I really liked the video, thank you for your effort. HOWEVER, I think the opening example with the disease is terrible. a) the EV of Program B is 200 (1/3 * 600 + 2/3 * 0). This is basic mathematics. So most people should be indifferent as to whether Program A or B is better. b) your argument then is, that the wording of the Programs results evokes a different frame in the reader, thus explaining the difference in relative frequencies of choice(Program A) and choice(Program B). However, the numbers (80% vs 20% and vice versa) look totally incredible to me. They are made up, aren't they? c) if you had therefore used and linked an actual study about framing (in questionnaires) with real numbers, it would have been SO MUCH better. A quick scholar.google.com search offered this for example: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02599636 With kind regards, Frank
Hi Frank. The example is from an actual study about framing that is something of a classic. The paper is called "The Framing of Decisions and the Psychology of Choice", by Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, published in Science in 1981. It is reference #3 in the paper you suggest. Best wishes, --Martin
I'm really confused by your response (especially the "should" part!). Probability of 1/3 means it will happen in 1/3 of "draws" but not in 2/3 of them. In application to reality, you don't know which "draw" we live in. So most people would rather guarantee the saving of 200 people than risk not saving any at all.
My gripe with this thought experiment is that the two framings of the scenario aren't identical at all. In the first one, we don't know how many people in total will die, only that we can save 200 or 600 of them. In the second one, we know that deaths will be limited to 400 in case of option A or could go up to as many as 600 in option B. I would still choose program A and I find it interesting that 80% of the responders would switch.
Thanks for making these. This series is seriously great. After four years of university in the traditional generative tradition, the field of CL provides such a refreshingly different and interesting perspective. Since reading Metaphors We Live By and Women,Fire and Dangerous things I've been itching to learn more about CL and this is a perfect overview from which to choose my future reading.
I realize I leave a lot of comments, but they do help me wrap my hand around a lot of these concepts that are all new to me. Maybe "the shore" and "the coast" don't really have the same meaning - one refers to the place where water ends the land begins, the other - where the land ends and water begins. I'm not sure if this comments adds anything interesting to what the video says.
Could you go further and discuss Script theory semantics? Frame semantics on first glance seem to be declarative knowledge but in a more convenient form for making deductions, etc. Script theory is a development of frames where the frame is in the form of a sequence of events.
for the word "smuggle" I came up with the following: border goods criminal looking at your results, I didn't change my option about the "border frame". for me it makes more sense to use border. because it includes authority, 2 sides ( source, destination ) and a direct path ( across the border ). how does it effect me if I refuse to accept your frame, or any frame for the matter of fact ? And what benefits do I gain if I can see some one Else's frame ?
not considering the test factor, id phrase a combination: Theres 1/3 probability that 600 people will be saved, and 2/3 probability that everybody dies. jk im here during 30ish days into pandemic, how about you?
I really liked the video, thank you for your effort. HOWEVER, I think the opening example with the disease is terrible.
a) the EV of Program B is 200 (1/3 * 600 + 2/3 * 0). This is basic mathematics. So most people should be indifferent as to whether Program A or B is better.
b) your argument then is, that the wording of the Programs results evokes a different frame in the reader, thus explaining the difference in relative frequencies of choice(Program A) and choice(Program B). However, the numbers (80% vs 20% and vice versa) look totally incredible to me. They are made up, aren't they?
c) if you had therefore used and linked an actual study about framing (in questionnaires) with real numbers, it would have been SO MUCH better.
A quick scholar.google.com search offered this for example:
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02599636
With kind regards, Frank
Hi Frank. The example is from an actual study about framing that is something of a classic. The paper is called "The Framing of Decisions and the Psychology of Choice", by Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, published in Science in 1981. It is reference #3 in the paper you suggest. Best wishes, --Martin
Hi! Can you explain the Idealized Cognitive Model? How it works? How the whole concept works? I can't understand it : (((((
Psychology is not mathematics, cf prospect theory
I'm really confused by your response (especially the "should" part!). Probability of 1/3 means it will happen in 1/3 of "draws" but not in 2/3 of them. In application to reality, you don't know which "draw" we live in. So most people would rather guarantee the saving of 200 people than risk not saving any at all.
My gripe with this thought experiment is that the two framings of the scenario aren't identical at all. In the first one, we don't know how many people in total will die, only that we can save 200 or 600 of them. In the second one, we know that deaths will be limited to 400 in case of option A or could go up to as many as 600 in option B. I would still choose program A and I find it interesting that 80% of the responders would switch.
Thanks for making these. This series is seriously great. After four years of university in the traditional generative tradition, the field of CL provides such a refreshingly different and interesting perspective. Since reading Metaphors We Live By and Women,Fire and Dangerous things I've been itching to learn more about CL and this is a perfect overview from which to choose my future reading.
Thanks for your feedback!
I realize I leave a lot of comments, but they do help me wrap my hand around a lot of these concepts that are all new to me. Maybe "the shore" and "the coast" don't really have the same meaning - one refers to the place where water ends the land begins, the other - where the land ends and water begins. I'm not sure if this comments adds anything interesting to what the video says.
+Pawel Wysocki Your comments are very welcome! I'll try to post some answers soon!
Thank you, i was struggling to find clear and didactic videos on linguistics, i hope there will be more to come !
Could you go further and discuss Script theory semantics? Frame semantics on first glance seem to be declarative knowledge but in a more convenient form for making deductions, etc. Script theory is a development of frames where the frame is in the form of a sequence of events.
thanks for the tangent good sir
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Thank you so much for this linguistics series! Hope you have more like this on other thorny language issues.
for the word "smuggle" I came up with the following:
border
goods
criminal
looking at your results, I didn't change my option about the "border frame". for me it makes more sense to use border. because it includes authority, 2 sides ( source, destination ) and a direct path ( across the border ).
how does it effect me if I refuse to accept your frame, or any frame for the matter of fact ?
And what benefits do I gain if I can see some one Else's frame ?
So good and clear!
thank you very much sir. this is the first video of you i watched. i think i should watch all of them. ✨ i am trying to understand 'conceptual field'.
I love the birds in the background. Even if they are not part of the youtube video frame 😂
Lover your videos.
Thank you very for these videos!
Thank you
I just wanna say thanks
"Let me give you a concrete example." Meta.
Thanks!
thank you so much:)
not considering the test factor, id phrase a combination: Theres 1/3 probability that 600 people will be saved, and 2/3 probability that everybody dies.
jk
im here during 30ish days into pandemic, how about you?
Almost a year. :D
Watching this when all the vitriol is going around for Covid vaccine.
Uncanny, right?