Should Andre Iguodala Make the Hall of Fame? | The Bill Simmons Podcast | The Ringer
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- Bill Simmons and Chuck Klosterman have a spirited debate about whether Iggy and other notable role players deserve a place in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.
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I agree with the statement, "he will probably will make the hall of fame but that says more about the hall of fame than it does about iguadola"
The basketball hall of fame qualifications are a joke
If Ben Wallace isn't in the Hall of Fame, Andre Iguodala should not be either.
PsyK Films Ben Wallace should be in the hall of fame.
@@aqgpandemic5406 Yeah, so Iguodala shouldn't even be considered until Ben is in
PsyK Films Exactly!
Ben Wallace 100% deserves to be in the HoF.
@E No, I'm saying that Ben Wallace clearly had a better career than Iguodala, so why should Iguodala get in if someone who is clearly a better player isn't allowed in?
I think the biggest thing going for him is the Finals MVP.
his introduction in the 2015 finals did swing the series but that FMVP belonged to Steph
Harun Thuo No Steph had the worse finals of any current MVP ever by a massive margin. not only did he not deserve finals MVP James Harden was the real season MVP and won the players vote by a large margin which as far as I’m concerned that matters more than what a bunch of reporters not good enough to play at the YMCA thinks
Steph averaged 26/7/6. Give that b.s, "didn't deserve it" storyline a rest. If Steph didn't deserve it, how does Iggy get it for averaging 16/6/4 and "holding" Lebron to 36/16/9. Iggy had worse numbers than Kawhi's first MVP as the 4th option on the Spurs.
@@africadondada6555 its unacceptable Steph didn't get a single vote. its downright disrespectful
People forget he was a multiple time all star when was with the sixers as well
“He guarded lebron for 4 straight years in the finals”. Iggy is so glorified for guarding a guy who averaged 34,12,8 for 4 straight finals
Dorm Life Sports watch the games instead of just stating the numbers. Iggy did the best job of guarding LeBron and made him work hard for his stat padding numbers
@@benlewin3724 stat padding in the finals or doing everything you can to try to keep your team close. When he was competing against a monopolized team? Before Draymond cried like a sissy to K.D (who ironically called a B****, later) were 1-1 against Lebrons Cavs and didnt they blow a 3-1 series lead?
It meant that KD, Klay and steph weren’t guarding him. If they were they would’ve been less effective on the other side of the ball and LeBron wins one of those series,
-probably 17. Certainly 15. I love those who say “stat pad” as an argument against the most statistically dominant player since Wilt Chamberlain-a 7 FT track star. I don’t think LeBron haters appreciate the sheer difficulty it takes to put up 20-25 shots 100 games a year for 17 straight years and be at the end more than half of your time in the league. If it were easy everyone would do it. You don’t have to love his game, him, or think he’s better than Jordan. No one has done what he’s done. That’s just a fact.
@@prizm2807 hey man, if westbrook , or damian lillard say something about draymond crying like sissy that is fine.
but lebron(Miami) james will never get that excuse.
Look at the numbers of LeBron when being guarded by Iggy then you’ll know definitely the 2015 finals LeBron numbers was misleading
Ron Harper was averaging 20 5 5 and 2 for 8 years before he went to the Bulls.
Yes, on TERRIBLE inefficient scoring. Those first 8 years his True Shooting Percentage was 51.5% the league average during those 8 seasons was 53.4% almost 2% below the league average which was very bad. His advanced numbers bear that out.
3× NBA champion (2015, 2017, 2018)
NBA Finals MVP (2015)
NBA All-Star (2012)
NBA All-Defensive Team (2014, 2011)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2005)
First-team All-Pac-10 (2004)
Olympic Gold medal - first place 2012 London
FIBA World Championship Gold medal - first place 2010 Turkey Team
He's a winner.
Still not a HOFer. He's never been the #1 or even #2 option on a playoff team. Coaches do not gameplan around him. He's a good player. He's not a HOFer.
facts bro hall of famer
Imagine going into the Hall of Fame with only 1 All Star appearance
One all star appearance.
Whats so bad about just being a very good player just outside the hall of fame?
I don't know. Lot of people make the hall of fame out to be some empirical metric for a player's greatness but there are guys like Cedric Maxwell and chris webber who are very good players who were not hall of famers
The NBA is a cuck league and doesnt want to hurt anybody feelings
I agree. I absolutely think Iggy does NOT belong in the Hall of Fame and yet he's one of my favorite players, one of the guys I enjoyed watching the most, one with some of the quickest defensive hands I've ever seen... and also one of the more interesting interviews and someone with a great sense of humor. Steve Kerr called him "the adult in the room" and I believe it. But that doesn't mean he belongs in the HoF.
Your name will fade like the rest of us.
I mean Iggy is a HOFer. If he had appropriate awards recognition (he should be 4-5 time all star and 3-4 all NBA, and have made 7-8 all defensive teams) it’s not a question. And to top that all off he has had a hugely valuable post prime career with the warriors where he even managed to win finals MVP
Tom Chambers should make the Hall of Fame. 20k career points, 4 time all star, all star mvp, 2 time All NBA second team and had a very good four year playoffs peak. Tom is better than Antawn.
you're speaking FACTS right here
so it's very simple. If Iguodala makes the HALL OF FAME then that means every role player who makes a big play or two during an NBA Finals and has a ring, from every season, should be considered for the HOF. And if his team wins the title twice, he's 90% in.
@@thsu8 He was a role player! He wasn't a star player was he? He played D and hit shots. He wasn't a playmaker or the go to scorer.... Let's be honest. He was excellent for the warriors in his ROLE. He has never been excellent anywhere else.
Don't forget he was an all star with the Sixers
@@quintondorsey7362 Roy Hibbert was an All-Star. Twice.
@@thsu8 he was a role player. If youre not one of the top 3 on your team you just might be a role player..
@@quintondorsey7362 was
I think Rondo is one of the more interesting debates to have. He was a top 4 player on 2 different championship teams over 10years apart for the 2 most historic franchises. Several games during the Celtics 2010 playoff run he was their best player. 1allnba , 4 defensive teams, lead league in assists 3× steals 1×, but several seasons where he wasn't even a top 5 player on bad teams.
I used to think Rondo wasnt a hall of famer, but his resume is pretty similar to Mo Cheeks whos in the HOF. So who knows at this point
Rondo is in
The basketball hall of fame is a joke, they’re way more lenient with who gets in than any other sport
Yeah it’s because NBA doesn’t have a hall of fame.
It’s the total sport of basketball 🏀 . If you dedicate your life to the game you can make it in. High school coaches are in the same Hall of fame as Jordan,Bird, and Magic.
slickeddy2000 people really forget it’s not about the NBA
That’s because it’s the hardest sport to be good at
xxjeff187 not true whatsoever, I could give you so many reasons why
Busta Nutt you’re reason would be ridiculous it’s the highest paying sport and has the least amount of players in the nba than any other league
How is Billups not a Hall of Famer?
Billups is borderline but in. I don't think Igoudala is close to being in.
He's a 3 time champion, all time defensive wing, dunk champ, olympic gold medalist, fiba world champion…
… And the golden ticket: Finals MVP
Dunk champ LMAOO. Whats next? NBC sports player of the night???
@@ErieSonics apparently he didn't even win it, hahahah.
Nate Robinson won that year,
But Iggy's dunks were 🤮
@@EzekielDBarrettMario Chalmers and Mike Miller won consecutive championships. Should they be in?
Hell no! He’s a great role player later in his career. Good prime career. But definitely not HOF.
Hey if Vince Carter is making the hall, he should make the hall
Dude literally everyone makes the hall of fame. And it’s the basketball hall of fame, so the dude had a finals mvp and an Olympic gold medal, he’s a lock for hall of fame whether he deserves it or not.
Basketball hall of fame is much easier to get into than the football hof
Should Horace Grant be a HOF cuz if Iggy is Horace should be too.
Marcos Levy was Horace grant ever a finals mvp? Hell no
Brandon Franzen
Chauncy billups was and he was the actual leader. No one is talking about him being a HOFer
Mr Mime big shot is definitely a hall of famer
Mr Mime both Billups and iggy have never been top 3 in their position in any yr.
@@brandonfranzen5191 iggy shouldn't have that finals mvp for 1
Great discussion. It's also kind of weird that a player can make the Hall of Fame without being a consistent NBA All-Star Team. Iguodala made it once, Horry and Fisher never made it.
Horry is not in the hall though to my knowledge
None of those guys are in the Hall of fame though
The fact that this question is actually a discussion is almost troubling to me. Iguodala is a champion and absolutely a guy you want on your team if you are establishing a championship winning/contending culture within your franchise, but the standard for who should be in the HOF is just too low if Iggy is somehow seriously considered. He was never a All-NBA type guy. Made ONE all-star team. Never an MVP type performer for an entire season. He was tremendous in the 15 finals but they very easily could have given the finals MVP to Steph Curry (probably should have). If Iggy gets in the HOF, then they might as well find a way to get Bob Horry, Lambier and and Draymond in there as well.
If JR Smith doesn’t make it in there then I’ll lose all respect for this institution
"Its because of ONE shot in ONE game which reminds people" - basically summed up Kyrie Irving's career. His ONE shot in the finals against Golden State and all of a sudden he is a superstar that teams can build around.
Idk his 40 pt game in the finals is nothing to scoff at u could probably count on one hand the amount of guys who could do that
@@howardbankler66 No one is scoffing at it. He deserves all the credit in the world for hitting a big shot on the biggest stage in the game. But aside from that he's done nothing worth mentioning before and after that shot. Kyrie has been a headcase everywhere he goes even now in Brooklyn. Evidently he does not make his teammates better and a lot of the time they play better WITHOUT Kyrie. Don't get me wrong though because he IS a good player. But he wouldn't even be top 20 to me. Maybe 21.
yo Upadhyaya Kyrie is a great second option for a championship.. he can give buckets to ANYONE. But that doesn’t make you a championship. Dude is toxic as a leader, hopefully him and KD can win. But people putting Kyrie in the same category as curry are dumb
lmao did you watch the league before the 15-16 season? Kyrie had building block written all over him he got superstar talk waaaaay before hitting that shot lmao he played with LeBron for a full year before that shot of course he’s a second talking point playing in the same city as Lebron.
UeProductionz lmao bro you have no clue what your talking about. Did you not watch from him 2010-2015?
If you only look at Iggy's offensive production, yea obviously he's not in the HOF, but he was a massive part of a dynasty who defended the world's best player 4 years straight.
Regardless, a Finals MVP will get you in the HOF 95% of the time. He'll get in.
Fact, Iggy help anchor one of the best defensive teams ever, nobody talks about how great they were on defense!
@@brettthomas6327 No doubt, the Warriors won the 2017 Finals because they could defend that Cavs record setting offense
He will regardless, the Basketball HoF is the easiest of any sport 🤷🏾♂️
LeBeautiful that is very true, and with all his rings the big role he’s played in those rings, and his great borderline star career he had before GS. There’s no way he doesn’t make it, especially considering all the previous nominees that are way less deserving
If Ginobili‘s supposed to make it, I don’t see why Iggy wouldn’t.
Jordan S regardless of what it’s technical name is or who owns it, it’s irrelevant to the fact that it is 99.9% composed of nba players.
Ben Simmons Ginobili is a top 5 International player ever and he’s way better than iggy
Ben Simmons You don’t anything about man. There’s no comparison between those two player. You’re probably 12yrs old, you didn’t watch Manu play
Hell no, and I’m a Sixers fan. This dude was our best player for years and didn’t even average over 20pts once. If he gets in, then Big Shot Bob should get in too.
Matt Coupe yeah he was supposed to be a really great role player for us but ended up our featured player for many years
Ron Harper was never an all star or on the all defensive team twice. Or Finals MVP.
I didnt know being an all star and getting defensive team twice was HOF worthy. I guess the standards are low
@@richieblack5530 I mean, 3 titles, 5 conference titles, 1 finals MVP, primary wing defender, major part of one of the greatest teams ever, and that's not to say anything about a pretty solid career in Philly before. He's got a pretty solid argument for Hall of Fame, in my opinion.
Stop it with the finals MVP. He was the absolute most undeserving finals MVP in any sport.
@@jaydehowell5218 I remember collecting all of those Iggy 76ers basketball cards said no one ever. Dude was a role player on a championship team.
Pause, Antwan Jamison is not making it to the Hall.
Let’s not forget how good Jamison was
Roland taylor good but not great, not a HOFer IMO.
Except for that one season he played with Lebron, everyone considers him one of his “garbage teammates”
TWCGoat he was def not trash as a player maybe when he played with Labron but when has he ever played with a post player besides AD I guess and let that player shine
Did he even make an all star team?
Every "GREAT" team has great glue guys. Guys who do things that do not show up on stat sheets but when you know basketball and see them, you see that they are holding it all together. Draymond and Iggy are great glue guys. Ainge, Horry, Rodman, Kerr, Michael Cooper, Bryon Scott, Bill Laimbeer, and Shawn "The Matrix" Marion, these guys make great teams possible by being selfless. Not caring who gets the credit, who they have to guard, what role they play on the team, or if they play at all. They are usually an extension of the coach and put TEAM first. If you look at most of great glue guys teams, bet they all made the playoffs at a super percentage because winning meant more than money.
Iggy was pivotal for that first championship run
Not really. The Warriors would still win in 2015 if he wasn't on that team.
@@richieblack5530 the warriors was losing the finals until kerr put iggy in the starting line up. The hell you talking about
@@0005cd last time I saw Kyrie got hurt mid way through the series. They won because of that not cause Iggy was put as a starter
Without Iggy, they wouldn't have won the title. Without Steph, they wouldn't have won even a single game in the series. Steph was more valuable by every objective metric. (But LeBron, despite being on the losing team, was objectively the most valuable INDIVIDUAL player in the series).
@@richieblack5530 I don't think so; but still, that doesn't mean he was the most valuable player on the team.
He has 2 gold medals with the national team.
Meh
@@Hotobu also 3 time champ finals MVP
HOF for a player is an individual accomplishment, not a team one. Being the fourth best player (if that) on a team isn't noteworthy.
@Sazid _ there's been years where bench players have won Finals MVP
Even there he was a role player.
Iggy has made a lot of clutch plays for the Warriors, both offensively and especially defensively.
Borderline, yeah. But Horry was never the leader that Iggy is. He was never the #1/2 scoring option that Iggy was in the first half of his career.
Hell no. Glorified bench guy. Not counting his 76ers career.
There are lots of really good role players that make every team they go to better, and who you'd like to have on a contending squad. Horace Grant, Andre Iguodala, Tyson Chandler, Charles Oakley, Luol Deng, Danny Ainge, Robert Horry, and on and on. They aren't HoF'er though. They're just great role players. All contending teams need guys like that, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be in the friggin hall of fame.
His Finals MVP needs an asterisk, they only gave it to him because they don't give it to a player on the losing team (LeBron).
yeah that was the dumbest thing, it 10000% was lebron and he really deserved it for his legacy
Absolutely LeBron was the most valuable player objectively. And absolutely Steph was the second most valuable player objectively. Okay, so they weren't going to give it to LeBron, because, since that one time with Jerry West, it's basically a given that it's going to go to a player from the winning team. And the voters picked Iggy over Steph in for very narrative-driven reasons, including that they wanted to reward a guy for being willing to go to the bench for the good of the team, and also because the series shifted when Iggy went to the starting lineup. But that doesn't change the fact that objectively Steph was more valuable to the team in that series than Iggy was.
I ALWAYS thought it was sus they gave Iggy the MVP for his defense on LeBron meanwhile Lebron is averaging 36 13 8 in the series
Zayd Ahmad on terrible percentages
Let's not forget that iguadala has won a finals MVP something that holds a lot of value
So did Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups.
Not when you beat a team that had 2 of its star players injured
They robbed Steph
I love his game and all but he's not a HOF.
bruh Iggy was the franchise player on the 76ers AND the Nuggets. this dude really said when was Iggy ever a top 3 player on his own team. does he not remember? Dude was seen as the go to scorer and leader of both those teams
Those teams got bounced out in the first round
The guy made one all star team... go to scorer!?
Lol Iggy was no franchise player for the Nuggets
How old are you? What an awful take. Iggy was such a franchise player he bounced around from Denver to Philly in his prime. He was lucky like everyone in goldenstate that curry and klay were who they were.
Mark Price should be in the Hall Of Fame.
He actually led a team to a conference finals. Iggy wishes he did.
Best comparison is Mark Aguirre, going Detroit, sacrificing playing time, to basically be an Adrian Dantley, but willing to come off the bench
If Dennis Johnson, Grant Hill & Dino Radja (2 of them had short careers) made it. Iggualda definitely makes it.
You actually compared GRANT HILL to Andre Igoudala?! 7x All-Star 2x NCAA champion Grant Hill?!
@@Hotobu we are talking about NBA hall of fame....how many titles did Grant Hill contribute to?
@@Phonsuk There is no such thing as the NBA Hall of Fame. It's the "Basketball Hall of Fame".
Boski Woski Grant Hill is one of the greatest college basketball players of All time & he was phenomenal his first 6 years in the league. He finished his career strong as well
Bit shpuld they have?
Iggy should make it, played in USA team, played good with longevity, efficient both offensively and defensively. And GSW will not make it without him. Crucial stops, lockdown scorers and share experience with other guys. Besides why argue if the guy didnt made the shot? Bottomline he made it. He always do every time when it counts, all day!!!
If Tom Chambers and Ben Wallace aren’t hall of famers then Iggy shouldn’t
FACTS
I think I can blow this argument up with one name... Horace Grant.
He’s a 4 time NBA champion to Iggys 3. 1 All Star to Iggys 1. 4 time NBA defensive second team to Iggys 1 Defensive First team and 1 Second team. And he was averaging something like 15-10-3 for his first three championships and like 8-8-2 for his one with the Lakers. Made a finals with the Magic as well as like a 14-8-2 guy. While Iggy was like a 7-4-3 guy for his Championship runs. The only thing Iggy has over him is 4 seasons where he averaged 17-19 ppg on a shit team that finals MVP. Which is pretty suspect if you ask me. 16.3, 5.8, 4.0. Not exactly Finals MVP numbers. It’s all about what he supposedly did on defense to Lebron.
37 players have won 4 Championships or more. 25 are in the Hall. Out of those 12 that aren’t, Grant is the only one with an All Star appearance to his name. If we aren’t talking about Horace Grant in the Hall, we shouldn’t be talking about Iggy...
By the way... As for Iggys defense on James in that series... James has one of the best Finals in history. 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, 8.8 assist. But Iggy gets Finals MVP for “shutting him down...”? Please. Ooh but Lebron only shot 40% from the floor. .477 true shooting %. That’s really not that bad considering he was having to do so much offensively...
I mean James probably should have won a Jerry West style losing Finals MVP. But I guess they don’t do that anymore. So Steph should have won. Even if he didn’t have the best Finals...
These people think Draymond Green should be in. If he gets in then Iggy will 100%
I mean, if you're worried about stats, you can take a look and see that Iggy has good enough career stats for the hall.
He's top 100 (or very close) in almost every single career metric - normal or advanced. He's not top 100 career points, but he's ahead of plenty of HOF players in that regard too. You can argue that the hall isn't selective enough - and that's fair, but iggy was and is still better than many guys who have made the hall, and has a FMVP to his name.
Some nice accolades too:
3x Champion
Olympic Gold Medalist
2x All defense
1x All Star
1 FMVP
Worse guys are in the hall, and Iggy still has a few years left if he wants. He should get in.
you should do more videos like this where you get clips out of pods
I never saw Mitch Richmond play. But I checked his stats and he scored over 20,000 points, made all star 6 times and all nba 5 times in 13 years as a pro. Also won ROTY averaging 22! That's a pretty good resume! I'm sure there're worse players in the HOF. What's Bill got against Mitch Richmond?!?!? Is it because he got a ring coming off the bench in his last year with the lakers?
Almost no success in the post season
Iggy is a Hall of Famer facts he made the right decision to go to the Golden State he wanted those rings he's a smart man love my Iguodala
He is not a HOF
First of all, you're clearly expressing an opinion, so why the fuck are you saying "facts"? And secondly, he was a starter for 10 years-- a significant body of work!-- and yet at no time was he good enough for anyone to decide to call him a top 15 player in the NBA. Like... not even once. 10 years in a row he could've been voted to an All NBA team, and 10 years in a row he just wasn't good enough.
So he's a guy who is a valuable role player on a great team with several multi-year All NBA players on it, all of whom are better than him, and a guy who had a 10-year starter career throughout his 20s and yet couldn't ever convince anyone he was even in the top 15 in the NBA... NOT EVEN ONCE.
Just for comparison: not counting this unfinished year, Paul George now has 8 seasons as as a starter an FIVE times he's been named to an All NBA team, peaking at first team last year. And all I'm asking for Iggy is... in 10 years, can't you do it even ONCE? Like... even when leading the 76ers in win shares 5x, no one saw him as a top 15 player... not even once? That's about where he is.
That finals mvp will get iguodala in along with that 4th ring. People can complain about it all they want, but every comparison in this video either wasn't an allstar, wasn't all defense, or wasn't a finals mvp.
Andre Iguodala will make the HOF. His accolades are ridiculous. His NBA Finals MVP solidified it.
Ross JP 1x Allstar, 1x Defensive 1st Team, 1x Defensive 2nd team, 3x Champion, 1x finals mvp...what’s so ridiculous about that? He’s a good solid player but he isn’t a HOFer
@@saiyannamekian8341
Don't forget international play and his Finals MVP easily puts it over the top. He may not be a first ballot HOFer but he's there.
5:11 How do some of these people get paid to talk sports?🤦🏾♂️ since was Klay Thompson ever the 4th option on the warriors besides maybe his rookie year
Brandon Thomas he meant 3rd, calm down
Andre Iguodala the only finals MVP not in the hall of fame. Derrick Rose the only regular season MVP not in the hall of fame. What a time we live in.
Should consider two tiers to the Hall of Fame. Tier A, your traditional best of the best players. Then a tier B, those that would have made the HOF except for injuries (Ralph Sampson, Penny Hardaway etc.) and super role players (the entire 2004 Pistons team, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, John Salley types).
He was a top 3 guy on his team in Philly and Denver. Next
I think he would probably say that he didn't accomplish anything meaningful enough in those stints to be considered an effective top 3 option, which diminishes their significance. He would say we're only making this argument cause he was on the Warriors and even that wasn't really all that impressive.
The fact that this IS even a conversation makes him a hall of famer
It the basketball hof not just nba.
iggy and dray will 100% make the HOF
Not a HOFer, but don’t forget him being a top talent and not some fifth wheel. He was going to be Denver’s stud and even led them to the playoffs first year there and then super teams super team.
Iggy has been an invaluable piece to some terrific teams. With guys like him the numbers tell the whole story.
They just need to establish a basement level/guy and say "OK, anyone who gets in has to have better stats than this"
I’d like to see Curry, Klay, Durant, Draymond, Iguodala all in the hall of fame. Iguodala is the ultimate teammate, the ultimate playoffs guy, the overlooked guy who you do actually need to win championships. If you’re obsessed with stats you’re gonna miss the intangible effort some guys put in and encourage guys like Westbrook to chase stats sometimes at the expense of their team
Might as well add Robert Horry and Horace Grant into the HOF as well
Masked Savage Both or either are cool with me
If billups isn't in neither should iggy
When you mentioned Draymond, all i could think about was Skip Bayless saying he is "head and shoulders" above Chuck...how disrespectful can you be? With him saying that, his arguments against LeBron actually make Lebron look even better.
If he makes it better make Bruce Bowen too
If he’s a hall of famer, than Robert Horry the most overlooked 6th man and role and clutch player of all time should be before him. He won rings for multiple franchises and made big shots in all those finals to win rings.
Iggy: 2x Olympic Gold Medalist, 2x All Defensive Team, 1x All Star, 1x Finals MVP.
Horry: 0x Olympic Gold Medalist, 0x All Defensive Team, 0x All Star, 0x Finals MVP.
But you're comparing because?.......
@@blacknetsmed you ain’t say shit.
I think a question worth debate is how important is defense to legacy/hall of fame.
More like a lesser version of Pippen. Either way, he doesn't belong in the hall.
Iggy is this generation's Horace Grant. Good players, key for championships teams with their defense, but neither should be in the Hall of Fame
Grant was better
If Igoudala makes the hall of fame. Robert Horry should make it, Ron Harper should make it. Detlef Schrempf should make it, Rolando Blackman should make it. Antwan Jamison should make it. Shawn Marion should make it. Andre has hit big shots in big games because he had stars carry him to the big games. Hs wasnt the driving force for any teams deep playoff run.
Shawn Marion > Andre Iguodala 1000% of the time.
You should make the Hall of Fame it's players in the Hall of Fame with the less achievements then him he's done something nobody has done before he started new games and was the finals MVP for that alone he should be handed a gold jacket
So we're just gonna forget Iggy on Denver. Putting up solid numbers as their number 1 option. Goes to show Players who sacrifice stats for the sake of championships never get the recognition they deserve. Iggy in his prime was an athletic defensive genius who was a perfect all around player for his position. Iggy could lead a team on his own and has in the past unlike some of the other names the dude was spouting out.
I think hes disrespecting richmond
He made 5 all nba teams.
Dude has had a hall of fame CAREER. He is a lock.
@@Kingsley114 Let's wait and see hey
Wish there were more of these bite sized Simmons videos.
People need to shift their ideas about what makes players valuable in 2019. Still using the same metrics and ideas as people did when talking about players' Hall of Fame cases in 1983, should stick out as an issue..
Whenever basketball has its real advanced stat revolution, Iggy is gonna be seen as one of the best players of this era.
For as long as everyone cares about iso scoring and shot creation above every fucking thing else on the court, maybe not.. but whenever fans actually smarten up, he'll be seen as more valuable than a LOT of guys that currently hold status above him.
You have to WATCH alot of basketball to attain this insight. The majority of laymen basketball fans watch like half a game and just react to what the stars do.
He’s a great glue guy, but not as great of a role player like Scottie Pippen or Ginobli. I’d say he’s just outside of the HOF. 2nd or 3rd ballot.
TizOnly1 The Hall of Fame is supposed to be a compilation of basketballs greatest Stars. Iggy doesn’t make the cut. The HoF hasn’t even let Ben Wallace in yet, a 4 time DPOY. And players already in the Hall vote on the HOF inductees, they decide the requirements. So why should their methods be questioned by the unqualified?
Don Maya 2nd or 3rd ballot? Dude do you even know what you’re talking about? Lol how can you say he’s right outside the HoF & then say he’s 2nd or 3rd ballot? 2nd ballot, 3rd ballot, etc are still Hall of Famers.
@@369pendulum the Hall of Fame is a representation of what people believe represents greatness at the sport at whatever given time.
I think it's OBVIOUS that basketball "thought" still just exists at a very low level, and that there's a revolution in that thought on the horizon. I think whenever that happens, Iggy will be understood better.
To say you could’ve replaced iggy with 25 guys so fucking ridiculous
Bill is using Mitch Richmond as the low hall of fame standard, but Mitch made 5 all-nba teams, not a big Mitch fan but making that many all-nba teams means he was mostly considered an elite player during his prime. Bills mentioning guys like Antawn and Iggy who never made all-nba teams. I think never making all-nba is the cutoff for consideration.
He should be in the Hall of Very Good.
Chuck's argument is based on players with better careers haven't made the HOF while Bill's argument is based on players with worse careers have made the HOF.
Nah if Iguoadala wasn't with the Warriors this question would've laughable
Jesus its getting out of hand .....dude was the 4th best player on his team
when i think Iguodala i think great 2 way role player...i do not think historically important star.
If iggy makes it they better put Robert Horry also
He’s a finals MVP.
A role player
WHAT WILL IT SAY ABOUT THE HALL OF FAME IF THEY DONT LET IN A GUY WHO WON A FINALS MVP. 3 TIME CHAMPION. HOW IS THIS AN ARGUMENT. TRACY IS IN THE HOF YET THAT DIDN WIN SHIT. BUT THERE ISNT AN ARGUMENT FOR HIM
As much as i am a fan of iggy, he's not a hofer. Hall of fame should be a collection of many accolades on your resume, 2 all nba def teams, one fmvp and 1 all star appearance is not enough.
The basketball HOF is a joke honestly, it's like a participation reward
he has a finals mvp and three rings which he was the 6th man and the most important defender of his team. of course he should, klostermann is bullshiting to great heights.
Somehow, Iggy has never won the Sixth Man of the Year award.
@@fishflake1209 i guess it's about volume more than anything when it's the individiual season awards. and there aren't many shot attempts to give iguodala in a warriors team with splash brothers. he is just complemeting whatever is needed and it's good enough for being a great 6th man.
Iggy should make the Backstabber Hall of Fame (Hello George Karl and the Denver Nuggets)
In no world, or under any circumstances is Iggy a hall of famer. Dumbest question ever
Looking at the basketball hall of fame he most likely will be.
Iggy's a good player, but you shouldn't get HOF for being a glue guy on a great team. Being the 4th or 5th best player on a dynasty shouldn't be enough. Basically, it's only an argument cause he got that Finals MVP and that also shouldn't be enough.
Greens case is much better than iggys....
I hate draymond but he was the life blood of that dynasty and arguably the best defender in the nba for 2 or 3 seasons
4 titles in 5 years? WHAT??
He is a hall of famer. He was in the finals 6 straight times. The only finals mvp that didnt start a regular season game. 3-time champion. Olympic Gold medalist and fiba gold medalist. All star. Rookie-Sophomore mvp. He was also on denver's crazy 2013 win streak. And his playoff winrate is impressive.
Wrong again the warriors won 3 out of 5 two with durant and one without durant. Iggy was the 3rd best player on the warriors team when they won the first championship and he won the mvp of the finals guarded lebron and lebron got his numbers but the percentages were really low and people forget how good iguodala was. Definitely HOF
5 yrs later and Jamison isn't on the hof. Richmond made six consecutive All star teams with no talent around him
I like essential glues guys making the hall of fame.
Will Rajon Rondo make the HOF
100% Rondo deserves Hof before Iggy.
Now ya
This isn't Whataboutism. If Chris Webber isn't in, neither should Ben Wallace. Like, what? Not the same player at all.
No. We've lost sight of who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. When I visit the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, I want to see legends, greats of the game. It has to mean something.
If Mitch Richmond is a HOFer, the Iggy is 💯 in
Any guy who does what he's doing to Mephis should not be in the hall of fame
That 18' cavs team lost by an average of like 20 points, Iguodala being gone would not have made a difference
If iggy get in it’s official. They let everyone but C Webb And Ben Wallace in.