Exactly, our universities in the UK output academics. The American dream means you're hardwired to be entrepreneurs, where we don't have anything like that in the UK anymore.
Not British or American, but I don't think British people don't have pride in being British, they're just not quite as sickeningly obnoxious about it as Americans, and some other countries. Also, I think you also have to account for the four individuals countries of the UK, which I guess for some may impact on their pride in being British or part of the UK, as they may feel English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish first. Just 2 cents from an outside observer.
Yep. I am proud to be English. and I would never call myself British under any circumstances, even if I was standing in a crowd of Yankees at Dodger stadium. (well, maybe I'd call myself British if I was an Olympian at the games, but I'd be wearing a George Cross flag rather than a Union flag)
It also depend on how we feel about the union and our own home country too. I see myself as English first however I put more importance on being British since I see the union as more important than England itself
Brit here (English, Welsh, Irish ancestry who married a Scot). Of course we're proud of we can do and have done - watch the Last Night of the Proms. But it is very much 'not done' to be loud about it. We have a lot of people, crammed in a small country - we have to learn to get along and not cause unnecessary offence.
The great Bob Monkhouse, a very accomplished comedian, had a gag. He said ‘I told my family that I was going to be a comedian and they laughed, well, they’re not laughing now”. Says it all, really….
Well that was bollocks, have you noticed that brits who love the US are always obsessed with money and talk crap about the uk some of the reasons that it's easier to be an entrepreneur in the US is workers have little to no rights and an attitude in the country that it doesn't matter who you trample on as long as you make it and God help you if you don't make it, the uk has way too much poverty and deprivation at the moment but it's nothing compared to what it's like in america, also whilst I'm on a rant if we're so scared to try anything why are there so many British actors and musicians and the thing about stand ups there's thousands of stand up comedians there just not big in the US
They are probably comparing Wigan, Carlisle, etc. with NY and LA. The USA has its small towns too. They are just spewing stereotypes. As a viewer, this was the most infuriating reaction ever.
And a very blinkered view. They measure ONLY entrepreneurs. We produce more writers, actors, academics, engineers etc etc etc.. In terms of innovation they just need to look at patents on a per capita basis.
If Americans think a posh British accent sounds more intelligent and aristocratic. I would love to know what you think of regional British accents. I speak with a West Country accent, does that make me sound less intelligent? I don't think taking the piss out of your friends is just a Northern thing, it happens all over, it's done with love and you know your accepted as one of the group. There's loads of England flags around at the moment, but that's because England football team is playing in the Euro's 😄
I think the difference between the amount of people starting businesses out of American and British Universities is down to two particular factors. Firstly, Americans see being an entrepreneur as being something special, that is not the case in the UK. It's like 'you started a business, so what?' Everyone who delivers for Amazon is technically running their own business along with the majority of plumbers, painters and other such construction industry tradesmen. The second factor is that these UK universities, especially Cambridge and Oxford, are focussed primarily on more scholarly subjects like the sciences and humanities rather than the likes of business and IT.
When will people get that there is NOT one " BRITISH" accent !!?? We have SCOTTISH, ENGLISH, IRISH and WELSH accents ! They are ALL British ! Each accent then has it's own dialects that can change very 10 miles or so! In the 12 century, on the battlefield, English soldiers would carry flags with 3 gold lions on them on a red background. The 3 lions badge grew from the union of the royal families' use of the lion symbol. There is no such thing as a British National football team ! Each country has it's own national team. There IS a British Lions rugby team though.
11:29 The British have pride in their nation (possibly too much, which led to Brexit, which was definitely the UK shooting itself in the foot). We just don't feel the need to display flags to remind ourselves which nation we are in!
These two guys made the occasional decent point, but overall they they were talking mostly in false stereotypes. For a start there is no such thing as a "British" football team except at the Olympics (and there they use the Union Flag as their symbol). It's the England team that uses three lions, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own completely separate football associations and national teams with their own symbols. The Scottish national team for instance uses the Lion Rampant as our symbol. Also as far as the assumed lack of national pride in Britain, here in Scotland we certainly have more national pride that most countries, as do the Welsh and Irish. And if you want to see English national pride, you just have to have a look at how all the St. George's crosses suddenly appear everywhere in England if their taking part in a major international football competition. You were spot on about why British universities produce less entrepreneurs btw. It has less to do with educational standards and more to do with the fact that the US has a much more capitalist orientated culture. British Universities in my experience tend to emphasise science or arts education, for instance, rather than business.
We 🏴 wouldn't want to use it to be fair just cos it's not Welsh. Our flag is everywhere. Most of us can't understand why people complain when you fly the 🏴 or the three lions. They're your national symbols.
Universities in the UK do not see their purpose as being to create entrepreneurs! They see their purpose as being to educate people - that’s it. So to compare universities based on the number of entrepreneurs they create seems totally pointless.
When I visit the US, I often find it hard to understand what they are saying when having a conversation face to face. I have to listen really carefully. Yet on TV, It’s easy to understand what they are saying, and I’m always pulled up on speaking quietly, but my volume is pretty standard when in the UK. People from the US def project their voice with more volume as a norm.
Imagine going to the internet to find out if you should believe someone or not, rather than listening to what someone has to say and making up your own mind. You were literally looking to be told what you should think about somebody before you've even heard them speak. That's crazy to me. Listen to what someone says, think about it and form your own opinion as to whether they are right or wrong.
5:20 so "Companies house" is a list maintained by the UK government of all registered companies - you can look up their current and past senior staff (directors, secretaries (company secretary not PA) owners etc), company accounts (small companies don't have to disclose as much as big ones though) for the last financial year but one (so 2 years ago) etc etc.
a trio of lions has appeared on the arms of every English (and British) monarch since the late 12th century, and has been flown as a battle standard on English soil and abroad.10
A mark of a good university is not the amount of entrepreneurs it produces, to me that just says USA has more graduates who want to become rich. A truly outstanding university produces people who recognizes that the pursuit of riches is very fleeting but putting your mark on the world is a far more worthy endeavour through science or politics etc.
Humans are literally one of the most efficient animals on the planet. We sweat and run on two legs which means we can run down any other animal on the planet just through sheer persistance(look up persistance hunting). Not me, im fat and have asthma but still the point stands
I have seen more UK flags here in Germany than when I lived in the UK, even my neighbor whos has nothing to do with the UK flies one just because he's a fan of the UK.
We don't fly flags as we don't need to be reminded how great our country is because it is in the name, United does not describe America very accurately. When abroad like your chum we don't let them forget.
Disagree strongly on the stand up front, the two approaches are very different and the UK ‘Edinburgh hour’ approach is hugely respected by US comedians who can just have the same set jokes they tell in clubs repeatedly. It’s the production line vs artisan approach again to an extent
Brits are patriotic, we just not ober the top and in your face about it. We are modest and down to earth and not with our head in the clouds, success is different to everyone, being entrepreneur isn't the oniy way to be successful. These guys im sorry aren't see Britain the right way, they're making judgement based just upon their experience rather than doing research with other people of uk and to put the uk down the way they do is disgraceful. Just cause we are different to America that isn't a bad thing like these guys are putting across. The uk measures its success as we have more writers, actors, academics, engineers and even inventions that America takes advantage of, America judged success on how much ,oney you make, while money helps you live there are far more important things we have that are far more valuable than an entrepreneurship. These guys don't speak for the whole of the uk just themselves so take what they say about the uk with a grain of salt. What he said about British pride is BS, of course we have pride in Britain, its sounds lioe he doesn't have British pride and he thinks he can speak for us all HE DOESN'T. In the uk our pride is in our hearts and don't need a huge display or to show off, America is the opposite they need the display to show pride, brits don't. So the guy with the beard is so insecure that he needs external validation which majority of brits don't need and that's why he prefers America as they often need external validation.
I have a problem understanding certain US accents especially Southern accents or young CA girls who fry the ends of their sentences. I watch many US films and videos with subtitled😮
@@Paul_Bond.I found it a bit shocking to hear him recommend Bald and bankrupt. He has been in quite some scandals over the last few years in connection to s** tourism. Visits poor countries to find poor and desperate women. In one country (can't remember which one, but you can google this) he was kicked out for mistreating women.
@@LalaDepala_00I had never heard of this channel. I've just looked him up, and as much I distrust a lot of what I read on the internet, he does indeed appear to be a scum bag. Thanks for the heads up! I still don't understand what the original comment meant though "Absolute garbage" is pretty vague and seems to me to be a useless comment, I have no idea what or who it even refers to.
@@Paul_Bond. I think the two guys in discussion. Just because they were speaking semi-eloquently, I still thought there was a lot of waffle. They really have a very narrow view of what success is measured in.
@@kanedaku Thanks, I think I agree with you. Although there was some interesting conversation I don't think I would want to be any where near these guys in real life.
He's not quite accurate about cooperation being the only thing humans have that other animals don't. We're also supposedly the animals with the greatest stamina. There are dozens of animals that can outrun us and outmanoeuvre us with their speed and agility, but they all tire quicker than us. There aren't many other animals that are marathon runners the way we are. When i learned this fact it suddenly made sense why zombies and other forms of undead are such recurring monsters in our fiction and folklore: they're literally outcompeting us at the thing we can outcompete all other animals at. They don't tire, they never stop, they just keep coming until we exhaust ourselves, which is how we hunted our prey before the agricultural revolution and domestication of livestock.
USAliens are obsessed with making money, UKliens are not. Period. One is Nationalistic, one is Patriotic. Period. I enjoyed Anaheim and LA. but the sea was bloody freezing. Even the sharks had thermals on. No wonder Bay Watch beauties had standout nipples.
Well he's not completely right. Eddie Izzard is seen as a god in America but he can't fill a 30.000 seater in America, like he did for 15 years in England. And he did a show 20 times in most cities back when he had all his big shows. Now I've read that Peter Kay holds the record for tickets sold for a tour, beating even Kevin Hart. But I'm not sure but that's what the UK press keeps saying. But he's a UK thing, he not globally known. He is the best at it I find.
I dont agree with his take on comedy. Maybe not that many stand-ups from the UK end up with global reach, but there are a ridiculous number of working stand-up comedians in the UK - to the point that many US stand-ups envy the opportunities UK comedians have to work at the lower levels and build their set and audience. Every town has open mic nights, and local comedy venues. every town has big comedians coming through on their tours.
I disagree with their take on comedy or stand up comedians. I think I can name 3 or 4 US stand up comedians. More comedy actors but current stand up comedians who get Netflix specials, for example, who I’ve actually heard of, very few. Considering the size of the country and the US film industry, the UK is doing fine and we also have comedians from other countries who come to the UK. I would’ve loved to have been a third person in that discussion because they were both so delusional and clueless, they needed a bit of sense.
The greatest flaw inbuilt into us here in the UK is deference to class. Our class structure elevates the wrong people based on privilege so our top universities are filled with overly rich kids who went to expensive private schools so we tend to turn out highly educated fools. There is very little space for natural selection for talent in the UK as it has become much harder for state educated kids to break through in to the top jobs. A reason for this may be that the per pupil premium cost for educating a UK kid is roughly half the cost of a US kid. I believe this can handicap the UK and its entrepreneur spirit.
My take on this JJ is that the US has more opportunity - simply due to its size and resource base - if your XYZ isn't working in this town, well... go to another. In the UK it feels like the individual is surrounded by closed doors and indifferent / stressed out people with no spare margin - and it's like this everywhere. So there is no point in moving as it'll be more of the same - people are struggling and have been for decades, so the entrenched attitude is defensiveness and a desire to cling to the better-days of the past, not move into the future. London is a big problem. In say 1970 there was still a decent spread of work / opportunity in most areas of the country. Those evaporated with some remaining in London - the rest of the UK (esp. under the Tories) has been savagely run-down. And to work in the London area you need either be rich or born there (so have an established home) - forget moving into the area unless you are very ££ loaded. Yet there's also a background attitude that "people who don't make the move to London are electing to be unemployed" i.e. blaming the victim. In many ways the UK has not yet resolved the loss of Empire. What did work pre (say) 1950 no longer works; we have not yet found what does work and are rather at a loss... :(
Its like the 2 guys on a bus meme, Brits are melancholy by the wall, and Yanks are smiling at the landscape. The bulk of brits portrayed in Hollywood either have the classic RP accent or cockney, so i find it hard to believe they would find other regional accents as intelligent. You could be the smartest person in the country, yet if you have a thick scouse accent (for example) most brits will assume you barely graduated school. My favourite American accent would have to be mid-west/southern areas i guess, Kansas / Texas types, think Gerald McRaney.
Interesting conversation, and maybe I misunderstood, but I do feel their definition of success is based very much on their own aspirations towards entrepreneurship, which negates many other measures of success in life such as pushing forward scientific knowledge, creative success in the arts, music, literature etc, success in sporting endeavour, or just individual perceived success in achieving whatever you personally desire in life which could be achieving success in your chosen career, having a family, going travelling, creating a charity, being a popular enabler of community effort and so on. I'm far more impressed with these measures of success over only being an entrepreneur as the best measure.
Totally agree. You can have success working for an established company; is starting your own business and making less money than a comparable role's salary mean you are more successful because you made it? What metric is used for entrepreneurship? Are they accounting for successful rates of growth with a minimum term of business? Does a business that is created and goes belly up after five years of no growth count towards those entrepreneur numbers?
That very young nation America is still judging their peers by how much pocket money they have . That older nation the UK is judging people by what the pocket money buys
I’m well educated and the last thing I want to be is an entrepreneur and working for myself. I don’t need to be a millionaire. I want work life balance.
Totally agree, the idea that you are only successful if you create a business is strange. I understand that's what these two think and that's fine, but to frame it as the only goal is strange.
I disagree with these 2 on so many points. FFS There is only a British football team formed for the olympics and they use the Union Flag. These two are as thick as mince, they are talking about England not the UK. Why would Wales or Scotland use the an English symbol? FA Wales uses the dragon and FA Scotland the thistle, their national symbols.. Both the 3 lions and St George’s cross are English. They don’t know English from British,nor their arses from their elbows.
Because it is, I live in the North in the UK you can be friendly and have a laugh and a joke with strangers but it doesn’t tip into pretending you’ve been best buddies for years.
@@OspreyChickCustomer service was brilliant decades ago, it’s just the last couple of decades,especially when you phone a company it’s sourced abroad. My son bought a phone nearly a £1000 on Amazon, a lunch box was delivered instead, he was sent in circles trying to get his money back in the end he gave up, because it would probably cost more in lawyer fees trying to get his money back, it happened to a work colleague as well. As a family we would never buy anything again that cost a lot of money from Amazon, lesson learnt!
These 2 gents are quite disparaging and the UK is much more than just London. Universities arent there to create entrepreneurs either but to educate. People in the UK are patriotic we just don't need idiotic flag waving
Agreed, these two have gone to the US and have their own views, which is fine, but they're wrong about nearly everything they talk about with conviction. They got all the stats wrong on the economy of London and their idea that everything is just there for people to create businesses isn't held by the vast majority of people. Otherwise...we would all have businesses.
He's completely wrong on stand-up comedians. I can think of only two American stand-ups that are found funny by hon-Americans, Reginald D Hunter and Rich Hall.
These guys seem to have a skewed opinion on the country, much of what they say is not correct. It looks to ke like many if their opinions are formed from social media. It also appears that they donr even live here any more. I'd take what these guys say with a pinch of salt.
The 3 lions come from the English coat of arms. That's why we use it on England football shirts. Basically the same reason why Netherlands play in orange kits even though orange isn't on their flag.
The well educated idiots in this video are giving a solely English skewed and for some reason entrepreneurial biased assessment of life in the UK. For a start being an entrepreneur and having a degree from a top university don’t necessarily make you successful in any way shape or form. Secondly obviously the EDL is an England only organisation, so has no real relevance in the other three countries that make up the UK and for 50% of the countries that make up the UK having a flag flying isn’t an issue, it might be a sign of if you believe in independence (you’d be flying either the Scottish or Welsh flag) or a Unionist (you’d be flying the Union Flag/Jack) but to be honest, that isn’t even a guarantee. There is no such thing as ‘the British Football Team’. The three lions are used by the England team. It is the symbol for England in the Royal Standard. The Scottish team also uses their Royal Standard representation in the Lion Rampant. So they are talking nonsense about things they know nothing about. Wales isn’t represented on the Royal Standard and the representation for Ireland isn’t just for Northern Ireland, it’s the Harp which is a representation of the whole of Ireland and wouldn’t be appropriate due to the political, religious and sectarian connotations involved with that. Selling yourself isn’t necessarily a good thing because often those that are more inclined to do it aren’t actually as capable as the person who is a little more reticent when it comes to self promotion. Optimism isn’t a sign of greatness, it’s more likely to be a sign of gullibility and he also keeps going on about entrepreneurs but ffs, I think on the whole we have proven as a group of nations that we are able of punching well above our weight in creativity when it comes to just about everything.
@@Roz-y2d Every day I wake up and wish I lived in a really entrepreneurial country where the pharmaceutical industry can buy up politicians to make essential drugs 10 times the price they are here. If only we had a NRA we too could have the major cause of childhood injuries being handguns because - buying up politicians is so logical. Why should there be any requirement for balance in political reporting? ( nice one Ronnie). Go entrepreneurship ! - then we could have medical emergencies bankrupting people too. We need more companies paying to have environmental safeguards binned . ( this is slightly sarcastic as perceptive types may have already clocked).
How are these two grifters measuring success? There’s smugness oozing from them. I guess they went to University to learn how to be an entrepreneur. Thankfully, not everyone is like that.
Americans are the excited puppies while Brits are the tired/bored grown up, alternately amused and irritated by the antics of the enthusiastic puppy. 😁
America was founded by ambitious risk taking individuals. Hence why American society is so ambitious. The UK was founded by some of the best invading armies. Hence why we are so good at invading other countries 🤣😉
But today`s Americans are very risk averse . Take their cinema actors , always the hero and very seldom the villain because they fear the `taint` will harm their future acting prospects .Whereas British actors hone their craft with everything. In the UK generally ,making mistakes is looked on as part of maturing, it doesn`t matter ,it`s a passing thing and so we don`t mind taking the piss out of each other .
Listening to this i've come up with a solution. Every American should have a British friend and every Brit should have an American friend. It's like we'd be complimentary: the British friend helps the American to develop their antifragility and not be crushed by negative remarks and the American friend helps the Brit with the crippling lack of self belief. Now i just need an American with self belief to set up the website where Brits and Americans can find one another to be online friends and make us both rich. 😅
Hey JJ. As you make such a good job of reading out everything on Jay Forman’s video, would you consider taking a look at Count Binface’s manifesto for next week’s general election.
Brits don't think about American accent very much because we have all grown up watching US TV shows. So we buy into all the stereotypes. If I heard a random American accent out and about, I would probably not go out of my way to talk to them. As in the past it has usually ended up with the American telling me how much better the US is then the UK, and complaining that the UK is not more like the US. There are only so many times you want to explain, why stick shifts are better, window screens are stupid in the UK, and air conditioning is a waste of money.
Yes, I’m not a fan of these two wittering on. Others have pointed out the issues, and there are quite a few. Talking with authority about stuff that they are not authorities!
I haven’t finished this video yet, but I just had to pause and say how much I love Bald and Bankrupts videos. One of his videos is possibly my favourite video on the internet- he goes to Belarus and is invited to a strangers apartment to drink and play the violin. It’s such a unique video, I can’t recommend it enough if you have even a passing interest in modern Soviet life and people. I think because he speaks the language fluently he’s able to get a really interesting perspective. Also the video just feels really dreamlike and bizarre, as soon as he arrives in Belarus this guy invites him to see the local graveyard and then to buy vodka. Really cool video and a fascinating insight into Soviet life. I just had to pause to recommend it to anyone who might be in the comments! ua-cam.com/video/oaletsYICyI/v-deo.htmlsi=MVC69ZLF9v31cvR-
The 3 lions symbol is a reference to the Royal coat of arms which had 3 lions as a symbol of strength and power and dates from medieval times when Henry the first adopted a lion as his 'Standard' (war banner) This was added to by subsequent monarch until Richard the first used the 3 lions as his Standard and coat of arms. It is still used as a part of the Royal Standard and coat of arms these days. Hence the use by sports teams as their symbol.
You should watch the Bald & Bankrupt video about the Darian gap! It's called 'I was trafficked through the worlds deadliest jungle' it's crazy he joins the hundreds of migrants trying to make their way to America along the way he has to pay off the cartel to get a wristband which allows him to travel the migrant path they pass bodies just left on the side of the trail and get thrown into a prison camp yet keep their phone so carry on filming. Honestly it's an amazing video.
I wouldn't really listen to this guy on much, he's wrong about bald and bankrupt's channel (he doesn't go to "bad" places), London doesn't have the 6th largest economy in the world alone (about 17th behind Iran and Norway, but it really depends how you measure it). This guy is fine but he talks a lot without knowing much at all. I wouldn't put much into it.
Yes California has an economy that would make it 6th largest in the world if it was a country. NYC is, along with London, the most connected global cities. But that doesn't matter if you live in Apalachia. With the UK the primaciy of London economy is very profound and the north /south divide in the economy is quite pronounced.
I think this obsession with money and entrepreneurial spirit misses a significant point. The whole point of economic activity (all of it), is to improve the standard of living. If one has no (or little) social safety net, and no access to healthcare except via one’s employer, *of course* one will work harder! The consequence being if one doesn’t, one will die! The US’s economic output is masterful; but at what cost to families and standard of living, if someone’s always working three jobs and a side hustle to do it? To me it is a marker of a higher standard of living that one can choose to work hard or efficiently because the consequence is minimal, and still have a better work life balance. I’ve met some lovely Americans both in the U.K. and the states; but they seemed more compelled or obliged in America than abroad.
British universities are waaaaaaay ahead of the world average for research papers and Nobel Prizes.
Exactly, our universities in the UK output academics. The American dream means you're hardwired to be entrepreneurs, where we don't have anything like that in the UK anymore.
But these two are complete idiots
Not British or American, but I don't think British people don't have pride in being British, they're just not quite as sickeningly obnoxious about it as Americans, and some other countries. Also, I think you also have to account for the four individuals countries of the UK, which I guess for some may impact on their pride in being British or part of the UK, as they may feel English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish first. Just 2 cents from an outside observer.
Yep. I am proud to be English. and I would never call myself British under any circumstances, even if I was standing in a crowd of Yankees at Dodger stadium.
(well, maybe I'd call myself British if I was an Olympian at the games, but I'd be wearing a George Cross flag rather than a Union flag)
It also depend on how we feel about the union and our own home country too. I see myself as English first however I put more importance on being British since I see the union as more important than England itself
@@pipercharms7374 I understand, but I see national pride as a seperate subject from pride in the union.
@@OneTrueScotsmanwe wont let you leave us ❤❤🩹
Brit here (English, Welsh, Irish ancestry who married a Scot). Of course we're proud of we can do and have done - watch the Last Night of the Proms. But it is very much 'not done' to be loud about it. We have a lot of people, crammed in a small country - we have to learn to get along and not cause unnecessary offence.
The great Bob Monkhouse, a very accomplished comedian, had a gag. He said ‘I told my family that I was going to be a comedian and they laughed, well, they’re not laughing now”. Says it all, really….
Does it? Great joke but what's the relevance?
As a Brit in America I’ve found most Americans aren’t that dumb, it’s only the ones who try to do a British accent that turn out to be less educated
Bott la waher?
You clearly haven't watched any gen z lol they are dumb some can't tell the time, I fear for usa future...
It all depends on the strata of society in which one socialises.
Well that was bollocks, have you noticed that brits who love the US are always obsessed with money and talk crap about the uk some of the reasons that it's easier to be an entrepreneur in the US is workers have little to no rights and an attitude in the country that it doesn't matter who you trample on as long as you make it and God help you if you don't make it, the uk has way too much poverty and deprivation at the moment but it's nothing compared to what it's like in america, also whilst I'm on a rant if we're so scared to try anything why are there so many British actors and musicians and the thing about stand ups there's thousands of stand up comedians there just not big in the US
Well said.
Innit hahah said absolutely nothing in that whole video
Second that first statement. Modern wisdom from a former Love Island contestant and an essayist. No thanks, I’ll find mine elsewhere.
Great rant! Bravo 🇬🇧
They are probably comparing Wigan, Carlisle, etc. with NY and LA. The USA has its small towns too. They are just spewing stereotypes. As a viewer, this was the most infuriating reaction ever.
These 2 don't live in the real world.
Don't agree with half the nonsense.
And a very blinkered view. They measure ONLY entrepreneurs.
We produce more writers, actors, academics, engineers etc etc etc..
In terms of innovation they just need to look at patents on a per capita basis.
Agreed!
@@Rachel_M_ exactly. To only use entrepreneurs as a metric for success seems a bit bizarre
Baffled by the idea that entrepreneurs are seen as some kind of good thing. Greed is not great.
Thank goodness for the UA-cam entrepreneurs eh?
@@michaelprobert4014 i know right heaven forbid uk universities educate actual scientists instead of red pill grifters.
If Americans think a posh British accent sounds more intelligent and aristocratic. I would love to know what you think of regional British accents. I speak with a West Country accent, does that make me sound less intelligent?
I don't think taking the piss out of your friends is just a Northern thing, it happens all over, it's done with love and you know your accepted as one of the group.
There's loads of England flags around at the moment, but that's because England football team is playing in the Euro's 😄
I think the difference between the amount of people starting businesses out of American and British Universities is down to two particular factors. Firstly, Americans see being an entrepreneur as being something special, that is not the case in the UK. It's like 'you started a business, so what?' Everyone who delivers for Amazon is technically running their own business along with the majority of plumbers, painters and other such construction industry tradesmen. The second factor is that these UK universities, especially Cambridge and Oxford, are focussed primarily on more scholarly subjects like the sciences and humanities rather than the likes of business and IT.
When will people get that there is NOT one " BRITISH" accent !!??
We have SCOTTISH, ENGLISH, IRISH and WELSH accents ! They are ALL British !
Each accent then has it's own dialects that can change very 10 miles or so!
In the 12 century, on the battlefield, English soldiers would carry flags with 3 gold lions on them on a red background. The 3 lions badge grew from the union of the royal families' use of the lion symbol.
There is no such thing as a British National football team ! Each country has it's own national team.
There IS a British Lions rugby team though.
As soon as he said “the British football team” I started to wonder if he actually was British😂
Erm its the English football team not the British football team ffs.
The two on the podcast are talking quite a lot of sh*te. A few truths peppered by a lot of piffle.
11:29 The British have pride in their nation (possibly too much, which led to Brexit, which was definitely the UK shooting itself in the foot). We just don't feel the need to display flags to remind ourselves which nation we are in!
These two guys made the occasional decent point, but overall they they were talking mostly in false stereotypes. For a start there is no such thing as a "British" football team except at the Olympics (and there they use the Union Flag as their symbol). It's the England team that uses three lions, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own completely separate football associations and national teams with their own symbols. The Scottish national team for instance uses the Lion Rampant as our symbol. Also as far as the assumed lack of national pride in Britain, here in Scotland we certainly have more national pride that most countries, as do the Welsh and Irish. And if you want to see English national pride, you just have to have a look at how all the St. George's crosses suddenly appear everywhere in England if their taking part in a major international football competition. You were spot on about why British universities produce less entrepreneurs btw. It has less to do with educational standards and more to do with the fact that the US has a much more capitalist orientated culture. British Universities in my experience tend to emphasise science or arts education, for instance, rather than business.
Scotland and Wales don't use the Three Lions because it's the English Coat of Arms. There'd be another civil war if they tried it.
True 😂
We 🏴 wouldn't want to use it to be fair just cos it's not Welsh. Our flag is everywhere. Most of us can't understand why people complain when you fly the 🏴 or the three lions. They're your national symbols.
Universities in the UK do not see their purpose as being to create entrepreneurs! They see their purpose as being to educate people - that’s it. So to compare universities based on the number of entrepreneurs they create seems totally pointless.
When I visit the US, I often find it hard to understand what they are saying when having a conversation face to face. I have to listen really carefully. Yet on TV, It’s easy to understand what they are saying, and I’m always pulled up on speaking quietly, but my volume is pretty standard when in the UK. People from the US def project their voice with more volume as a norm.
"He played cricket as a child".
Oh dear. When that's all Wikipedia has really got to say about you, that's not good.
These guys on the podcast, are wrong about so much here, I believe. I have a pride in Scotland and in Britain.
The way I see it here in the UK with Americans is that they are all expected to go to college and university where as here it's more wanting to go.
Imagine going to the internet to find out if you should believe someone or not, rather than listening to what someone has to say and making up your own mind. You were literally looking to be told what you should think about somebody before you've even heard them speak. That's crazy to me. Listen to what someone says, think about it and form your own opinion as to whether they are right or wrong.
Brits introducing a friend to a group - "this is Bob, a bit of a wanker but he's OK"
3:45 that face is demented 😂
5:20 so "Companies house" is a list maintained by the UK government of all registered companies - you can look up their current and past senior staff (directors, secretaries (company secretary not PA) owners etc), company accounts (small companies don't have to disclose as much as big ones though) for the last financial year but one (so 2 years ago) etc etc.
Making a show called Bald & Bankrupt when your name is B. Rich is wild
Reality show guy looking like a giga Chad is like yeah that's all he is
You are mad in an enjoyable manner. Love it . Keep it up.
There are more small to medium businesses per capita in the UK than the US though…
a trio of lions has appeared on the arms of every English (and British) monarch since the late 12th century, and has been flown as a battle standard on English soil and abroad.10
A mark of a good university is not the amount of entrepreneurs it produces, to me that just says USA has more graduates who want to become rich. A truly outstanding university produces people who recognizes that the pursuit of riches is very fleeting but putting your mark on the world is a far more worthy endeavour through science or politics etc.
Humans are literally one of the most efficient animals on the planet. We sweat and run on two legs which means we can run down any other animal on the planet just through sheer persistance(look up persistance hunting). Not me, im fat and have asthma but still the point stands
Meeting Americans in real life in the UK - they always seem a bit larger than life and like they are more effortlessly cool
None of the many Americans I've worked with are 'effortlessly cool' - they are all however immensely hard working and ambitious.
@@wessexdruid7598 I have only met a few Americans and every single one of them was super cool. But that's an awfully small sample size I admit
@@danic9304 And what did they do for jobs?
You should react to David Michel’ soapbox-Dear America
men cigars business muscles football money money money what else is there? What else is important?
I have seen more UK flags here in Germany than when I lived in the UK, even my neighbor whos has nothing to do with the UK flies one just because he's a fan of the UK.
We don't fly flags as we don't need to be reminded how great our country is because it is in the name, United does not describe America very accurately. When abroad like your chum we don't let them forget.
Disagree strongly on the stand up front, the two approaches are very different and the UK ‘Edinburgh hour’ approach is hugely respected by US comedians who can just have the same set jokes they tell in clubs repeatedly. It’s the production line vs artisan approach again to an extent
I believe every country has their own 'dumb' accent.
Brits are patriotic, we just not ober the top and in your face about it. We are modest and down to earth and not with our head in the clouds, success is different to everyone, being entrepreneur isn't the oniy way to be successful. These guys im sorry aren't see Britain the right way, they're making judgement based just upon their experience rather than doing research with other people of uk and to put the uk down the way they do is disgraceful. Just cause we are different to America that isn't a bad thing like these guys are putting across. The uk measures its success as we have more writers, actors, academics, engineers and even inventions that America takes advantage of, America judged success on how much ,oney you make, while money helps you live there are far more important things we have that are far more valuable than an entrepreneurship. These guys don't speak for the whole of the uk just themselves so take what they say about the uk with a grain of salt. What he said about British pride is BS, of course we have pride in Britain, its sounds lioe he doesn't have British pride and he thinks he can speak for us all HE DOESN'T. In the uk our pride is in our hearts and don't need a huge display or to show off, America is the opposite they need the display to show pride, brits don't.
So the guy with the beard is so insecure that he needs external validation which majority of brits don't need and that's why he prefers America as they often need external validation.
I'm in Stockton😊
15:12 Na you got guns 😂 everyone’s scared init.
yeah come to Newcastle 👏
UK being a poor country attached to a rich city (London) ... is total bollocks IMHO
I have a problem understanding certain US accents especially Southern accents or young CA girls who fry the ends of their sentences. I watch many US films and videos with subtitled😮
26 year old? He looks 50
Lions are on the Royal Standard
Absolute garbage
In what way? I found this really interesting. I thought they made some very pertinent points about both nations and cultures. I'm British by the way.
@@Paul_Bond.I found it a bit shocking to hear him recommend Bald and bankrupt. He has been in quite some scandals over the last few years in connection to s** tourism.
Visits poor countries to find poor and desperate women. In one country (can't remember which one, but you can google this) he was kicked out for mistreating women.
@@LalaDepala_00I had never heard of this channel. I've just looked him up, and as much I distrust a lot of what I read on the internet, he does indeed appear to be a scum bag. Thanks for the heads up! I still don't understand what the original comment meant though "Absolute garbage" is pretty vague and seems to me to be a useless comment, I have no idea what or who it even refers to.
@@Paul_Bond. I think the two guys in discussion. Just because they were speaking semi-eloquently, I still thought there was a lot of waffle. They really have a very narrow view of what success is measured in.
@@kanedaku Thanks, I think I agree with you. Although there was some interesting conversation I don't think I would want to be any where near these guys in real life.
He's not quite accurate about cooperation being the only thing humans have that other animals don't.
We're also supposedly the animals with the greatest stamina. There are dozens of animals that can outrun us and outmanoeuvre us with their speed and agility, but they all tire quicker than us. There aren't many other animals that are marathon runners the way we are.
When i learned this fact it suddenly made sense why zombies and other forms of undead are such recurring monsters in our fiction and folklore: they're literally outcompeting us at the thing we can outcompete all other animals at. They don't tire, they never stop, they just keep coming until we exhaust ourselves, which is how we hunted our prey before the agricultural revolution and domestication of livestock.
USAliens are obsessed with making money, UKliens are not. Period. One is Nationalistic, one is Patriotic. Period. I enjoyed Anaheim and LA. but the sea was bloody freezing. Even the sharks had thermals on. No wonder Bay Watch beauties had standout nipples.
Well he's not completely right. Eddie Izzard is seen as a god in America but he can't fill a 30.000 seater in America, like he did for 15 years in England. And he did a show 20 times in most cities back when he had all his big shows. Now I've read that Peter Kay holds the record for tickets sold for a tour, beating even Kevin Hart. But I'm not sure but that's what the UK press keeps saying. But he's a UK thing, he not globally known. He is the best at it I find.
Chris Williamson is great. He has great guests. Top bloke. Modern Wisdom.
A lot to think about there, I think they nailed a lot of things. Very interesting discussion.
california may have a big economy but I hear Alabama not so much
I dont agree with his take on comedy. Maybe not that many stand-ups from the UK end up with global reach, but there are a ridiculous number of working stand-up comedians in the UK - to the point that many US stand-ups envy the opportunities UK comedians have to work at the lower levels and build their set and audience. Every town has open mic nights, and local comedy venues. every town has big comedians coming through on their tours.
I disagree with their take on comedy or stand up comedians. I think I can name 3 or 4 US stand up comedians. More comedy actors but current stand up comedians who get Netflix specials, for example, who I’ve actually heard of, very few. Considering the size of the country and the US film industry, the UK is doing fine and we also have comedians from other countries who come to the UK. I would’ve loved to have been a third person in that discussion because they were both so delusional and clueless, they needed a bit of sense.
The greatest flaw inbuilt into us here in the UK is deference to class. Our class structure elevates the wrong people based on privilege so our top universities are filled with overly rich kids who went to expensive private schools so we tend to turn out highly educated fools. There is very little space for natural selection for talent in the UK as it has become much harder for state educated kids to break through in to the top jobs. A reason for this may be that the per pupil premium cost for educating a UK kid is roughly half the cost of a US kid. I believe this can handicap the UK and its entrepreneur spirit.
Do you really believe that doesn't exist in America?
if you fly an england flag in england everyone says your a racist which is so wrong not aloud to be proud it seems lol
This is mainly bollocks. They are comparing 2 very different cultures and basing it in there own world view and aspirations to define "success".
what about a cheater on a bicycle !
My take on this JJ is that the US has more opportunity - simply due to its size and resource base - if your XYZ isn't working in this town, well... go to another. In the UK it feels like the individual is surrounded by closed doors and indifferent / stressed out people with no spare margin - and it's like this everywhere. So there is no point in moving as it'll be more of the same - people are struggling and have been for decades, so the entrenched attitude is defensiveness and a desire to cling to the better-days of the past, not move into the future.
London is a big problem. In say 1970 there was still a decent spread of work / opportunity in most areas of the country. Those evaporated with some remaining in London - the rest of the UK (esp. under the Tories) has been savagely run-down. And to work in the London area you need either be rich or born there (so have an established home) - forget moving into the area unless you are very ££ loaded. Yet there's also a background attitude that "people who don't make the move to London are electing to be unemployed" i.e. blaming the victim.
In many ways the UK has not yet resolved the loss of Empire. What did work pre (say) 1950 no longer works; we have not yet found what does work and are rather at a loss... :(
Nothing profound in this discussion Big brain Homo sapiens
Not many commenting just yet because too busy listening maybe. Interesting and thought-provoking!
Interesting, but shut it off because of his constant swearing!
Its like the 2 guys on a bus meme, Brits are melancholy by the wall, and Yanks are smiling at the landscape. The bulk of brits portrayed in Hollywood either have the classic RP accent or cockney, so i find it hard to believe they would find other regional accents as intelligent. You could be the smartest person in the country, yet if you have a thick scouse accent (for example) most brits will assume you barely graduated school. My favourite American accent would have to be mid-west/southern areas i guess, Kansas / Texas types, think Gerald McRaney.
It's true...every American thinks Scots are very learned.
We are! 🤣
You talk to fast ? Can’t follow at times . Seam to slit and talk loudly 🫤
Who else is waiting for the day J accidentally swallows his microphone cover 😂😂❤
Interesting conversation, and maybe I misunderstood, but I do feel their definition of success is based very much on their own aspirations towards entrepreneurship, which negates many other measures of success in life such as pushing forward scientific knowledge, creative success in the arts, music, literature etc, success in sporting endeavour, or just individual perceived success in achieving whatever you personally desire in life which could be achieving success in your chosen career, having a family, going travelling, creating a charity, being a popular enabler of community effort and so on. I'm far more impressed with these measures of success over only being an entrepreneur as the best measure.
Absolutely. Firstly, define ‘success’.
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Totally agree.
You can have success working for an established company; is starting your own business and making less money than a comparable role's salary mean you are more successful because you made it?
What metric is used for entrepreneurship? Are they accounting for successful rates of growth with a minimum term of business? Does a business that is created and goes belly up after five years of no growth count towards those entrepreneur numbers?
theyre kinda those hustle red pill types.
Getting an entrepreneur/ grifter vibe from these two which wouldn’t resonate with a lot of uk people… def agree with the comments define success first
That very young nation America is still judging their peers by how much pocket money they have .
That older nation the UK is judging people by what the pocket money buys
8:32 The purpose of education is not to create businesses. That idea is misunderstanding the purpose of developing knowledge.
It's a very strange wordview, I agree. I feel a bit weird JLLA reacted to this to be honest, it's such a warped idea with no pushback.
I’m well educated and the last thing I want to be is an entrepreneur and working for myself. I don’t need to be a millionaire. I want work life balance.
Totally agree, the idea that you are only successful if you create a business is strange. I understand that's what these two think and that's fine, but to frame it as the only goal is strange.
I disagree with these 2 on so many points. FFS There is only a British football team formed for the olympics and they use the Union Flag. These two are as thick as mince, they are talking about England not the UK. Why would Wales or Scotland use the an English symbol? FA Wales uses the dragon and FA Scotland the thistle, their national symbols.. Both the 3 lions and St George’s cross are English. They don’t know English from British,nor their arses from their elbows.
There was a guy on the real world years ago and he said ‘Americans have an upfront friendliness that comes across as insincerity.’
@@OneTrueScotsmanagreed. Nothing wrong with that.
Check out David Michelle’s rant on QI customer service in the UK. It sums it up.
Because it is, I live in the North in the UK you can be friendly and have a laugh and a joke with strangers but it doesn’t tip into pretending you’ve been best buddies for years.
@@OspreyChickCustomer service was brilliant decades ago, it’s just the last couple of decades,especially when you phone a company it’s sourced abroad. My son bought a phone nearly a £1000 on Amazon, a lunch box was delivered instead, he was sent in circles trying to get his money back in the end he gave up, because it would probably cost more in lawyer fees trying to get his money back, it happened to a work colleague as well. As a family we would never buy anything again that cost a lot of money from Amazon, lesson learnt!
The 'British' football team?! JJ!!!
So much of this was just bollocks
Including calling it `Wisdom'.
These 2 gents are quite disparaging and the UK is much more than just London.
Universities arent there to create entrepreneurs either but to educate.
People in the UK are patriotic we just don't need idiotic flag waving
Agreed, these two have gone to the US and have their own views, which is fine, but they're wrong about nearly everything they talk about with conviction. They got all the stats wrong on the economy of London and their idea that everything is just there for people to create businesses isn't held by the vast majority of people. Otherwise...we would all have businesses.
He's completely wrong on stand-up comedians. I can think of only two American stand-ups that are found funny by hon-Americans, Reginald D Hunter and Rich Hall.
No, he's talking about comedians that go global; Chappelle, Rock, Hart.
Our comedians do mostly Europe, Aus, India, Canada. _Some_ do America.
You should try Tom Segura or Joey Diaz, two of my favourite American comedians.
These guys seem to have a skewed opinion on the country, much of what they say is not correct. It looks to ke like many if their opinions are formed from social media. It also appears that they donr even live here any more. I'd take what these guys say with a pinch of salt.
It’s smugness. Ugh
The 3 lions come from the English coat of arms. That's why we use it on England football shirts. Basically the same reason why Netherlands play in orange kits even though orange isn't on their flag.
I'll be honest, cooperation isn't really the first thing that comes to mind when I think of American society in the 21st century.
The well educated idiots in this video are giving a solely English skewed and for some reason entrepreneurial biased assessment of life in the UK.
For a start being an entrepreneur and having a degree from a top university don’t necessarily make you successful in any way shape or form.
Secondly obviously the EDL is an England only organisation, so has no real relevance in the other three countries that make up the UK and for 50% of the countries that make up the UK having a flag flying isn’t an issue, it might be a sign of if you believe in independence (you’d be flying either the Scottish or Welsh flag) or a Unionist (you’d be flying the Union Flag/Jack) but to be honest, that isn’t even a guarantee.
There is no such thing as ‘the British Football Team’. The three lions are used by the England team. It is the symbol for England in the Royal Standard. The Scottish team also uses their Royal Standard representation in the Lion Rampant. So they are talking nonsense about things they know nothing about. Wales isn’t represented on the Royal Standard and the representation for Ireland isn’t just for Northern Ireland, it’s the Harp which is a representation of the whole of Ireland and wouldn’t be appropriate due to the political, religious and sectarian connotations involved with that.
Selling yourself isn’t necessarily a good thing because often those that are more inclined to do it aren’t actually as capable as the person who is a little more reticent when it comes to self promotion.
Optimism isn’t a sign of greatness, it’s more likely to be a sign of gullibility and he also keeps going on about entrepreneurs but ffs, I think on the whole we have proven as a group of nations that we are able of punching well above our weight in creativity when it comes to just about everything.
Not liking these pair much at all.
Yes, it’s feels a bit grubby, doesn’t it?
@@Roz-y2d Every day I wake up and wish I lived in a really entrepreneurial country where the pharmaceutical industry can buy up politicians to make essential drugs 10 times the price they are here. If only we had a NRA we too could have the major cause of childhood injuries being handguns because - buying up politicians is so logical. Why should there be any requirement for balance in political reporting? ( nice one Ronnie). Go entrepreneurship ! - then we could have medical emergencies bankrupting people too. We need more companies paying to have environmental safeguards binned . ( this is slightly sarcastic as perceptive types may have already clocked).
How are these two grifters measuring success? There’s smugness oozing from them. I guess they went to University to learn how to be an entrepreneur. Thankfully, not everyone is like that.
Yes there’s a hint of those three off-putting letters “M, B, and A”.
I couldn't watch anymore of these two.
Americans are the excited puppies while Brits are the tired/bored grown up, alternately amused and irritated by the antics of the enthusiastic puppy. 😁
America was founded by ambitious risk taking individuals.
Hence why American society is so ambitious.
The UK was founded by some of the best invading armies.
Hence why we are so good at invading other countries 🤣😉
But today`s Americans are very risk averse .
Take their cinema actors , always the hero and very seldom the villain because they fear the `taint` will harm their future acting prospects .Whereas British actors hone their craft with everything.
In the UK generally ,making mistakes is looked on as part of maturing, it doesn`t matter ,it`s a passing thing and so we don`t mind taking the piss out of each other .
Listening to this i've come up with a solution.
Every American should have a British friend and every Brit should have an American friend.
It's like we'd be complimentary: the British friend helps the American to develop their antifragility and not be crushed by negative remarks and the American friend helps the Brit with the crippling lack of self belief.
Now i just need an American with self belief to set up the website where Brits and Americans can find one another to be online friends and make us both rich. 😅
Hahaha 😂🇺🇸
As a Brit, I'm going to tell you that that is never going to happen
Hey JJ. As you make such a good job of reading out everything on Jay Forman’s video, would you consider taking a look at Count Binface’s manifesto for next week’s general election.
Brits don't think about American accent very much because we have all grown up watching US TV shows. So we buy into all the stereotypes. If I heard a random American accent out and about, I would probably not go out of my way to talk to them.
As in the past it has usually ended up with the American telling me how much better the US is then the UK, and complaining that the UK is not more like the US. There are only so many times you want to explain, why stick shifts are better, window screens are stupid in the UK, and air conditioning is a waste of money.
Yes, I’m not a fan of these two wittering on. Others have pointed out the issues, and there are quite a few. Talking with authority about stuff that they are not authorities!
Oxford here these guys are not really from uk talking a lot of rubbish but that's what you get when you want to be a UA-cam Star
Bald was the UA-cam king a few years back, can’t believe you never heard of him
Three lions appear on the royal standard which was used in battle until the early renaissance.
I haven’t finished this video yet, but I just had to pause and say how much I love Bald and Bankrupts videos. One of his videos is possibly my favourite video on the internet- he goes to Belarus and is invited to a strangers apartment to drink and play the violin. It’s such a unique video, I can’t recommend it enough if you have even a passing interest in modern Soviet life and people. I think because he speaks the language fluently he’s able to get a really interesting perspective. Also the video just feels really dreamlike and bizarre, as soon as he arrives in Belarus this guy invites him to see the local graveyard and then to buy vodka.
Really cool video and a fascinating insight into Soviet life. I just had to pause to recommend it to anyone who might be in the comments! ua-cam.com/video/oaletsYICyI/v-deo.htmlsi=MVC69ZLF9v31cvR-
The 3 lions symbol is a reference to the Royal coat of arms which had 3 lions as a symbol of strength and power and dates from medieval times when Henry the first adopted a lion as his 'Standard' (war banner) This was added to by subsequent monarch until Richard the first used the 3 lions as his Standard and coat of arms. It is still used as a part of the Royal Standard and coat of arms these days. Hence the use by sports teams as their symbol.
Ugh!
Please don’t nuke our castle. Thanks.
JJ you make me laugh so much, wonderful.
Top UK universities are Oxford, Cambridge & Hull. Everyone knows that ^^
I think blokey there mentioned Durham, because I think when his wiki page was shown in the video it said he went to Durham U.
Smarmy B'stard.
Haha, did you go to Hull too?
You should watch the Bald & Bankrupt video about the Darian gap! It's called 'I was trafficked through the worlds deadliest jungle' it's crazy he joins the hundreds of migrants trying to make their way to America along the way he has to pay off the cartel to get a wristband which allows him to travel the migrant path they pass bodies just left on the side of the trail and get thrown into a prison camp yet keep their phone so carry on filming. Honestly it's an amazing video.
I wouldn't really listen to this guy on much, he's wrong about bald and bankrupt's channel (he doesn't go to "bad" places), London doesn't have the 6th largest economy in the world alone (about 17th behind Iran and Norway, but it really depends how you measure it). This guy is fine but he talks a lot without knowing much at all. I wouldn't put much into it.
Yes California has an economy that would make it 6th largest in the world if it was a country. NYC is, along with London, the most connected global cities.
But that doesn't matter if you live in Apalachia.
With the UK the primaciy of London economy is very profound and the north /south divide in the economy is quite pronounced.
I think this obsession with money and entrepreneurial spirit misses a significant point. The whole point of economic activity (all of it), is to improve the standard of living. If one has no (or little) social safety net, and no access to healthcare except via one’s employer, *of course* one will work harder! The consequence being if one doesn’t, one will die! The US’s economic output is masterful; but at what cost to families and standard of living, if someone’s always working three jobs and a side hustle to do it? To me it is a marker of a higher standard of living that one can choose to work hard or efficiently because the consequence is minimal, and still have a better work life balance.
I’ve met some lovely Americans both in the U.K. and the states; but they seemed more compelled or obliged in America than abroad.