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  • @anddanny2263
    @anddanny2263 4 роки тому +360

    I agree with the statement, "he will probably will make the hall of fame but that says more about the hall of fame than it does about iguadola"

    • @bobbylyht4123
      @bobbylyht4123 4 роки тому +4

      The basketball hall of fame qualifications are a joke

  • @pearlywhites3025
    @pearlywhites3025 5 років тому +559

    If Ben Wallace isn't in the Hall of Fame, Andre Iguodala should not be either.

    • @aqgpandemic5406
      @aqgpandemic5406 5 років тому +71

      PsyK Films Ben Wallace should be in the hall of fame.

    • @pearlywhites3025
      @pearlywhites3025 5 років тому +53

      @@aqgpandemic5406 Yeah, so Iguodala shouldn't even be considered until Ben is in

    • @369pendulum
      @369pendulum 5 років тому +2

      PsyK Films Exactly!

    • @kingmostofall5921
      @kingmostofall5921 5 років тому +34

      Ben Wallace 100% deserves to be in the HoF.

    • @pearlywhites3025
      @pearlywhites3025 4 роки тому +26

      @E No, I'm saying that Ben Wallace clearly had a better career than Iguodala, so why should Iguodala get in if someone who is clearly a better player isn't allowed in?

  • @TheKhaniProject
    @TheKhaniProject 4 роки тому +128

    I think the biggest thing going for him is the Finals MVP.

    • @harunthuo2610
      @harunthuo2610 4 роки тому +15

      his introduction in the 2015 finals did swing the series but that FMVP belonged to Steph

    • @gobot581
      @gobot581 4 роки тому +6

      Harun Thuo No Steph had the worse finals of any current MVP ever by a massive margin. not only did he not deserve finals MVP James Harden was the real season MVP and won the players vote by a large margin which as far as I’m concerned that matters more than what a bunch of reporters not good enough to play at the YMCA thinks

    • @africadondada6555
      @africadondada6555 4 роки тому +13

      Steph averaged 26/7/6. Give that b.s, "didn't deserve it" storyline a rest. If Steph didn't deserve it, how does Iggy get it for averaging 16/6/4 and "holding" Lebron to 36/16/9. Iggy had worse numbers than Kawhi's first MVP as the 4th option on the Spurs.

    • @harunthuo2610
      @harunthuo2610 4 роки тому +4

      @@africadondada6555 its unacceptable Steph didn't get a single vote. its downright disrespectful

    • @quintondorsey7362
      @quintondorsey7362 4 роки тому

      People forget he was a multiple time all star when was with the sixers as well

  • @willyboods5197
    @willyboods5197 4 роки тому +143

    “He guarded lebron for 4 straight years in the finals”. Iggy is so glorified for guarding a guy who averaged 34,12,8 for 4 straight finals

    • @benlewin3724
      @benlewin3724 4 роки тому +10

      Dorm Life Sports watch the games instead of just stating the numbers. Iggy did the best job of guarding LeBron and made him work hard for his stat padding numbers

    • @prizm2807
      @prizm2807 4 роки тому +21

      @@benlewin3724 stat padding in the finals or doing everything you can to try to keep your team close. When he was competing against a monopolized team? Before Draymond cried like a sissy to K.D (who ironically called a B****, later) were 1-1 against Lebrons Cavs and didnt they blow a 3-1 series lead?

    • @troyduffie3836
      @troyduffie3836 4 роки тому +8

      It meant that KD, Klay and steph weren’t guarding him. If they were they would’ve been less effective on the other side of the ball and LeBron wins one of those series,
      -probably 17. Certainly 15. I love those who say “stat pad” as an argument against the most statistically dominant player since Wilt Chamberlain-a 7 FT track star. I don’t think LeBron haters appreciate the sheer difficulty it takes to put up 20-25 shots 100 games a year for 17 straight years and be at the end more than half of your time in the league. If it were easy everyone would do it. You don’t have to love his game, him, or think he’s better than Jordan. No one has done what he’s done. That’s just a fact.

    • @ananth7865
      @ananth7865 4 роки тому +2

      @@prizm2807 hey man, if westbrook , or damian lillard say something about draymond crying like sissy that is fine.
      but lebron(Miami) james will never get that excuse.

    • @bobbylyht4123
      @bobbylyht4123 4 роки тому +2

      Look at the numbers of LeBron when being guarded by Iggy then you’ll know definitely the 2015 finals LeBron numbers was misleading

  • @DannyXXXXX
    @DannyXXXXX 3 роки тому +17

    Ron Harper was averaging 20 5 5 and 2 for 8 years before he went to the Bulls.

    • @blacknetsmed
      @blacknetsmed 3 роки тому +3

      Yes, on TERRIBLE inefficient scoring. Those first 8 years his True Shooting Percentage was 51.5% the league average during those 8 seasons was 53.4% almost 2% below the league average which was very bad. His advanced numbers bear that out.

  • @dohyunio
    @dohyunio 5 років тому +10

    3× NBA champion (2015, 2017, 2018)
    NBA Finals MVP (2015)
    NBA All-Star (2012)
    NBA All-Defensive Team (2014, 2011)
    NBA All-Rookie First Team (2005)
    First-team All-Pac-10 (2004)
    Olympic Gold medal - first place 2012 London
    FIBA World Championship Gold medal - first place 2010 Turkey Team
    He's a winner.

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu 5 років тому +7

      Still not a HOFer. He's never been the #1 or even #2 option on a playoff team. Coaches do not gameplan around him. He's a good player. He's not a HOFer.

    • @sportsfurybestdesired5507
      @sportsfurybestdesired5507 5 років тому

      facts bro hall of famer

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому +2

      Imagine going into the Hall of Fame with only 1 All Star appearance

    • @MrOctober44
      @MrOctober44 26 днів тому

      One all star appearance.

  • @geoffehresman2220
    @geoffehresman2220 5 років тому +67

    Whats so bad about just being a very good player just outside the hall of fame?

    • @raferalstonisgoat4457
      @raferalstonisgoat4457 4 роки тому +7

      I don't know. Lot of people make the hall of fame out to be some empirical metric for a player's greatness but there are guys like Cedric Maxwell and chris webber who are very good players who were not hall of famers

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому

      The NBA is a cuck league and doesnt want to hurt anybody feelings

    • @asterisk911
      @asterisk911 4 роки тому

      I agree. I absolutely think Iggy does NOT belong in the Hall of Fame and yet he's one of my favorite players, one of the guys I enjoyed watching the most, one with some of the quickest defensive hands I've ever seen... and also one of the more interesting interviews and someone with a great sense of humor. Steve Kerr called him "the adult in the room" and I believe it. But that doesn't mean he belongs in the HoF.

    • @jaleru
      @jaleru 4 роки тому

      Your name will fade like the rest of us.

    • @ethangilworth7891
      @ethangilworth7891 3 роки тому

      I mean Iggy is a HOFer. If he had appropriate awards recognition (he should be 4-5 time all star and 3-4 all NBA, and have made 7-8 all defensive teams) it’s not a question. And to top that all off he has had a hugely valuable post prime career with the warriors where he even managed to win finals MVP

  • @alexjimenez6893
    @alexjimenez6893 4 роки тому +4

    Tom Chambers should make the Hall of Fame. 20k career points, 4 time all star, all star mvp, 2 time All NBA second team and had a very good four year playoffs peak. Tom is better than Antawn.

    • @wesmaly
      @wesmaly 4 роки тому

      you're speaking FACTS right here

  • @yoe91
    @yoe91 4 роки тому +37

    so it's very simple. If Iguodala makes the HALL OF FAME then that means every role player who makes a big play or two during an NBA Finals and has a ring, from every season, should be considered for the HOF. And if his team wins the title twice, he's 90% in.

    • @jeremymuir4332
      @jeremymuir4332 4 роки тому +3

      @@thsu8 He was a role player! He wasn't a star player was he? He played D and hit shots. He wasn't a playmaker or the go to scorer.... Let's be honest. He was excellent for the warriors in his ROLE. He has never been excellent anywhere else.

    • @quintondorsey7362
      @quintondorsey7362 4 роки тому

      Don't forget he was an all star with the Sixers

    • @yoe91
      @yoe91 4 роки тому

      @@quintondorsey7362 Roy Hibbert was an All-Star. Twice.

    • @Theinsideoutsider
      @Theinsideoutsider 3 роки тому

      @@thsu8 he was a role player. If youre not one of the top 3 on your team you just might be a role player..

    • @Theinsideoutsider
      @Theinsideoutsider 3 роки тому

      @@quintondorsey7362 was

  • @juju-vl7oj
    @juju-vl7oj 3 роки тому +5

    I think Rondo is one of the more interesting debates to have. He was a top 4 player on 2 different championship teams over 10years apart for the 2 most historic franchises. Several games during the Celtics 2010 playoff run he was their best player. 1allnba , 4 defensive teams, lead league in assists 3× steals 1×, but several seasons where he wasn't even a top 5 player on bad teams.

    • @jakobsteffensen8006
      @jakobsteffensen8006 Рік тому

      I used to think Rondo wasnt a hall of famer, but his resume is pretty similar to Mo Cheeks whos in the HOF. So who knows at this point

    • @joshdarius5995
      @joshdarius5995 Рік тому

      Rondo is in

  • @bustanutt3848
    @bustanutt3848 4 роки тому +97

    The basketball hall of fame is a joke, they’re way more lenient with who gets in than any other sport

    • @slickeddy2000
      @slickeddy2000 4 роки тому +18

      Yeah it’s because NBA doesn’t have a hall of fame.
      It’s the total sport of basketball 🏀 . If you dedicate your life to the game you can make it in. High school coaches are in the same Hall of fame as Jordan,Bird, and Magic.

    • @bucksn6ix
      @bucksn6ix 4 роки тому +1

      slickeddy2000 people really forget it’s not about the NBA

    • @xxjeff1874
      @xxjeff1874 4 роки тому +1

      That’s because it’s the hardest sport to be good at

    • @bustanutt3848
      @bustanutt3848 4 роки тому +1

      xxjeff187 not true whatsoever, I could give you so many reasons why

    • @xxjeff1874
      @xxjeff1874 4 роки тому +2

      Busta Nutt you’re reason would be ridiculous it’s the highest paying sport and has the least amount of players in the nba than any other league

  • @toussaintbrown3701
    @toussaintbrown3701 4 роки тому +27

    How is Billups not a Hall of Famer?

    • @dinoradja2980
      @dinoradja2980 3 роки тому

      Billups is borderline but in. I don't think Igoudala is close to being in.

  • @EzekielDBarrett
    @EzekielDBarrett 3 роки тому +1

    He's a 3 time champion, all time defensive wing, dunk champ, olympic gold medalist, fiba world champion…
    … And the golden ticket: Finals MVP

    • @ErieSonics
      @ErieSonics 2 роки тому

      Dunk champ LMAOO. Whats next? NBC sports player of the night???

    • @EzekielDBarrett
      @EzekielDBarrett 2 роки тому

      @@ErieSonics apparently he didn't even win it, hahahah.
      Nate Robinson won that year,
      But Iggy's dunks were 🤮

    • @MrOctober44
      @MrOctober44 26 днів тому

      ​@@EzekielDBarrettMario Chalmers and Mike Miller won consecutive championships. Should they be in?

  • @mperformance3502
    @mperformance3502 4 роки тому +20

    Hell no! He’s a great role player later in his career. Good prime career. But definitely not HOF.

    • @quintondorsey7362
      @quintondorsey7362 4 роки тому

      Hey if Vince Carter is making the hall, he should make the hall

    • @chrisagnello1571
      @chrisagnello1571 4 роки тому

      Dude literally everyone makes the hall of fame. And it’s the basketball hall of fame, so the dude had a finals mvp and an Olympic gold medal, he’s a lock for hall of fame whether he deserves it or not.

    • @drain5447
      @drain5447 4 роки тому

      Basketball hall of fame is much easier to get into than the football hof

  • @marcoslevya
    @marcoslevya 5 років тому +91

    Should Horace Grant be a HOF cuz if Iggy is Horace should be too.

    • @brandonfranzen5191
      @brandonfranzen5191 4 роки тому +7

      Marcos Levy was Horace grant ever a finals mvp? Hell no

    • @mcbuckets813
      @mcbuckets813 4 роки тому +20

      Brandon Franzen
      Chauncy billups was and he was the actual leader. No one is talking about him being a HOFer

    • @brandonfranzen5191
      @brandonfranzen5191 4 роки тому +6

      Mr Mime big shot is definitely a hall of famer

    • @92akucaballero97
      @92akucaballero97 4 роки тому +2

      Mr Mime both Billups and iggy have never been top 3 in their position in any yr.

    • @_gamepoint_
      @_gamepoint_ 4 роки тому +9

      @@brandonfranzen5191 iggy shouldn't have that finals mvp for 1

  • @henoknegash6041
    @henoknegash6041 4 роки тому +9

    Great discussion. It's also kind of weird that a player can make the Hall of Fame without being a consistent NBA All-Star Team. Iguodala made it once, Horry and Fisher never made it.

    • @eboooo
      @eboooo 2 роки тому

      Horry is not in the hall though to my knowledge

    • @jakobsteffensen8006
      @jakobsteffensen8006 Рік тому

      None of those guys are in the Hall of fame though

  • @Riles3152
    @Riles3152 3 роки тому +6

    The fact that this question is actually a discussion is almost troubling to me. Iguodala is a champion and absolutely a guy you want on your team if you are establishing a championship winning/contending culture within your franchise, but the standard for who should be in the HOF is just too low if Iggy is somehow seriously considered. He was never a All-NBA type guy. Made ONE all-star team. Never an MVP type performer for an entire season. He was tremendous in the 15 finals but they very easily could have given the finals MVP to Steph Curry (probably should have). If Iggy gets in the HOF, then they might as well find a way to get Bob Horry, Lambier and and Draymond in there as well.

  • @prilljazzatlanta5070
    @prilljazzatlanta5070 3 роки тому +8

    If JR Smith doesn’t make it in there then I’ll lose all respect for this institution

  • @UeProductionz
    @UeProductionz 4 роки тому +35

    "Its because of ONE shot in ONE game which reminds people" - basically summed up Kyrie Irving's career. His ONE shot in the finals against Golden State and all of a sudden he is a superstar that teams can build around.

    • @howardbankler66
      @howardbankler66 4 роки тому +9

      Idk his 40 pt game in the finals is nothing to scoff at u could probably count on one hand the amount of guys who could do that

    • @UeProductionz
      @UeProductionz 4 роки тому +4

      @@howardbankler66 No one is scoffing at it. He deserves all the credit in the world for hitting a big shot on the biggest stage in the game. But aside from that he's done nothing worth mentioning before and after that shot. Kyrie has been a headcase everywhere he goes even now in Brooklyn. Evidently he does not make his teammates better and a lot of the time they play better WITHOUT Kyrie. Don't get me wrong though because he IS a good player. But he wouldn't even be top 20 to me. Maybe 21.

    • @lappu911
      @lappu911 4 роки тому

      yo Upadhyaya Kyrie is a great second option for a championship.. he can give buckets to ANYONE. But that doesn’t make you a championship. Dude is toxic as a leader, hopefully him and KD can win. But people putting Kyrie in the same category as curry are dumb

    • @coolmoe4230
      @coolmoe4230 4 роки тому

      lmao did you watch the league before the 15-16 season? Kyrie had building block written all over him he got superstar talk waaaaay before hitting that shot lmao he played with LeBron for a full year before that shot of course he’s a second talking point playing in the same city as Lebron.

    • @coolmoe4230
      @coolmoe4230 4 роки тому

      UeProductionz lmao bro you have no clue what your talking about. Did you not watch from him 2010-2015?

  • @Ironb3rry
    @Ironb3rry 4 роки тому +1

    If you only look at Iggy's offensive production, yea obviously he's not in the HOF, but he was a massive part of a dynasty who defended the world's best player 4 years straight.
    Regardless, a Finals MVP will get you in the HOF 95% of the time. He'll get in.

    • @brettthomas6327
      @brettthomas6327 4 роки тому +1

      Fact, Iggy help anchor one of the best defensive teams ever, nobody talks about how great they were on defense!

    • @Ironb3rry
      @Ironb3rry 4 роки тому

      @@brettthomas6327 No doubt, the Warriors won the 2017 Finals because they could defend that Cavs record setting offense

  • @LeBeautiful
    @LeBeautiful 5 років тому +39

    He will regardless, the Basketball HoF is the easiest of any sport 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @freddyfontan476
      @freddyfontan476 5 років тому +2

      LeBeautiful that is very true, and with all his rings the big role he’s played in those rings, and his great borderline star career he had before GS. There’s no way he doesn’t make it, especially considering all the previous nominees that are way less deserving

    • @BigShaneGillis
      @BigShaneGillis 5 років тому +1

      If Ginobili‘s supposed to make it, I don’t see why Iggy wouldn’t.

    • @BigShaneGillis
      @BigShaneGillis 5 років тому +1

      Jordan S regardless of what it’s technical name is or who owns it, it’s irrelevant to the fact that it is 99.9% composed of nba players.

    • @AD-fi6em
      @AD-fi6em 5 років тому +12

      Ben Simmons Ginobili is a top 5 International player ever and he’s way better than iggy

    • @369pendulum
      @369pendulum 5 років тому +2

      Ben Simmons You don’t anything about man. There’s no comparison between those two player. You’re probably 12yrs old, you didn’t watch Manu play

  • @Deevy8_
    @Deevy8_ 5 років тому +7

    Hell no, and I’m a Sixers fan. This dude was our best player for years and didn’t even average over 20pts once. If he gets in, then Big Shot Bob should get in too.

    • @BigShaneGillis
      @BigShaneGillis 5 років тому +1

      Matt Coupe yeah he was supposed to be a really great role player for us but ended up our featured player for many years

  • @thomascrowniii1693
    @thomascrowniii1693 4 роки тому +26

    Ron Harper was never an all star or on the all defensive team twice. Or Finals MVP.

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому +7

      I didnt know being an all star and getting defensive team twice was HOF worthy. I guess the standards are low

    • @jaydehowell5218
      @jaydehowell5218 4 роки тому +1

      @@richieblack5530 I mean, 3 titles, 5 conference titles, 1 finals MVP, primary wing defender, major part of one of the greatest teams ever, and that's not to say anything about a pretty solid career in Philly before. He's got a pretty solid argument for Hall of Fame, in my opinion.

    • @josephjohnroe3678
      @josephjohnroe3678 4 роки тому +3

      Stop it with the finals MVP. He was the absolute most undeserving finals MVP in any sport.

    • @iank3924
      @iank3924 4 роки тому +3

      @@jaydehowell5218 I remember collecting all of those Iggy 76ers basketball cards said no one ever. Dude was a role player on a championship team.

  • @da1cvkid
    @da1cvkid 4 роки тому +67

    Pause, Antwan Jamison is not making it to the Hall.

    • @t-god2439
      @t-god2439 4 роки тому +6

      Let’s not forget how good Jamison was

    • @da1cvkid
      @da1cvkid 4 роки тому +3

      Roland taylor good but not great, not a HOFer IMO.

    • @twcgoat4761
      @twcgoat4761 4 роки тому +1

      Except for that one season he played with Lebron, everyone considers him one of his “garbage teammates”

    • @t-god2439
      @t-god2439 4 роки тому

      TWCGoat he was def not trash as a player maybe when he played with Labron but when has he ever played with a post player besides AD I guess and let that player shine

    • @jakesmooke3644
      @jakesmooke3644 4 роки тому

      Did he even make an all star team?

  • @iwishyouwould6937
    @iwishyouwould6937 4 роки тому +1

    Every "GREAT" team has great glue guys. Guys who do things that do not show up on stat sheets but when you know basketball and see them, you see that they are holding it all together. Draymond and Iggy are great glue guys. Ainge, Horry, Rodman, Kerr, Michael Cooper, Bryon Scott, Bill Laimbeer, and Shawn "The Matrix" Marion, these guys make great teams possible by being selfless. Not caring who gets the credit, who they have to guard, what role they play on the team, or if they play at all. They are usually an extension of the coach and put TEAM first. If you look at most of great glue guys teams, bet they all made the playoffs at a super percentage because winning meant more than money.

  • @cozyfades1587
    @cozyfades1587 4 роки тому +9

    Iggy was pivotal for that first championship run

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому

      Not really. The Warriors would still win in 2015 if he wasn't on that team.

    • @0005cd
      @0005cd 4 роки тому +4

      @@richieblack5530 the warriors was losing the finals until kerr put iggy in the starting line up. The hell you talking about

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому

      @@0005cd last time I saw Kyrie got hurt mid way through the series. They won because of that not cause Iggy was put as a starter

    • @asterisk911
      @asterisk911 4 роки тому +1

      Without Iggy, they wouldn't have won the title. Without Steph, they wouldn't have won even a single game in the series. Steph was more valuable by every objective metric. (But LeBron, despite being on the losing team, was objectively the most valuable INDIVIDUAL player in the series).

    • @asterisk911
      @asterisk911 4 роки тому

      @@richieblack5530 I don't think so; but still, that doesn't mean he was the most valuable player on the team.

  • @alannguyen7375
    @alannguyen7375 5 років тому +21

    He has 2 gold medals with the national team.

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu 5 років тому +1

      Meh

    • @RASTAGOOB
      @RASTAGOOB 5 років тому +4

      @@Hotobu also 3 time champ finals MVP

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu 5 років тому +4

      HOF for a player is an individual accomplishment, not a team one. Being the fourth best player (if that) on a team isn't noteworthy.

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому

      @Sazid _ there's been years where bench players have won Finals MVP

    • @asterisk911
      @asterisk911 4 роки тому

      Even there he was a role player.

  • @ScottySayz
    @ScottySayz 5 років тому +4

    Iggy has made a lot of clutch plays for the Warriors, both offensively and especially defensively.

    • @ScottySayz
      @ScottySayz 5 років тому

      Borderline, yeah. But Horry was never the leader that Iggy is. He was never the #1/2 scoring option that Iggy was in the first half of his career.

  • @mirzapa
    @mirzapa 3 роки тому +2

    Hell no. Glorified bench guy. Not counting his 76ers career.

  • @williamkoscielniak820
    @williamkoscielniak820 4 роки тому +1

    There are lots of really good role players that make every team they go to better, and who you'd like to have on a contending squad. Horace Grant, Andre Iguodala, Tyson Chandler, Charles Oakley, Luol Deng, Danny Ainge, Robert Horry, and on and on. They aren't HoF'er though. They're just great role players. All contending teams need guys like that, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be in the friggin hall of fame.

  • @BelligerentSwami
    @BelligerentSwami 4 роки тому +8

    His Finals MVP needs an asterisk, they only gave it to him because they don't give it to a player on the losing team (LeBron).

    • @doughenry4172
      @doughenry4172 4 роки тому +1

      yeah that was the dumbest thing, it 10000% was lebron and he really deserved it for his legacy

    • @asterisk911
      @asterisk911 4 роки тому +2

      Absolutely LeBron was the most valuable player objectively. And absolutely Steph was the second most valuable player objectively. Okay, so they weren't going to give it to LeBron, because, since that one time with Jerry West, it's basically a given that it's going to go to a player from the winning team. And the voters picked Iggy over Steph in for very narrative-driven reasons, including that they wanted to reward a guy for being willing to go to the bench for the good of the team, and also because the series shifted when Iggy went to the starting lineup. But that doesn't change the fact that objectively Steph was more valuable to the team in that series than Iggy was.

    • @paliboy93
      @paliboy93 4 роки тому +1

      I ALWAYS thought it was sus they gave Iggy the MVP for his defense on LeBron meanwhile Lebron is averaging 36 13 8 in the series

    • @Kirbystare1992
      @Kirbystare1992 4 роки тому

      Zayd Ahmad on terrible percentages

  • @αδωνιςφωτακιδης
    @αδωνιςφωτακιδης 5 років тому +2

    Let's not forget that iguadala has won a finals MVP something that holds a lot of value

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu 5 років тому +3

      So did Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups.

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому +1

      Not when you beat a team that had 2 of its star players injured

    • @harunthuo2610
      @harunthuo2610 4 роки тому

      They robbed Steph

  • @rods7028
    @rods7028 5 років тому +13

    I love his game and all but he's not a HOF.

  • @cm8152
    @cm8152 4 роки тому +5

    bruh Iggy was the franchise player on the 76ers AND the Nuggets. this dude really said when was Iggy ever a top 3 player on his own team. does he not remember? Dude was seen as the go to scorer and leader of both those teams

    • @mitchellty
      @mitchellty 4 роки тому +4

      Those teams got bounced out in the first round

    • @toussaintbrown3701
      @toussaintbrown3701 4 роки тому +3

      The guy made one all star team... go to scorer!?

    • @random5299
      @random5299 4 роки тому +2

      Lol Iggy was no franchise player for the Nuggets

    • @iank3924
      @iank3924 4 роки тому

      How old are you? What an awful take. Iggy was such a franchise player he bounced around from Denver to Philly in his prime. He was lucky like everyone in goldenstate that curry and klay were who they were.

  • @spiffy8576
    @spiffy8576 4 роки тому +1

    Mark Price should be in the Hall Of Fame.

    • @iank3924
      @iank3924 4 роки тому +1

      He actually led a team to a conference finals. Iggy wishes he did.

  • @breakdncer007
    @breakdncer007 2 роки тому

    Best comparison is Mark Aguirre, going Detroit, sacrificing playing time, to basically be an Adrian Dantley, but willing to come off the bench

  • @Phonsuk
    @Phonsuk 5 років тому +21

    If Dennis Johnson, Grant Hill & Dino Radja (2 of them had short careers) made it. Iggualda definitely makes it.

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu 5 років тому +28

      You actually compared GRANT HILL to Andre Igoudala?! 7x All-Star 2x NCAA champion Grant Hill?!

    • @Phonsuk
      @Phonsuk 5 років тому +3

      @@Hotobu we are talking about NBA hall of fame....how many titles did Grant Hill contribute to?

    • @Hotobu
      @Hotobu 5 років тому +32

      @@Phonsuk There is no such thing as the NBA Hall of Fame. It's the "Basketball Hall of Fame".

    • @369pendulum
      @369pendulum 5 років тому +9

      Boski Woski Grant Hill is one of the greatest college basketball players of All time & he was phenomenal his first 6 years in the league. He finished his career strong as well

    • @johnnybeatmaker330
      @johnnybeatmaker330 4 роки тому

      Bit shpuld they have?

  • @gianlonewolf9234
    @gianlonewolf9234 4 роки тому +1

    Iggy should make it, played in USA team, played good with longevity, efficient both offensively and defensively. And GSW will not make it without him. Crucial stops, lockdown scorers and share experience with other guys. Besides why argue if the guy didnt made the shot? Bottomline he made it. He always do every time when it counts, all day!!!

  • @denistuohy2535
    @denistuohy2535 5 років тому +4

    If Tom Chambers and Ben Wallace aren’t hall of famers then Iggy shouldn’t

  • @benhaney9629
    @benhaney9629 2 роки тому +1

    I think I can blow this argument up with one name... Horace Grant.
    He’s a 4 time NBA champion to Iggys 3. 1 All Star to Iggys 1. 4 time NBA defensive second team to Iggys 1 Defensive First team and 1 Second team. And he was averaging something like 15-10-3 for his first three championships and like 8-8-2 for his one with the Lakers. Made a finals with the Magic as well as like a 14-8-2 guy. While Iggy was like a 7-4-3 guy for his Championship runs. The only thing Iggy has over him is 4 seasons where he averaged 17-19 ppg on a shit team that finals MVP. Which is pretty suspect if you ask me. 16.3, 5.8, 4.0. Not exactly Finals MVP numbers. It’s all about what he supposedly did on defense to Lebron.
    37 players have won 4 Championships or more. 25 are in the Hall. Out of those 12 that aren’t, Grant is the only one with an All Star appearance to his name. If we aren’t talking about Horace Grant in the Hall, we shouldn’t be talking about Iggy...

    • @benhaney9629
      @benhaney9629 2 роки тому

      By the way... As for Iggys defense on James in that series... James has one of the best Finals in history. 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, 8.8 assist. But Iggy gets Finals MVP for “shutting him down...”? Please. Ooh but Lebron only shot 40% from the floor. .477 true shooting %. That’s really not that bad considering he was having to do so much offensively...

    • @benhaney9629
      @benhaney9629 2 роки тому

      I mean James probably should have won a Jerry West style losing Finals MVP. But I guess they don’t do that anymore. So Steph should have won. Even if he didn’t have the best Finals...

    • @dandyandy4425
      @dandyandy4425 2 роки тому

      These people think Draymond Green should be in. If he gets in then Iggy will 100%

  • @Caim
    @Caim 4 роки тому

    I mean, if you're worried about stats, you can take a look and see that Iggy has good enough career stats for the hall.
    He's top 100 (or very close) in almost every single career metric - normal or advanced. He's not top 100 career points, but he's ahead of plenty of HOF players in that regard too. You can argue that the hall isn't selective enough - and that's fair, but iggy was and is still better than many guys who have made the hall, and has a FMVP to his name.
    Some nice accolades too:
    3x Champion
    Olympic Gold Medalist
    2x All defense
    1x All Star
    1 FMVP
    Worse guys are in the hall, and Iggy still has a few years left if he wants. He should get in.

  • @rychan7
    @rychan7 5 років тому +2

    you should do more videos like this where you get clips out of pods

  • @vincentho3792
    @vincentho3792 5 років тому +1

    I never saw Mitch Richmond play. But I checked his stats and he scored over 20,000 points, made all star 6 times and all nba 5 times in 13 years as a pro. Also won ROTY averaging 22! That's a pretty good resume! I'm sure there're worse players in the HOF. What's Bill got against Mitch Richmond?!?!? Is it because he got a ring coming off the bench in his last year with the lakers?

  • @sportsfurybestdesired5507
    @sportsfurybestdesired5507 5 років тому +5

    Iggy is a Hall of Famer facts he made the right decision to go to the Golden State he wanted those rings he's a smart man love my Iguodala

    • @rods7028
      @rods7028 4 роки тому +1

      He is not a HOF

    • @asterisk911
      @asterisk911 4 роки тому

      First of all, you're clearly expressing an opinion, so why the fuck are you saying "facts"? And secondly, he was a starter for 10 years-- a significant body of work!-- and yet at no time was he good enough for anyone to decide to call him a top 15 player in the NBA. Like... not even once. 10 years in a row he could've been voted to an All NBA team, and 10 years in a row he just wasn't good enough.
      So he's a guy who is a valuable role player on a great team with several multi-year All NBA players on it, all of whom are better than him, and a guy who had a 10-year starter career throughout his 20s and yet couldn't ever convince anyone he was even in the top 15 in the NBA... NOT EVEN ONCE.
      Just for comparison: not counting this unfinished year, Paul George now has 8 seasons as as a starter an FIVE times he's been named to an All NBA team, peaking at first team last year. And all I'm asking for Iggy is... in 10 years, can't you do it even ONCE? Like... even when leading the 76ers in win shares 5x, no one saw him as a top 15 player... not even once? That's about where he is.

  • @boodaviking2736
    @boodaviking2736 Рік тому

    That finals mvp will get iguodala in along with that 4th ring. People can complain about it all they want, but every comparison in this video either wasn't an allstar, wasn't all defense, or wasn't a finals mvp.

  • @rossjn9885
    @rossjn9885 4 роки тому

    Andre Iguodala will make the HOF. His accolades are ridiculous. His NBA Finals MVP solidified it.

    • @saiyannamekian8341
      @saiyannamekian8341 4 роки тому

      Ross JP 1x Allstar, 1x Defensive 1st Team, 1x Defensive 2nd team, 3x Champion, 1x finals mvp...what’s so ridiculous about that? He’s a good solid player but he isn’t a HOFer

    • @rossjn9885
      @rossjn9885 4 роки тому

      @@saiyannamekian8341
      Don't forget international play and his Finals MVP easily puts it over the top. He may not be a first ballot HOFer but he's there.

  • @brandonthomas4838
    @brandonthomas4838 4 роки тому +4

    5:11 How do some of these people get paid to talk sports?🤦🏾‍♂️ since was Klay Thompson ever the 4th option on the warriors besides maybe his rookie year

    • @shanemcc8216
      @shanemcc8216 4 роки тому +2

      Brandon Thomas he meant 3rd, calm down

  • @vontosmagicmurderbag2611
    @vontosmagicmurderbag2611 4 роки тому

    Andre Iguodala the only finals MVP not in the hall of fame. Derrick Rose the only regular season MVP not in the hall of fame. What a time we live in.

  • @bryandboyd
    @bryandboyd 4 роки тому

    Should consider two tiers to the Hall of Fame. Tier A, your traditional best of the best players. Then a tier B, those that would have made the HOF except for injuries (Ralph Sampson, Penny Hardaway etc.) and super role players (the entire 2004 Pistons team, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, John Salley types).

  • @Lil.Dipper26
    @Lil.Dipper26 3 роки тому

    He was a top 3 guy on his team in Philly and Denver. Next

    • @ianthuo9227
      @ianthuo9227 3 роки тому

      I think he would probably say that he didn't accomplish anything meaningful enough in those stints to be considered an effective top 3 option, which diminishes their significance. He would say we're only making this argument cause he was on the Warriors and even that wasn't really all that impressive.

  • @xsofmarketing155
    @xsofmarketing155 3 роки тому

    The fact that this IS even a conversation makes him a hall of famer

  • @Ren-rd5xy
    @Ren-rd5xy 4 роки тому +2

    It the basketball hof not just nba.

  • @LeonShallop
    @LeonShallop 3 роки тому +1

    iggy and dray will 100% make the HOF

  • @TrevForPresident
    @TrevForPresident 4 роки тому

    Not a HOFer, but don’t forget him being a top talent and not some fifth wheel. He was going to be Denver’s stud and even led them to the playoffs first year there and then super teams super team.

  • @36cmbr
    @36cmbr 3 роки тому

    Iggy has been an invaluable piece to some terrific teams. With guys like him the numbers tell the whole story.

  • @ianrobinson4200
    @ianrobinson4200 Рік тому

    They just need to establish a basement level/guy and say "OK, anyone who gets in has to have better stats than this"

  • @homersimpson8561
    @homersimpson8561 4 роки тому

    I’d like to see Curry, Klay, Durant, Draymond, Iguodala all in the hall of fame. Iguodala is the ultimate teammate, the ultimate playoffs guy, the overlooked guy who you do actually need to win championships. If you’re obsessed with stats you’re gonna miss the intangible effort some guys put in and encourage guys like Westbrook to chase stats sometimes at the expense of their team

    • @richieblack5530
      @richieblack5530 4 роки тому

      Might as well add Robert Horry and Horace Grant into the HOF as well

    • @homersimpson8561
      @homersimpson8561 4 роки тому

      Masked Savage Both or either are cool with me

  • @robd1811
    @robd1811 4 роки тому +1

    If billups isn't in neither should iggy

  • @andrewnyman4128
    @andrewnyman4128 4 роки тому

    When you mentioned Draymond, all i could think about was Skip Bayless saying he is "head and shoulders" above Chuck...how disrespectful can you be? With him saying that, his arguments against LeBron actually make Lebron look even better.

  • @carlosqdeguzman
    @carlosqdeguzman 4 роки тому +1

    If he makes it better make Bruce Bowen too

  • @abuwadie3
    @abuwadie3 3 роки тому

    If he’s a hall of famer, than Robert Horry the most overlooked 6th man and role and clutch player of all time should be before him. He won rings for multiple franchises and made big shots in all those finals to win rings.

    • @blacknetsmed
      @blacknetsmed 3 роки тому +1

      Iggy: 2x Olympic Gold Medalist, 2x All Defensive Team, 1x All Star, 1x Finals MVP.
      Horry: 0x Olympic Gold Medalist, 0x All Defensive Team, 0x All Star, 0x Finals MVP.
      But you're comparing because?.......

    • @abuwadie3
      @abuwadie3 3 роки тому

      @@blacknetsmed you ain’t say shit.

  • @B_Rowen
    @B_Rowen 4 роки тому

    I think a question worth debate is how important is defense to legacy/hall of fame.

    • @williamkoscielniak820
      @williamkoscielniak820 4 роки тому

      More like a lesser version of Pippen. Either way, he doesn't belong in the hall.

  • @gonzalixmc
    @gonzalixmc 4 роки тому +2

    Iggy is this generation's Horace Grant. Good players, key for championships teams with their defense, but neither should be in the Hall of Fame

    • @iank3924
      @iank3924 4 роки тому

      Grant was better

  • @prizm2807
    @prizm2807 4 роки тому

    If Igoudala makes the hall of fame. Robert Horry should make it, Ron Harper should make it. Detlef Schrempf should make it, Rolando Blackman should make it. Antwan Jamison should make it. Shawn Marion should make it. Andre has hit big shots in big games because he had stars carry him to the big games. Hs wasnt the driving force for any teams deep playoff run.
    Shawn Marion > Andre Iguodala 1000% of the time.

  • @dirkgarner9342
    @dirkgarner9342 3 роки тому

    You should make the Hall of Fame it's players in the Hall of Fame with the less achievements then him he's done something nobody has done before he started new games and was the finals MVP for that alone he should be handed a gold jacket

  • @Flameville
    @Flameville 4 роки тому

    So we're just gonna forget Iggy on Denver. Putting up solid numbers as their number 1 option. Goes to show Players who sacrifice stats for the sake of championships never get the recognition they deserve. Iggy in his prime was an athletic defensive genius who was a perfect all around player for his position. Iggy could lead a team on his own and has in the past unlike some of the other names the dude was spouting out.

  • @m.k1490
    @m.k1490 4 роки тому +6

    I think hes disrespecting richmond
    He made 5 all nba teams.

  • @j4min1
    @j4min1 4 роки тому

    Dude has had a hall of fame CAREER. He is a lock.

    • @j4min1
      @j4min1 4 роки тому

      @@Kingsley114 Let's wait and see hey

  • @DomClancy
    @DomClancy 4 роки тому

    Wish there were more of these bite sized Simmons videos.

  • @TizOnly1
    @TizOnly1 5 років тому +9

    People need to shift their ideas about what makes players valuable in 2019. Still using the same metrics and ideas as people did when talking about players' Hall of Fame cases in 1983, should stick out as an issue..
    Whenever basketball has its real advanced stat revolution, Iggy is gonna be seen as one of the best players of this era.
    For as long as everyone cares about iso scoring and shot creation above every fucking thing else on the court, maybe not.. but whenever fans actually smarten up, he'll be seen as more valuable than a LOT of guys that currently hold status above him.

    • @stuartrobertson5062
      @stuartrobertson5062 5 років тому +2

      You have to WATCH alot of basketball to attain this insight. The majority of laymen basketball fans watch like half a game and just react to what the stars do.

    • @Head_Turnah
      @Head_Turnah 5 років тому

      He’s a great glue guy, but not as great of a role player like Scottie Pippen or Ginobli. I’d say he’s just outside of the HOF. 2nd or 3rd ballot.

    • @369pendulum
      @369pendulum 5 років тому +2

      TizOnly1 The Hall of Fame is supposed to be a compilation of basketballs greatest Stars. Iggy doesn’t make the cut. The HoF hasn’t even let Ben Wallace in yet, a 4 time DPOY. And players already in the Hall vote on the HOF inductees, they decide the requirements. So why should their methods be questioned by the unqualified?

    • @369pendulum
      @369pendulum 5 років тому +1

      Don Maya 2nd or 3rd ballot? Dude do you even know what you’re talking about? Lol how can you say he’s right outside the HoF & then say he’s 2nd or 3rd ballot? 2nd ballot, 3rd ballot, etc are still Hall of Famers.

    • @TizOnly1
      @TizOnly1 5 років тому

      @@369pendulum the Hall of Fame is a representation of what people believe represents greatness at the sport at whatever given time.
      I think it's OBVIOUS that basketball "thought" still just exists at a very low level, and that there's a revolution in that thought on the horizon. I think whenever that happens, Iggy will be understood better.

  • @nathandorow5345
    @nathandorow5345 3 роки тому

    To say you could’ve replaced iggy with 25 guys so fucking ridiculous

  • @juju-vl7oj
    @juju-vl7oj 3 роки тому

    Bill is using Mitch Richmond as the low hall of fame standard, but Mitch made 5 all-nba teams, not a big Mitch fan but making that many all-nba teams means he was mostly considered an elite player during his prime. Bills mentioning guys like Antawn and Iggy who never made all-nba teams. I think never making all-nba is the cutoff for consideration.

  • @richardsong7732
    @richardsong7732 4 роки тому

    He should be in the Hall of Very Good.

  • @UtotheJ
    @UtotheJ 5 років тому +2

    Chuck's argument is based on players with better careers haven't made the HOF while Bill's argument is based on players with worse careers have made the HOF.

  • @scarykurapika100yago2
    @scarykurapika100yago2 2 роки тому

    Nah if Iguoadala wasn't with the Warriors this question would've laughable

  • @sammyttheg412
    @sammyttheg412 4 роки тому +1

    Jesus its getting out of hand .....dude was the 4th best player on his team

  • @Veyronp87
    @Veyronp87 3 роки тому +1

    when i think Iguodala i think great 2 way role player...i do not think historically important star.

  • @MrVilucian24
    @MrVilucian24 4 роки тому

    If iggy makes it they better put Robert Horry also

  • @churn008
    @churn008 4 роки тому +1

    He’s a finals MVP.

  • @at2130
    @at2130 4 роки тому +1

    A role player

  • @blitzkrieg3786
    @blitzkrieg3786 4 роки тому

    WHAT WILL IT SAY ABOUT THE HALL OF FAME IF THEY DONT LET IN A GUY WHO WON A FINALS MVP. 3 TIME CHAMPION. HOW IS THIS AN ARGUMENT. TRACY IS IN THE HOF YET THAT DIDN WIN SHIT. BUT THERE ISNT AN ARGUMENT FOR HIM

  • @izzy9189
    @izzy9189 3 роки тому

    As much as i am a fan of iggy, he's not a hofer. Hall of fame should be a collection of many accolades on your resume, 2 all nba def teams, one fmvp and 1 all star appearance is not enough.

  • @anuthanuisance533
    @anuthanuisance533 4 роки тому +1

    The basketball HOF is a joke honestly, it's like a participation reward

  • @acsedef
    @acsedef 5 років тому +5

    he has a finals mvp and three rings which he was the 6th man and the most important defender of his team. of course he should, klostermann is bullshiting to great heights.

    • @fishflake1209
      @fishflake1209 5 років тому

      Somehow, Iggy has never won the Sixth Man of the Year award.

    • @acsedef
      @acsedef 5 років тому

      @@fishflake1209 i guess it's about volume more than anything when it's the individiual season awards. and there aren't many shot attempts to give iguodala in a warriors team with splash brothers. he is just complemeting whatever is needed and it's good enough for being a great 6th man.

  • @veerchasm1
    @veerchasm1 4 роки тому

    Iggy should make the Backstabber Hall of Fame (Hello George Karl and the Denver Nuggets)

  • @P-DAPS
    @P-DAPS 5 років тому +11

    In no world, or under any circumstances is Iggy a hall of famer. Dumbest question ever

    • @jeremydock2350
      @jeremydock2350 5 років тому +4

      Looking at the basketball hall of fame he most likely will be.

  • @jcgggg
    @jcgggg 4 роки тому

    Iggy's a good player, but you shouldn't get HOF for being a glue guy on a great team. Being the 4th or 5th best player on a dynasty shouldn't be enough. Basically, it's only an argument cause he got that Finals MVP and that also shouldn't be enough.

  • @sammyttheg412
    @sammyttheg412 4 роки тому

    Greens case is much better than iggys....
    I hate draymond but he was the life blood of that dynasty and arguably the best defender in the nba for 2 or 3 seasons

  • @davincerica7232
    @davincerica7232 2 роки тому

    4 titles in 5 years? WHAT??

  • @greasygrinder1418
    @greasygrinder1418 3 роки тому +1

    He is a hall of famer. He was in the finals 6 straight times. The only finals mvp that didnt start a regular season game. 3-time champion. Olympic Gold medalist and fiba gold medalist. All star. Rookie-Sophomore mvp. He was also on denver's crazy 2013 win streak. And his playoff winrate is impressive.

  • @therealalgee
    @therealalgee 2 роки тому

    Wrong again the warriors won 3 out of 5 two with durant and one without durant. Iggy was the 3rd best player on the warriors team when they won the first championship and he won the mvp of the finals guarded lebron and lebron got his numbers but the percentages were really low and people forget how good iguodala was. Definitely HOF

  • @MrOctober44
    @MrOctober44 26 днів тому

    5 yrs later and Jamison isn't on the hof. Richmond made six consecutive All star teams with no talent around him

  • @observing8686
    @observing8686 3 роки тому

    I like essential glues guys making the hall of fame.

  • @willyj451
    @willyj451 4 роки тому +3

    Will Rajon Rondo make the HOF

  • @TheLastWalenta
    @TheLastWalenta 3 роки тому

    This isn't Whataboutism. If Chris Webber isn't in, neither should Ben Wallace. Like, what? Not the same player at all.

  • @chrismartinezl
    @chrismartinezl 3 роки тому

    No. We've lost sight of who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. When I visit the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, I want to see legends, greats of the game. It has to mean something.

  • @mauricemallari6365
    @mauricemallari6365 3 роки тому

    If Mitch Richmond is a HOFer, the Iggy is 💯 in

  • @JoeLouisPepsi
    @JoeLouisPepsi 4 роки тому +1

    Any guy who does what he's doing to Mephis should not be in the hall of fame

  • @seancondon9628
    @seancondon9628 4 роки тому

    That 18' cavs team lost by an average of like 20 points, Iguodala being gone would not have made a difference

  • @shaneg4383
    @shaneg4383 4 роки тому

    If iggy get in it’s official. They let everyone but C Webb And Ben Wallace in.