Please learn more about compressed gas safety and the content of your wood gas. It would be terrible if you were hurt in an explosion. Air or oxygen in your pressure tanks can react explosively with your gas if above the L.E.L (lower explosive level) or below the U.E.L (upper explosive level) mix ratios. A major component of your wood gas is carbon monoxide which will yield hydrogen from the water shift chemical reaction if enough water is in contact with the CO gas. Carbon monoxide will "soot out" if you try to store it at high pressure, that is reduce to CO2 and carbon dust in the pressure tank. You can compress the hydrogen (and methane if any) at very high pressures but you will need a special compressor and tanks that are safe to 3,000 psi or more. Do not expect it to be liquified with affordable equipment. It will require substantial energy for the compression process. Wood gas can contain a number of compounds that might be converted to useful products using processes similar to those used in the petroleum industry. Best wishes, Mike (prepper and retired engineer in West Tennessee)
Here in central Iowa propane prices just jumped to $5/gallon. Normally in summer cheaper gas refill is about $1.31/gallon minimum purchase 300 gallons cost about $393 last year A minimum delivery of 300 gallons at $2.29/gal was $627 two weeks ago now at $5/gal it is $1500 give or take This really looks like a viable alternative. One could run an electric power generator with backup batteries to run the house, and the gas furnace. Fairly easy to change over from propane, a heavy gas, to natural, a light gas, pressures and orifices. Keep up the good work! We're ALL in this together...
I honestly feel this is could be great use for storm clean ups being as much as 80% of debris from homes after a disaster is wood - If several LARGE trucks or a convoy could be brought in to process all storm wastes lets say like after Katrina and immediately start bottling the gas and tar I know it would save millions on cleanups and also be better for the environment compared to landfills. Why nobody is aggressively studying this potential is something I don't understand. Unless its simply the Oil Lobbyists keeping it unsupported
All the negative comments aside...there is no reason we can't make reasonably productive and safe gasifiers...that are stationary and drive our cars just as if we had done a propane conversion. Run the compressor from an elec. generator running on the stuff. It is safer and one can spend slow weeks/months to build up a nice supply of home made propane (for lack of a better term) and not be so noticable for that time when the cops come around wanting to charge you mileage for not paying gasoline tax. Most states are working up the laws now. Most of all, we can take junk wood and do this. So you negative Nelly's can just yell safety all you like but one step at a time - this kind of this will become the future or we are sunk. For electricity is overprices - just like any energy. We shade tree mechanics will be very useful people....very soon!
to ease your worriesi might add in that hydrogen embrittlement happens when metal is able to absorb hydrogen (this happens at about 900 celcius) and then once it is cool it cannot absorb the hydrogen, thus the trapped hydrogen inside embrittles it. however since the tank is not up at those temperatures it could never absorb the hydrogen to embrittle it, thus this is not an issue. the CO in that gas wont be stored thouhg, it will react with the methane greetings from a swedish engineer.
kick ass. that thing will pay for its self in no time. A tank right now is about 20 bucks to refill and you can use it to power your stove top in your kitchen or grill outside. Even heat with it I bet.
God bless you too! Great demonstration. A potential consideration, might be a flash back suppressor like on a cutting torch. Couple of questions: You were powering the HF compressor with electricity. If the compressor was converted to wood gas to eleminate electrical cost,do you believe there would reasonable net gain?...at a lower rate, since you are consuming product as you are creating it? Assuming you were working for a "gas company" making somewhere around $30/ hr what would you guess the cost of the useable gas would compare to propane purchased at a retail propane co? (we buy it bulk in the summer months for approx $1.50/gal up to $1.80) ...I realize that is not really a fair question, but I am curious as to the extended effort to convert wood to gas, is it competetive? Also, don't let negative comments from keyboard sit-on-their-butts-and-criticise wannabees bother you, keep progressing with your research, Thanks again for sharing.
Just wondering if it would be safer run a vacuum pump in the compress tank and propane tank to remove any oxygen in the tanks, making the wood gas less volatile. Any inputs?
I wonder if capturing the syngas in a intermediate storage container (air-mattress) and then compressing into tank would be a good route. I would imagine could better control the amount of air being introduced if you knew you were pumping straight syngas.
Great set-up. Is there not a danger of the gas "dieseling" /ingiting in the compressor? There is some oxygen in the gas coming out of the gasifier or no? Subscribed.
Great setup! It seems like all I see are vehicle with gasifiers built onto them, but with a way to compress the biogas the applications would be endless. Your generator is great, I love the condenser setup. I imagine that cleans the gas up nicely, pretty tar free?
I hope you do liquify the methane in the wood gas it has a boiling point of -164 Celsius so you would have to pressurize it alot to turn it to liquid or cool it alot at 257 psi propane is a liquid up to 130 Degrees Fahrenheit an it has a boiling point of -42 Degrees Celsius
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I thought, for a moment, that you'd condense the gas and store it as a liquid... If the resulted gas is clean and oxygen-free enough it would be doable.
Hey how long do those tanks last to run say that burner you showed? Is it comparable to using a propane tank? I suppose even if it lasts like 1/4 as long it still seems work it, for nearly free gas.
Could you attach a tank of this gas to a truck and run solely on it? A lot of factors to consider but I know some vehicles are now running on tanks of natural gas. Seems like it would work. Wondering what kind of mpg you would get.
i think that compress gas and air is not wise maybe pull a vacuum on the propane tank then suck the wood gas up.U would get less oxygen in the tank.Just an idea way to go!
All of you still don't have a full grasp of how this stuff works. If you were to watch more of the videos on the production of wood gas you would know that until the gas is metered out into an intake system where it is mixed with more raw air containing O2 it will not sustain burning. There is too much CO and CO2 still in it. Besides if the system is sealed and compressed which is little different than what happens in any petroleum refinery, how is it going to get ignited? There mus be a source of ignition and compressors don't provide that. More on the diesel part, the compression in a diesel engine is well over 400 psi and regular air compressors do not go over 180 at the higher ranges, mostly below 150 to 175 and the temperature is way below the point of igniting most anything other than Ether which will spontaniously ignite at around 4 to one ratio, and that will also only happen if there is the proper ratio of O2 to the fuel source which is not normally going to happen in these reactors unless there is a leak in the system and even if that were to happen the heat level in the reactor would rise to the point where the gasses would ignite and burn inside the chamber and all you would get would be spent exhaust fumes, no fuel. In other words , you would not get the desired product you were after.
This is dangerous and could explode. You are not certain of how much air is mixed with the producers gas. Explosion can occur if the producer gas is mixed with sufficient amount of air to form explosive mixture.
is it good? that's a supprise, Woodified Gas is a mixture of Carbon Monoxide methane and some hydrogen, How do you get around the indothermic reactions in your tanks? or do you not account for this lofty loss of energy? just wondering /engineer from sweden.
nice, you could use a more electric efficent compressor maybe, would also be quieter I think. Would a compressor from a refrigiator be to small? they can make quite high pressure but can not displace very high volume.
it doesn't combust without oxygen. and provided it's done right there should be none. safe? you're compressing flammable gas in your backyard.... what you need to know is the safe distance. I'd have flash back arrestor and vent valves EVERYWHERE. best a flaming tornado than an explosion. It would compress into liquid in the bottle. In fact if there was liquid gas at the bottom it would expand as it went into the bottle causing even more problems. In fact liquid would just be bad. it'd expand.
im curious if you modified a airconditioning unit to accept the wood gas if you might be able to get a more usuable ammount in the propane tank . the airconditioning unit will pull a vacuum on the tank before you try and put some in it so once you are ready to fill it it would pull some in before you do any compressing of it.
You need to open up a paypal page for donations so you can build bigger and better equipment that will be capable to liquifying the wood gas. Maybe apply for some "Green initiative" grants from the feds. Start advertising to the public that you have cheap fuel available for anybody with a gasoline engine.
Is it safe to use a normal Air compressor? What about the heat from the pump? Isn't there a danger of igniting the gas? I have been looking into CNG compressors, they have a different pump to avoid this. Also what's the difference between a 9Kg LPG BBQ bottle and a CNG bottle? How about if you tapped your output from the bottom (drain plug) of your air compressor? Could you possibly get a more liquified version of the compressed gas then? .-.-.
yes no carbon,is that really true? if so.that rihgt there is something pretty big right there . hmm,what else can we burn in there to make clean gas?i call for a Plastics and Styrofoam test and Tar.that would be great if you couldjust burn all of your trash and make stored gas. first test,DAILY JUNK MAIL..
since most of the gas is hydrogen, do you have a problem storing the gas for a long period of time? I have heard that since hydrogen molocules are so small, it is hard to contain. Thanks and great work!
helloSpencer Langston Just a warning that if oxygen got into your compressorlwhile its compressing thesyn gas you have a potential bomb.in the propane tank. Ihope to God you know what you are doing compressing syn gas. why compress the gas. Iuse the gas from my gasifier direct to run a generator..Icharge batteries which run my home.when solar energy is lowfrom the solar panels.the flame would go right backthe hoseinto the tank ifoxigen present (explosion) I believe.Keep the Faith JOHN MILLARD
Please learn more about compressed gas safety and the content of your wood gas.
It would be terrible if you were hurt in an explosion.
Air or oxygen in your pressure tanks can react explosively with your gas if above the L.E.L (lower explosive level) or below the U.E.L (upper explosive level) mix ratios.
A major component of your wood gas is carbon monoxide which will yield hydrogen from the water shift chemical reaction if enough water is in contact with the CO gas.
Carbon monoxide will "soot out" if you try to store it at high pressure, that is reduce to CO2 and carbon dust in the pressure tank.
You can compress the hydrogen (and methane if any) at very high pressures but you will need a special compressor and tanks that are safe to 3,000 psi or more.
Do not expect it to be liquified with affordable equipment.
It will require substantial energy for the compression process.
Wood gas can contain a number of compounds that might be converted to useful products using processes similar to those used in the petroleum industry.
Best wishes,
Mike (prepper and retired engineer in West Tennessee)
Here in central Iowa propane prices just jumped to $5/gallon. Normally in summer cheaper gas refill is about $1.31/gallon minimum purchase 300 gallons cost about $393 last year A minimum delivery of 300 gallons at $2.29/gal was $627 two weeks ago now at $5/gal it is $1500 give or take
This really looks like a viable alternative. One could run an electric power generator with backup batteries to run the house, and the gas furnace. Fairly easy to change over from propane, a heavy gas, to natural, a light gas, pressures and orifices.
Keep up the good work! We're ALL in this together...
I honestly feel this is could be great use for storm clean ups being as much as 80% of debris from homes after a disaster is wood - If several LARGE trucks or a convoy could be brought in to process all storm wastes lets say like after Katrina and immediately start bottling the gas and tar I know it would save millions on cleanups and also be better for the environment compared to landfills. Why nobody is aggressively studying this potential is something I don't understand. Unless its simply the Oil Lobbyists keeping it unsupported
Now you need to get that compressor and a chainsaw running on woodgas -- you'll have a closed loop.
All the negative comments aside...there is no reason we can't make reasonably productive and safe gasifiers...that are stationary and drive our cars just as if we had done a propane conversion. Run the compressor from an elec. generator running on the stuff. It is safer and one can spend slow weeks/months to build up a nice supply of home made propane (for lack of a better term) and not be so noticable for that time when the cops come around wanting to charge you mileage for not paying gasoline tax. Most states are working up the laws now. Most of all, we can take junk wood and do this. So you negative Nelly's can just yell safety all you like but one step at a time - this kind of this will become the future or we are sunk. For electricity is overprices - just like any energy. We shade tree mechanics will be very useful people....very soon!
to ease your worriesi might add in that hydrogen embrittlement happens when metal is able to absorb hydrogen (this happens at about 900 celcius) and then once it is cool it cannot absorb the hydrogen, thus the trapped hydrogen inside embrittles it. however since the tank is not up at those temperatures it could never absorb the hydrogen to embrittle it, thus this is not an issue.
the CO in that gas wont be stored thouhg, it will react with the methane
greetings from a swedish engineer.
kick ass. that thing will pay for its self in no time. A tank right now is about 20 bucks to refill and you can use it to power your stove top in your kitchen or grill outside. Even heat with it I bet.
very cool your the first one I have seen doing this.. great way to traspot or hold onto the gasses.
And "they" say that you can't do that! Ha! Great job!
Been looking for this "How To" everywhere! THX, SFC US Army Retired Iraq Vet. HOOAH!!
Pretty damn cool sir!! Wish your shop was closer!
God bless you too! Great demonstration. A potential consideration, might be a flash back suppressor like on a cutting torch. Couple of questions: You were powering the HF compressor with electricity. If the compressor was converted to wood gas to eleminate electrical cost,do you believe there would reasonable net gain?...at a lower rate, since you are consuming product as you are creating it? Assuming you were working for a "gas company" making somewhere around $30/ hr what would you guess the cost of the useable gas would compare to propane purchased at a retail propane co? (we buy it bulk in the summer months for approx $1.50/gal up to $1.80) ...I realize that is not really a fair question, but I am curious as to the extended effort to convert wood to gas, is it competetive? Also, don't let negative comments from keyboard sit-on-their-butts-and-criticise wannabees bother you, keep progressing with your research, Thanks again for sharing.
Get yourself a HASKEL Pump. A basic model wiIl compress the gas to 3000 psi, and it runs off of a compressor.
As long as there is no sufficient amount of oxidizers like O2 gas in the tank, it is only about as dangerous as compressed propane..
Just wondering if it would be safer run a vacuum pump in the compress tank and propane tank to remove any oxygen in the tanks, making the wood gas less volatile. Any inputs?
I wonder if capturing the syngas in a intermediate storage container (air-mattress) and then compressing into tank would be a good route. I would imagine could better control the amount of air being introduced if you knew you were pumping straight syngas.
A 6.5 HP motor for .5 hr @ 100 Psi 1 hr @ 200 Psi a motor uses a lot of gas. If you use a CNG tank @ 4000 Psi will give you 20 Hrs
how long does a 5 gallon tank of wood gas run your generator compared to 5 gallons of propane?
Yes
Most of the gas is Methane .It's very similar to natural gas .
The gas will say good. I have some still in tanks over 3 mouths and use it time to time it usually it's better because moisture will settle out.
Great set-up. Is there not a danger of the gas "dieseling" /ingiting in the compressor? There is some oxygen in the gas coming out of the gasifier or no? Subscribed.
Thanks! Scott i need some big tanks. i should have the 48volt video tomarrow.
Great setup! It seems like all I see are vehicle with gasifiers built onto them, but with a way to compress the biogas the applications would be endless. Your generator is great, I love the condenser setup. I imagine that cleans the gas up nicely, pretty tar free?
could you do a side by side test between propane & wood gas? I really like the idea,thanks
dangerous as f man..., i like you
Impressive set up!
I've alway thought it would work that's the real thing thanks Paul uk
I hope you do liquify the methane in the wood gas it has a boiling point of -164 Celsius so you would have to pressurize it alot to turn it to liquid or cool it alot at 257 psi propane is a liquid up to 130 Degrees Fahrenheit an it has a boiling point of -42 Degrees Celsius
I thought, for a moment, that you'd condense the gas and store it as a liquid...
If the resulted gas is clean and oxygen-free enough it would be doable.
I'm working on modifying a CMG system to work on a car or truck if you had a 500 gal LPG tank would work not sure how many miles you could get.
Hey how long do those tanks last to run say that burner you showed? Is it comparable to using a propane tank? I suppose even if it lasts like 1/4 as long it still seems work it, for nearly free gas.
Could you attach a tank of this gas to a truck and run solely on it? A lot of factors to consider but I know some vehicles are now running on tanks of natural gas. Seems like it would work. Wondering what kind of mpg you would get.
if you can somehow cool down the tanks you would be able to fill them alot faster
i think that compress gas and air is not wise maybe pull a vacuum on the propane tank then suck the wood gas up.U would get less oxygen in the tank.Just an idea way to go!
I was thinking that myself, also is there certain compression where the wood gas could diesel?
All of you still don't have a full grasp of how this stuff works. If you were to watch more of the videos on the production of wood gas you would know that until the gas is metered out into an intake system where it is mixed with more raw air containing O2 it will not sustain burning. There is too much CO and CO2 still in it. Besides if the system is sealed and compressed which is little different than what happens in any petroleum refinery, how is it going to get ignited? There mus be a source of ignition and compressors don't provide that. More on the diesel part, the compression in a diesel engine is well over 400 psi and regular air compressors do not go over 180 at the higher ranges, mostly below 150 to 175 and the temperature is way below the point of igniting most anything other than Ether which will spontaniously ignite at around 4 to one ratio, and that will also only happen if there is the proper ratio of O2 to the fuel source which is not normally going to happen in these reactors unless there is a leak in the system and even if that were to happen the heat level in the reactor would rise to the point where the gasses would ignite and burn inside the chamber and all you would get would be spent exhaust fumes, no fuel. In other words , you would not get the desired product you were after.
dose the wood gas rust the inside of the propane tank??
This is dangerous and could explode. You are not certain of how much air is mixed with the producers gas. Explosion can occur if the producer gas is mixed with sufficient amount of air to form explosive mixture.
Very common arrangement on cars in europe under the last war.
Had them in New Zealand too
is it good? that's a supprise, Woodified Gas is a mixture of Carbon Monoxide methane and some hydrogen, How do you get around the indothermic reactions in your tanks? or do you not account for this lofty loss of energy? just wondering /engineer from sweden.
nice, you could use a more electric efficent compressor maybe, would also be quieter I think.
Would a compressor from a refrigiator be to small? they can make quite high pressure but can not displace very high volume.
have u tried using cherry wood ? i wonder what it smells like
it doesn't combust without oxygen. and provided it's done right there should be none.
safe? you're compressing flammable gas in your backyard.... what you need to know is the safe distance.
I'd have flash back arrestor and vent valves EVERYWHERE. best a flaming tornado than an explosion.
It would compress into liquid in the bottle. In fact if there was liquid gas at the bottom it would expand as it went into the bottle causing even more problems. In fact liquid would just be bad. it'd expand.
Thanks man!
im curious if you modified a airconditioning unit to accept the wood gas if you might be able to get a more usuable ammount in the propane tank . the airconditioning unit will pull a vacuum on the tank before you try and put some in it so once you are ready to fill it it would pull some in before you do any compressing of it.
can one run the gag trough one of those compressors from a refrigirator? i have one of those with a tank it`s slow but it will go up to 15bar pressure
Awesome dude
You need to open up a paypal page for donations so you can build bigger and better equipment that will be capable to liquifying the wood gas. Maybe apply for some "Green initiative" grants from the feds. Start advertising to the public that you have cheap fuel available for anybody with a gasoline engine.
Is it safe to use a normal Air compressor? What about the heat from the pump? Isn't there a danger of igniting the gas? I have been looking into CNG compressors, they have a different pump to avoid this. Also what's the difference between a 9Kg LPG BBQ bottle and a CNG bottle? How about if you tapped your output from the bottom (drain plug) of your air compressor? Could you possibly get a more liquified version of the compressed gas then? .-.-.
Yes if you have a tank that will hold that psi.
this gas rusts metal pretty fast don't it?
Looking for a good low cost high psi compressor of R&D .
wondering if a propane tank or other tank could be enough to fuel a car to get to work and back or store and back.
Nice flame, no carbon yellow in it! :)
yes no carbon,is that really true? if so.that rihgt there is something pretty big right there . hmm,what else can we burn in there to make clean gas?i call for a Plastics and Styrofoam test and Tar.that would be great if you couldjust burn all of your trash and make stored gas. first test,DAILY JUNK MAIL..
how long will that big tang run an engine?
since most of the gas is hydrogen, do you have a problem storing the gas for a long period of time? I have heard that since hydrogen molocules are so small, it is hard to contain. Thanks and great work!
LPG tanks are only 200 PSI most CNG tanks are 4500 Psi
sounds dangerous, how much o2 makes it into the wood-gas, I am certain it isn't none
and you can compress your gas to 4000psi?
Hw long will the big tank run that burner
Where can you get CNG tanks? And where can you get a compressor that compress to 4500 Psi? tnx. (I am in Australia) .-.-.
i bet there is some oxygen in there somewhere. what about explosion at high pressure?
I will let you know soon. I have been busy .
helloSpencer Langston Just a warning that if oxygen got into your compressorlwhile its compressing thesyn gas you have a potential bomb.in the propane tank. Ihope to God you know what you are doing compressing syn gas. why compress the gas. Iuse the gas from my gasifier direct to run a generator..Icharge batteries which run my home.when solar energy is lowfrom the solar panels.the flame would go right backthe hoseinto the tank ifoxigen present (explosion) I believe.Keep the Faith JOHN MILLARD
Good info. just work on editing your videos a little more. cut out all the unnecessary footage.
what the fuck is this guy doing