Hey Brad. We ran into a Toyota Hilux with a camper trailer stuck on the beach. I thought there was no way my wheezy 3.6 Overland would pull it out and the tide was coming in fast. Tried to snatch it out in 4H Sand mode with no luck at all so I raised it to OR2 put it 4L and sand mode and it pulled it out easy. I was very impressed and the Hilux owner was a little surprised he'd been rescued by a Jeep of all things. Jeeps are not very well loved Down Under in Australia, especially by Toyota and Nissan drivers...... Great channel mate, very watchable. I enjoy watching you do what I dare not do for fear of divorce...... Go the mighty Jeep!!!
Another great video Brad. You’re spot on with your assessment of the different modes. I’m kinda surprised to see the Chief sump guard bend like that but then again you were literally flying. That’s the exact one I got, as far as I could tell the heavier duty one doesn’t come with the opening for the oil filter. Maybe after they see this video they’ll start offering it. Keep up the great work and stay safe out there guys! It was great to see Norah being so into it and using all the terminology and Caleb did great with the drone as always.
Took my 2016 wk2 out last weekend and I darn near got it stuck. Some of your advice helped get me out before I would have had to shovel. Thanks for testing the different modes. Really helpful. I've noticed that snow is really only useful for super slippery conditions.
Excellent! Thank you for doing this! Very anxious and excited to watch your next "do it"! And! Have to say, Caleb does an awesome awesome job of video and sound! Hollywood is waiting for your skills! Awesome production!
I know definitely that snow mode applies the brake to the spinning wheel, I found that out coming up the steep hill to my house during our last big snowfall
Hi Brad. Really enjoy your channel and especially this real practical demonstration of the Modes! The Grand Cherokee is an extremely capable suv, as your journeys prove. The only element Jeep could improve is the front under-sump protection, as you have demonstrated. I have a WK 2 Overland and live in New Zealand. Its an awesome vehicle. Thanks, Frank
Very entertaining and visually pleasing as usual. I’m not sure why but I’m surprised at how capable the WK2 is! Jeep should consider sponsoring your channel and maybe letting you do real world testing when the next gen Grand Cherokee comes out.
This was sweet Brad. I agree that Jeep should have more information on the system. I have seen videos on the different modes. But still wasn’t tech savvy. More sales driven content to sell you on the vehicle. Pretty impressed with the sand mode you demonstrate. Clearly was the winner.
You really need to use AlfaOBD to monitor the transfer case and rear ELSD when doing the testing, it's a wealth of information showing exactly what the system is doing.
Hey, Brad, another great idea of yours. What an informative experience and video. BTW, a suggestion for you (and all the other videographers of this genre who may be watching): please add the dates on the videos of your adventures! It will be nice to match the climatic conditions (fickle as the weather may be) and the timeframe your adventure took place. Incidentally, yesterday, Nov. 6, 2020, my 2020 JGC Trailhawk was delivered to my house; Looks great and I'll drive it today. More later.
Great videos mate. New to your stuff as just buying a Jeep now. Can I ask, do you know what the 4wd drive system a 2021 Grand Cherokee Night Eagle Diesel WK built May21 ? It's great the stuff you do as a family. Love your videos 👍
Select terrain gives the computer different set parameters that it can use to anticipate actions in the power train in relation to speed, braking power, and torque/power. It tweaks responsiveness. Sand mode is meant to be faster, mud slower, rocks even slower. Sport mode even throws more power to the rear to simulate rear wheel drive. You seem to have researched well!
Hey Brad, nice video. Agree its hard getting a definitive answer for what each mode does. From what I read and my experience sand mode raises the shift point between gears and is a little more aggressive in stopping wheel spin. I believe mud mode allows the spinning wheel to spin for a brief time to throw the mud out of the treads. I found the jeep to feel a little squirrelly in mud and I think this might explain it. Snow mode, like you said, starts in 2nd gear and I think the BTC is set more like a low bias LSD to maintain control. I would really like to find a definitive answer but for now, that's my story and I'm sticking with it lol.
Appreciate that mode test driving. More is better for all of us GC owners. Manual and dealer instructions not that helpful. Snow mode is best example for misunderstanding! My dealer told me this is for snow covered roads. Okay, but using this while you‘re stuck in a snow covered parking lot you getting no where. Using GC for towing is even seperate series. We tow a 28ft camper trailer and i remember couple of situations i know what would help me but not which mode reflects this EVEN what doesn‘t make it worse (talking about lifting and traction control). What will be helpful having at least situation examples it is good for as well some that it isn‘t for - i did some everyday life instructions my self for me and my wife. It would be boring missing the nail with this wonderful tool. But to get a deep understanding it would be helpful if manual has some more details what is exactly done in which mode but this requires understanding of course. So for now only testdriving, learning and exchange experiences is the way to go. Thank you!
An interesting test to augment what you have done.. is to slowly approach a steepish sand hill in Sand Mode....this models what happens when you lose speed on a sand incline.... in Sand Mode the software will stop the wheels from spinning (so you don't dig in).... and as part of this will ultimately cut power to the point that you can't move up the incline (you can of course roll back).. this shows where the Sand limit is.. the functional response I describe is with the electronically locking rear diff option
For next sand adventure it would be interesting to show recovery when totally stuck. Somebody wrote a comment about shoveling. It is useless in sand. All you need to do is to hardly shake by hands the car from side to side (with the help of the passengers😊). It will emerge itself from sand. I learned this surprising technique in Sahara when we managed to recover a LC in less than 1 minute.
@prodigal overland awesome vid to see someone test the different modes. I have question i just picked a up a 2021 JGC Limited X...i wanted to use the selec-terrain but the dial wont change from auto. My 4WD low works and the N button to disconnect also works. Is there something im missing to get the dial to change modes??
Late response but no there shouldn’t be anything else stopping you. Generally you should be able to simply turn the dial to mud, snow or sand. To enter rock you need to go to 4low first then turn to rock. Did you ever get it working?
@@franksmith8210 yeah...took it to dealer eventually. The knob was dead...they ordered a new one and couple weeks later it was all G. Thanks for the reply. Sidenote: the same day i went back for the part install the GC 4XEs was finally available for pre-order so i pre-ordered one lol. Looks like i wont even have a chance to use these terrain-selec features after all 😁
Thanks. I like the look of them. I have only seen them up close recently. They didn't look as stout as my gear from Chief Products, but I Haven't really seem them bashed on.
Hi Brad I have a 2018 TrailHawk and I use it a lot on the beaches of Eastern Long Island --- I find putting it on lift 1 mode auto air down to around 24psi and don't use drive just 1st and or 2nd gear driving under 20mph we can go just about anywhere on the beach in any sand conditions-- I enjoyed your sand video -- did you leave trans. in drive doing those dunes if so you are loosing rpm's in drive use your gears manually --- thanks ain't nothing like a Jeep as long as you air down
What is the wheels/tires sizs on your car,,, and what are the biggest sizes of 18/20 tires that fits wk2 overland (if you know) Regards! To be Mentioned : i tried to install 17" wheels they didn't fit , there wasn't a bit of space between caliper and inner wall of the rims!
Hello, great videos man. When you installed your Nudge Bar from Chief were you able to use the hooks from the factory or did you have to order the hooks as well from Chief?
@@Bimmerphile1 but what’s the difference between sand & mud now? Used to be 35/65 torque split, reduced esc, holds low gears for more rpm, & > throttle response
You can see in my channel and see how to properly drive on a sand dune.. The first thing you need to do is deflate the tire's to 10 psi.. Try it it next time it will be a walk in the park for the WK2...
The GC 4x4 model is just that, and not AWD. These actually have a transfer case that activates 4hi and 4low. Then the selector modes change how the active traction, LDS, shifting and throttle behave.
Hi again. What did you do to fix the Chief sump skid plate? This happened to me today. First time offroading after installing them and it's already dented. Can I fix it somehow?
In sand, mud and rock, traction control is off; your rear diff is locked, the only difference is your throttle control, torque and shift points change!
Traction control is still active in Mud mode as it will still cut power and brake the front to distribute power as i've had it happen, I believe from forums traction control is never fully turned off in a wk2 regardless of the mode just toned down
@@ProdigalOverland Thanks for the response, I'm sure you've seen some where they even keep the spare wheel on the roof too 24/7. I'm looking for a good roof solution for my Gen1 Cayenne where I'll be putting up a roof top tent etc.
Hey bro am sultan and i am Arab so you are not handing the sand well The sand needs special way of driving but and uf you low you air tiers to 15 to 10 you would be shocked of how much that can make a change you will never leave the doneness ✌
Thanks. Please always just quickly mention location including park name, state (everyone knows Moab, but some parks aren't well known), date, weather. Also, please turn off the DRLs, the flicker is annoying (it's under settings). (And the bulbs will last longer!)
The “stupid” music is kinda our thing with the trail ride videos. We do reviews and educational stuff as well without the cinematic intros. You may want to check them out. Also plenty of videos out there without music. Thanks for your well thought out and articulated critique.
Hey Brad.
We ran into a Toyota Hilux with a camper trailer stuck on the beach. I thought there was no way my wheezy 3.6 Overland would pull it out and the tide was coming in fast. Tried to snatch it out in 4H Sand mode with no luck at all so I raised it to OR2 put it 4L and sand mode and it pulled it out easy. I was very impressed and the Hilux owner was a little surprised he'd been rescued by a Jeep of all things.
Jeeps are not very well loved Down Under in Australia, especially by Toyota and Nissan drivers......
Great channel mate, very watchable. I enjoy watching you do what I dare not do for fear of divorce......
Go the mighty Jeep!!!
John Peacock good stuff. Jeeps are underrated here as well! Thanks for watching. Have fun!
Go the JGC's !
Really loved your kids comments. You could tell they were really enjoying it. thanks for sacrificing your jeep so we dont have to. 😬
You're Welcome. Thanks for watching!
Appreciate you testing the various modes Brad! Thanks for another great video.
Another great video Brad. You’re spot on with your assessment of the different modes. I’m kinda surprised to see the Chief sump guard bend like that but then again you were literally flying. That’s the exact one I got, as far as I could tell the heavier duty one doesn’t come with the opening for the oil filter. Maybe after they see this video they’ll start offering it. Keep up the great work and stay safe out there guys! It was great to see Norah being so into it and using all the terminology and Caleb did great with the drone as always.
I’ll let the kids know you thought they did well! And yes we were flying a bit.
That was a really good test of the various traction modes in the sand.
Took my 2016 wk2 out last weekend and I darn near got it stuck. Some of your advice helped get me out before I would have had to shovel.
Thanks for testing the different modes. Really helpful. I've noticed that snow is really only useful for super slippery conditions.
I’m glad we were able to help! Thanks for the feedback
Excellent! Thank you for doing this! Very anxious and excited to watch your next "do it"!
And! Have to say, Caleb does an awesome awesome job of video and sound! Hollywood is waiting for your skills! Awesome production!
Thanks Paul. I’ll let Caleb know! Appreciate the support!
@@ProdigalOverland
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I know definitely that snow mode applies the brake to the spinning wheel, I found that out coming up the steep hill to my house during our last big snowfall
Great video! Loved the kid's comments ! Kaleb is already "one of us"!
Hi Brad. Really enjoy your channel and especially this real practical demonstration of the Modes!
The Grand Cherokee is an extremely capable suv, as your journeys prove. The only element Jeep could improve is the front under-sump protection, as you have demonstrated. I have a WK 2 Overland and live in New Zealand. Its an awesome vehicle. Thanks, Frank
Thanks for the comments and support!
"Dad's probably loving this"
Dads wallet isnt.
Love this comment!
Very entertaining and visually pleasing as usual. I’m not sure why but I’m surprised at how capable the WK2 is! Jeep should consider sponsoring your channel and maybe letting you do real world testing when the next gen Grand Cherokee comes out.
Maybe one day I’ll get jeeps attention! Thanks for watching!
I would never want to "jump" my JGC with the air suspension. Good video and info as always Brad.
Yep. We didn’t really try to get air.
I converted the air suspension to dobinson ims coil spring and shocks
Ebrahim. How involved was that? That's my plan if the air system fails bad in the future.
Would you believe it?? Sand mode works great in the sand lol love that 4X4 system they have!!
Nice job Norah! You killed the video and narration in this episode!
LiveGreatStories we let her know!!
I totally agree and she was dropping knowledge!
This is a great video, best wishes from the UK
Thanks!
This was sweet Brad. I agree that Jeep should have more information on the system. I have seen videos on the different modes. But still wasn’t tech savvy. More sales driven content to sell you on the vehicle. Pretty impressed with the sand mode you demonstrate. Clearly was the winner.
Thanks Ryan. Glad you enjoyed it!
The HEMI sounded really nice
Good job kiddos!
You really need to use AlfaOBD to monitor the transfer case and rear ELSD when doing the testing, it's a wealth of information showing exactly what the system is doing.
Hey, Brad, another great idea of yours. What an informative experience and video. BTW, a suggestion for you (and all the other videographers of this genre who may be watching): please add the dates on the videos of your adventures! It will be nice to match the climatic conditions (fickle as the weather may be) and the timeframe your adventure took place.
Incidentally, yesterday, Nov. 6, 2020, my 2020 JGC Trailhawk was delivered to my house; Looks great and I'll drive it today. More later.
Sounds good. Great suggestions. Congrats on the Jeep!
Thanks, Brad!
I have a 2023 limited plus. I drive in Dubai dunes ( not hard ones ) on Sand mode , deflated tires ( 15psi ) . There is no 4WLow for mw, still fine .
Great Stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it
Love your videos bro! keep
up the good work. And one question just got a new Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk have any suggestions on off-road gear?
As far as the rig. I would do tires and make sure you have rock rails. And then go from there. You’ll figure out what you need. Don’t over buy.
Great videos mate. New to your stuff as just buying a Jeep now.
Can I ask, do you know what the 4wd drive system a 2021 Grand Cherokee Night Eagle Diesel WK built May21 ? It's great the stuff you do as a family. Love your videos 👍
Select terrain gives the computer different set parameters that it can use to anticipate actions in the power train in relation to speed, braking power, and torque/power. It tweaks responsiveness. Sand mode is meant to be faster, mud slower, rocks even slower. Sport mode even throws more power to the rear to simulate rear wheel drive. You seem to have researched well!
Thanks! Appreciate the comments!
Hey Brad, nice video. Agree its hard getting a definitive answer for what each mode does. From what I read and my experience sand mode raises the shift point between gears and is a little more aggressive in stopping wheel spin. I believe mud mode allows the spinning wheel to spin for a brief time to throw the mud out of the treads. I found the jeep to feel a little squirrelly in mud and I think this might explain it. Snow mode, like you said, starts in 2nd gear and I think the BTC is set more like a low bias LSD to maintain control. I would really like to find a definitive answer but for now, that's my story and I'm sticking with it lol.
Nice! Thanks for the comments!
I had the same skids on my overland and in UAE Dubai mostly we drive on sand and I did installed a kill switch for the abs to off the traction totally
Nice!
Appreciate that mode test driving. More is better for all of us GC owners. Manual and dealer instructions not that helpful. Snow mode is best example for misunderstanding! My dealer told me this is for snow covered roads. Okay, but using this while you‘re stuck in a snow covered parking lot you getting no where.
Using GC for towing is even seperate series. We tow a 28ft camper trailer and i remember couple of situations i know what would help me but not which mode reflects this EVEN what doesn‘t make it worse (talking about lifting and traction control).
What will be helpful having at least situation examples it is good for as well some that it isn‘t for - i did some everyday life instructions my self for me and my wife. It would be boring missing the nail with this wonderful tool. But to get a deep understanding it would be helpful if manual has some more details what is exactly done in which mode but this requires understanding of course.
So for now only testdriving, learning and exchange experiences is the way to go. Thank you!
The manual should have more specific information for sure! Thanks for the comments
An interesting test to augment what you have done.. is to slowly approach a steepish sand hill in Sand Mode....this models what happens when you lose speed on a sand incline.... in Sand Mode the software will stop the wheels from spinning (so you don't dig in).... and as part of this will ultimately cut power to the point that you can't move up the incline (you can of course roll back).. this shows where the Sand limit is.. the functional response I describe is with the electronically locking rear diff option
Good idea!
For next sand adventure it would be interesting to show recovery when totally stuck.
Somebody wrote a comment about shoveling. It is useless in sand. All you need to do is to hardly shake by hands the car from side to side (with the help of the passengers😊). It will emerge itself from sand. I learned this surprising technique in Sahara when we managed to recover a LC in less than 1 minute.
this is a good tip. I'll have to give it a try next time!
Sand mode but use manual paddle shift
My Overland has Mud/Sand Mode, wonder how that compares since you can tell the difference between your sand and mud
@prodigal overland awesome vid to see someone test the different modes. I have question i just picked a up a 2021 JGC Limited X...i wanted to use the selec-terrain but the dial wont change from auto. My 4WD low works and the N button to disconnect also works. Is there something im missing to get the dial to change modes??
Late response but no there shouldn’t be anything else stopping you. Generally you should be able to simply turn the dial to mud, snow or sand. To enter rock you need to go to 4low first then turn to rock. Did you ever get it working?
@@franksmith8210 yeah...took it to dealer eventually. The knob was dead...they ordered a new one and couple weeks later it was all G. Thanks for the reply. Sidenote: the same day i went back for the part install the GC 4XEs was finally available for pre-order so i pre-ordered one lol. Looks like i wont even have a chance to use these terrain-selec features after all 😁
Not meant to be indestructible brad, that plate did its job of absorbing all that force!
Imagine if you didn't have it!
Yes. I know. My oil pan would be in rough shape!!
@@ProdigalOverland LoL, that's an understatement!
I opted for the heavy duty plate, much heavier, but hey....
Excellent video. What do you think of the Offroad Animal plates and bumpers?
Thanks. I like the look of them. I have only seen them up close recently. They didn't look as stout as my gear from Chief Products, but I Haven't really seem them bashed on.
What tires and tire size are you running, looks like they handle sand pretty good
Hi Brad I have a 2018 TrailHawk and I use it a lot on the beaches of Eastern Long Island --- I find putting it on lift 1 mode auto air down to around 24psi and don't use drive just 1st and or 2nd gear driving under 20mph we can go just about anywhere on the beach in any sand conditions-- I enjoyed your sand video -- did you leave trans. in drive doing those dunes if so you are loosing rpm's in drive use your gears manually --- thanks ain't nothing like a Jeep as long as you air down
we were not in manual shifting mode
It is impressive in sand for a primarily street focused car, with some usable off-road ability especially considering those little all terrain tires.
It does well!
What is the wheels/tires sizs on your car,,,
and what are the biggest sizes of 18/20 tires that fits wk2 overland (if you know)
Regards!
To be Mentioned : i tried to install 17" wheels
they didn't fit , there wasn't a bit of space between caliper and inner wall of the rims!
We have 265/65/18 tires on ours. Some have done 275/65/18 tires. Not sure how big you can go. I know it's a common question on the Facebook forums.
Hello, great videos man. When you installed your Nudge Bar from Chief were you able to use the hooks from the factory or did you have to order the hooks as well from Chief?
I already had the chief recover points. But it looks like it is not compatible with the OEM hooks.
8 speed? I'm taking my `14 Overland with stock tires to the beach tomorrow. I hope I make it...
I didn't think the select track modes worked in 4 high, only 4 low. I'm going to have to mess around with mine next time I get a chance to get out.
Rock mode has to be 4 low. The others work in 4 high. But better in low.
It’s interesting sand & mud used to be 1 mode with there being a sport mode. Newer models they ditched sport and split sand/mud.
New models still have sport, they just took it off the selec-terrain section and put it into the center console.
@@Bimmerphile1 but what’s the difference between sand & mud now? Used to be 35/65 torque split, reduced esc, holds low gears for more rpm, & > throttle response
You can see in my channel and see how to properly drive on a sand dune..
The first thing you need to do is deflate the tire's to 10 psi..
Try it it next time it will be a walk in the park for the WK2...
How are you in 4Wd "Hi?" These are AWD. There isn't a 4hi just 4Lo. Or at least on mine lol.
Just yours mine is 4x4 all the time. Some have the option for hi/low some have mud, sand, snow etc.
The GC 4x4 model is just that, and not AWD. These actually have a transfer case that activates 4hi and 4low. Then the selector modes change how the active traction, LDS, shifting and throttle behave.
When you first engaged the sand mode , it was in normal ride height right? Maybe that is why you hit your front guard?
We were in off road 1 the whole time. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
@@ProdigalOverland oh then I think you enjoyed the sand mode too much lol
Fahd Abdulaziz terrain and momentgot is on this one!
Hi again. What did you do to fix the Chief sump skid plate? This happened to me today. First time offroading after installing them and it's already dented. Can I fix it somehow?
Jeep seems to hide the ball on just about everything.. Including default torque distribution.
Never take a turn while reverse in sand It can be very dangerous and vehicle can overturn
In sand, mud and rock, traction control is off; your rear diff is locked, the only difference is your throttle control, torque and shift points change!
Thanks for the feedback. 👍🏻
Traction control is still active in Mud mode as it will still cut power and brake the front to distribute power as i've had it happen, I believe from forums traction control is never fully turned off in a wk2 regardless of the mode just toned down
What engine size is your Jeep
5.7 v8
🚙💨🏜🤪👍 Punch it, dad! YEEE-HAW!!
Is it me or does anybody else wonder why there are boxes on the roof when there is plenty of space in the rear. So many people do this, why?
Not sure of others. But we have the kids in the back seat and two dogs in the back trunk area on our travel days.
@@ProdigalOverland
Thanks for the response, I'm sure you've seen some where they even keep the spare wheel on the roof too 24/7.
I'm looking for a good roof solution for my Gen1 Cayenne where I'll be putting up a roof top tent etc.
Hey bro am sultan and i am Arab so you are not handing the sand well
The sand needs special way of driving but and uf you low you air tiers to 15 to 10 you would be shocked of how much that can make a change you will never leave the doneness ✌
Thanks. And yes I'm sure they are different ways to driven dunes! Look us up if you get to the US
V8?
Yes 👍🏻
Thanks. Please always just quickly mention location including park name, state (everyone knows Moab, but some parks aren't well known), date, weather.
Also, please turn off the DRLs, the flicker is annoying (it's under settings). (And the bulbs will last longer!)
2:41 still talking
I think you are accelerating too hard creating too much spin not obtaining any traction
You need to learn how to drive on sand
Get rid of that STUPID music!
The “stupid” music is kinda our thing with the trail ride videos. We do reviews and educational stuff as well without the cinematic intros. You may want to check them out. Also plenty of videos out there without music. Thanks for your well thought out and articulated critique.