
I had bought a 2022 Roush with the Tremec 6 Speed Manual Transmission, and MagneRide Suspension, with the Intercooled Limited Slip Torsen Rear Differential. The Same as the GT500.
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Yeah, I honestly didn't think about it until I was looking at shipping. Stuff easy to get delivered to a shop. House on a slope.... not so much
Where is the stuff made?
Overseas somewhere.
5k for engine, trans, fuel system, and exhaust system? Also no source wheels and tires.
Yeah I low balled I know.
Good info on the numbers $$$
Ya i have $300. T-shirts too.
Got to have the swag
I mean Im sure rich people pay 300 for hats all the time.... So technically we are getting the better deal. Tools annnnnd hats
... did I miss something, or you didn't include fenders/hood? PS: Why am I just finding you guys now,,, (someone else has the car)
Kinda included it in Misc, but yeah I probably low balled it a bit.
It seems like just building the full thing with a donor VIN number would make the most sense. You have a full new car, upgrade as you see fit. Then there is no guilt of messing up an original car, when that car doesn't really exist anymore.
Just gotta dance around the VIN stuff
Just saw yall on unicorn circuit, congrats.
Dude!!! I'm geeking out right now! These guys had a huge impact on this shop. Thanks for letting me know!!!! ✌️ chopped baby!
Best way to go just by the Dyna con shell and just transfer the running gear from the Old rust bucket and just by a rust bucket and have as a donor car
Thanks for the information, but most shops will kill you in labor for a conversion. Where I am at they want 20K for a conversion and to fix small floor pan rust, the rest is straight and no rust.
Yeeeeeah, we are alot less than that haha.
@@lostsocketgarageEver come across a Raodster shop chassis mated with a Dynacorn body? Would that work? Several folks have done it, but it's not a simple bolt-on project.
@@lostsocketgarage what am I looking at to convert a 1965 coupe?
Try buying the parts from Golden Star, they fit a lot better. We buy all our 66-77 Bronco parts from them.
Problem is, now we know how to make DC stuff fit. Scared for another learning curve if we switch haha
@@lostsocketgarage You will have a shorter learning curve 😏
Okay, so this tells me to just completely repair my 69 Fastback and not worry with anything else. However I do have a really nice 289 hi-po I really need to get put into a 67 Fastback smdh i soo should have bought the 67 fb shell 20 years ago for $300 who knew what the future held these days its all too damn expensive!
The what ifs will kill ya man. Talk to guys all the time that had shelbys and s codes they sold for 4500 bones years ago
How much is the cost of storage over 20 years. Just saying... A guy that save 98 gt after I crashed it. Finally finished 20 years after. Kids n life bro
Awesome job
Appreciate it! Glad you liked it!
the glass pricing could be inaccurate if you're still obviously using an existing vehicle to borrow the vin from as well as other various parts
All the numbers are ballparks. Glass could go down or up depending on what ya got
They don’t sell individual - looks good but… I’ve built a whole 68 ground up on and existing body - coat not effective
The Bodies they do I believe. Its a separate company from Dynacorn that does the bodies. Think it's still owned by them though
The biggest issue with building a basically "new car" no numbers no title is in most states they must be built to current standards so using an era correct engine will not pass emissions for a new car, i feel like those bodies are best suited for someone who has a rusty relic they're trying to make new again where you have all the tags, vin number and a past history of registration, you could avoid tons of regulations and red tape just restoring a car than trying to build a new replica, but its your money
There is definitely a few situations where the new body is a smart play. Its really very situational in my opinion. Thats why I try to present it in that way. I definitely agree with you though. Thanks for following along!!!
I got a dynacorn Camaro body in my shop. It’s was twisted. Firewall was off angle and would not mount to subframe, and there is a full list of other crap.
I have seen the tri five made bodies utilizing golden star, it was horrible.
The problem is people that put them together, if you add up the parts by themselves, and compare it to a put together body, there is not a lot of room to do it right. Yes they use jigs, but jigging up roughly stamped panels doesn’t equal quality.
I don’t specialize in one car, I specialize in sheet metal shaping, design and making bodies. I do take on builds but will not take one a prefabbed body anymore without an up charge. The amount of time fixing, going over schematics to correct the several prefabbed bodies is crazy.
It's alot. The Side assembly I showed in the video...its off too
We did a 69 shell for a customer and we had an additional 50 hours in setting the gaps, so that’s another thing to consider.
Yeah, I'm not terribly looking forward to it
Interesting discussion. Lots of ship of Theseus vibes surrounding this and these kinds of builds. Their is one kid on YT rebuilding a '68 charger and has to replace probably 85% of the sheet metal.
True, never thought of it that way tbh. In this scenario I think the ship is more of an feeling that the car gives you vs. the actual car itself. Eye of the beholder type stuff. Solid reference though
I want to put a coyote in one of these make it a race car. I just saw a few old stangs on copart probably a great way to get the vin. 🤔
Could be a solid option. get that donor!
Great intro bro.
Haha thanks man!
This seems like a Ford only website, but i think the Camaro convertible would be a more economical option due to the junk yard front clip powertrain availability and less glass requirement. To me, an interior is a luxury less the dashboard and seats, and even the dashboard could be as simple as a guage cluster until you can source one.
I do love me a Camaro convertible
Can't tell you how many $500 coupes I purchased in the 1970's. I paid $1,500 for a fair FB (C-code) in 1992.
Yup now they are 20k for a bucket
Should make it a kit all set up for an LS Chevy wiring harness and all
That'd be nice
Great video
Thanks so Much!!!!!!
I'm glad you made this video... because I've heard it both ways... "they're cheap 💩 made from 💩 forms", and "their fit and finish is better than '60s FoMoCo".
To be fair, both of those can be true at the same time.
Honestly, their panels are very good... COMPARITIVELY . The bar is fairly low haha
Great video thank you Great advice.
Glad it was helpful!
I believe that the repro bodies are a life saver for convertible owners that dont have the skills to do structural work.
Very fair point
But my 68 Fastback CJ was eaten up no troque boxes left
Sorry for your loss?
Worst thing, is most state definitions of the finished car. Even if it's a replica or "continuation" car... it falls under "specially constructed vehicle". In most states, this means heavily restricted use.
This is true. In Utah, you can register it as a "classic vehicle" but it has mileage restictions
I wish they made coup bodies!
Coupes right now are generally cheap enough to grab and fix for less
Talking 67 or 68 not a fan of 66 or earlier mustangs that might be affordable.
Cool i am building a 69 shelby body shell from scratch
Awesome!
Hat sucks. I opened your video because I have been considering a Dynacorn body. Very well explained, thank you. Think I will stick with my older Corvettes. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Back to the hat....throw it into the trash bin ! Have a great day.
Hey, gotta get some use outta the "free" stuff from snap on haha
My brother has 67 fastback he’s interested in selling. Small block car. Has 428 with 2 Fours and super T10 four speed . Fresh engine and transmission. New full pans , Shelby glass hood and Deck lid , new.
There are some really good nationwide Classic mustang groups on FB. Bet it would move quick on there!
I would love a dynacorn 69 camaro body
Well I have used some Dynacorn repop 69 Camaro stuff before.... It fits kinda ....well lets just say their Ford stuff is much better
Very real dude
Thanks!
I have a 66 coup got it in79 for 75 bucks 6 cyl 3 speed std been 4 speed 4 bolt wheels finding Meg wheels was impossible now it's 302 Force speed out of a 77 Granada
Awesome!!!
Good advice
Glad you liked it
need to add front suspension hood front fender tires rims and shocks
Yup, Actually forgot to add wheels and tires to it haha.
I think a coupe to fastback conversion is just as bad if not worse than a vin swap. I've been looking for a while and when I see one for sale I walk away. I also feel like the cons are a little over exaggerated. I don't have a skin in the game. I live in Nebraska and a kit car vin is easy and cheap. I would be very worried buying a converted car from out of state because every out of state car MUST be inspected and yikes if they catch it or care .... you are screwed.
Sometimes it can be a crap shoot if you don't know what to look for.
Thank you for that. For now Dynacorn does not make anything I want full shell wise. Maybe someday.
Mr GT in Tiawan makes lots of different bodies,, you tube has videos of his company,,,,
Dont blame you
Ill have to check him out
in todays inflation, them prices really aint that bad for a brand new fb stang. and yall be sure and watch the video on the Taiwan company thats stamping these body and body parts, they are really trying to make quality stuff, it was impressive.
Ill have to check it out
What Taiwan company?
@@TeddyRumble CHL auto parts
The snap on tax is very real lol
Amen 🙏
I like coupes and fast backs
love em all
17k for a shell in todays market isnt bad. Especially a 67/68 fastback
Amen to that
If they were economic to do you’d see a high uptick of them flooding the market. They’re almost 10k off what most would pay for that.
Why not order a fastback mustang from dynacorn
That's what the video is about
@@lostsocketgarage okay 👍
Honestly, I would drop the 18-20g for a shell IF I knew it was built / measured correct!
Thats the big If sadly
Dynacorn kit car would probably require a smog certificate for dmv. Idk
Depending on the state, yeah
Door glass is different, coupe to fastback.
Yes it is
Like the hat
There are two other ways to go. The ultimate? A bespoke Revology '67 Fastback, everything absolutely brand new, better than original, stuuning, built the way you want...$325,000.
OR...Buy the Dynacorn, call up Roaster shop and get a roller chassis, mate the two, do all of the other stuff, splurge on paint, put a crate engine and transmission, you're talking about $100 grand. And up. Not including labor.
Yeah definitely good options if ya have the scratch
@@lostsocketgarage $100k is in my price range. $325,000 is not.
Should have been an electrician.
Well you can build a damn nice car for 100k though
Dynacorn: Make mine 11ga stainless,thanks
Haha good luck!
You can still get a 67,68,69 for no more than $5,000 on market place. A conversion will save you more than just “a little” it will be significantly less expensive.
Send those to me cause I never see em haha
Me either. They are all too far gone or someone used the title as bird cage liner.
One thing to remember with Dynacorn bodies is you will either have to sand blast every bit of their shit ecoat, or sand it off but all of it has to come off. We got a Blazer body in and the steel was rusty under their ecoat. I called them to see what it was, and he had no idea. Not sure why they dont use epoxy, but yeah it was rusty everywhere once we stripped it.
Yeah that weld through primer crap has to come off
You want one project? I got 5. Various stages, from not running, to no floor boards, to running...ish LOL
haha we have a few too, but if you are giving em away?...haha
I hate that they only make the mustang while they make 5 chevy models. :(
Demand I guess is the big thing here
Expensive, but mostly all new. If Ford was smart they would make them again like they use to .... I paid $3500.00 for my Fastback in 1990, California car it's entire life....
Damn thats a good deal! I wish Ford was smart enough to repop them
I'll give you $3,600
😅
Do yourself a favor and buy the new body! I sunk $48K into my coupe to have results I'm not happy with. Lesson learned.
Damn, sorry to hear that
Dang dude...sucks 😞
Couldn't you have just bought a fast back for that much?
@@jockihm831 Hindsight... 20/20