Maybe try installing one rock dams in all the culverts in the spring drainage, to slow runoff when it does happen, and allow it to soak into the ground better. There are a lot of stream and groundwater restoration projects using one rock damn structures. In one study, it was hypothesized that retaining water upstream would reduce water downstream. What actually happened was it recharged the groundwater upstream, then more surface water actually ended up flowing downstream because the groundwater was full. It did this throughout the creek bed until they ended up with a much better percentage of surface water flowing downstream, higher groundwater levels throughout the creek bed (which would help a spring), and increased ability of the streambed to have water in it and better withstand times of drought
They need to add water to the water table at the source of the spring. A series of swell and manage trees planted in them would help. And remove that bridge that collapsed of course…
@@sdesytfcanon Interestingly enough, the water board president just sent one of his equipment operators to the spring to excavate under the bridge. It looks like removing some of the weight may have helped significantly improve the flow from the spring!
Remove obstructions and restore the natural path of the stream. You dont want it to flow as fast as possible as that will put too much pressure on the spring, so you want it to meander which will increase the size and diversity of river habitat. Stabilise the banks and floodplain with native vegetation to keep the water cool and provide habitat
I was wondering what was going on there. I stayed at snake ranch a few months after the big rain wiped out the dam that had been there since 1936. Good solid People in the Community! It can be fixed. Thank you for the awareness of this.
We made a conscious decision to look forward and focus on solutions, rather than trying to point fingers and lay blame. Hope you'll consider helping out! 🙂
I’m in Arizona. Golf courses are a ridiculous notion here. Along with swimming pools. I can tell you. People born here don’t come up with ideas. People move here then want to change it. If you want a lawn, go somewhere else. Stop moving to Az, we don’t want ya here.
@@devinasay this all sounds great but why ask for financial help when lower old concho benefits from the water rights in the canal. ! And moan deeply if their water rights are violated ? The folks involved in keeping the spring from flowing etc are responsible as well as old concho water right holders. Just who would receive financial donations as well. - until those points are answered you really expect donations of money ?? Just saying.
I have property 20 minutes west and often am in town but always wondered at the condition of Concho Lake. Figures someone messed with the spring. They are finicky things and easily ruined. I have rain catch and haul water and have no stake in it but will look to future support of my neighbors.
The people in this video are all landowners in Old Concho and have irrigation rights. The spring and golf course are located uphill/upstream in a community called Concho Valley. The golf course and subdivision were created together. People who live adjacent the golf course have steadfastly refused to have anything other than a golf course on that site. I hope this video helps in some way to mitigate the differences between the two opposing viewpoints. In my opinion, agricultural is a more beneficial and sustainable use of the land.
I was told by a local man that Concho had been a thriving community many decades ago. It's hard to believe that when you drive through there. Hopefully the water situation will be fixed.
@@CarolSchenklThe golf course might have been a contributing factor to the water drying up. I live just off the Concho Hwy closer to Snowflake. Trying to keep that much grass green in this climate would be a huge stressor on the water supply. ⛳🏌️♀️
@@artbyadrienne6812 golf course has been closed for a long time no grass is being kept green. I'm not naming who but there was a bit of water right wars so to say and water was being kept from going onto the lake but to share that name a d those details on a public video. Would mean a fat lawsuit. Chris candaleeia in the video knows that well he's an attorney.
I am sure correctly designed swales and dams and planting treesmaybe mirawaki forests will help regenerate water table,whilst spring issue is tackled,all this helps,biodiversity will help,permaculture basics,trat land to
Yeoman's Keyline Design is a land management concept developed by P.A. Yeomans. It involves using contour lines on the land to guide the placement of features like dams and ditches, creating a system that efficiently manages water flow and enhances agricultural productivity. It aims to maximize water retention and distribution while minimizing soil erosion in a sustainable way.
Used to live outside of Vernon and went to Concho lake to fish for trout on a regular basis and we always wondered if the golf course community was eventually going to screw up the area.............looks like it has.
@Javelina_Poppers, your memories of the lake are like those of so many other long-time residents. We believe we can repair the spring and fix the problems so that the lake can be restored to the way it was. Please visit our GiveSendGo campaign page and consider contributing if you are able. www.givesendgo.com/concho_spring .
The lake was full this spring, and the self described “water boss” drains it for irrigation every year. Little Ortega lake used to remain full, until a rancher stopped mineral creek to flood his land on the 60 between Vernon and Springerville.
Would love to donate some manpower if this thing kicks off! My wife and I bought some land in ranch of the white mountains area and would enjoy working/building relationships with the community and lending a hand.
Actually next time im there im gonna see if that irrigation well is actually working if not i may put a plug in the well casing and see if that helps build up the underground water pressure
Seems weird that the spring flows less. I don't know if the video really explains the why and the how. So if the spring was dug out would the water flow better?
Thanks for your interest, Tim and Marian. We hope to have a community meeting about the spring early next year. Watch for an announcement here or on the GiveSendGo page.
An interesting project. It's really unlike others where the source of water needs to be held in vast and degraded headlands and floodplains. Its not so much about backing the excess water up in order to recharge the floodplains as it is to actually help the water reach the reservoir. Unlike in the hills where the floodplains can fully recharge in the matter of a winter, the surrounding floodplains in the Concho Spring watershed could just take more than the spring will ever provide.
Damm is a shame what they did to this community ,i came across this video cause i was thinking about getting something property there close to the lake 😢
Is there a way to join a newsletter? My brother and I have a spot very close to the concho creek. Re greening the area seems like a lot of work but something worth while. If there is a way to stay in contact you just got two new laborers on this project. Glad to see local momentum, would be great to contribute, thanks for taking time and bringing attention to the situation at hand.
The best way to keep track of progress is follow our GiveSendGo campaign. givesendgo.com/concho_spring? Once that kicks into high gear we'll provide updates there.
Sounds like the previous owner (the golf course) was negligent. They’re probably “bankrupt” now. On a beach somewhere or busily bilking someone else. Someone got greedy and fell for a line of hooey, then everyone got taken advantage of.
Beavers would help by slowing the run off, it may sound counterintuitive but the more water that can soak into the earth will ultimately bring the spring back. You don't want it all to run into the lake as fast as possible being the lake is a huge body that absorbs a lot of energy and promotes evaporation. If the water is slowed, and eventually shaded by canopy towards the lake, eventually the water will increase
@@oldbatwit5102 I saw water in the video, what do you mean? I disagree. There is a high desert in either Oregon or Neveda? that has next to no trees, and they put beavers there, and they did a great job helping restore the creek/stream and greening up the area.
There were probably beavers there before white men hunted them out. Beavers do live in Arizona. They manage wetlands better than people and work for free. I’m quite surprised you don’t understand this.
My property is right next to the spring and probably less than 100 feet from the spring is a large well that was drilled so anyone with common sense should know that that well released all that underground pressure that forced all that water out of the spring it's just a trickle now I believe if that well plugged that underground pressure would build up again and the spring would flow again
After thought: we have a new congressman Eli Crane, ex navy seal. Maybe we can get a little environmental help from the fed govt. Maybe the Army Corps of Engineers can plan a solution that local efforts could act on.
Thank you for sharing this. As someone who owns land there I do care and am concerned for the community. Thank you for bringing awareness.
Thanks, @paullopes846. Please share with your neighbors, and contribute to the campaign if you are able to!
Maybe try installing one rock dams in all the culverts in the spring drainage, to slow runoff when it does happen, and allow it to soak into the ground better. There are a lot of stream and groundwater restoration projects using one rock damn structures. In one study, it was hypothesized that retaining water upstream would reduce water downstream. What actually happened was it recharged the groundwater upstream, then more surface water actually ended up flowing downstream because the groundwater was full. It did this throughout the creek bed until they ended up with a much better percentage of surface water flowing downstream, higher groundwater levels throughout the creek bed (which would help a spring), and increased ability of the streambed to have water in it and better withstand times of drought
I was actually going to mention one rock dams... the almighty algorithm introduced me to the concept a few weeks ago lol
They need to add water to the water table at the source of the spring. A series of swell and manage trees planted in them would help. And remove that bridge that collapsed of course…
@@sdesytfcanon
Interestingly enough, the water board president just sent one of his equipment operators to the spring to excavate under the bridge. It looks like removing some of the weight may have helped significantly improve the flow from the spring!
Remove obstructions and restore the natural path of the stream. You dont want it to flow as fast as possible as that will put too much pressure on the spring, so you want it to meander which will increase the size and diversity of river habitat. Stabilise the banks and floodplain with native vegetation to keep the water cool and provide habitat
It does have a varied path. Not a direct emptying into the shallow lake bed
I was wondering what was going on there.
I stayed at snake ranch a few months after the big rain wiped out the dam that had been there since 1936.
Good solid People in the Community!
It can be fixed.
Thank you for the awareness of this.
Agreed @wesleyfairbanks! Lots of good folks in Concho.
Why haven’t the past owners of the golf course been made pay for this another incident where the rich do what they want and get away with it
We made a conscious decision to look forward and focus on solutions, rather than trying to point fingers and lay blame. Hope you'll consider helping out! 🙂
I’m in Arizona. Golf courses are a ridiculous notion here. Along with swimming pools. I can tell you. People born here don’t come up with ideas. People move here then want to change it. If you want a lawn, go somewhere else. Stop moving to Az, we don’t want ya here.
@@devinasay this all sounds great but why ask for financial help when lower old concho benefits from the water rights in the canal. ! And moan deeply if their water rights are violated ? The folks involved in keeping the spring from flowing etc are responsible as well as old concho water right holders. Just who would receive financial donations as well. - until those points are answered you really expect donations of money ?? Just saying.
I have property 20 minutes west and often am in town but always wondered at the condition of Concho Lake. Figures someone messed with the spring. They are finicky things and easily ruined. I have rain catch and haul water and have no stake in it but will look to future support of my neighbors.
Thank you for this
Thank you for this
The people in this video are all landowners in Old Concho and have irrigation rights. The spring and golf course are located uphill/upstream in a community called Concho Valley. The golf course and subdivision were created together. People who live adjacent the golf course have steadfastly refused to have anything other than a golf course on that site. I hope this video helps in some way to mitigate the differences between the two opposing viewpoints. In my opinion, agricultural is a more beneficial and sustainable use of the land.
I was told by a local man that Concho had been a thriving community many decades ago. It's hard to believe that when you drive through there. Hopefully the water situation will be fixed.
We're going to give it our best! Please consider contributing to the Give Send Go campaign.
Yes it was once thriving. W a golf course etc but it's growing very fast now. Abd those coming in have their own business that compliment the area
@@CarolSchenklThe golf course might have been a contributing factor to the water drying up. I live just off the Concho Hwy closer to Snowflake. Trying to keep that much grass green in this climate would be a huge stressor on the water supply. ⛳🏌️♀️
@@artbyadrienne6812 golf course has been closed for a long time no grass is being kept green. I'm not naming who but there was a bit of water right wars so to say and water was being kept from going onto the lake but to share that name a d those details on a public video. Would mean a fat lawsuit. Chris candaleeia in the video knows that well he's an attorney.
Excuse me the only grass being kept green was the bottom of the shallow lake bed when it was empty. And ugly
I am sure correctly designed swales and dams and planting treesmaybe mirawaki forests will help regenerate water table,whilst spring issue is tackled,all this helps,biodiversity will help,permaculture basics,trat land to
Yeoman's Keyline Design is a land management concept developed by P.A. Yeomans. It involves using contour lines on the land to guide the placement of features like dams and ditches, creating a system that efficiently manages water flow and enhances agricultural productivity. It aims to maximize water retention and distribution while minimizing soil erosion in a sustainable way.
We had water management. They called beavers. No need for more of mans silly notions on controlling nature.
Used to live outside of Vernon and went to Concho lake to fish for trout on a regular basis and we always wondered if the golf course community was eventually going to screw up the area.............looks like it has.
@Javelina_Poppers, your memories of the lake are like those of so many other long-time residents. We believe we can repair the spring and fix the problems so that the lake can be restored to the way it was. Please visit our GiveSendGo campaign page and consider contributing if you are able. www.givesendgo.com/concho_spring .
Golf courses always screw up the area.
Other issues created it.
The lake was full this spring, and the self described “water boss” drains it for irrigation every year. Little Ortega lake used to remain full, until a rancher stopped mineral creek to flood his land on the 60 between Vernon and Springerville.
Would love to donate some manpower if this thing kicks off! My wife and I bought some land in ranch of the white mountains area and would enjoy working/building relationships with the community and lending a hand.
Actually next time im there im gonna see if that irrigation well is actually working if not i may put a plug in the well casing and see if that helps build up the underground water pressure
Seems weird that the spring flows less. I don't know if the video really explains the why and the how. So if the spring was dug out would the water flow better?
We own a couple acres in Old Concho. How can we help? Great video.
Thanks for your interest, Tim and Marian. We hope to have a community meeting about the spring early next year. Watch for an announcement here or on the GiveSendGo page.
An interesting project. It's really unlike others where the source of water needs to be held in vast and degraded headlands and floodplains. Its not so much about backing the excess water up in order to recharge the floodplains as it is to actually help the water reach the reservoir. Unlike in the hills where the floodplains can fully recharge in the matter of a winter, the surrounding floodplains in the Concho Spring watershed could just take more than the spring will ever provide.
cut swales and push berms
(when every living cell holds an ocean within water wants to flow slow )
Damm is a shame what they did to this community ,i came across this video cause i was thinking about getting something property there close to the lake 😢
Hi there an update video will be nice.
There is water in the lake now
Is there a way to join a newsletter? My brother and I have a spot very close to the concho creek. Re greening the area seems like a lot of work but something worth while. If there is a way to stay in contact you just got two new laborers on this project. Glad to see local momentum, would be great to contribute, thanks for taking time and bringing attention to the situation at hand.
The best way to keep track of progress is follow our GiveSendGo campaign. givesendgo.com/concho_spring?
Once that kicks into high gear we'll provide updates there.
ConchoCAN has a printed newsletter and a website. You can contact them thru the Mellon Community Center, too.
Sounds like the previous owner (the golf course) was negligent. They’re probably “bankrupt” now. On a beach somewhere or busily bilking someone else. Someone got greedy and fell for a line of hooey, then everyone got taken advantage of.
Someone ne blocked the creek a d locked gates fir access to some things. That may have been resolved. As thee is water in the lake now.
Talk with some wildlife experts and see if you can get some beavers located there
Guess I don't understand, QP. How would beavers help the situation?
Beavers would help by slowing the run off, it may sound counterintuitive but the more water that can soak into the earth will ultimately bring the spring back. You don't want it all to run into the lake as fast as possible being the lake is a huge body that absorbs a lot of energy and promotes evaporation. If the water is slowed, and eventually shaded by canopy towards the lake, eventually the water will increase
@@ricotrout13 It is not a suitable placing for beaver. There is no water and no trees.
@@oldbatwit5102 I saw water in the video, what do you mean? I disagree. There is a high desert in either Oregon or Neveda? that has next to no trees, and they put beavers there, and they did a great job helping restore the creek/stream and greening up the area.
There were probably beavers there before white men hunted them out. Beavers do live in Arizona. They manage wetlands better than people and work for free. I’m quite surprised you don’t understand this.
My property is right next to the spring and probably less than 100 feet from the spring is a large well that was drilled so anyone with common sense should know that that well released all that underground pressure that forced all that water out of the spring it's just a trickle now I believe if that well plugged that underground pressure would build up again and the spring would flow again
They shur recked the trout fishing .
Get rid of that golf course as that is the epitome of wasting water (for only a few people who can afford to walk around behind a piece of a rubber).
It's long gone thank god but the damage remains.
It's always the goddamn golf courses! Stop building golf courses in deserts!! It makes absolutely zero sense.
After thought: we have a new congressman Eli Crane, ex navy seal. Maybe we can get a little environmental help from the fed govt. Maybe the Army Corps of Engineers can plan a solution that local efforts could act on.
corps of engineers........we're from the government, and we're here to help. famous last words. no thanks.