I congratulate O for his persistence on school warnings. We can see rampant infections in Southern schools, tens of thousands of children infected. 19% of all new infections in Florida is in the age group 5-14.
😢 Makes me so worried about my little one. She is 6 and loves school 🏫 but masks are not required and I wish they were because she wears one. Social distancing seems to have gone out the window along with most of the common decency surrounding this virus, along with common sense. Reality is going to come back to haunt us, I'm praying for a child vaccine and quickly, please.
Mr. Osterhoim is a life raft in a sea of uncertainly. Thanks for guiding us thru this terrible time with your science, truth and hard facts. That's exactly what we need right now.
What a wonderful podcast! This is the only source of covid information that is willing to grapple with all issues that confuse and vex us in real time. Please continue with your form of excellence! We need you and more like you.
Thank you. I'm sorry for the man who died with one gallstone block as he waited in the ER for 9 hours to get surgery and then died bc he couldn't get help. It's excruciatingly painful. I know. I was very sick myself years ago with numerous gall stones. I got help immediately and was hospitalized for 5 days. So many un-vaxxed sick with delta took away this man's chance to live. Very tragic!
yeah I call BULLSHIT on this story. He should have been checked on regular basis and if staff had DONE THEIR JOBS would have seen advancing sepsis. THis covid narrative is to coverup NEGLIGENCE period. I know of NO SURGEON who would have put that off for NINE hours with worsening symptoms if he was followed PROPERLY
In a country happy to permit high rates of historic levels of childhood poverty, homelessness and hunger it is no surprise that children will be happily sacrificed for short-term political expediency. Thank you Mike for your courage and thanks to your podcast crew.
I live in Coos Bay, Oregon. We have been experiencing a surge for the first time since the pandemic began. I personally only know of a handful of people who have ever been tested for covid. I think I've had a mile case, as has my husband, but never bothered to be tested. I know many whose behavior is the same. Clearly cases are WAY under estimated.
We had a similar experience, in Feb 2020 my wife and I had a short sharp mystery illness we caught from our son who worked in international hospitality business. At the time, we were struck by how infective it was. On hindsight it had many characteristics of Covid. But was it Covid? Possibly, but we don't know as there was no testing then.
I'm in Salem, Oregon and I recently tested positive with an at home test. BinaxNOW COVID-19 Antigen Self Test (FDA Approved) I got the J&J vaccine on August 4th and starting getting covid symptoms 10 days later. Ended up getting an at home test on the 16th and tested positive took the test again as it comes with 2 and yep for sure positive. Low grade fever from Sunday to Tuesday then just a regular head cold after that. Energy levels were great had a minor sore throat and pretty significant nasal congestion. Felt completely fine by Saturday the 14th. Next day Sunday took another test and was negative. Lingering effect though was no smell. Took another full week to get smell completely back. Never lost taste. ANYWAY POINT OF THIS IS HELL NO I DIDN'T NOTIFY MY DOCTOR OR REPORT IT SO YEAH MY CASE IS NOT IN THE SYSTEM JUST LIKE MANY MANY OTHERS.
Your measured analysis, unwavering candor, and brilliant intellect are only exceeded by your loving heart and beautiful soul, which so clearly infuse your podcasts, Dr. Osterholm. Thank you for your constant leadership and moral support. Never driven by ego, the personal vulnerability you bravely reveal makes your message even more accessible and reassuring to those of us who are just as exhausted from navigating the unexpected hairpin turns of this pandemic. With much gratitude, appreciation, and affection, I thank you.
It’s not over. The virus is mutating as we speak. We don’t know what the next mutation will be as a spreader. Natural immunity? The percentage of those who get infected will survive, but while they’re they’re sick, they’re contagious. Their contagiousness gives the virus all it needs to mutate. We will always 2 steps behind.
It would be interesting if Dr. O has any idea on how the Spanish flu pandemic ended? And whether that has implications for Covid? Did the world reach herd immunity? Why did it not become an endemic problem?
@@agoogleaccount2861 yes burned through until level of immunity reached and mutated (due to immunity) to background endemic level. People STILL DIE of influenza in 10's of thousands EACH SEASON in this country-remnants of spanish flu.
I think Australia is the ideal test case. We dealt with the ancestral SARS-CoV2 in 2020 via non pharmaceutical interventions. We had an outbreak of the ancestral SARS-CoV2 in NSW early in 2020, non pharmaceutical interventions were mild by comparison to what we have been doing currently. NSW screwed up and let 100's of infected passengers into the heart of Sydney at the start 2020 from a cruise ship, the Ruby Princess and other cruise ships. The current NSW outbreak was from a single case of the delta variant detected on the 16th of June 2021 from a driver who was infected transporting a FedEx aircrew to a hotel quarantine. We started hard lockdowns from June 2021. NSW won't start to ease lockdowns until at least 70% of the eligible population are fully vaccinated (IMHO that is far too low, with the increasing case numbers, due to lack of hospital capacity). We will be in lockdown till at least mid October. Even when lockdowns ease, we will still have universal mask mandates etc. The delta variant just kept spreading. We have a whole raft of restrictions, closed schools, wear masks indoors and outside ($500 fine for not wearing one) gatherings limited to no more than 2 people, all non essential businesses have been closed. Massive testing now with an average 0.2% case test positivity rate. Contact tracing is a huge part of the Australian efforts though case numbers are getting so high that the contact tracing can't keep up. Home antigen tests aren't available here. Tests are all PCR based. Vaccination for all healthcare workers is mandated as it is also being done for police. Australia now has 40% of the 16 years and up who are eligible have been fully vaccinated have been. We have around 40,000 more cases recorded from June 2021 to today in Australia. That is 10,000 more cases than we accumulated since the start of the pandemic till before June when we were at about 30,000 accumulated cases. I have been trying to convince Vincent Racaniello that delta is far more transmissible than the ancestral strain. He still feels that transmission is being driven by behavior. I have sent him the evidence of Australia. I can't convince Vincent (who I have great respect for) since he is a virologist not an epidemiologist he won't accept that delta is more infectious without the lab work, which can only be done in a BSL3 lab. He argues that even with the low CT values on a PCR that is not proof of the amount of infectious virus, since it is only showing RNA not viable virus. He wants to see specific tests on levels of viable infectious virus by lab work.
Excellent! Great set of data, care, and especially compassionate insight! Glad to hear global data and ‘crystal ball speculation’. Feel that many would benefit from meaningful communication about immune support, prophylaxis, and ‘at home’ treatments that are beneficial and reasonably safe. Feel that such messaging will benefit millions and greatly reduce risk, severity, and burdens on overwhelmed health care systems.
I agree entirely with views of Dr Theresa Schneider. Kids of the pandemic era will have had a different educational experience not necessarily a less adequate one. They will have learnt through on line and home education and be more technologically adept. They will have learnt the importance of resilience and sadly for some how to cope with suffering, in a way recent generations have not experienced.
Except most parents have to work. And it has been established for years that low-income kids fall behind over summers-what will 2 years out of school do for their learning? Unfortunately, the stay home option is only available for upper-income families, which often have an educated parent stay home and can afford tudors and extracurriculars. This is a travesty for the already vulnerable low-income and minority students.
@@jimgraham6722 What is "learnt"? What the kids have been taught in the last 30 years is the reason so many have followed the agenda without thinking for themselves. The 22-40 year old people I work with that have a college education add 2 three times because they were not taught 2 x 3 . . . a lot of them have to use their phone to do that These same people think that it is faster to take five steps to do a job that can be done in 2.
It's psychologically damaging for them not to form social groups and be able to socialise and learn along side others in their age group. Not to mention to trauma of the state of the world, which adults can't even cope with.
@@yourefuked8542 true schools in white western countries (US, UK, Australia, Canada) don't have education systems, theyre an ideological apparatus to make your children obey rules they don't understand, obey arbitrary authority, and get used to penal system of punishment.
0:41 - Intro 2:02 - Opening comments 5:07 - Dedication 7:42 - International situation 24:53 - US picture. 33:05 - Is the data giving us info on how well the vaccines are performing? 38:50 - Schools, schools, schools 58:47 - Revisiting & updating Dr Theresa Thayer Snyder's view on what we are catching kids up to 1:06:12 - This week's beautiful place 1:08:56 - Closing thoughts
I’m not even waiting for a delta outbreak in my daughter’s school to pull her out. As soon it was apparent that the school was no longer offering distance learning as an option and that reports of delta are affecting kids, I moved my daughter to a virtual school. I don’t want to deal with the hassle of having to worry and dealing with missed school days if there’s an outbreak. My sister’s daughters had to deal with that when there was a covid positive kid in their class and at the same time they had cough and colds. Thankfully, they were negative, but, the amount of worry and prevention they have to do (she has a newborn baby) is what she had to deal with. Feels like Russian roulette to me.
You are lucky that you have the luxury to make such a decision. Many parents have no choice but to work and their children have no place to go but school.
@@D9.805 Yes, I am grateful that I have that ability and that my husband can now fully work from home. I do recognize that many families cannot and believe that schools cannot completely close. Those who can do distance learning should to allow those who cannot have the needed distance to reduce infections.
I agree. I’m not sending my children to school, but I feel for those that have no option and need to think about food, rent, etc. There should be a discussion on how to ensure low-income kids can stay safe and continue to receive an education.
I agree. I’m not sending my children to school, but I feel for those that have no option and need to think about food, rent, etc. There should be a discussion on how to ensure low-income kids can stay safe and continue to receive an education.
I agree. I’m not sending my children to school, but I feel for those that have no option and need to think about food, rent, etc. There should be a discussion on how to ensure low-income kids can stay safe and continue to receive an education.
@@amartistandperfumer Yep. I agree with the sentiment. Full disclosure - although I do not trust CDC, Fauci and CO., big pharma and the ungodly hords of their comfy bed fellows, i did make a personal ORM (operational risk management) decision to vac. Am old grumpy guy with time, did my due diligence weedeating thru piles of Gov speak, lies thru omission, and just pure unadulterated BS to determined the risk benifit was in my favor. And these assclowns wonder why they have a trust issue with the ppl they are charged to serve! Everyone needs to make their own informed decision for personal health/wellness...at 65 plus mine is to enjoy as much as possible with my loved ones and the hordes of healthy young ppl on a trail at 11k plus, walking all day on a beach with my grandkids, riding a gnarly moutianbike course at Stanley Draper Lake, or kayaking the Buffalo or headwaters of the Arkansas.
My daughter pulled her kids out of school this week. She reached her limit w endless exposure, quarantine, returning to a school where there are no mask or vaccine mandates.
No need to give up yet, as nasal vaccine is in clinical trials. Analogous to home invasion, Block infection at the infectious nasal mucus membrane entry point. For now, use kn95 and N95s. There is still hope.
Agree, there is a chance both nasal spray vaccines and anti vitals will eventually be a game changer, however, they are tricky to develop so we have to be patient. Meanwhile we need to manage best we can with what tools we have.
I think American has accepted the fact you going to get it, the best practice is to be vaccinated, that is the best we can do. Everyone has accepted different risk factors some like you, mask, shots, distance, and ventilation. The majority at least 70% if not more, I believe will not follow this. We are lucky enough to get 50% vaccinated. BTW, powerful take on schools and expectations.
Depends on where one lives. Some parts of the country have a high percentage of vaccinated and are very careful with masking up, social distancing and other common sense precautions. Other states and areas have abysmal numbers….essentially a self-inflicted wound. I, for one, choose common sense.
I have two questions, I really hope they get answered by Dr. Osterholm... 1) Why can't we modify mRNA vaccines to combat the Delta Variant's mutated genome? From what I remember, this was the concensus when mRNA vaccines were first being advertised. 2) Can we expect this virus to become "endemic"? If yes, then that means, all of us will not only be infected by this virus, but also have this virus infect us MULTIPLE times throughout our lives, secondly, we can expect MANY mutations, potentially more deadly and transmissible. That means we will never escape the throes of this virus. Or is the answer no, which makes a little more sense to me, because if you have a vaccine that is 88% effective in preventing clinical disease + natural immunity, that would suggest that eventually the virus would run out of people to infect, even with breakthrough infections. Thanks for your time.
The Astrazeneca adeno vector virus vaccine has been modified for variants for which it has been less successful. The modified vaccine is in phase three trials. If successful, the revised vaccine should be released as a booster around Christmas.
@@pking5096 I sent Dr. O., the link to Dr. C's presentation I believe the day after the presentation along with my thoughts, none of which were good. I didn't have Dr. O's email address so I posted in the comments. I know he read it. He said he reads everything and I have no doubt he doesn't but this was not the right venue. I always hear him speak about all the emails he receives but I just now found it. I'm not very good with UA-cam. I was totally trashed by that presentation and of course it left me with more questions than answers. I don't do well in the "gray" areas and the pandemic is an ocean of "gray."
Look at Pfizer BioNtech press release 2/2021. Moderna spoke about their vaccine flexibility too about the same time. Didn't look that up. The silence from both is deafening.
Much respect to this guy. Every time I've seen him he gives a really good no BS approach to the pandemic. Too bad politics screwed this entire thing up. Don't give up on us Doctor O.
Osterholm says that Denmark can open up because 80% have been vaccinated but they have been opening for weeks. With 80% vaccinated, cases per day are the same as they were from March to June. They went down in June but back up in July.
Has the testing to detect those cases stayed the same coverage in the population? Do cases per day amount to the same proportion of hospitalizations and death? Are less people suffering severe disease?
@@yootuub301 Denmark tested 30 people per 1,000 in spring and that fell to 20 per 1,000 in June, 15 per 1,000 in July and between 10 and 14 per 1,000 in August.
I just want to mention that China is a country of 1.3 billion people, and its huge. When they do lockdown they are specific to a suburbs in a city or a small region. Majority of the population hasn't had to face any lockdown measures or even mask wearing at all. So it's not the case that their covid strategy has "taken a large toll on the population", it also hasn't taken the economic toll in China as it has in other countries for the same reason. They had a clear strategy from the beginning and had the resources, technology and man power to make it work.
I completely disagree with education professional you quoted. While I agree that school may be a risky setting at this time, no one can say with a straight face that extended time out of the classroom will not be detrimental to learning-especially for low-income and minority students. For God sakes, it is well established that many poor children fall behind in the course of a summer, while their parents work and they are not being engaged. I don’t know what the solution is, and there are always trade offs, but let’s not pretend that an extended absence from the classroom is not going to affect the long term development of our children, especially those that were already at a disadvantage to begin with.
Then why can’t people that want the option of remote learning for their children be able to choose that for their family? It’s not one size fits all. This virus and it’s long term effects are NOT known even a little bit. It’s not just a cold. I know that I would rather have my children avoid it due to that simple fact. Blood clots, nerves damaged any other sort of crap this thing brings. People should have the option to choose. Just as the idiots who choose to send their children out into the unknown without any protection
@@Justhere77 learn the real risks to kids. "long covid" in kids is largely a myth. but if you listen to the bubble head extremists on the news you'd think EVERY SINGLE KID is at SEVERE risk of IMMEDIATELY having SEVERE disease and DYING immediately.
@@monykalynf3604 yea because 18 months is plenty of time to study long term effects of this bioengineered virus. I’ll take my chances on avoiding it for myself and children. Because I’m not to familiar with colds that attack organs the way this does doc.
Thank you Dr. Olsterholm for speaking the truth and not sugar-coating information about Covid-19 and the variants. We need to know the truth and expect the truth from all public health experts and we certainly aren't getting that, except from you. You're consistently the only trusted source we have had throughout this pandemic. Thank you.
Do you take in to consideration our population is way less healthier after being locked up for the last 2 years. If we spent the last two years in getting our population healthier than we would be in better shape today regardless how delta is spreading.
I heard that children perhaps had lower cases of severe disease with earlier variants because their immune response was immature. If severe disease resulted from an over-robust immune response, what do older or immune suppressed people die of if their response is weak? Does the virus simply replicate until they’ve hijacked a threshold number of vital cells in vital organs? Or are there many ways to die? What is it about an immature immune system that prevents progression of viral replication to organ failure cascading to death?
In my town in Oregon we have full to overflowing hospitals, the Nat. Guard is here to help our understaffed hospitals, trailors being sent to hold dead bodies because funeral homes are overwhelmed, the air is thick with wildfire smoke so windows cant be opened, and our local elected officials are still denying the virus exists. The level of crazy is astounding. As long as our country is divided with part being anti-science, anti-gov, vigilante violence mentality and the rest of us are pro all--- we will not move forward to improve our collective lives. This level of divide is unsustainable and appears to be permanent. With qanon county commissioners denying all funding to mitigate the virus, my town will remain in the dark ages.
The level of misinformation is astounding and its almost to the point where the pandemic will become endemic. For all the people who followed all protocols; this is disheartening and alarming. It's the 20-30% of unvaccinated adults holding the 70-80% of vaccinated adults hostage. I just wish that the adults whom are unvaccinated would become the primary fuel source for the accountable deaths; then maybe some of the unvaccinated would join the vaccinated. I pray 🙏 hard that Covid-19 and all variants doesn't start "burning wood" with unvaccinated children and babies 😢 This would be an absolutely awful result of the highly irresponsible unvaccinated adults. Children don't have a choice to have a vaccine yet (11 and under), we have to protect the children. Get vaccinated, 6 feet social distancing and follow all additional protocols, please, do it for the kids and babies. In the future, when history is written into the history books, I want the young children and babies to commemorate our efforts and not shame us for lack of trying. Keep trying, please.
Dr. O. Thanks for the Frank discussion. So very sorry to hear of your close losses. A question about Vaccine if not really working. Have researchers looked at a different approach to fight this? Amongst the vaccine chain sequences. Like should they be targeting something else instead of the spike protein. And do humans have a natural occurrence of this spike protein in our cellular composition? I don't think so. And I READ THAT white tail deer in n.america your neck of the woods. 40% tested pos. For covid19 ANTIBODIES. So like is/not safe to eat Venison? And who covers that. Health dept? Or wildlife officials/management? Thx. So much. Your info valuable. Oh. So are they formulating PLAN. To provide Medical care to OUTPATIENTS. ? Because I'm a unemployed REGISTERED Nurse. No one is hiring. And have not heard of any retraining efforts. Thx.
Did we really think we could defeat one of the oldest ‘organisms’ on the planet with ‘Operation Warp Speed’? Such hubris. We’re going to learn another harsh lesson. There is no easy button.
@@newbootgoofin24 we aren't going back. The USA we had is gone. Denial won't work, bargaining won't work, anger won't work to bring any of it back. Don't worry though, acceptance is right around the corner for everyone. I think the best word to describe it is a reset. The schools we had are gone. The military we had is gone. The financial system we had is almost gone. Acceptance allows you to move on.
No easy button? Who said there was? Its vaccination (prime immune system for novel virus) PLUS proper masking (to lower viral innocuous- what goes IN and OUT) Both of those “buttons” assist your immune system. And then there is keeping some distance, washing hands, STAYING HOME IF SICK. All of these “buttons” seems people cant wrap their tiny individualistic minds around.
Is it true that the mortality rate for infected 0 - 18 yo in the US is .05%? And that all of the 260 children who died had severe co- morbidities, especially morbid obesity?
The vast majority of deaths have serious comorbidities, so I'd expect that to be especially true for the under 30 crowd. People really need to stop pretending that it's normal or okay to weigh 2x or 3x more than a healthy person.
If I keep contracting the virus then I won’t have waning immunity. Wouldn’t it make sense to get vaccinated (unless previously infected) then let nature take its course? That is essentially a booster
Nature is going to take its course regardless of how hard you fight it. Similar effects throughout the US regardless of mandates and how many jobs each state government killed make that pretty clear. You can't control a virus. You can only control yourself and improve your own health so you can be robust and handle whatever nature sends your way. You might be able to run and hide, but for that to actually work, the cost is probably prohibitively high (e.g. no human contact ever again).
Love this podcast--been listening since I heard on Rogan early last year. One thing we should be careful of is turning into South Australia, which is rolling out facial recognition software for its citizens to make sure they're following travel restrictions. All citizens. This is Orwellian--too high a cost for me when we could just incentivize people to provide vaccines--tax breaks, lower premiums, more access to non-essential places, etc. Even with only 1,000 deaths, that's far too steep a price to pay. It's totalitarian, and I'm not one of those guys who constantly rants about the government stealing our freedoms.
I really liked your take on kids in schools, our local school has just implemented outdoor masking. Here in WI pretty much everyone has gone back to their corners, so the tug of war will likely continue through at least '24. We have an (in my opinion) idiotic public mask mandate in which everyone has decided that hygene theater is better than actually having an adult discussion. (Yes, I know i'm usually a troll, but ultimately a tug of war will just wind up hurting many folks)
OUTDOOR MASKING? Dear god people have lost their ability to use rationale thought, instead ONLY thinking with their primitive lizard brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@patriciahoke4722 No, my reply was not my attempt at a subtle anti-vax statement. I strongly favor “vaccination, vaccination, vaccination” as currently the solution to the Covid-19 pandemic. I have already had the two Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinations, and I follow the media as to when I should get the third. Now, as to reply to your question: Yes, even though that Dr. Osterholm is not a medical doctor or an immunologist, he should be opining on about whether or not to have two or three doses. He has ample background as an accomplished epidemiologist to opine. Besides, questioning one’s qualifications to comment about something is the logical fallacy known as an ad hominem, directing a comment against a person instead of directing a comment to the position a person takes. Hence, my reply, “You don't have to be a hen to tell that an egg is rotten.” I am sorry that you misunderstood my reply. Indeed, I understood your questioning Dr. Osterholm’s not being a medical doctor or immunologist as your attempt as a subtle anti-vax statement. Thus, it turns out that each of us misunderstood the other’s comment as a subtle anti-vax statement when the opposite is so.
@@intensivecarecommunication77 He's one of the top experts in the field of viruses in the world. He's more than qualified. Hell he teaches medical students for crying out loud. He has multiple science degrees and degrees in MPH and his resume is hard to top.
The schools we had are gone. The schools we actually have today are unstable and unsafe mosh pits where the adults go to fight about everything. Then there is a lethal virus around too. Stay home with your kids if you can. Home is a far more stable, safe and therefore more effective environment to educate your kids in.
@dribbledrivedog wrong. The schools are even more unstable. Since you want to deal in small numbers, consider this. Teachers are literally getting their teeth knocked out. You want kids to witness that? Stop making excuses. Time for a paradigm shift. Our schools are not more stable than any typical crack house right now.
@@greorbowlfinder7078 I agree with what you said: “Stay home with your kids IF YOU CAN.” There are others who can’t and there are households who should not have kids in the first place. You’re painting a wide brush on the schools; although there are schools that do have violence, some do not. There has to have support for the kids that do not have the same privilege like I have right now. We cannot just snap our fingers and make sudden changes on how to support those kids. We cannot have CPS grabbing kids because they are hungry and have them find foster homes that can realistically stay home with these kids?
@@Downfall1990 we have other meal programs. Stop making excuses to hold onto something that doesn't exist anymore. The schools we had are gone. We need to reinvent a better way than holding onto the old joke we used to have. Why are you holding on to something that doesn't exist? Stable schools are gone.
@@Starcraftghost the schools we had are gone. The sooner people move onto something better the better off we will be. Your holding onto something that doesn't exist anymore.
About those leaky IM vaccines that fail to induce durable mucosal humoral immunity via NALT: "But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission" 😂
it would be interesting to hear from Osterholm about Rogan, who despite having both him and Hotez on the show, didn't learn anything. Indeed, ending up doing quite the opposite, as he has been championing all sorts of misinformation in the last few weeks.
And yet Rogan is doing just fine now. He got over the disease in three days. What does that say about the importance of physical fitness?? Meanwhile, fully-vaccinated Oscar De La Hoya is in the hospital. Think about it.
@@Lp78Ch always amusing watching simple minds at work. In his age range the mortality is less than 1%, alleged (not so) exceptional physical fitness is mostly irrelevant in how your body respond to a viral infection. Is the presence of other pathologies that can increase your chances of dying, not the other way around. A healthy individual that doesn't lift a single weight or run a single mile, has the same chance as him. Besides, for being so "powerful" he surely took a lot of sh!t, as he claimed, for fear of unsavory outcome, and for no reason. As everything he took hasn't shown any real benefit in controlled experiments, in survival against covid.
I used to wonder why Rogan didn’t invite Dr Osterholm again for a catch up talk, surely it would make for a very interesting podcast, over a year from the first one. Now I realise he doesn’t want to invite him because he would trash, through data, real scientific knowledge and common sense all the things he’s been saying lately about vaccines, treatments, conspiracy theories, etc. He doesn’t want anybody to contradict him, it seems, he’s so full of himself. The danger is that many people believe what Rogan says, like if you are fit you don’t need the vaccine and that Ivermectin almost miraculously cures COVID (and Big Pharma doesn’t want you to know that, of course).
@@abcdefjeje sadly enough, there in no amount of science, logic and evidence to get around wilful ignorance and delusion. I would surely love to be on his show and trash him in front of his audience.
Australia has more problems than just the Prime Minister. Enjoy your permanent lockdown. One-hour limit on outdoor exercise. Don't you dare watch the sunset.
You do remember what the "count" did when we were forced to wear a mask, right? It kept going up. Ever wonder why? Who wiped down all the things you touched after the last person did? You know, the ATM, to cooler doors at the store. The items somebody read the health facts on the side of the box and put it back on the shelf. The crapper door and handle at work, the coffee pot at work. The vending machines . . . Do a search and look at the mask people had on. Notice the gap at the bridge of the nose? What did that keep out? What did it keep in? Did the exhaled air head for the floor or was it sprayed and spread up and over your head stealing time from gravity to drag it to the floor? What size is this virus? What size particulate does a cloth mask that looks so cute stop with the gap at the bridge of the nose? Now for a simple math question, if there has been 216 million REPORTED cases out of 7.9 billion people on this rock what is the percentage of those who have had their immune system do its job and kick covid in the nuts without a drug that will not stop you from catching, spreading or dying from it?
Masks are kind of pointless when people breathe around and through them, and fail to wash their hands, especially after handling their filthy masks that they don't wash frequently enough.
@@patriciahoke4722 Right, they're helpful if you're going to be sneezing directly into someone's mouth. But I usually don't do that, and I hope you don't either.
I congratulate O for his persistence on school warnings. We can see rampant infections in Southern schools, tens of thousands of children infected. 19% of all new infections in Florida is in the age group 5-14.
😢 Makes me so worried about my little one. She is 6 and loves school 🏫 but masks are not required and I wish they were because she wears one. Social distancing seems to have gone out the window along with most of the common decency surrounding this virus, along with common sense. Reality is going to come back to haunt us, I'm praying for a child vaccine and quickly, please.
@@CatalinaFOIA I hope the children's vax comes quick, too. Bless your darling child, a mask mandate had better come soon at her school.
@@CatalinaFOIA Social distancing is impossible in schools.
Wow, two teacher die in Wacko Texas as result of COVID-19, 3days ago.
@@pking5096 wow
Mr. Osterhoim is a life raft in a sea of uncertainly. Thanks for guiding us thru this terrible time with your science, truth and hard facts. That's exactly what we need right now.
What a wonderful podcast! This is the only source of covid information that is willing to grapple with all issues that confuse and vex us in real time. Please continue with your form of excellence! We need you and more like you.
Please check out TWIV and Vincent Racaniello on COVID, Bogus Treatments, Vaccines, Variants
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Thank you Dr. Osterholm for a very empathic acknowledgement.
Dr Osterholm thanks again for the tough conversation. Many of us out here in the dark appreciate you and your good works.
Thank you all at CIDRAP for the helpful content yall put out!
Thank You! Dr. Osterholm for consistently and honestly keeping us Informed.
Dr. O is the best !
Thank you. I'm sorry for the man who died with one gallstone block as he waited in the ER for 9 hours to get surgery and then died bc he couldn't get help. It's excruciatingly painful. I know. I was very sick myself years ago with numerous gall stones. I got help immediately and was hospitalized for 5 days. So many un-vaxxed sick with delta took away this man's chance to live. Very tragic!
You bought into the narrative. So sad.
yeah I call BULLSHIT on this story. He should have been checked on regular basis and if staff had DONE THEIR JOBS would have seen advancing sepsis. THis covid narrative is to coverup NEGLIGENCE period. I know of NO SURGEON who would have put that off for NINE hours with worsening symptoms if he was followed PROPERLY
Many thanks again to Dr. O and the Cidrap team. We appreciate you!
In a country happy to permit high rates of historic levels of childhood poverty, homelessness and hunger it is no surprise that children will be happily sacrificed for short-term political expediency. Thank you Mike for your courage and thanks to your podcast crew.
I would like to add mass school shootings. Too many guns and to much opposition to control them.
I live in Coos Bay, Oregon. We have been experiencing a surge for the first time since the pandemic began. I personally only know of a handful of people who have ever been tested for covid. I think I've had a mile case, as has my husband, but never bothered to be tested. I know many whose behavior is the same. Clearly cases are WAY under estimated.
We had a similar experience, in Feb 2020 my wife and I had a short sharp mystery illness we caught from our son who worked in international hospitality business. At the time, we were struck by how infective it was. On hindsight it had many characteristics of Covid. But was it Covid? Possibly, but we don't know as there was no testing then.
I'm in Salem, Oregon and I recently tested positive with an at home test. BinaxNOW COVID-19 Antigen Self Test (FDA Approved) I got the J&J vaccine on August 4th and starting getting covid symptoms 10 days later. Ended up getting an at home test on the 16th and tested positive took the test again as it comes with 2 and yep for sure positive. Low grade fever from Sunday to Tuesday then just a regular head cold after that. Energy levels were great had a minor sore throat and pretty significant nasal congestion. Felt completely fine by Saturday the 14th. Next day Sunday took another test and was negative. Lingering effect though was no smell. Took another full week to get smell completely back. Never lost taste. ANYWAY POINT OF THIS IS HELL NO I DIDN'T NOTIFY MY DOCTOR OR REPORT IT SO YEAH MY CASE IS NOT IN THE SYSTEM JUST LIKE MANY MANY OTHERS.
@@jimgraham6722 You could get antibody test which could tell you if you have ever had Covid
@@bchollis1451 I could but not covered by insurance my Doctor told me about $150.
@@jimgraham6722 Your insurance is crap. Get another provider.
Thank you for this! And the information you share! The truth is so vital these days!
Your measured analysis, unwavering candor, and brilliant intellect are only exceeded by your loving heart and beautiful soul, which so clearly infuse your podcasts, Dr. Osterholm. Thank you for your constant leadership and moral support. Never driven by ego, the personal vulnerability you bravely reveal makes your message even more accessible and reassuring to those of us who are just as exhausted from navigating the unexpected
hairpin turns of this pandemic. With much gratitude, appreciation, and affection, I thank you.
It’s not over. The virus is mutating as we speak. We don’t know what the next mutation will be as a spreader.
Natural immunity? The percentage of those who get infected will survive, but while they’re they’re sick, they’re contagious. Their contagiousness gives the virus all it needs to mutate. We will always 2 steps behind.
This is a wonderfully measured review with a lot to offer us. Thank you.
It would be interesting if Dr. O has any idea on how the Spanish flu pandemic ended? And whether that has implications for Covid? Did the world reach herd immunity? Why did it not become an endemic problem?
Didn't it slowly evolve into regular influenza
@@agoogleaccount2861 yes burned through until level of immunity reached and mutated (due to immunity) to background endemic level. People STILL DIE of influenza in 10's of thousands EACH SEASON in this country-remnants of spanish flu.
I think Australia is the ideal test case. We dealt with the ancestral SARS-CoV2 in 2020 via non pharmaceutical interventions. We had an outbreak of the ancestral SARS-CoV2 in NSW early in 2020, non pharmaceutical interventions were mild by comparison to what we have been doing currently. NSW screwed up and let 100's of infected passengers into the heart of Sydney at the start 2020 from a cruise ship, the Ruby Princess and other cruise ships.
The current NSW outbreak was from a single case of the delta variant detected on the 16th of June 2021 from a driver who was infected transporting a FedEx aircrew to a hotel quarantine. We started hard lockdowns from June 2021. NSW won't start to ease lockdowns until at least 70% of the eligible population are fully vaccinated (IMHO that is far too low, with the increasing case numbers, due to lack of hospital capacity). We will be in lockdown till at least mid October. Even when lockdowns ease, we will still have universal mask mandates etc.
The delta variant just kept spreading. We have a whole raft of restrictions, closed schools, wear masks indoors and outside ($500 fine for not wearing one) gatherings limited to no more than 2 people, all non essential businesses have been closed. Massive testing now with an average 0.2% case test positivity rate. Contact tracing is a huge part of the Australian efforts though case numbers are getting so high that the contact tracing can't keep up.
Home antigen tests aren't available here. Tests are all PCR based. Vaccination for all healthcare workers is mandated as it is also being done for police. Australia now has 40% of the 16 years and up who are eligible have been fully vaccinated have been. We have around 40,000 more cases recorded from June 2021 to today in Australia. That is 10,000 more cases than we accumulated since the start of the pandemic till before June when we were at about 30,000 accumulated cases.
I have been trying to convince Vincent Racaniello that delta is far more transmissible than the ancestral strain. He still feels that transmission is being driven by behavior. I have sent him the evidence of Australia. I can't convince Vincent (who I have great respect for) since he is a virologist not an epidemiologist he won't accept that delta is more infectious without the lab work, which can only be done in a BSL3 lab. He argues that even with the low CT values on a PCR that is not proof of the amount of infectious virus, since it is only showing RNA not viable virus. He wants to see specific tests on levels of viable infectious virus by lab work.
I love it when you say: “my crystal ball”.
Excellent! Great set of data, care, and especially compassionate insight! Glad to hear global data and ‘crystal ball speculation’. Feel that many would benefit from meaningful communication about immune support, prophylaxis, and ‘at home’ treatments that are beneficial and reasonably safe. Feel that such messaging will benefit millions and greatly reduce risk, severity, and burdens on overwhelmed health care systems.
Thanks Dr Osterholm, your advice and commentary is much appreciated.
Thank you for your podcast.
Susan what a wonderful question! What is “safe” schools?
I agree entirely with views of Dr Theresa Schneider.
Kids of the pandemic era will have had a different educational experience not necessarily a less adequate one.
They will have learnt through on line and home education and be more technologically adept. They will have learnt the importance of resilience and sadly for some how to cope with suffering, in a way recent generations have not experienced.
Except most parents have to work. And it has been established for years that low-income kids fall behind over summers-what will 2 years out of school do for their learning? Unfortunately, the stay home option is only available for upper-income families, which often have an educated parent stay home and can afford tudors and extracurriculars. This is a travesty for the already vulnerable low-income and minority students.
@@D9.805 True, sadly. Will need programs like GI Bill to provide these kids a chance.
@@jimgraham6722 What is "learnt"?
What the kids have been taught in the last 30 years is the reason so many have followed the agenda without thinking for themselves.
The 22-40 year old people I work with that have a college education add 2 three times because they were not taught 2 x 3 . . . a lot of them have to use their phone to do that
These same people think that it is faster to take five steps to do a job that can be done in 2.
It's psychologically damaging for them not to form social groups and be able to socialise and learn along side others in their age group. Not to mention to trauma of the state of the world, which adults can't even cope with.
@@yourefuked8542 true schools in white western countries (US, UK, Australia, Canada) don't have education systems, theyre an ideological apparatus to make your children obey rules they don't understand, obey arbitrary authority, and get used to penal system of punishment.
0:41 - Intro
2:02 - Opening comments
5:07 - Dedication
7:42 - International situation
24:53 - US picture.
33:05 - Is the data giving us info on how well the vaccines are performing?
38:50 - Schools, schools, schools
58:47 - Revisiting & updating Dr Theresa Thayer Snyder's view on what we are catching kids up to
1:06:12 - This week's beautiful place
1:08:56 - Closing thoughts
I’m not even waiting for a delta outbreak in my daughter’s school to pull her out. As soon it was apparent that the school was no longer offering distance learning as an option and that reports of delta are affecting kids, I moved my daughter to a virtual school. I don’t want to deal with the hassle of having to worry and dealing with missed school days if there’s an outbreak.
My sister’s daughters had to deal with that when there was a covid positive kid in their class and at the same time they had cough and colds. Thankfully, they were negative, but, the amount of worry and prevention they have to do (she has a newborn baby) is what she had to deal with. Feels like Russian roulette to me.
You are lucky that you have the luxury to make such a decision. Many parents have no choice but to work and their children have no place to go but school.
@@D9.805 Yes, I am grateful that I have that ability and that my husband can now fully work from home. I do recognize that many families cannot and believe that schools cannot completely close. Those who can do distance learning should to allow those who cannot have the needed distance to reduce infections.
I agree. I’m not sending my children to school, but I feel for those that have no option and need to think about food, rent, etc. There should be a discussion on how to ensure low-income kids can stay safe and continue to receive an education.
I agree. I’m not sending my children to school, but I feel for those that have no option and need to think about food, rent, etc. There should be a discussion on how to ensure low-income kids can stay safe and continue to receive an education.
I agree. I’m not sending my children to school, but I feel for those that have no option and need to think about food, rent, etc. There should be a discussion on how to ensure low-income kids can stay safe and continue to receive an education.
Thank you
Still no talk about treatments?
See MedCram. Doctor Osterholm, a non-medical doctor, probably can't be expected to express publicly on proven therapies.
B Ockenfels he feels free to express publicly about vaccines though.
@@amartistandperfumer Yep. I agree with the sentiment. Full disclosure - although I do not trust CDC, Fauci and CO., big pharma and the ungodly hords of their comfy bed fellows, i did make a personal ORM (operational risk management) decision to vac. Am old grumpy guy with time, did my due diligence weedeating thru piles of Gov speak, lies thru omission, and just pure unadulterated BS to determined the risk benifit was in my favor. And these assclowns wonder why they have a trust issue with the ppl they are charged to serve!
Everyone needs to make their own informed decision for personal health/wellness...at 65 plus mine is to enjoy as much as possible with my loved ones and the hordes of healthy young ppl on a trail at 11k plus, walking all day on a beach with my grandkids, riding a gnarly moutianbike course at Stanley Draper Lake, or kayaking the Buffalo or headwaters of the Arkansas.
@@bockenfels2021 Please, who is "CO?" Thanks!
@@janmac218 company
Thank you Dr O!
My daughter pulled her kids out of school this week. She reached her limit w endless exposure, quarantine, returning to a school where there are no mask or vaccine mandates.
No need to give up yet, as nasal vaccine is in clinical trials. Analogous to home invasion, Block infection at the infectious nasal mucus membrane entry point. For now, use kn95 and N95s. There is still hope.
Agree, there is a chance both nasal spray vaccines and anti vitals will eventually be a game changer, however, they are tricky to develop so we have to be patient. Meanwhile we need to manage best we can with what tools we have.
Ironically our currently public health order discourages use of KN95 an N95 as things that should only be used by healthcare professionals.
Good luck getting your hands on a n95 lol
@@nsboost Costco sells NIOSH certified N95 now.
I think American has accepted the fact you going to get it, the best practice is to be vaccinated, that is the best we can do. Everyone has accepted different risk factors some like you, mask, shots, distance, and ventilation. The majority at least 70% if not more, I believe will not follow this. We are lucky enough to get 50% vaccinated. BTW, powerful take on schools and expectations.
Depends on where one lives. Some parts of the country have a high percentage of vaccinated and are very careful with masking up, social distancing and other common sense precautions. Other states and areas have abysmal numbers….essentially a self-inflicted wound. I, for one, choose common sense.
I have two questions, I really hope they get answered by Dr. Osterholm...
1) Why can't we modify mRNA vaccines to combat the Delta Variant's mutated genome? From what I remember, this was the concensus when mRNA vaccines were first being advertised.
2) Can we expect this virus to become "endemic"? If yes, then that means, all of us will not only be infected by this virus, but also have this virus infect us MULTIPLE times throughout our lives, secondly, we can expect MANY mutations, potentially more deadly and transmissible. That means we will never escape the throes of this virus. Or is the answer no, which makes a little more sense to me, because if you have a vaccine that is 88% effective in preventing clinical disease + natural immunity, that would suggest that eventually the virus would run out of people to infect, even with breakthrough infections.
Thanks for your time.
England seems to moving toward endemic. Dr. CAMPBELL on youtube, video called announcement.
The Astrazeneca adeno vector virus vaccine has been modified for variants for which it has been less successful. The modified vaccine is in phase three trials. If successful, the revised vaccine should be released as a booster around Christmas.
@@pking5096 I sent Dr. O., the link to Dr. C's presentation I believe the day after the presentation along with my thoughts, none of which were good. I didn't have Dr. O's email address so I posted in the comments. I know he read it. He said he reads everything and I have no doubt he doesn't but this was not the right venue. I always hear him speak about all the emails he receives but I just now found it. I'm not very good with UA-cam. I was totally trashed by that presentation and of course it left me with more questions than answers. I don't do well in the "gray" areas and the pandemic is an ocean of "gray."
@@janmac218 This entire situation is grey, sending kids back to school with a small mask for protection does not make sense.
Anyways be safe.
Look at Pfizer BioNtech press release 2/2021. Moderna spoke about their vaccine flexibility too about the same time. Didn't look that up. The silence from both is deafening.
Much respect to this guy. Every time I've seen him he gives a really good no BS approach to the pandemic.
Too bad politics screwed this entire thing up. Don't give up on us Doctor O.
Osterholm says that Denmark can open up because 80% have been vaccinated but they have been opening for weeks. With 80% vaccinated, cases per day are the same as they were from March to June. They went down in June but back up in July.
Has the testing to detect those cases stayed the same coverage in the population? Do cases per day amount to the same proportion of hospitalizations and death? Are less people suffering severe disease?
@@yootuub301 Denmark tested 30 people per 1,000 in spring and that fell to 20 per 1,000 in June, 15 per 1,000 in July and between 10 and 14 per 1,000 in August.
No need to give, the nasal vaccine is coming and so we can finally prevent infection at the nasal entry point
I just want to mention that China is a country of 1.3 billion people, and its huge. When they do lockdown they are specific to a suburbs in a city or a small region. Majority of the population hasn't had to face any lockdown measures or even mask wearing at all. So it's not the case that their covid strategy has "taken a large toll on the population", it also hasn't taken the economic toll in China as it has in other countries for the same reason. They had a clear strategy from the beginning and had the resources, technology and man power to make it work.
I completely disagree with education professional you quoted. While I agree that school may be a risky setting at this time, no one can say with a straight face that extended time out of the classroom will not be detrimental to learning-especially for low-income and minority students. For God sakes, it is well established that many poor children fall behind in the course of a summer, while their parents work and they are not being engaged. I don’t know what the solution is, and there are always trade offs, but let’s not pretend that an extended absence from the classroom is not going to affect the long term development of our children, especially those that were already at a disadvantage to begin with.
Then why can’t people that want the option of remote learning for their children be able to choose that for their family? It’s not one size fits all. This virus and it’s long term effects are NOT known even a little bit. It’s not just a cold. I know that I would rather have my children avoid it due to that simple fact. Blood clots, nerves damaged any other sort of crap this thing brings. People should have the option to choose. Just as the idiots who choose to send their children out into the unknown without any protection
Obviously, if you have the ability, don’t put your child in school-it’s a no brainer. Many do not have the choice.
@@Justhere77 learn the real risks to kids. "long covid" in kids is largely a myth. but if you listen to the bubble head extremists on the news you'd think EVERY SINGLE KID is at SEVERE risk of IMMEDIATELY having SEVERE disease and DYING immediately.
@@monykalynf3604 yea because 18 months is plenty of time to study long term effects of this bioengineered virus. I’ll take my chances on avoiding it for myself and children. Because I’m not to familiar with colds that attack organs the way this does doc.
Thank you Dr. Olsterholm for speaking the truth and not sugar-coating information about Covid-19 and the variants. We need to know the truth and expect the truth from all public health experts and we certainly aren't getting that, except from you. You're consistently the only trusted source we have had throughout this pandemic. Thank you.
Do you take in to consideration our population is way less healthier after being locked up for the last 2 years. If we spent the last two years in getting our population healthier than we would be in better shape today regardless how delta is spreading.
I heard that children perhaps had lower cases of severe disease with earlier variants because their immune response was immature. If severe disease resulted from an over-robust immune response, what do older or immune suppressed people die of if their response is weak? Does the virus simply replicate until they’ve hijacked a threshold number of vital cells in vital organs? Or are there many ways to die? What is it about an immature immune system that prevents progression of viral replication to organ failure cascading to death?
They have zero idea what this thing is. What kinda cold attacks organs and the nerves? I’ll take my chances on avoiding this thing as long as possible
@@Justhere77 Actually it was your own immune response, if it overreacted, that put you in danger. Look up “cytokine storm”.
In my town in Oregon we have full to overflowing hospitals, the Nat. Guard is here to help our understaffed hospitals, trailors being sent to hold dead bodies because funeral homes are overwhelmed, the air is thick with wildfire smoke so windows cant be opened, and our local elected officials are still denying the virus exists. The level of crazy is astounding.
As long as our country is divided with part being anti-science, anti-gov, vigilante violence mentality and the rest of us are pro all--- we will not move forward to improve our collective lives. This level of divide is unsustainable and appears to be permanent. With qanon county commissioners denying all funding to mitigate the virus, my town will remain in the dark ages.
The level of misinformation is astounding and its almost to the point where the pandemic will become endemic. For all the people who followed all protocols; this is disheartening and alarming. It's the 20-30% of unvaccinated adults holding the 70-80% of vaccinated adults hostage. I just wish that the adults whom are unvaccinated would become the primary fuel source for the accountable deaths; then maybe some of the unvaccinated would join the vaccinated.
I pray 🙏 hard that Covid-19 and all variants doesn't start "burning wood" with unvaccinated children and babies 😢 This would be an absolutely awful result of the highly irresponsible unvaccinated adults. Children don't have a choice to have a vaccine yet (11 and under), we have to protect the children. Get vaccinated, 6 feet social distancing and follow all additional protocols, please, do it for the kids and babies. In the future, when history is written into the history books, I want the young children and babies to commemorate our efforts and not shame us for lack of trying. Keep trying, please.
The public and school staff have been pitted against each other to dustract from the non existent safety measures in the classroom
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Dr. O. Thanks for the Frank discussion. So very sorry to hear of your close losses.
A question about Vaccine if not really working. Have researchers looked at a different approach to fight this? Amongst the vaccine chain sequences. Like should they be targeting something else instead of the spike protein. And do humans have a natural occurrence of this spike protein in our cellular composition? I don't think so. And I READ THAT white tail deer in n.america your neck of the woods. 40% tested pos. For covid19 ANTIBODIES. So like is/not safe to eat Venison? And who covers that. Health dept? Or wildlife officials/management? Thx. So much. Your info valuable. Oh. So are they formulating PLAN. To provide Medical care to OUTPATIENTS. ? Because I'm a unemployed REGISTERED Nurse. No one is hiring. And have not heard of any retraining efforts. Thx.
Did we really think we could defeat one of the oldest ‘organisms’ on the planet with ‘Operation Warp Speed’? Such hubris.
We’re going to learn another harsh lesson. There is no easy button.
Our exceptional hubris and rugged individualism will save us.
Yes there is. We could go back to normal and stop slowing the spread. We can't prolong this any farther.
@@newbootgoofin24 we aren't going back. The USA we had is gone. Denial won't work, bargaining won't work, anger won't work to bring any of it back. Don't worry though, acceptance is right around the corner for everyone. I think the best word to describe it is a reset. The schools we had are gone. The military we had is gone. The financial system we had is almost gone. Acceptance allows you to move on.
No easy button? Who said there was? Its vaccination (prime immune system for novel virus) PLUS proper masking (to lower viral innocuous- what goes IN and OUT) Both of those “buttons” assist your immune system. And then there is keeping some distance, washing hands, STAYING HOME IF SICK. All of these “buttons” seems people cant wrap their tiny individualistic minds around.
@@newbootgoofin24 - we could do that…..let the virus run rampant and totally collapse our healthcare system….or we could continue saving lives.
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Is it true that the mortality rate for infected 0 - 18 yo in the US is .05%? And that all of the 260 children who died had severe co- morbidities, especially morbid obesity?
No. Neither of those things are true.
@@xellos6882 actually both are true. CDC figures. I looked it up.
The vast majority of deaths have serious comorbidities, so I'd expect that to be especially true for the under 30 crowd. People really need to stop pretending that it's normal or okay to weigh 2x or 3x more than a healthy person.
@@xellos6882 You have just proven that Osterholm preaches to the dummies. Only complete morons hang on to his every word.
@@Lp78Ch oh look who it is!!!
Chris Dall, Where is the link you spoke of to Dr. Jenna's talk?
Very informative podcast on Covid 19 in children and the role of school settings in transmission
If I keep contracting the virus then I won’t have waning immunity. Wouldn’t it make sense to get vaccinated (unless previously infected) then let nature take its course? That is essentially a booster
Yea keep letting a virus that they know very little about to invade your body. Great idea
Nature is going to take its course regardless of how hard you fight it. Similar effects throughout the US regardless of mandates and how many jobs each state government killed make that pretty clear.
You can't control a virus. You can only control yourself and improve your own health so you can be robust and handle whatever nature sends your way. You might be able to run and hide, but for that to actually work, the cost is probably prohibitively high (e.g. no human contact ever again).
Love this podcast--been listening since I heard on Rogan early last year. One thing we should be careful of is turning into South Australia, which is rolling out facial recognition software for its citizens to make sure they're following travel restrictions. All citizens. This is Orwellian--too high a cost for me when we could just incentivize people to provide vaccines--tax breaks, lower premiums, more access to non-essential places, etc. Even with only 1,000 deaths, that's far too steep a price to pay. It's totalitarian, and I'm not one of those guys who constantly rants about the government stealing our freedoms.
58:50 So well said.
I really liked your take on kids in schools, our local school has just implemented outdoor masking. Here in WI pretty much everyone has gone back to their corners, so the tug of war will likely continue through at least '24. We have an (in my opinion) idiotic public mask mandate in which everyone has decided that hygene theater is better than actually having an adult discussion. (Yes, I know i'm usually a troll, but ultimately a tug of war will just wind up hurting many folks)
OUTDOOR MASKING? Dear god people have lost their ability to use rationale thought, instead ONLY thinking with their primitive lizard brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy effing shit! This is not the flu!!!!
He's not a medical doctor, or an immunologist, should he be opining on whether to have two or three doses?
You don't have to be a hen to tell that an egg is rotten.
@@intensivecarecommunication77 I'm assuming that is your attempt at a subtle anti-vax statement. Thanks for prolonging the pandemic unnecessarily.
@@patriciahoke4722 No, my reply was not my attempt at a subtle anti-vax statement. I strongly favor “vaccination, vaccination, vaccination” as currently the solution to the Covid-19 pandemic. I have already had the two Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinations, and I follow the media as to when I should get the third. Now, as to reply to your question: Yes, even though that Dr. Osterholm is not a medical doctor or an immunologist, he should be opining on about whether or not to have two or three doses. He has ample background as an accomplished epidemiologist to opine.
Besides, questioning one’s qualifications to comment about something is the logical fallacy known as an ad hominem, directing a comment against a person instead of directing a comment to the position a person takes. Hence, my reply, “You don't have to be a hen to tell that an egg is rotten.” I am sorry that you misunderstood my reply. Indeed, I understood your questioning Dr. Osterholm’s not being a medical doctor or immunologist as your attempt as a subtle anti-vax statement. Thus, it turns out that each of us misunderstood the other’s comment as a subtle anti-vax statement when the opposite is so.
@@intensivecarecommunication77 He's one of the top experts in the field of viruses in the world. He's more than qualified. Hell he teaches medical students for crying out loud. He has multiple science degrees and degrees in MPH and his resume is hard to top.
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The schools we had are gone. The schools we actually have today are unstable and unsafe mosh pits where the adults go to fight about everything. Then there is a lethal virus around too. Stay home with your kids if you can. Home is a far more stable, safe and therefore more effective environment to educate your kids in.
@dribbledrivedog wrong. The schools are even more unstable. Since you want to deal in small numbers, consider this. Teachers are literally getting their teeth knocked out. You want kids to witness that? Stop making excuses. Time for a paradigm shift. Our schools are not more stable than any typical crack house right now.
@@greorbowlfinder7078 Youre cherry picking to fit your view. Many kids only get lunch because of meals provided,you've no idea
@@greorbowlfinder7078 I agree with what you said: “Stay home with your kids IF YOU CAN.” There are others who can’t and there are households who should not have kids in the first place. You’re painting a wide brush on the schools; although there are schools that do have violence, some do not. There has to have support for the kids that do not have the same privilege like I have right now. We cannot just snap our fingers and make sudden changes on how to support those kids. We cannot have CPS grabbing kids because they are hungry and have them find foster homes that can realistically stay home with these kids?
@@Downfall1990 we have other meal programs. Stop making excuses to hold onto something that doesn't exist anymore. The schools we had are gone. We need to reinvent a better way than holding onto the old joke we used to have. Why are you holding on to something that doesn't exist? Stable schools are gone.
@@Starcraftghost the schools we had are gone. The sooner people move onto something better the better off we will be. Your holding onto something that doesn't exist anymore.
About those leaky IM vaccines that fail to induce durable mucosal humoral immunity via NALT:
"But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission" 😂
it would be interesting to hear from Osterholm about Rogan, who despite having both him and Hotez on the show, didn't learn anything. Indeed, ending up doing quite the opposite, as he has been championing all sorts of misinformation in the last few weeks.
And yet Rogan is doing just fine now. He got over the disease in three days. What does that say about the importance of physical fitness?? Meanwhile, fully-vaccinated Oscar De La Hoya is in the hospital. Think about it.
@@Lp78Ch always amusing watching simple minds at work. In his age range the mortality is less than 1%, alleged (not so) exceptional physical fitness is mostly irrelevant in how your body respond to a viral infection. Is the presence of other pathologies that can increase your chances of dying, not the other way around. A healthy individual that doesn't lift a single weight or run a single mile, has the same chance as him. Besides, for being so "powerful" he surely took a lot of sh!t, as he claimed, for fear of unsavory outcome, and for no reason. As everything he took hasn't shown any real benefit in controlled experiments, in survival against covid.
I used to wonder why Rogan didn’t invite Dr Osterholm again for a catch up talk, surely it would make for a very interesting podcast, over a year from the first one. Now I realise he doesn’t want to invite him because he would trash, through data, real scientific knowledge and common sense all the things he’s been saying lately about vaccines, treatments, conspiracy theories, etc. He doesn’t want anybody to contradict him, it seems, he’s so full of himself. The danger is that many people believe what Rogan says, like if you are fit you don’t need the vaccine and that Ivermectin almost miraculously cures COVID (and Big Pharma doesn’t want you to know that, of course).
@@abcdefjeje sadly enough, there in no amount of science, logic and evidence to get around wilful ignorance and delusion.
I would surely love to be on his show and trash him in front of his audience.
Cute letter, but it's not a post pandemic world. Gotta keep those grades up so they don't eff up their S.A.T's.
We have a lazy primeminister in Australia 🇦🇺
Australia has more problems than just the Prime Minister. Enjoy your permanent lockdown. One-hour limit on outdoor exercise. Don't you dare watch the sunset.
@@Lp78Ch thanks I am not in lockdown.... I have been locked down for no more than 3 days since March last year. Quick action is the key.
@@pelicanformation3802 Do you live on Tasmania??? I think the rest of Australia is in deep, deep trouble. I have family in Melbourne.
@@Lp78Ch Queensland. No cases here
Way to spread mask skepticism Osterholm (teacher). Not a good example.
You do remember what the "count" did when we were forced to wear a mask, right? It kept going up.
Ever wonder why?
Who wiped down all the things you touched after the last person did? You know, the ATM, to cooler doors at the store. The items somebody read the health facts on the side of the box and put it back on the shelf. The crapper door and handle at work, the coffee pot at work. The vending machines . . .
Do a search and look at the mask people had on. Notice the gap at the bridge of the nose?
What did that keep out? What did it keep in?
Did the exhaled air head for the floor or was it sprayed and spread up and over your head stealing time from gravity to drag it to the floor?
What size is this virus? What size particulate does a cloth mask that looks so cute stop with the gap at the bridge of the nose?
Now for a simple math question, if there has been 216 million REPORTED cases out of 7.9 billion people on this rock what is the percentage of those who have had their immune system do its job and kick covid in the nuts without a drug that will not stop you from catching, spreading or dying from it?
Masks are kind of pointless when people breathe around and through them, and fail to wash their hands, especially after handling their filthy masks that they don't wash frequently enough.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 Masks worn over the mouth and nose are not pointless.
@@patriciahoke4722 Right, they're helpful if you're going to be sneezing directly into someone's mouth. But I usually don't do that, and I hope you don't either.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 No. They're helpful in other ways too. What you say is not accurate.
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Mu mu? It's not a big dress.
More scarient nonsense