Superman 64 - What Happened?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2019
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maybe the green fog was canonically in the virtual metropolis because lex luthor didn't have a powerful enough virtual reality setup
All these millions of dollars and he still can't overcome the lag.
He's hoping that by holding Superman hostage, he can ransom the rest of the world to universally improve ISP connection speed in order to suit the needs of the Luthorcorp Stadia.
i could get better draw distance on my dad's 2011 chromebook
Listen man WB was rushing Lex to make the vr so this was the best he could reasonably do in the timeframe.
@@msphxc The first generation Chromebook would have 15 years of tech refinement, 14 times the processing power and 100 times as much available RAM.
It's like you're in 3rd grade and you tried to insult the short kid by saying that your dad was taller than him.
It's technically true, but your insult game is lacking something.
So WB deliberately sabotaged Titus cause they weren’t the people they wanted to make the game. How petty can you get? Just wait for the license expire if you want someone else to work on it.
Remember, this is WB. The people that allowed the tone-deaf Man of Steel; then farted out a DCEU to catch-up with Marvel.
Only they would be dumb enough to fuck over their own game.
I mean, Titus weren't exactly good game devs either...
It’s a miracle the Arkham games even exist if WB was like this
@@bluedestiny88 Well, the Arkham games were published by WB themselves.
I feel like Titus reached a point where they were finishing the game purely out of spite... I respect that.
The Story of this game Is just depressing, JUST...... depressing
Tragic
Super depressing?
Wasn't there a prototype cart discovered relatively recently that actually had many more features than the final release? I'm surprised that wasn't covered at all.
Really, most of the What Happeneds are. LA Noire for example.
WB: Are you crazy? Superman doesn’t punch people! He scolds them from a respectable distance!
DC: Yep! Absolutely right! As the creators of Superman, we would know!
"Over there has to learn how to deal with its own problems"- Superman
"Kill them all, Peter. Kill them all, just like I taught you." -Uncle Ben's floating head in the sky
shadow of apokolips had this same limitation. know what they did? every enemy is a robot. plain, simple, took 5 seconds to establish.
@@Iamafishproductions Uncle Ben just wasn't the same when he got home from Korea.
*Siegel and Shuster would like to know your location*
Titus: We want Superman to be awesome.
WB: Superman would never do that.
Superman:..................
WB: No, Superman can’t be ‘awesome’, he has to be ‘super’
Titus: Just let us make the fucking game
Perhaps Titus did not have food when making decisions regarding Superman?
@@matthewbraith0411 So WB wasn't being a massive prick for making a difficult project even harder?
Titus only probably would made a "meh" game. But WB made it, literally, the WORST VIDEO GAME EVER!
@@matthewbraith0411 What part of "impeded them from developing controls, fights, and environment" do you not get? They couldn't work on many of those until WB okayed it. "We wanted him to fly around in a open world and have superman adventures" became "We have no time just throw rings to fly through."
@@matthewbraith0411 Bruh you be acting Titus raped your childhood.
It's amazing how the actual animated series got away with so much more violence and adult themes compared to the video game.
There’s something cathartic about this small studio’s game being roadblocked and stalled at every turn by WB to make sure it failed selling more and having a lasting legacy in the gaming world, (despite its... shall we say lacking quality)
Then when WB got their way to make their own version with EA, nobody talks about or remembers it. The underdogs will always win, even if it’s kinda a pyrrhic victory.
I didn't even know there was another Superman game until I read your post so you speak truth to me!
@@thepassingstatic6268 My cousin has that game, and yes, it's pretty meh. It looks pretty good for the time it was released, plus the music is decent and the story, at first, is pretty good. However, the combat kind of wonky, the level design is pretty generic and the story loses focus a third of the way through. I haven't seen how it ends, but I've heard it's pretty unsatisfying.
Better to be remembered for being bad than forgotten for being mediocre.
EA's Superman Returns is baaaaaaaaaaaad!
@@russellbrown6888 Whoa. Those last words are real deep, man.
Honestly that game was actually pretty good if I remember
"They believed EA games would have created a better title"
lol
That was 90's EA not modern EA. They were more competent back then.
Yeah like Flrs91 said
@@zangetsu9196 they made a superman return game ...and it wasn't good
@@yeahgirl11 Applies to a lot of games actually. Companies dish out a game barely finished with as basic a template as possible for an absolutely ludicrous price (most triple-A title today), and let the community and modders stand for molding the game into what they should have done in the first place.
It's so incredibly sad.
Ooh how they'll regret that.
WB and DC: We know comics
Also WB and DC: Our heroes would never do the things they always do
Jesus Christ, so... We can blame WB on this?
If it makes you feel better, they own rooster teeth now 😈
@@prouddegenerates9056
That doesn't make me feel better at all
@@GrimmShadowsII No one was saying that Titus was going to make Batman: Arkham City. But in game development, the less time you waste in the planning and paperwork, the more time you have to test out your ideas and make improvements.
And the whole flying through rings was WB's idea (sort of).
It still kinda of sound a little of both, but more on the WB side. Anytime I hear WB handling of DC or movies that are accessible for a general audience I always hear stories of executives coming in ruining a good movie, show, or game.
When has they ever not get blame for crap? Justice league. BvS. Green lantern. Suicide squad.
So, like now: the worst enemy of Superman is WB.
Honestly I thought they were the hero they're trying to make the game not exist
@@jeremiahowens9999 All that meddling led to the game being as bad as it was. If WB didn't waste so much of Titus' time, maybe they could've at least put out a decent game.
@@jeremiahowens9999 but they the reason the game become this trash,right?
@@chem9773 but yea but i dont think they had the experience in the first place
Purefoldnz ....what?
Games I can't wait for:
Brink
Drake of the 99 Dragons
Mass Effect Andromeda
And Advent Rising.
postal 3.
Every one of those games will dissapoint you time traveler.
Lmao. Back in my day it used to be games I can't wait to play. In 2019 its games I can't wait for some youtuber to make a scathing video about.
@@DeathToDrugUsers21 blame gaming becoming more stagnant. you either go back to older stuff you never played before, play indies. or watch youtubers praise or bitch about games.
Ok, so the game was screwed over by corporate meddling out of sheer pettiness? Seems about right
And Time Warner is still run by a-holes.
Fun fact: DC stands for Detective Comics. So, whenever you see DC comics, it’s literally saying Detective Comics Comics.
@@thepassingstatic6268 or RIP in peace
Fun fact : The word FUN in Fun Fact actually stand in for F.U.N : Fucking useless 'nformation
so if im reading detective comics im reading detective comics detective comics?
The department of redundancy department.
Sahara Desert meaning Great Desert Desert: "Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!"
These videos always give an eye-opening perspective on prolific failures. It's easy to think that games like this were just a matter incompetent developers, but the truth is often more complicated.
I mean, to be honest...
Superman's cape flapping in the wind was pretty decent looking?
Lol it's more cape animation than Dark Souls
@@nitroturbo7869 I loved the soundtrack, too.
@@nitroturbo7869 Dark Souls have cloth physics?
Usually this sort of thing happens by accident, but this is a rare case of WB forcing a Wha Happun out of spite.
I think the biggest challenge to making a Superman game is how to get around how OP he is. The dude can level a building with his eyes.
my question is why not make it a power fantasy game? where you can do shit like that?
@@shadowpeople2645 WB_SUPERMAN_WOULDN'T_DO_THAT.exe
Superman Returns almost got around that, but it had mixed reactions. The idea was that Superman was mechanically unbeatable, but Metropolis had a health bar, and you had to effectively stop crimes and defeat bad guys before it got to a state where it fell to ruin.
Look up the game "Undefeated". It's free and the best superman game ever.
@@mfchimichanga lmao(injustice saga ) yeahh lol
I’m pretty sure the entire DCEU needs a Wha Happun episode. Even if it was split up into different parts
I warn you, that is a can of worms you don't want to open sir.
WB constantly interfered ending in the eventual sabotage of the entire game, so it's the DCEU all over again.
Hell, the DCEU is an entire Wha' Happened? episode in itself.
"If you thought I was gonna say something positive, well then you're probably running for office on Planet Wrong."
...I want this on a t-shirt.
So, I work for a small graphic design company that, once upon a time, had to deal with Warner Brothers for an event being held by our biggest client, who shall remain nameless as we're still on good terms...
This was in 2018 and WB have not changed one tiny bit.
We needed assets to make Harry Potter posters for an event (a special screening) but the management at WB were terrifically incompetent.
To make posters, we just needed a high-resolution vector image without the text on it, their official font bank, and that sort of industry standard stuff - you know; the original files, so we can make a new thing.
You know what they sent us?
A fucking JPEG. From a Google search.
No InDesign or Illustrator file, not a photoshop file, not even something with transparency or layers. A **JPEG**. It wasn't even full-sized.
After some back-and-forth we got a blank PNG out of them, but the resolution was still terrible considering we were supposed to expand it to fit on banners, bus ads, and a billboard. The emails were slow - despite us being in the same timezone - and there was a constant aura of distain to them. Like you were taking up valuable seconds of their day that they could be spending making money.
This went on for a month. Every time we needed even a wee little thing from them, it was a whole new game of email tag.
Eventually, we just gave up talking to them. It was faster to source or even make the assets from scratch using publicly available content than it was to get it from WB themselves.
The person we were given to contact wasn't even knowledgeable about some of the basic things we were asking for - like region-specific poster variants, design guidelines, and other really basic aspects of an IP's branding image.
I wasn't personally involved in the approval process for the final product, but I don't recall much stink being raised over it. I suspect WB was happy to forget about us, honestly. As long as what we submitted passed at a glance, they seemed to be happy.
Thank fuck for that.
We go paid, and have thus never had to work with them again.
It would not surprise me to find every single management-level person at WB had their job because of nepotism or they got promoted because they made money on something else, despite having absolutely no skill for the new position they were promoted into.
Avoid working with them at all costs. For your own mental health.
Wow, that's an awesome story and a terrible experience. 😂 It does give me kind of a refresher to know that sometimes working with the big leagues or working with a huge company that you dreamed of might not turn out to be what you exactly envisioned it to be.
Hope to see a What Happun on the Ouya soon. That console is already 6 years old and is still just as much of a joke as it’s ever been.
kiloken96 hopefully Google Stadia doesn't suffer the same fate... 👀
+Taiyah
"hopefully"
nah it's Google.
I saw it being up for sale at a game market over the weekend and it's amazing on how anyone would have own it by now. I felt the controller for a bit and my god, the triggers felt awful.
At least they managed to salvage everything even remotely good from Ouya...
The Amazing Frog is on Steam.
@@hhtptai That abomination better crash and burn. I like actually having some degree of ownership over the games I buy, thank you very much.
I'm surprised this wasn't the first episode!
Same. ET and Superman64 are the most known
I thought this video had already been made lmao
WB licensing team: You can't have Superman swim underwater, that's not faithful to the character!
Also WB licensing team: You should make Superman be the mayor of metropolis and deal with urban planning and construction!
Also I find it ironic that WB would be this touchy about Superman doing bad things...
Then Injustice happened, y'know that fighting game where Superman goes insane over weird plot contrivance shennanigans involving Mr. We Live In A Society himself, and fucking melts a kid's brain off for refusing to murder people with him.
I know bringing this comparison might be a bad idea and it might stir up some trouble but I got no choice: the difference between the Evil Superman from Injustice and edgy Superman from the DCEU is that the former has a well written and established storyline and character development, the other is just a mess, edgy for the sake of it.
Injustice Superman believed what he was doing was for the greater good and best thing for mankind but he was completely proven wrong by that other guy who also believed no matter what you do, society and mankind would always stab your back and devolve into anarchy and evil deeds. That other guy I'm talking about wears a batsuit though. 😅
@@Gideon13397 I mean, you’re right but I wouldn’t go so far as to call injustice well written.
"Superman can't act as a bad person"
If you have a character that can't do anything wrong for any reason, you may have fucked your character up irreparably.
Another potentially good and interesting piece of gaming that was ruined by the arbitrary decisions and stupidity of a big corporation
no I've seen titus's. other games they where a terrible game dev that always produced shit
@@imp360 Could be worse. Could be Capstone, the pinnacle of entertainment software.
2 sides to every story, and tidus never made good games
imp360 - That doesn’t mean much. Nobody expected Sony Pictures Animations to make a good Spiderman Movie because all of their previous movies were terrible. Then Spiderverse happened. You know, arguably the best Spiderman movie? If not the best, at least one of the best?
Titus had the chance to make an honestly amazing, ground-breaking game and it was robbed from them.
@@jerryborjon I think the original Spider-Man film is the best but to each their own.
Matt uploaded a Wha Happun on Superman 64? Then there's no time to waste!
"Superman 64 was then kneecapped by-"
*Wine commercial plays*
Super weird. I could have sworn the ads were placed in specific spots when this was originally uploaded. I shifted them back to where they SHOULD be. Lemme know if that worked!
In honor of Batman’s 80th Anniversary, Batman & Robin: Wha Happun?
Batman forever on SNES.
The game or the movie? I think the game would potentially be a lot more interesting, considering it was trying to be an open world action and detective game on PS1.
I'm wondering this as well.
I think they mean the movie specifically, but both would be interesting.
@@wchan39 I want a nostalgia critic / what happened crossover!
Games I can't wait for
Battleborn
Dmc2
Spyro enter the dragonfly
The worst part is battleborne wasn't a bad game. It was actually damned good, but it had terrible release timing, randy pitchford hounding over it and dogshit marketing. It could have been so good if not for all the bad release decisions
Thing is, Battleborn is a good game with some really great and funny writting but it had to be released near Overwatch so people started comparing even though BB is more of a first person MOBA then a hero shooter
Okay, I haven't actually played it so I don't have an opinion on battleborn, but my fiance bought the collectors edition at launch so I am sympathetic to it's fan base, however, let's keep in mind that "what happened" isn't just for bad games, it's also for games with disastrous development cycles, and receptions, clearly there are people who were ready to love that game, so it's sad that it turned out this way, but I'm morbidly curious as to what went on behind the scenes; and I bet it's all Randy's fault.
@@N3rv3d4m4g3 he publicly linked to a battleborn r34 subreddit and went "oh dont click on it". So yeah, that should let you know
Why spyro?!
Warner Bros: Are you sure you wanna make this game?
Titus: Yes.
WB: Are you REALLY sure?
Titus: YES.
WB: Last chance...
Titus: YES ALREADY, ITS NOT LIKE ANYONE ELSE WILL DO IT!!
WB: *Okay because I'm about to do what's called a SEGA move*
What Happun - Dragonball: Evolution
Ooooo that would be interesting
That might actually be too painful to even watch.
What Happun: The directors nor the actors actually watched the show🤦🏽♂️ the end
Well...to make it simple....the directors knew jack shit about dragon ball z, and they even had the creator of DBZ with them and treated him as an obstacle and ignored him. Like...completely ignored him. Which the creator left and made DBZ battle of gods for a certain "fuck you" to the directors of dragonball evolution.
Live action anime movies will always be bad
1:40 OMG that's a cape, i was wondering why Spider-Man was jumping without falling and why his arm was a wet noodle.
The first time I played Superman 64, was on a N64 emulator. I honestly thought the rom was corrupted in some way
What happun? Is one of my favorite shows. Excellent stuff with awesome research. Keep it up dude!
Damn imagine paying someone just to tell them not to do their job. So this game is Anthem but for the N64
nah, Anthem was:
EA: "hey, bioware, we've been paying you to develop your space game for like seven years now, is it ready to come out?"
Bioware, hurriedly rushign to make somethign playable from the dozens of half-backed, built then scrapped then built againd then scrapped again idea: Yes, boss!
I held off on watching Wha Happun for a long time but I've been missing out! Going through the series now and really like Matt's approach to how he handles the videos. He still has that fun and humor we expect from him but has a great journalistic approach to the research and content. Thanks again, Mr. McMuscles!
Stop teasing me with those Transformers Rise of the Dark Spark bits!
On the topic of comic book games, let's see episodes on:
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (Movie and Game)
Deadpool video game
Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (A EA licensed Marvel game)
Sega's Marvel games
The canceled 2012 Avengers game by THQ, that became Avengers: Battle for Earth
Edit: Batman: Dark Tomarrow
@@SomeRandomJackAss the Ang Lee Hulk games is cool, but the Iron Man game deserves to be covered.
Marvel Nemesis would be an interesting one.
Most of Sega's marvel games were good, at least to me
So I just came to a shocking revelation: The only thing holding back Superman 64 was actually those who licensed the game. I had no idea just how much sabotage was actually in play before the game came out and for it to reach this level only blows the mind. Mind you we could draw parallels to how things work nowadays with say... what happened with Fantastic Four and Xmen, but it wasn't like Marvel had (too much) of a hand in those films eventually going belly up and Marvel eventually getting those movie rights back.
Jeez, the whole reason Superman 64 er-Superman: The New Superman Adventure was so bad was because WB kept screwing over the game developers? Damn, Titus needs more appreciation than flack for this game. They managed to do comic proof to WB to let them keep some of their idea for the game. WB deserves all the flack it can get.
ProtonJon was doing a let’s play on this game and he discussed some of the crap that went on with it. He also was contacted by someone who worked on it if I remember correctly. It has been a bit since I watched that. He also showed all of the game breaking glitches in the game which was quite entertaining.
Dude... Loving all your videos... Keep up the good work
Games you want to cover:
C&C4: Tiberian Twilight
Empire Earth 3
Simcity 2013
Yes please do simcity
Just ask Protonjon when he finishes his LP of this game.
So, never?
ProtonJon makes Superman episodes about as often as Tool makes albums.
Oooooh yeah! That guy! I been following that series for almost 10 years!
*cough* WatchProtonjonOnTwitch *cough cough*
Wha Happun?: Shadow the Hedgehog ...MAKE IT HAPPUN!
This is my favourite show on youtube right now. Keep it coming
"We never got around to suing them." God damn, they really weren't a US company eh?
Love these videos! Keep it up my man.
One of the best and most highly underrated games of all time...if you havnt played it, dont hesitate to pick up this masterpiece
Well this one was just depressing.
Awwww yeah I've been WAITING for this one!
I follow your tweets but I didn't know you had a youtube channel, this is awesome stuff, Matt
I LOOOOVE all the Wha Happun?! Episodes lately. Thanks for the content and hard work.
The years have changed, but Warner Bros. hatred towards Superman hasn't changed.
Nice video! You sure put a lot of effort into it
When I just stumbled on your channel, I knew this had to be an episode.
I remember I rented a n64 from blockbuster just to play this game! I was never so pissed in my life! I wasted all that money I saved at age 10 !
This one has long been coming. Funny thing I remember when this came out on 64 and lol I didnt mind it. Looking back..i was a foolish child.
Great work on the research.
I've been waiting for this!!!!
The way I've always considered you'd need to make a Superman game is to model it somewhat on Spider-Man PS4 open world formula. But since Superman is nearly invincible, the fail states you have to worry about are mission based. I'm not saying give the city itself a health meter like that one game did from the '00s. But if bad guys, rob a bank, the challenge has to be about stopping them from getting away and making sure to avoid a certain threshold of casualties, as you would if you were Superman. Maybe in the late game, things escalate, and you start dealing with enemies with magic, or kryptonite, or who are just strong enough to actually damage Superman, adding the extra challenge that you can now die in combat, rather than just be stalled
11:47 *Young Angry Joe would have no doubt been heartbroken to have heard of this news way back then in the late 90's and all. :'(*
The problem that I think a lot of publishers don't understand when dealing with Superman is that he needs to be a story driven character. His entire character is based around being a god among men, and existing between the worlds of Kryptonian and Kansas. While you can make compelling boss battles, Superman has equals in power and massive threats he faces, they need to still incorporate who he is as a character. By implementing things like limited time to save metropolis from those threats, or protecting those that can't protect themselves, you can add that stress that Superman would feel despite his powers. His games should not be played in the same way a Batman game would be played because they are fundamentally different.
“Fuster clucks” is now in my vocabulary.
A fully functioning Superman game, particularly with modern technology, really shouldn't be hard to do.
*Points at Kakarot* Like... one of those, please.
The Robotech games would be awesome in this series, specially “Robotech: Invasion”.
That was a great episode. It was really amazing to watch it. :)
"Running for office on Planet Wrong"...
I am SO using that in every day speech. That is brilliant
Superman deserves a real good game. Man I wish I had the money to buy the rights.
New episode of wha happun?
"Then there's no time to waste!"
"EA Games would have created a better title."
Excuse me while I rush to the ER because I busted my gut laughing.
i let this video auto play and didn’t realize what game it was on till i heard the words “superman” and “nintendo 64” in the same sentence.
It was like getting jump scared
Wait wait wait wait WAIT. So you're telling me that Warner Bros genuinely believed that EA would have made a BETTER game?!
I'd love to see a Whut Happun for Bioshock: Infinite. Not because it's a bad game, but because the final product is a game stitched together by a thousand little compromises.
11:29 Is this what inspired the Planet Express logo? Looks so familiar!
I've watched about 10+ "WH?" and became totally hooked! Congratulations!
So basically, even back then, Wanner Brothers CANNOT do ANYTHING right?
LOL after the part at 5:20 you should have inserted a clip of Suicide Silence playing You Can't Stop Me (preferably from the music video for it) i would've lol'd
Also another thing, considering that in the early comics, Superman could shoot MINI VERSIONS OF HIMSELF OUT OF HIS HANDS, I think Warner Bros didn't really know what they were talking about.
Oh sweet. A video on my favorite game.
How do you put a series like Wha Happun out this fast?
Sonic X-treme would make for an interesting video, though it may have been done to death. I would be curious about the people involved and where they are now.
Games I want to see in the future
-Leisure Suit Larry Box Office Bust
-FFXIV the Original
-Bubble Bobble Revolution
-Project Copernicus (if you plan to do cancelled games for What Happun)
-Ouya
-Umbrella Corps
I know I’m late to this video, but it would have been pretty awesome to collab with Protonjon for this video. I know he would have rolled his eyes at being the “guy who played SM64” for the millionth time, but with how his videos/style goes with being informative, this show seems like a great place for him to collab.
This might be a longshot, but could you do a What Happened on the anime Wolf's Rain? It had a ton of great talent behind and it was totally squandered on a dull, meandering story and production issues that caused 4 consecutive recap episodes.
WB interference completley screws over a project, so basically Justice League.
I love that you used the music from maximum carnage.
there are many times i forget that this game existed. Now i can learn what happened.
WB really acted like a bunch of babies on this. They led to the downfall of a company for crying out loud, just because they thought they deserved more money. Babies
proton jon covers this game in a lp
But still yet to be finished...
Love that Maximum Carnage music in the background
This series is amazing
I remember seeing a bunch of copies of this game used at a gaming store and i was wondering why soo many used copies when it was just a new game oh boy i found out real quick after reading the reviews why this game was a travesty.
I've been waiting for this one lol
This was a fun game that I have fond memories of when I was like 4 or 5. I remember it had a multiplayer mode that I played with my younger brother
I used to blame Titus about this, but goddamn did your vid change my mind about that.