Video Editing on Linux Is Terrible. Or Is It?
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- If you've spent any time online, you probably know just how BAD the state of video editing on Linux is. But what if it wasn't as bad as they say? What if, as a matter of fact, Linux video editing was pretty good? In this video, I'll go over some common claims about Kdenlive, my favorite Linux video editor, and see if they're true or not. Can Linux video editing be used professionally or are you doomed to suffer?
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0:00 Intro
2:34 It's buggy
4:33 Too many annoyances
7:32 You can't do professional work on Linux
10:56 Honorable mentions
11:51 Conclusion
Background footage:
• Kdenlive | Speed and S...
• Kdenlive Transitions
• What is Kdenlive?
• Landscape photo manipu... - Наука та технологія
tfw when you make a video about video editing and you actually have to edit the video
Dude, the DaVinci resolve issue is such a pain, I remember trying to get it to work a year ago and just tried today and still dosnt work, such a pain
When I first used Kdenlive it was indeed buggy, slow, crashy and would even do unexpected things.
That was 10 years ago though. Things have changed a lot since then. Now I see this software quite the opposite.
It's now stable, swift and easy to use. It's a very respectable software that I greatly admire now.
Kdenlive is my go to. Better than Sony Vegas, Better than DaVinci
It crashed like 5 times on a medium made video😂😂😂
linux video edditing would not be a problem if davinci resolve would support more codecs...
Now we have to stick to Kdinlive or use Davinci in a KVM
Blender
@@Vidjnjsdnjk-en6tz ?
It is minus the H264 codecs. You need to pay some 300 Euros for that.
When I switched to kdenlive (from Da Vinci Resolve), I actually found it to be better since it can import mkv directly from OBS
6:03 Note that GIMP has native support for deep pixels and floating-point formats like EXR, which Photoshop still has trouble with.
Cool. Do people use or need it?
EXR is useful for VFX stuff. Other than that I don't know. @@raandomplayer8589
Not a Video editor myself (although some yrs ago, i was certified to use Adobe Premiere) This is one area where systems and graphics needs to be fast (very fast at times), and stable. And being on Arch, unless you make sure your compositor (Looking at you, Picom) settings are stable and good to go, it should work out ok. But there are many choices of software of video editors, and if clients who has the budget, they should even buy Pro software under linux for Production work. Btw, here to say, Good job in adding the BSOD screen in your vid. Remind them, why we switched. Peace :-)
I would think when doing video editing you NEED a higher end system with good hardware.
OS should not matter when using 3rd party software as long as it runs and runs stable.
I used Kdenlive to edit a skateboarding video in 2006 and it crashed soooo much back then. I had to save after every single little change. I started using it again in 2023 and it's been rock solid. It's very mature now.
Everyone complains about Linux video editing, and never about BSD video editing lol
Well first we have to talk about video playing in bsd lol
Shotcut has come along way the last few years and is on par with Kdenlive. It's also far less prone to crashing.
Yeah, I don't understand all the rallying behind kde in general when it's basically perpetual alpha / beta software.
I like Shotcut also. They’re pretty on par with Kdenlive for the most part, but more stable.
The only bug I've had was using a certain curve tool that caused crashes on Linux Mint (on my laptop and PC build). The workflow and design is clunky too. Being a semi-pro photographer/videographer, as in a good portion of my income comes from providing those services, I have Windows on my PC build for Davinci Resolve. Affinity Photo and ON1 Photo Raw. I've been quite happy with Darktable and Gimp though and I greatly enjoy Linux Mint on my laptop. It's nice having longer battery life, better response and the thing not having the fans running full blast because of some random Windows service doing something in the background.
Thanks for this. Any challenges you've encountered with editing 4K panoramic videos (for example, holiday videos) or would that just come down to the hardware?
I've had a great experience in Kdenlive for the past year I've used it.
No issues for my install on EndeavourOS. You've also reminded me I should donate to them.
Based, support open source development if you can
The biggest problem with kdenlive is not the bugs or the UI, that is bareable. But one of the worst aspects of it is the UX, it is clearly made by software developers who arent artists themselves. The calibration of sliders is terrible and always results in overblown effects. The scrolling, playing and rolling the footage is unintuitive and just plain bad. And dont get me started on the workflow, it just feels uncomfortable when compared to freemimum products like Da Vinchi resolve or even FOSS apps like shotcut
Perhaps you could contribute your UI expertise to help them make it better.
@EricMurphyxyz Can you tell me how to import a complete video VOB file into Kdenlive in order to edit it. The clip imports but only runs for about 9 minutes (clip should run far longer in reality).
Thanks.
One of my main criticisms regarding the standard KDE interface is the excess of borders, from go Gnome the access to rounded edges.
You realize KDE is customizable and themeable and all the rest of it, right?
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 the switch to plasma6 has made this skinning option a pain.
just use kde plasma
I'm with you here, the borders reduction can be apply only in plasma5 using certains themes. I got 1 example of full theming on my videos.
I am going to start learning video editing from Linux later today or tomorrow. I'll try kdenlive. Wish me luck. I have zero video editing experience.
Update:
I did as I said. It was awesome. I can't say that I am really good, but it is definitely enough for me to use at the moment.
Hello, I am new to the world of Arch. I have tried to copy some design but I have not been able to do it. If at any time you can make a quick installing guide on how to install Arch and customize a design 🙏
Does Kdenlive has an API to write a script for it like the ability to interact with gimp or Blender with Python, I'm thinking something like adding a marker in front of every clip with a single command.
10:27 To paraphrase JFK: “Ask not what Open Source can do for you, ask what you can do for Open Source”. The products don’t create themselves: behind each open-source project is a community that is contributing to it and keeping it alive.
The main issue is that very few end users who wants to contribute has skills and abilities required to build or improve the FLOSS upon source codes.
Learning so took really long time and on variably mixed results
At best they could only donate
@@user-jv6ox5gb6v Monetary donations can be useful, too. And also things like writing documentation, or helping out in support forums.
... which is why, an end user who would want to do some advanced video editing, whose work would require to treat the software as an extension of themselves and be able to churn out visually stunning work, will not care about stuff like that. They want to pay -> use a tool that is very capable -> do their work.
I wasted hundreds of hours editing on linux a long time ago, and I regret all of it.
Small UI bugs on Kdenlive once drove me crazy, like missing letters and whatnot. But other than that, I like it a lot. It's quite a stable experience for me to edit my 20-minute coding tutorials.
I did purchase a Lightworks license for better performance but man, the memory consumption is so high (over 19GB), and it has been crashing due to OOM like ten times a week. It seems like a Linux-specific memory leak problem as on Windows the memory usage bounces between 3-8GB.
Considering trying out Davinci Resolve for my next project.
Linux is just not a system for creative work - at least not for most people.
I tried kdenlive on Windows and made several videos with it, but I found it buggy and kind of laggy when scrolling through the timeline. I felt like every complex edit I made was a hack due to the weird interface design and getting NVENC encoding working was difficult. I was really happy to transition to DaVinci Resolve, which has a way more intuitive interface and way smoother on my system.
I've also had a bad experience with buggy kdenlive, however it is a couple of years back and I think it's a general issue with media libraries on some Distributions, also had much more bugs with OBS on some Linux distros (like Ubuntu, which generally is pretty stable).
And GIMP UI / workflow / tools are definitely not good in usability. I use it for years now not often, but as the only photo editor and I still not fully got used to it.
It sucks being in the 1% that needs these niches while also being very interested in Linux. I've been wondering if I should just run everything like this through a VM with GPU passthrough like SomeOrdinaryGamers does.
Personally I do a lot of audio engineering, composing, mixing, mastering and all of that stuff. I also did some professional image editing, but I found Krita to be better than the alternatives all together, so that was nice.
Ableton, indie games, and the fear of losing my files are my 3 biggest issues with fully switching to Linux. So, for now, I've only been playing around with arch in a VM.
can anyone suggest how to use capcut video editor software in ubuntu os .please
The entire VFX industry runs on Linux
jsut for rendering in the servers
only the render is made on linux
@@bilalazhar4495that’s not true at all. Programs like Nuke and Houdini have full linux support and actually run 10% to 20% faster on Linux. Most serious studios run linux
It does indeed. 60% of their installations as of early last year, and that includes desktops. And growing.
Resolve Studio which is Hollywood's standard vfx software runs on linux
Thanks for the video, I'm going to install Linux on my old iMac before going full Linux.
I was looking for something like Vegas, because it looks like the ONLY popular editing software that is intuitive to use (nothing more horrible than adobe in this matter). Kdenlive is the closest one. Also, unlike "industry standards", its performance is acceptable, whereas adobe won't even render a preview if you don't run it on ssd or something. (And some people pay for that, omg)
The whole CGI-VFX existed for UNIX way before Windows, it was always meant to be that way, Windows just happened to be cheaper and locked with overbearing licenses. I’m happy to see how the industry is “coming back home”.
I've been watching one of my friends do twitch livestreams where they kept using KdenLive (on Windows) to edit and the thing would repeatedly freeze for long periods of time or crash. To be fair, I've never seen him edit with anything else to see if it's better, but I think personally I'd favor doing video editing in Blender.
... Except, video rendering times in Blender tend to be absolutely abysmal and I have no idea why.
Could be those crashes are a Windows thing?
Probably not using CUDA
There’s a misconception it’s not hard video editing on Linux it’s getting the god dam thing to work is the pain reference DaVinci resolve
06:08 I like gimp because you can edit selection coordinates and size with numbers
Kdenlive is my go to as I break Davinci Resolve.
It literally always work, had no idea anyone have had issues with it.
What to even use on Windows? Everything cost your dinner to use there.
4:59 Interesting that Blender recently added an easier way of positioning these things.
I strongly disagree with the statement that "video editing on Linux SUCKS".
In fact, video editing in the vfx/cgi/post industry has always been very authentic in the Linux environment, probably the most of them all ( ok, Unix/Irix ).
Post / Inferno, Flame, Flint, Smoke, Nuke, Resolve,...
3D / Maya, Houdini, Softimage, Mari, Substance, ...
What exactly are you missing in terms of tools?
I think when people say something sucks on Linux, what they mean is that the software they can get for free isn't good. Hardly any hobbyist will afford Autodesk or The Foundry software. The problem with Resolve in particular seems to be that it doesn't run on some distros and even if it does, it lacks many important codecs like H.264, including in the paid Studio version. It might also have hardware requirements that are beyond what people have, not sure.
I think you should mention Natron, it is has very professional capabilities
This is the one reason I still dual boot bc Davinci Resolve looks like a nightmare to install on my Linux Laptop.
I use blender for video editing in Linux and it's not that bad, I prefer to use Davinci Resolve but it does not work well in most of the systems (distros) unless you tweak the Kernel and i don't like KDEnlive.
This is your brother Jason. I contacted you through the email provided on your website and am just checking to see about the ease of communication through email.
I think the best editor is ffmpeg, does something no other does cutting videos without reencoding!
What about Flowblade?
Don't you find shotcut better?
It takes me twice as long to finish a video on kdenlive then on iMovie. It’s because the workflows take much more clicks.
If you need a good DAW then Linux really sucks!
Just give me a way to install and use DaVinci with just one click or just one command and I will go for linux full time.
Now there is no point for me for struggling with issues - DaVinci works or not, you need to instal something before DaVinci, then make deb package, then install or change somthing else, and even then you might face some issues like "full gpu memory", also nvidia problems... I'm done. I really wish to use linux but it is not possible for me - I have to waste too much time on solving problems.
kdenlive es buen programa y si tienes hardware de amd es mucho mejor , tengo la mala suerte de tener nvidia 1030 pero he logrado hacer que pueda renderiza
Thanks for an honest opinion.❤
I edit video on kdenlive on Linux. With full Nvidia GPU support, lut import, everything. It's fab. Full 4K.
I use Blender to edit videos. Its fine for my case.
Why don't more people use Shotcut?
KDEnlive crashes my graphics card for some reason
Thank you!
Kdenlive is great but color grading had along way to go
What about DaVinci resolve for editing.. that's on Linux... And professional
H264 support?
idk why kdenlive gets a bad wrap i used it recently and it's honestly so good i uninstalled davinci on windows mostly for the fact of free AV1 rendering it's just as good as resolve but without the looks and i mean who cares i find i even have more features in kden.
Ever hear of lightworks?
Thanks!
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
The channel ExplainingComputers has even 30 times more subscribers than this channel and he also use Kdenlive. So it can't be so bad.
Davinci Resolve and a ton of its software/hardware from Black Magic Design is made for Linux so I think these "it's not professional" is complete horseshit. BMD is a major manufacturer for video editing in the film industry. You don't get more professional than that.
Kdenlive is great nowadays and works on windows as well
It's still in pre-release alpha, so don't use it for anything critical. But Olive 0.2 is the most usable NLE on Linux for me personally in terms of worlflow. Highly recommended for anybody interested in video editing to give it a spin.
I used Olive 0.1 for a long time but 0.2 never worked for me after trying multiple times. Way too alpha, but I hope someday it will be ready for prime time
NLE? WTF is that?
@@TormentedHealer Non-Linear Editor
@@Zer0sVoid Thanks
4:58 That fact is incorrect
1:53 Too late. You’ve already disappointed him by saying “Open Source”.
All creative software, apart from 3D modelling, has been a worse experience for me on Linux than on Windows.
The reason why 3D modelling software hasn't is because it universally sucks.
3D requires a blend of artistic and technical knowledge that not everybody can manage.
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 yeah, that would be a great diss if it wasn't for the fact that I'm a 3d-artist as a profession.
@@CuteSkyler A lot of “professional” 3D artists don’t seem to manage this blend. Is that why the proprietary tools have become so specialized?
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Probably, yeah
@@CuteSkyler So really, instead of being artists, you are basically specialist technicians on an assembly line.
I appreciate the tone of the video, but I disagree with the conclusion. You are essentially saying that the only way to edit videos on Linux is to rely on just one program. And what If it goes back to being really unstable?
The pitiful roster of Linux video editors has not progressed significantly over the years. I have been following video editors on Linux closely for years, and except for Blender's VSE everything else is almost unusable. Glad that Kdenlive works for you, I wish there was evidence you are not in the minority.
Either way, one functional video editor that still crashes after decades of development (which is absolutely not normal) means that video editing on Linux is actually terrible.
I've since changed my opinion on this topic. See my video "Why Are Open Source Alternatives So Bad"
@@EricMurphyxyz Thank you for responding! Yeah, I watched it. I wish you would take this video down, because it misleads people. Or pin a comment saying you no longer agree. Or rename the video.
The problem with the vid is its framing. You use it to make a sweeping statement about video editing on Linux in general, and that's the misleading bit. You know what I mean? If it's more like "Kdenlive is an acceptable editor", sure, it is a satisfactory tool. Not in any way competitive to its proprietary alternatives, not good, just satisfactory.
But if kdenlive being satisfactory is used to say that video editing on linux is not terrible, that's misleading.
8 years ago I made a video on OpenShot (under the moniker Bad Geek), because OpenShot and the MLT library are probably the worst things that happened to video editing on Linux. And that it hasn't really progressed since then is just amazing to me.
EposVox is such a weirdo now.
Editing based on software not os i personally love linux
Kdelive ftw!
É tragico!
6:20 "Gimp still doesn't have non destructive layer editing"
Wait. what? it's had Layer Masks for over a decade at least.
6:22 "You're still not able to move layers at the same time, unless you put them in a group"
You just link the layers. In the layer stack you click the chain icon next to the visibility of two layers and you'll move both.
I guess this could be a case of 'Well those are work arounds'? I don't know if Photoshop does those things differently I don't use it but Gimp literally does those things...
tl;dw linux video editing isn't bad but only as long as you don't expect it to be good
capcut is awesome, too bad we don't have it on Linux
Is that the one on mobile? Yeah, I've heard good things
@@EricMurphyxyz yes, it's on Windows desktop now, it's epic. My videos come out really cinematic with very minimal effort.
Heyyey boy
Best clickbait i ever seen
>kdenlive
This will be fun
Video Editing on Linux is fucking Terrible.
I have to say this video is a shining example of the Linux community. The people that constantly praise Linux constantly repeats the phrase "it just works in Linux" seem to always miss the whole point. Linux does not come close to "just works". Linux does "just work" if you do not want any customization or something specific like video acceleration. A little search and you will find massive amounts of people trying to get video drivers (mostly AMD to be exact) to work with Linux either for gaming, video editing, or even just to get acceleration for watching videos. It is just annoying at the propaganda that is put out about Linux only to have people try to make the switch and find themselves constantly being frustrated because Linux is not as customizable and capable as they were led to believe. To get into Linux, one must get good with combing through UA-cam videos, Google searching, combing through old Forums, and praying old information still works in the updated Linux in order to accomplish what they want. Linux is time consuming to get it to the way you finally learn how you can use it. Video Editing is another one of those topics. Most people hate the way Video Editing is in Linux because they want to take advantage of the video acceleration. If you cannot use video acceleration due to your hardware and you know it before you even attempt to get it to work, then you are just fine sticking with KdenLive.
i run davinci on linux lol
btw i have amd gpu
cough missed cinelerra-gg infintiy cough cough
Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!
Thank you for sharing this!
Bull. In the 1990s, George Lucas converted Industrial Light and Sound to Linux. He's made a dozen movies since, and never looked back.
I've got resolve working very well on my desk (nv rtx 2060 super with amg cpu) on wayland with no probs and x11 on arch linux.... I also got it working on my laptop with intel 965 gpu and also on wayland in manjaro with no problems ... just setup hwaccel. properly and that is it