When playing a 78rpm record, you will have to change the needle/stylus to a 78 needle, using the 45rpm needle is not recommended. Great video as usual.
+Gerry K yeah i know, i figured for the sake of the video it probably wouldnt be so bad though. it looks like ill be going back to my old record player that actually works pretty well.
I know this is an old comment on an old video, but I just wanted to point out that using a micro groove stylus (for 45’s and lp’s) on a wide-groove (78) record won’t actually hurt anything, it just won’t sound as good.
Wow, I thought I recognized the music from the sting 8 track you played. I haven't seen the movie so I knew it wasn't from that. Turns out it's the loading screen from Bioshock Infinite. That game series is awesome. Old music like that always reminds me of Rapture and Columbia.
One other difference is Edison records move the needle in one plane and RCA Victor are in the perpendicular plane. I think Edison grooves move the stylus horizontally and Victrola were vertical. This can be a problem with extra noise using modern electronic reproduction.
My brother and I had a similar one as a kid and we used it for the cassette and stereo amplifier functions, but I don't recall us using the turntable/record changer, or if that worked at all during our lifetime.
Great Video Rinoa... I did the same thing with my first record player when i was younger.. Those early 78rpm records where intended to be played with a steel needle. You need to find your self a nice early acoustic phonograph and you will find your early 78's will sound much clearer.. Not to mention the fun Time travailing experience of listening to recorded music with out the aid of electricity.. :)
That was about as nice as "compact tabletop" stereos got in the late 1970s. The BIC changer is of higher quality than the typical plastic-platter BSRs of that era. If you can find a replacement for the clip that keeps the platter on, the automatic spindle will probably work (it should point toward the stand at the left-rear). This machine is worth preserving.
A coworker of mine had one of these in 1980's. $10 for that is a STEAL. Unlike any other integrated system I've seen, it is NOT junk! It's a high-quality system. Too bad the speakers didn't come with it.
The record player may be stuck on. Some of these old stereos did turn on by starting the record changer but you had the answer later on in the video. Thank you for sharing.
I'm slightly old-school so this brings back a few memories! One thing I can think of to do (if you want) is to take the tape off the motor side and put it on the platter side. That way, you still get the desired affect but you can also put your parts back (for that sense of completion). Of course, the ratio/thickness would probably be different. Great vid! ;D
Nice my family had almost the same model. Instead of the cassette player. It had a 8 tracks storage bay and I think it could play 33,45&78s RPM records. Nice to see at least 1 had survived the 1970's!
Get an electronic circuit like a variable speed drive and speed up the motor electronically. Also use a 0.3 mm stylus and set it up with a mono switch for your 78 RPM payback. It will reduce the record scratch noise in mono and the larger radius stylus will stay on the sound portion of the record groove.
If you are going to play 78 rpm records you should probably get a proper needle for them. The grooves are different and the current needle will probably damage the records over time.
i was kinda disappointed with this record player since it only has 33 and 45rpm. i'm thinking maybe i can replace the motor upgrade it to do all 4 speeds so i can listen to my records. and maybe modify it to do more things too. like maybe make a wood lid for it to replace that plastic cover thats all broken up.
Can you please let me know what is the model of this receiver? I want to find one for my dad as a gift since he used to have one back in the 80's when I was born but it got stolen, he still keeps the Allegro 3000 speakers that came with it
78s too? Man we share a lot of interests haha. The only bad thing about them is the disappointment you feel in yourself when you break one, or at least a rare/well known song. But you can get 78s that were made as late as the early 70s! South Africa were still releasing tracks on 78 till I believe 1971, the updated 33rpm and 45rpm hadn't quite made its way over to them. Also, possibly a fun project, try dissolving broken 78s in acetone, it turns to a syrup like consistency and makes a great wood stain, sort of a deep Amber colour (the fumes are pretty bad though, whilst dissolving) nevertheless, great video as usual and can't wait to see more!
on a Patreon video i recently broke one of my favorite shellac records, and i've been trying to bond it back together using acetone but i cant get acetone to melt the record. have had chunks of a record in acetone for a week now and all its doing is breaking down into a powder on the bottom leaving the acetone clear. i may try other solvents. i was thinking i could do the same thing that i do with acetone and ABS to make ABS glue for broken 3d prints. no clue why it wont dissolve.
I wanted to get an old looking system like that but modify the internals to DAB, Bluetooth and internet radio but all function with the old controls. Would be pretty cool.
I've put Bluetooth in these. It's not hard to do. For DAB and/or Internet radio, I just use a smart phone or tablet via the Bluetooth - it's really not worth the hassle of building those directly in.
Do you per chance know what stylus/cartridge this player uses? I have the exact same Zenith but I can’t figure out what stylus it uses because mine doesn’t have one.
This is a nice stereo. It is not unusual to find units with four media sources in one unit, however, I do have to agree that some of the record changers in some stereos do not have all the speeds. I have three turntables myself. One only plays 33 and 45 records. Another one plays 33, 45 and 78rpm; although the 78rpms aren't sounding quite right. The brand is a 1byone modern turntable with pitch control, anti-skate and counter weight adjustments. I think the needle is the issue for 78rpms. It plays 33s and 45s super well. When I contacted 1byone they said that the needle was made to play both LPs and 78s with no issue so not sure what the challenge is. Its not a huge issue because my third turntable is my mom and dad's Magnavox stereo console which I had repaired two years ago. It plays all speeds including 16rpm. In case you wondered what 16rpm was used for; there were radio transcribed records for broadcasts. Talking books for the blind and visually impaired were on 16rpm records and the coolest application is the Seeburg Music Library. With those records you can have up to almost 5 hours with just 7 records. Most were destroyed when they were used in businesses but fortunately some of the records were saved and are now collectables. There's even a Seeburg Music radio station on the internet known as Seeburg 1000. It's amazing.
I have a ELECTRO BRAND Stereo Receiver with turntable and 8 track player I fixed but now I’m having problems getting audio out of the speakers, just faint audio. Any advice. Speakers work fine on other system. MODEL NO: 6575
I have 2 record players, one is the same one but the cover is broken while the other one is absolutely fine. Idk how the other one is in mint condition
This one is from BIC (originally British Industries Corp.), a Long Island importer of Garrard, LEAK and Warfdale that introduced their own line of equipment when those brands fell out of favor. Their changers were designed by Voice Of Music and built by Maestro.
Nálunk Videotonok, Orionok voltak mind rádióban, magnóban, később a 80-as években hifi berendezésekben. Voltak persze orsós szalagos magnók is, BRG az Magyar gyártmányú volt, Tesla az Csehszlovák, Unitra pedig Lengyel
It would be reasonably easy to re-purpose an old servo motor to run off an Arduino motor shield and get any speed you want out of that record player. Then you could even match the weird early speeds of 60-130RPM along with 8 1/3 and 16 2/3 which was often used for voice recordings.
+kuhrd yeah im thinking about doing something similar. although this has some issues that i didnt show, like i have to tape 7 quarters to the back of the arm to keep it from grinding the head into the record and squeekung really loud. i may just try to sell it at my antique store booth
This is probably a long shot considering this video is 3 years old... but what are you using to wipe down the record player towards the end? I'm trying to refurbish and clean up my friend's record play for christmas and yours is the only video of this Zenith model.
Initially I assumed these devices made so much sense. They save space, maybe saves watts, and everything is within reach and efficient. And just employs one power cord. But these kinda thingys are roundly panned by audiophiles. Isn't there a unit that's respected by them? Perhaps not?
That stereo is probably from 1979/1980. Alot of them got rid of 78 speeds. You could probably replace it with another bsr record changer with a 3 or 4 speed. But that needle on that stereo was made for only 33s n 45s as 78s had a wider needle for the wider grooves.
I'd preserve it the way it is. Systems with BSR changers are a dime-a-dozen and the BIC changers, despite having only 2 speeds, were better performers.
a lot of the more modern(80s?) ones dont have 16 and 78, cause there was no need for higher rpm with new records. and i have never come across a 16 record
You're not alone, I'm 54 and only saw my SECOND 16 rpm record just last year. The first one was when I was a kid, my grandmother had a Jimmy Swaggart (yes, the televangelist) record that was 16 rpm. I've since taken an interest in 16 rpm records; I have several now, plus a 1960s Magnavox stereo to play them on. Virtually all manufacturers removed 16 rpm settings by the mid-1970s. The only new equipment that still had it was special 'talking book' record players for the blind. The 78 setting began vanishing from modern players in the early 1970s. A few manufactures kept it throughout, but most did away with the 78 setting because there was so little interest in it. I actually have an early 1970s BSR that's 33/45 only. The resurgence of records in recent years has sparked interest in the old 78s, so most modern stuff has the settings for them again.
Thanks for the video. Just a suggestion, get a bigger motor, rpm reader and a 10k pot to adjust the speed. You could make interesting sound by changing the speeds. This way you could leave the original parts in for, except for the new motor. Have a day
no thanks, this is my excuse to buy or build a lathe. haha i'll probably try building one so i appreciate how complicated it is, throw away my failed attempt and buy a low quality one. :p
16 rpm vanished from consumer equipment right around 1973 (though it did stick around a while longer in some specialty players). There weren't a lot of 16 rpm records made for the general public; and most of them were 'talking book' and 'lecture' recordings. Some music, but not a lot, and the sound quality was usually mediocre at best. Seriously, when it vanished, few noticed... or cared. 78 rpm support was hit and miss in the 1970s and 1980s. It was considered a 'dead' format. It wasn't until the 'vinyl revival' that the speed became more common again. Most of the changers that still sported it were based on 1960s designs that the manufacturers never bothered to update, other than to dress them up with different trim.
I had this 1979 Zenith Allegro stereo. it was great, had great sound. And you could record LPs onto cassette. I had it for many years ad it for many years.
cool find, I wouldn't upgrade, I would just restore it to original condition, the turntable can probably be 100% repaired, usually starting issues are old shit ass gummed up grease, get it all out relube it with partshouse wheel bearing grease and get the idler swapped if its dry and I bet it will run like day 1
No, This is NOT useless. It's designed for an era post-78s where the makers, Zenith('e' is short, not long, as in "Ten") recognised that 78s were no longer being made, and that 16rpm was also not in common use, so these speeds were redundant. The turntable was thus designed only to play modern 33 & 45 rpm microgroove records. Having the two tape formats, the superior(if it weren't invented by Philips, that is) cassette and the inferior 8-track format(over-complication renders the format inferior) plus FM-stereo and AM-Mono radio covers all the bases of what was available in the early 1970s, music entertainment-wise.
That Zenith player is only no good for you as you're a 78s collector. For anyone else it'd be fine. And it is a short 'e', Zenith, rhyming with Tenith if spoken with a lisp.
@@neilforbes416 I remember commercials from the 1970s, pronouncing 'Zenith' with a long e. Though a short 'e' does sound like it might be a British pronunciation....
@@xaenon It may well be a British brand marketed in America, thus Zenith with short 'e' will be the correct pronunciation, but even if it were american, Zenith with short 'e' is still the correct pronunciation.
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I just got one nothing works. Even changed belts I'd like to keep and use it... anyone repair in Marietta ga? I'll trade. I'm broke right now looking for a job currently.
Riona’s Auspicious Travails I hope you will reply to this even though it sounds silly you’re wearing cat eye glasses huh??????!!!……I have cat eye glasses mine are silver with rhinestones
No these are more of horn-rimmed glasses. Like what a 1960s engineer would wear. I never could find a pair of cat eyes that fit my face well. I eventually went to classical looking circle frames.
Most cheap new record players have all three speeds their sound quality is debatable but mine plays 78's with no problem so long as they aren't too scratched to shit
Watching this video stressed me out! Put the tone arm down (on the holder,) and back up slowly. OMG, please give this to a good home and to someone who knows what they are doing lol! Sorry, but it’s stressful for us particular finicky vintage audiophiles to watch you handle that unit so haphazardly! It’s only a cheap old all in one unit, but still it looks to be in fairly good condition for 40+ years old! It just needs some TLC. Cool until though!
Actually it wasn't very cheap (about $500 in 1979), had lots of nice features, covered most bases for people by playing four different formats and when paired with the Allegro speakers, produced pretty respectable sound. Even the turntable was head and shoulders above most all-in-ones back then compared with the rim drive/ceramic cartridge BSR changers. This one has the guts of a BIC turntable and a Shure M74C magnetic cartridge that tracks at 3 grams. Audio snobs may dismiss something like this, but it was well built, full featured and good sounding. I did a full restoration last year on this model (Zenith IS 4081) and it's performance (even the 8-track!) is excellent. Hell the old analog tuner pulls in stations my Sony ES receiver can barely pick up. The cassette deck, though lacking noise reduction, when properly aligned and calibrated to your tapes, records beautifully.
what are you doingyou are destroying a perfectly good turntable to use the wrong speed records you are not doing this machine any good by destroying the way it was meant to be used you are ruining this machine you might as well blow it up . if you want 78 use a machine with that speed do not ruin a good turntable by making it into something it was not suppose to be .what a shame but the video was good
Do not touch it anymore. Give it to someone who knows how to fix it.
I have one too. Any tips?
When playing a 78rpm record, you will have to change the needle/stylus to a 78 needle, using the 45rpm needle is not recommended. Great video as usual.
+Gerry K yeah i know, i figured for the sake of the video it probably wouldnt be so bad though. it looks like ill be going back to my old record player that actually works pretty well.
I know this is an old comment on an old video, but I just wanted to point out that using a micro groove stylus (for 45’s and lp’s) on a wide-groove (78) record won’t actually hurt anything, it just won’t sound as good.
That's like the one on wheel of fortune that the contestant won and it comes with four speakers
Leslie rotary speaker=great find!
Wow, I thought I recognized the music from the sting 8 track you played. I haven't seen the movie so I knew it wasn't from that. Turns out it's the loading screen from Bioshock Infinite. That game series is awesome. Old music like that always reminds me of Rapture and Columbia.
We had the same one when I was a kid.
One other difference is Edison records move the needle in one plane and RCA Victor are in the perpendicular plane. I think Edison grooves move the stylus horizontally and Victrola were vertical. This can be a problem with extra noise using modern electronic reproduction.
My brother and I had a similar one as a kid and we used it for the cassette and stereo amplifier functions, but I don't recall us using the turntable/record changer, or if that worked at all during our lifetime.
Great Video Rinoa... I did the same thing with my first record player when i was younger.. Those early 78rpm records where intended to be played with a steel needle. You need to find your self a nice early acoustic phonograph and you will find your early 78's will sound much clearer.. Not to mention the fun Time travailing experience of listening to recorded music with out the aid of electricity.. :)
or i can just go back to my good record player. i was hoping this one would be better but honestly i kinda hate cassettes and 8-tracks anyways.
That was about as nice as "compact tabletop" stereos got in the late 1970s. The BIC changer is of higher quality than the typical plastic-platter BSRs of that era. If you can find a replacement for the clip that keeps the platter on, the automatic spindle will probably work (it should point toward the stand at the left-rear). This machine is worth preserving.
A BSR lemezváltós lemezjátszóról le van törve a lemez stabilizáló kar
A coworker of mine had one of these in 1980's. $10 for that is a STEAL. Unlike any other integrated system I've seen, it is NOT junk! It's a high-quality system. Too bad the speakers didn't come with it.
The record player may be stuck on. Some of these old stereos did turn on by starting the record changer but you had the answer later on in the video. Thank you for sharing.
The internals looked in really good order. Radiotvphononut would be proud
"I don't remember buying this at all... AWESOME!" LOL❤️
I'm slightly old-school so this brings back a few memories! One thing I can think of to do (if you want) is to take the tape off the motor side and put it on the platter side. That way, you still get the desired affect but you can also put your parts back (for that sense of completion). Of course, the ratio/thickness would probably be different. Great vid! ;D
Actually, that might reverse the intended effect....
yeah it would.
1000 pardons.
It would be viable for 16rpms if you have any of those.
Nice my family had almost the same model. Instead of the cassette player. It had a 8 tracks storage bay and I think it could play 33,45&78s RPM records. Nice to see at least 1 had survived the 1970's!
Get an electronic circuit like a variable speed drive and speed up the motor electronically. Also use a 0.3 mm stylus and set it up with a mono switch for your 78 RPM payback. It will reduce the record scratch noise in mono and the larger radius stylus will stay on the sound portion of the record groove.
33 and 45 are the common speeds these days and most used, 78 for older records.
most of my records are from before WW2
I have this exact same player, did sperating those two taped wires fix it?
I almost bought one like it at K Mart for $350 when I was 14 years old.
If you are going to play 78 rpm records you should probably get a proper needle for them. The grooves are different and the current needle will probably damage the records over time.
+93sr20det yeah i know, i may just stick to my other record player.
i was kinda disappointed with this record player since it only has 33 and 45rpm. i'm thinking maybe i can replace the motor upgrade it to do all 4 speeds so i can listen to my records. and maybe modify it to do more things too. like maybe make a wood lid for it to replace that plastic cover thats all broken up.
Understandable, and it's bugging me aswell.
If you want I could turn a new pully for you on my lathe.
+tek413 thanks but honestly i think it might be a good excuse for me to finally build or buy my own lathe. :)
But most records play 33... dont they? Im no expert but everything I've bought is 33. I listen to 80s 90s and 2000s
Plastic usually looks best on these, maybe you could get a replacement? But its yours anyway do what you please
I believe I would leave the speeds the way the factory made them and get you a record player designed for 78 rpm playback
Can you please let me know what is the model of this receiver? I want to find one for my dad as a gift since he used to have one back in the 80's when I was born but it got stolen, he still keeps the Allegro 3000 speakers that came with it
saaaame!
don't play 78 rpm records on a microgroove stylus/neetle
I've never seen a spinning speaker, have you done a video on that one?
i believe i showed it at th end of RB179 but i have something planned for it, several things actually.
Rinoa Super-Genius thanks, I'll have a look
78s too? Man we share a lot of interests haha. The only bad thing about them is the disappointment you feel in yourself when you break one, or at least a rare/well known song. But you can get 78s that were made as late as the early 70s! South Africa were still releasing tracks on 78 till I believe 1971, the updated 33rpm and 45rpm hadn't quite made its way over to them. Also, possibly a fun project, try dissolving broken 78s in acetone, it turns to a syrup like consistency and makes a great wood stain, sort of a deep Amber colour (the fumes are pretty bad though, whilst dissolving) nevertheless, great video as usual and can't wait to see more!
on a Patreon video i recently broke one of my favorite shellac records, and i've been trying to bond it back together using acetone but i cant get acetone to melt the record. have had chunks of a record in acetone for a week now and all its doing is breaking down into a powder on the bottom leaving the acetone clear. i may try other solvents. i was thinking i could do the same thing that i do with acetone and ABS to make ABS glue for broken 3d prints.
no clue why it wont dissolve.
Denatured Alcohol dissolves shellac.
Rinoa Super-Genius never use alcohol on shellac records
Nice unit for a tenner you can't go wrong and everything works.
Man I like the look of it
It’s a cool piece of kit
i figure if i end up not wanting it, i could probably sell it to a subscriber. it's knobs also feel really good.
I wanted to get an old looking system like that but modify the internals to DAB, Bluetooth and internet radio but all function with the old controls. Would be pretty cool.
I've put Bluetooth in these. It's not hard to do. For DAB and/or Internet radio, I just use a smart phone or tablet via the Bluetooth - it's really not worth the hassle of building those directly in.
If the stereo has tape mounter you can connect the EQ to the in and out .
I had this same machine growing up. Kinda cool to see another one.
do you want this one? haha
I have to ask, what's the spinning speaker useful for? some kind of alarm horn?
it gives an interesting effect.
Do you per chance know what stylus/cartridge this player uses? I have the exact same Zenith but I can’t figure out what stylus it uses because mine doesn’t have one.
It used a “Shure” I have the same one but better condition and it’s amazing
Hey whats the spinning speaker for? Does it do something cool or is it just you tinkering?
its from an old electric organ, it adds a neat sound.
This is a nice stereo. It is not unusual to find units with four media sources in one unit, however, I do have to agree that some of the record changers in some stereos do not have all the speeds. I have three turntables myself. One only plays 33 and 45 records. Another one plays 33, 45 and 78rpm; although the 78rpms aren't sounding quite right. The brand is a 1byone modern turntable with pitch control, anti-skate and counter weight adjustments. I think the needle is the issue for 78rpms. It plays 33s and 45s super well. When I contacted 1byone they said that the needle was made to play both LPs and 78s with no issue so not sure what the challenge is. Its not a huge issue because my third turntable is my mom and dad's Magnavox stereo console which I had repaired two years ago. It plays all speeds including 16rpm. In case you wondered what 16rpm was used for; there were radio transcribed records for broadcasts. Talking books for the blind and visually impaired were on 16rpm records and the coolest application is the Seeburg Music Library. With those records you can have up to almost 5 hours with just 7 records. Most were destroyed when they were used in businesses but fortunately some of the records were saved and are now collectables. There's even a Seeburg Music radio station on the internet known as Seeburg 1000. It's amazing.
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I have a ELECTRO BRAND Stereo Receiver with turntable and 8 track player I fixed but now I’m having problems getting audio out of the speakers, just faint audio. Any advice. Speakers work fine on other system.
MODEL NO: 6575
I have 2 record players, one is the same one but the cover is broken while the other one is absolutely fine. Idk how the other one is in mint condition
You got a partial station ID from WWL 870 in New Orleans at 1:45. Amazing catch from the basement!
thats over 700 miles away, interesting.
Rinoa Super-Genius AM can easily go that far at night. I grew up around New Orleans and got Chicago all the time at night.
but with the radio in my basement? or maybe that helped somehow.
Oh yeah!! esse é um lindo HI-FI gostei
I love the old BSR turntables speed sounds perfect.
This one is from BIC (originally British Industries Corp.), a Long Island importer of Garrard, LEAK and Warfdale that introduced their own line of equipment when those brands fell out of favor. Their changers were designed by Voice Of Music and built by Maestro.
Nálunk Videotonok, Orionok voltak mind rádióban, magnóban, később a 80-as években hifi berendezésekben. Voltak persze orsós szalagos magnók is, BRG az Magyar gyártmányú volt, Tesla az Csehszlovák, Unitra pedig Lengyel
its surprising how good they were
you mean the ones before this? because this one is pretty shitty.
no 78, but turntable quality is all way superior to bsr's in 4030 and 4041
the platter hub needs either a drop of sewing machine oil,maybe some machine grade lithium grease on the cog wheels
It would be reasonably easy to re-purpose an old servo motor to run off an Arduino motor shield and get any speed you want out of that record player. Then you could even match the weird early speeds of 60-130RPM along with 8 1/3 and 16 2/3 which was often used for voice recordings.
+kuhrd yeah im thinking about doing something similar. although this has some issues that i didnt show, like i have to tape 7 quarters to the back of the arm to keep it from grinding the head into the record and squeekung really loud.
i may just try to sell it at my antique store booth
Im so excited for friday only because thats when im getting my recored player
This is probably a long shot considering this video is 3 years old... but what are you using to wipe down the record player towards the end? I'm trying to refurbish and clean up my friend's record play for christmas and yours is the only video of this Zenith model.
should have been just water.
Initially I assumed these devices made so much sense. They save space, maybe saves watts, and everything is within reach and efficient. And just employs one power cord. But these kinda thingys are roundly panned by audiophiles. Isn't there a unit that's respected by them? Perhaps not?
That stereo is probably from 1979/1980. Alot of them got rid of 78 speeds. You could probably replace it with another bsr record changer with a 3 or 4 speed. But that needle on that stereo was made for only 33s n 45s as 78s had a wider needle for the wider grooves.
I'd preserve it the way it is. Systems with BSR changers are a dime-a-dozen and the BIC changers, despite having only 2 speeds, were better performers.
@@pcno2832 Agree, especially since it has a four-pole motor and magnetic cartridge.
if your matter is having a 16 and 78, you could try installing a Garrard turntable instead this one
a lot of the more modern(80s?) ones dont have 16 and 78, cause there was no need for higher rpm with new records. and i have never come across a 16 record
You're not alone, I'm 54 and only saw my SECOND 16 rpm record just last year. The first one was when I was a kid, my grandmother had a Jimmy Swaggart (yes, the televangelist) record that was 16 rpm. I've since taken an interest in 16 rpm records; I have several now, plus a 1960s Magnavox stereo to play them on.
Virtually all manufacturers removed 16 rpm settings by the mid-1970s. The only new equipment that still had it was special 'talking book' record players for the blind.
The 78 setting began vanishing from modern players in the early 1970s. A few manufactures kept it throughout, but most did away with the 78 setting because there was so little interest in it. I actually have an early 1970s BSR that's 33/45 only. The resurgence of records in recent years has sparked interest in the old 78s, so most modern stuff has the settings for them again.
Thanks for the video.
Just a suggestion, get a bigger motor, rpm reader and a 10k pot to adjust the speed. You could make interesting sound by changing the speeds.
This way you could leave the original parts in for, except for the new motor.
Have a day
yeah but id need to rpelace the needle and fix the stylus arm too. i may just fix it up a bit more and sell this at the antique store booth.
Thanks for the reply.
They make flippable styluses for 78 rpm and 33. Pfanstiehl currently makes one
Apart from having it spin at 78 rpm, you'd also need a 78 rpm stylus
I would take that to a shop where they specialize in old vintage 8Track Tape record players
What a good record player.The turntable needs a new iderlerler wheel so you don’t need to push it to get to the correct speed
me gusto mucho tu video , saludes desde medellin colombia , de casualidad me encontre una consola de estas mimas y me fue muy util
what is the title of the 33 rpm record that you played?
pretty sure i showed in the video
But in the video you can not read the title of the disc.
I have a machine shop, what size diameter pulley do you need.
no thanks, this is my excuse to buy or build a lathe. haha
i'll probably try building one so i appreciate how complicated it is, throw away my failed attempt and buy a low quality one. :p
It should be easy enough to 3d print the pulley at the right diameter to play 78s.
sshhhh, this is my excuse to get a lathe >_>
sjm4306 i didn't expect to see you here
No, The player is ONLY for 33/45, it's not intended to play any other type of disc.
Nice 💪👌
I just saw one still in the box like new for 65 bucks in a auntique store
Beautiful thing, well done for bothering to repair it
16 rpm vanished from consumer equipment right around 1973 (though it did stick around a while longer in some specialty players). There weren't a lot of 16 rpm records made for the general public; and most of them were 'talking book' and 'lecture' recordings. Some music, but not a lot, and the sound quality was usually mediocre at best. Seriously, when it vanished, few noticed... or cared.
78 rpm support was hit and miss in the 1970s and 1980s. It was considered a 'dead' format. It wasn't until the 'vinyl revival' that the speed became more common again. Most of the changers that still sported it were based on 1960s designs that the manufacturers never bothered to update, other than to dress them up with different trim.
I had this 1979 Zenith Allegro stereo. it was great, had great sound. And you could record LPs onto cassette. I had it for many years
ad it for many years.
cool find, I wouldn't upgrade, I would just restore it to original condition, the turntable can probably be 100% repaired, usually starting issues are old shit ass gummed up grease, get it all out relube it with partshouse wheel bearing grease and get the idler swapped if its dry and I bet it will run like day 1
Oh how I love record players!
same, although i'd much rather have a 1930s one than this. i think somebody else would like this 1970s/1980s player more than me anyway.
Can i buy a needle?
You could remove the counter-weight from the Leslie and crank up Master Of Puppets! ;D
+Burfurd64 itd break the leslie >_>
pretty cool machine. whoever made the machine stay on all the time must have replaced the belts.
Wow, that wiring is super not up to code! (electrical panel in beginning)
The "C" clip is missing and that is why the spindle is loose.
+EvanPlayzGames yeah, but at least that allows easy access to the belt stuff
No, This is NOT useless. It's designed for an era post-78s where the makers, Zenith('e' is short, not long, as in "Ten") recognised that 78s were no longer being made, and that 16rpm was also not in common use, so these speeds were redundant. The turntable was thus designed only to play modern 33 & 45 rpm microgroove records. Having the two tape formats, the superior(if it weren't invented by Philips, that is) cassette and the inferior 8-track format(over-complication renders the format inferior) plus FM-stereo and AM-Mono radio covers all the bases of what was available in the early 1970s, music entertainment-wise.
the zenith brand is ponounced "zeenith". and i dont have anything under a 78 so this thing is useless to me
That Zenith player is only no good for you as you're a 78s collector. For anyone else it'd be fine. And it is a short 'e', Zenith, rhyming with Tenith if spoken with a lisp.
@@neilforbes416 I remember commercials from the 1970s, pronouncing 'Zenith' with a long e. Though a short 'e' does sound like it might be a British pronunciation....
@@xaenon It may well be a British brand marketed in America, thus Zenith with short 'e' will be the correct pronunciation, but even if it were american, Zenith with short 'e' is still the correct pronunciation.
The b52s!
Why are these ALL in ONE unit not worth much today?
Low build quality, large, everywhere.
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you take really good care of your stuff LOL
yes the ones made in Japan were good
Wow. That thing is thrashed
I just got one nothing works. Even changed belts I'd like to keep and use it... anyone repair in Marietta ga? I'll trade. I'm broke right now looking for a job currently.
The beginning of that cassette tape reminded me of when I used to listen to satellite telemetry.
Add a CD player to it
Riona’s Auspicious Travails I hope you will reply to this even though it sounds silly you’re wearing cat eye glasses huh??????!!!……I have cat eye glasses mine are silver with rhinestones
No these are more of horn-rimmed glasses. Like what a 1960s engineer would wear. I never could find a pair of cat eyes that fit my face well. I eventually went to classical looking circle frames.
Why do you need 78rpm? Most all lp's are 33
Guess your wanting to play some really old stuff then
most of my collection that i regularly listen to is from about 1905 to 1938.
Change the stylus too for a 78 one. It's wider and tracks the grooves of 78s better.
10$ for that thing is not bad at all.
+bruce wayne i figure if i dont want it, i could sell it at my antique store for like 12$.
and if it doesnt sell it wont break the bank...
Win-win all around.
What was the song from 9:25
Love Shack by the B52s
Rinoa Super-Genius
Thanks for letting me know!
Cheers
Isn’t Zenith a watch brand?
electronics brand, but now they are just a name used by chinese companies
Search up Zenith El Primero it is quite strange that an Electronics company is also called Zenith 😂😂😂
Most cheap new record players have all three speeds their sound quality is debatable but mine plays 78's with no problem so long as they aren't too scratched to shit
well thats nice to hear that nower ones have more speeds.
All 12in run 33rpm the 45 is for 7in. Most ppl don't play 78rpm records
Counterweight is missing. Very important
+Hamish Spencer i added it in the video
Watching this video stressed me out! Put the tone arm down (on the holder,) and back up slowly. OMG, please give this to a good home and to someone who knows what they are doing lol! Sorry, but it’s stressful for us particular finicky vintage audiophiles to watch you handle that unit so haphazardly! It’s only a cheap old all in one unit, but still it looks to be in fairly good condition for 40+ years old! It just needs some TLC. Cool until though!
Actually it wasn't very cheap (about $500 in 1979), had lots of nice features, covered most bases for people by playing four different formats and when paired with the Allegro speakers, produced pretty respectable sound. Even the turntable was head and shoulders above most all-in-ones back then compared with the rim drive/ceramic cartridge BSR changers. This one has the guts of a BIC turntable and a Shure M74C magnetic cartridge that tracks at 3 grams. Audio snobs may dismiss something like this, but it was well built, full featured and good sounding. I did a full restoration last year on this model (Zenith IS 4081) and it's performance (even the 8-track!) is excellent. Hell the old analog tuner pulls in stations my Sony ES receiver can barely pick up. The cassette deck, though lacking noise reduction, when properly aligned and calibrated to your tapes, records beautifully.
Not having all four speeds,with me,isn't a concern as I don't have 78 or 16 RPM records
i'd get by ok with just 78rpm.
there's samler pieces
Называется отремотировала поломала переключатель скоростей протерла тряпочкой и все ремонт окончен.
Play stair way to heaven by Led Zeppelin backwards on the record player
no thanks
what are you doingyou are destroying a perfectly good turntable to use the wrong speed records you are not doing this machine any good by destroying the way it was meant to be used you are ruining this machine you might as well blow it up . if you want 78 use a machine with that speed do not ruin a good turntable by making it into something it was not suppose to be .what a shame but the video was good
I agree with you man this lady she doesn't have idea what a treasure machine she has I have the same zenith and no body tach it only me is my baby.😠😡
now hack the tape player to record to cassette for your commodore 64
thats not much of a hack.
It doesn't play 78 rpm