*IS BATMAN IN LOVE?!* (I am) Batman Returns (1992) Reaction: FIRST TIME WATCHING Tim Burton
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It was mentioned at the time this movie was released that Michelle Pfeiffer actually learned how to use a bull whip and the scene where she whips the heads off of the department store mannequins was done in one take because that was how good she got with it.
That's awesome Michelle prepped so well, she owned the role!
Also Michelle Pfeiffer has her own instigram page and in one of her post she finds her old whip from batman returns and does a stunt with it. I so so wish they would of done a 3rd one with Michelle Pfeiffer and Michael Keaton.
Michelle pfeiffer and Michael Keaton will always be the best batman and catwoman ever.
Just think we could have actually got a Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman solo movie instead of that abomination with Halle Berry if not for WB wanting family friendly movies and not something like Batman Returns. I swear these idiots running these studios are fucking idiots sometimes.
It's on youtube ua-cam.com/video/FaWwG41_A9k/v-deo.html&ab_channel=JJshort%27s
Max Schreck was named after a German actor who did the first ever portrayal of a vampire in a movie. The German movie style from 100 years ago was also Tim Burtons inspiration for his dark and surreal style.
Max Shreck was in NOSFERATU which was the first portrayal of Dracula on-screen. It was unlicensed and Bram Stoker's widow sued. The court ordered all prints of the movie be destroyed and all but one WAS. But even now most of the copies of THAT print change the name to "Orlock" instead of Dracula.
It is interesting to note that Max Schreck's last name *and, yes, he was given it birth) is the German word for FRIGHT.
Michelle Pfeiffer has the most famous 1 line in movie history " Meow".
While this interpretation of Selina’s origin story has nothing in common with the ones in the comics, this one is my favorite. I love the dark and slightly mad feel to her. I don’t love all the elements of the Penguin’s story, but I think they knocked it out of the park with Catwoman.
Also I love the detail where at a costume party, Bruce and Selina are the only people who don’t pick a costume, suggesting that their real lives are the masks in their lives while their vigilante identities are their real selves.
Yeah. This Penguin felt more like Killer Croc than actual Penguin.
The first movie was Burton doing a Batman movie with some of his influence this one is 100 percent Burton's version of Batman the idea here is similar to the first one in that Batman Penguin and Catwoman are all the same person just like Joker and Batman were in the first one. All 3 characters here in this sequel had something terrible happen to them that transformed them into what they are in this movie its high society Christopher Walken's character is the real villain of the film Burton's message is the freaks and the weirdos are victims of the so-called established order.
I've long thought this version of Catwoman was a big inspiration in the creation of Harley Quinn.
This is my favorite live action Batman film of all time, although you could like argue that it is actually a Catwoman film (she got the arc, main motivation and even got to end the final villain). The costumes, dialogue, music and acting is the best of all the Batman films in my opinion. It's not perfect, there are things I would want to change but I still think it's the best. Some boring people are questioning the "realism" in this movie but this is a goddam superhero comic book movie! Why realism? Why not emotions? Selina being shot but still standing to get her revenge. Penguin being a reversed Moses who want to kill all the first born who got a different life than him. Alfred just wanting to celebrate fucking christmas. I love this movie. The song "Finale: part 1" is one of my favorite Batman related songs of all time.
what are some things you would change?
@@user-td6fq7or8d I would make Penguins motivation about killing the babies a mystery until the end. That would also give us time with Bruce's inner struggle of feeling for him but at the same time he cannot shake the feeling something is not right. Also Batman killing is... I mean it is a continuation of the first movie but if I could change that all together I would. Also just some action scenes are a bit too silly even though I like many of them. Stuff like that.
You mean Michele Pfeiffer, that White Gold?
I always loved the symbolism of the Masquerade Ball how everyone is wearing their "masks" and how Bruce and Selina show up without masks as they are the "mask" personas
The best catwoman.
A little too strange for my liking. I prefer my Catwoman as more the playful thief like she was in the 90s, but Michelle does a good job with this take.
Nah batman the animated series from the 1990s is wayyy better she's classy lady.
I completely agree !
This is my favorite Batman movie of all time. I agree that Catwoman and Batman are the best part. Their chemistry is fantastic and they are both incredible actors. I think this is the most imaginative and the most beautiful Batman film.
Michelle Pfeifer actually learned to use the whip herself and knocked off all the mannequin heads in one take. Don't know why they cut away during the movie, but behind the scenes shows she hit all 4 in a row.
The supernatural/metahuman origins for these characters are entirely a creation of this movie. The Penguin was supposed to be a charming, likeable socialite, the way Al Capone presented himself. This version of Catwoman is closer to The Crow then any previous version of Selina Kyle.
Despite being so non-canonical, this movie really captures the tone and essence of Gotham and the Bruce/Selina relationship better than any movie version since.
I love it lol and its just funny to me that Halle barry did the same supernatural thing and everyone hated it
I think that is one thing most people like about this movie. The Catwoman origin and animalistic literalism is completely made up just for this movie, but the Bruce and Selina Kyle relationship is on point.
This Catwoman will ALWAYS be my favourite! 🖤🌌
No one writes unhinged like Tim Burton but Selina Kyle is so beautiful but tragic and seductive yet a little innocent. She feels like a real person.
Great points! She’s my favorite Catwoman as well
Burton didn't write this, it was Daniel Watters, the guy who wrote _Heathers_
This movie is the one that made me a "DC Girl" when I first got into comics, and it was specifically because of CATWOMAN.
There are some who argue that with each adaptation (by each writer, director, actor, or all three) is a new version of that character. The reason why I love Catwoman is *because* all those differences in iterations 'fit' with the whole "Cats Have 9 Lives" -- She EVOLVES! And it is beautiful!
I wrote a practice thesis about Catwoman, and how she is the best barometer through which society and it's ideas of women change over time -- she was in the FIRST Batman-title Comic ("Batman #1"), one of it's 'founding fathers' in the massive rolodex of villains (aka: The Rogues Gallery), and in that time she has been so many things;
A Jewel Thief in a Cat Mask the 40s, a Woman With Split Personalities in the 50s, A Dominatrix & Prostitute in the 70s/80s (as written by the titan of comics Frank Miller), An Animal Rights Activist in the 90s (animated series), and since 2002 (the Brubaker relaunch) the Anti-Villain to Batman's Anti-Hero.
The solid through all of it is two fold; (1) she's a burglar, & (2) she was poor and grew up hard (usually orphaned), mistreated by those who should have cared for her, and is fighting a corrupt system. Weather she steals to get by, to get back at those who have wronged her/'her people', or from other criminals because she knows they'd never report to the police that they stuff they stole was then stolen from them, it was always about getting ahead of where she started.
From the very start they were meant to reflect each other; Batman's creators Bob Kane and Bill Finger said they saw cats as "the opposite of bats", and that she was never meant to be a killer or evil, but an opponent in a mental and romantic chess game - - and that is what that amazing dynamic between them has been built on for the past EIGHTY-TWO YEARS!
She's been Batman's wife (in the 50s and again in the last few years) and mother to his child (Helena Kyle, aka The Huntress), his "partner in crime" (they figured out how to break Superman out of Poison Ivy's Spell together in HUSH), and while Batman is a hero because of his intelligence (he is "The World's Greatest Detective", though several versions seriously lose sight of that) and was based on Sherlock Holmes, Catwoman *is* his perfect foil, his Irene Adler; The Woman Who Got Away and outsmarted him.
Much as I really do enjoy Anne Hathaway's version, Michelle Pfeiffer is the one who lead me down this rabbit hole and for that I will always love her because I am grateful.
I grew up watching Batman 1989 as THE definitive Batman movie, so I do prefer it of these two; however Batman Returns has really grown on me in recent years and as an adult I can appreciate how well crafted it is, how well written, and thematic. In some ways it is more “stylized” than the first and I think it actually serves the themes very well. So many little nuances too - like both Bruce and Selina going maskless to the costume ball which kind of asks the question “ARE they really maskless… or IS that the mask?” Burton is definitely a genius
I really love this movie this was my first introduction with Batman. Also fun Fact in the Arrowverse Crisis on Infinite Earth's Crossover there was an Easter egg with the reporter Knox from the 89 Batman but there was supposed to b also be an Easter egg to this movie a newspaper article which announced the marriage between Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne. So I like to think they got their happy same as Bales Batman and Heatheways Catwoman.
That would be nice if they got their happily ever after! Although part of me loves the tragic impossibility of their romance portrayed in this film... I found the ending scene sad, yet beautiful, especially the iconic shot of the bat symbol framed with the silhouette of Catwoman, so great!
Love both of Burton's films, as much as the Nolan films, each director really put their own stamp on the characters. Danny Elfman really did an amazing job with both scores as well. Shame they didn't get to make it a trilogy.
I loved this movie as kid (although I was disappointed that Vicki Vale in written off with an almost literal throwaway line), but my mom who took me was so angry about it and it took me years to understand why. Even though the stories are fever dreams and don't really make any sense, I love the Burton Batman films for the atmosphere, aesthetic and the performances.
In an early draft, she was in it, but she didn't really do much.
12:22 fun fact, the television show, Gotham, which ran from 2014-2019 pays great homage to this iconic scene. Also, Paul Reubens, aka, Pee Wee Herman, who plays Penguin's dad in the beginning also recreates Penguin's father on Gotham. A show you should check out.
The show, Gotham is more about how Jim Gordon became Commissioner Gordon during its run and another story how the boy Bruce became The Dark Knight. It has all the great characters that made Batman and probably the best Alfred ever. Not only the butler and caretaker of Bruce but one kick ass, fighting Alfred played by Sean Pertwee who was in Event Horizon (1997), and Dog Soldiers (2002), a war movie with werewolves.
I love this movie so much. My only problem with it is that Penguin feels a lot more like Killer Croc than his actual self, but I can forgive that because of Danny DeVito’s amazing performance.
The darkest and controversial Batman movie ever.
You misspelled "bestest ever".....
@@Shadowman4710 and because of that, they got Joel to sprinkle his gayness into the future films, destroying the DC movies until Nolan returned with Batman Begins.
I really enjoyed that the first scene we have of Bruce, he is brooding as that is his natural state, awaiting the call to action.
Very true, and those opening shots of him with the appearing Bat symbol are gorgeous 👌
Max Schreck was not in The Comics,he`s actually named after a German actor who starred in "Nosferatu"(One of the first and most terrifying on-screen vampires which was actually an illegal adaptation of "Dracula" before it went into the public domain and was nearly destroyed by Bram Stoker`s widow Florence Stoker, being salvaged and modified by British sailors to be more copyright-friendly.)
This is my favorite Batman across the board, not just out of Tim Burton’s. It’s dark and punny and still very over the top comic book style while giving you lots of emotions. Imo, this one is even more “Tim Burton”y than the first one, lol
I *love* the chemistry and interactions between Bruce and Selena. Vicki was too normal to make a relationship work, but Selena is complicated and dealing with similar struggles of who her true self is just like Bruce. They are more believable as a couple who can connect and understand each other. Plus, Michael Keaton and Michelle Pfeiffer were just great together.
So great to see people react positively to the classics.
Has anyone ever noticed that when Michael Keaton walks into Schreck's party, the band is playing "Superfreak?" Everyone misses that. Haha.
The last truly brilliant, creative and exciting comic book style Batman movie.
When Michael Keaton was announced as Batman, there was a big backlash. People were convinced he was too goofy to be Wayne. I'm proud to say that I immediately applauded the casting and danced around my house (not unlike the joker 😏). No matter how many versions they make...MK will Always be MY BATMAN! 😍 And Michelle will fore be MY CATWOMAN! 😻
Oh I LOVE this one. Michelle Pfeiffer is theeee only Cat Woman (ok maybe Eartha Kitt as well).
I'm not familiar with Eartha Kitt, but Michelle was AMAZING
@@nickreacts6394 it was a barrier breaking role. And Eartha is naturally sassy and brought that to the role.
Definitely! Michelle Pfeiffer is still MY Catwoman. She also has the best Catwoman suit.
my kid cried so hard when we watched this. they were heartbroken at the idea that all those penguins at the end of the movie were just left abandoned and all alone after the penguin died. they thought the penguins must be so sad without him.
Max Shrek isn't from the comics, he's a character made for the movie. Additionally, Michelle Pfeiffer actually learned how to use a whip for the role and still knows how to use it to this day. I adore both Tim Burton Batman movie, but I do like the first one a little more.
Ah, ok so Max was completely original... that makes sense as I've never even heard of him. And props to Michelle Pfeiffer!
Michelle became the best Catwoman ever. Fantastic! Batman Returns is my favorite of all the Batman movies without a doubt.
I couldn't see if anyone already mentioned it, but Bruce and Selina being the only ones not in a mask at the party implies that their public personas are their masks, while Batman and Cat Woman are their real selves.
Lots of cool symbolism in this film!
The Penguin is first rejected, wrongfully, for looking like a monster, and then is, rightfully, rejected for being a monster - The lake exit is symbolic of this. The penguins' funeral at the end is sad for them, though there's a tinge of sympathy for The Penguin - The penguins raised Osward with love and care, giving their all to him, but only raised a monster, who couldn't overcome his hardships to be the respectable member of society he was initially perceived to be, him ultimately destroying himself due to being an embittered, hate-filled monster.
Selina feels liberated ego-wise as Catwoman, after being mistreated by Max Schreck, with the attempted murder being the straw that breaks the camel's back. However, despite her new, awesome persona, her costume gets more and more battered and torn throughout the film, as she keeps making the wrong choices - She fights someone she's not supposed to and dies because of it with Batman, teams up with a murderous supervillain who ends up killing her due to a perceived slight from an overblown ego, and then dies multiple times by killing a murderer in revenge instead of letting the law handle it.
Selina and Bruce aren't wearing masks at the "Annual Maxsquerade", as Batman and Catwoman are their true identities.
The main Catwoman theme is my favorite musical composition ever written
I just noticed that was Paul Reubens as Penguin's dad who also played his dad in Gotham. How cool is that?
Max Schreck is not from the comics, he was made specifically for the movie. Fun Fact! In one of the early drafts, Max was the Penguin's brother!
This movie is just so magical. I will never get tired of watching this
Batman Returns has always been my favorite Batman movie.
by far my fav batman movie everrr..
Batman Returns
Batman Returns the best Batman movie ever , the real Gotham City !!!
Gotham really feels like its own character in the Burton movies
Danny Devito recently wrote a Penguin comic book story for DC comics featuring the Tim Burton version of his character and Michelle Pfeiffer‘s Catwoman. It’s crazy.
Catwoman was meant to die, but they changed their minds in post production. The studio spent millions to get the last shot of Catwoman looking at the Bat Symbol, and it wasn’t Michelle Pfeiffer in the suit.
Money well-spent in my opinion! That final shot is gorgeous, and I'm actually glad that they decided to let Catwoman live... I didn't realize that was the original plan!
danny devito is incredible in this movie does such a great job of playing the villain evil, grotesque, vile and yet you sympathize with him
notice when Bruce tore off his mask his eye makeup went with it...one for the blooper reel...Michelle Pfeiffer played the best Catwoman to date
I've never realized that while everyone is in mask at the ball Bruce and Selena are not. Perhaps because them in not in there suits is the mask 🤔
I think that’s exactly right!
Batman might not have been but just about every teenaged male in 1992 came of age to Michelle Pfeifer in the leather catsuit.
I know I did and I was already 27 at the time 😜😜
Fun little fact. Paul Reubens, who plays Oswald's father in this film, reprised his role in FOX's "Gotham" a few years ago. Of course that Penguin was a bit different than this one but just as fun.
That's a cool tie-in, Gotham is one of those shows I'd like to watch eventually... and I have to agree, this Catwoman was FIRE haha
@@nickreacts6394 I highly recommend it. It's literally the last network tv show I bothered to watch. Even though it's done by Bruno Heller (of "Rome" and "Pennyworth" fame) you can definitely see the Burton influence on it.
@@nickreacts6394 The TV show Gotham is interesting. It grounds its characters in reality like Nolan's films did, but unlike Nolan, it builds from those humble beginnings to evolve the extreme, wild characters we're familiar with from the comics.
neither Bruce nor Selina wore a mask/costume to the party because they are themselves the costumes, i.e. Batman is Bruce's true self and Catwoman is Selina's true self.
Love the symbolism, and I'd say most likely a direct inspiration for the dance scene in Dark Knight Rises
This film is almost surrealist. The timeline makes no sense and the atmosphere is deliberately dreamlike. It's one of my favorite Batman films ever.
In response to Thor remark about Selina being responsible for getting Max his papers..I think that's exactly her job I believe.
The actor that played Penguin's father was in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie
Pee Wee Herman.
Also the voice of Shock in NBC.
Considering Danny has the hypnosis umbrella I say he enjoyed it
Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman is the reason why Anne Hathaway's take rubbed me the wrong way. Michelle embodied that character so well. It didn't feel forced to me, I could feel her pain despite her sarcasm and my gosh she was so funny too! "Honey I'm home!...Oh I forgot, I'm not married" 😂. And I agree with you that Selina and Bruce were the best part of this film. Their chemistry was so intense, l loved it! I liked how they both lead double lives and how they kinda bonded over their loneliness. Their relationship made this film my favourite even though Nicholson's Joker was really good. But to be honest, there's something too theatrical about Tim Burton's style and it prevents me from getting into his films. I can never take the villains seriously either. The Penguin made me laugh unintentionally a couple of times (his yellow duck for example). Not sure if you're doing more Burton, but I'd honestly love a "Mars Attacks!" reaction. It's zany but I think you'll enjoy it. "Edward Scissorhands" is a no brainer of course. Always fun watching these reactions :)
Yeah, while I liked Anne Hathaway's Catwoman as well, I think you're exactly right regarding the pain portrayed throughout in Michelle's take (which I really liked). She felt like a broken character who was embracing the darker side of her personality, and thereby reaching a new confidence in that identity... I would have loved to see more of her (and maybe less of Penguin haha). Overall though, having watched these two Burton Batman films, I have a new respect for his role in shaping Batman and the Batman tropes that are now commonplace in pop culture. And I'd love to react to both Mars Attacks and Edward Scissorhands if I have time... maybe as Patreon bonus reactions :)
@@nickreacts6394 Yeah I agree with you. Stylistically speaking, Burton's Batman was incredibly creative and I was definitely impressed with a lot of the shots. Also, I know you're busy but I'd love to revisit "Mars Attacks!" for sure!...It's so underrated but so creative and it has a stellar cast too. I think Jack Nicholson is in it? I actually rewatched the trailer and my gosh it still freaks me out haha. I think it's the only Burton film that has genuinely scared me even though I'm not entirely sure of the genre. A Patreon exclusive would be amazing :)
@@nickreacts6394 you should definitely react to Sleepy Hollow (1999), a masterpiece and a celebration of classic horror by Burton and company.
@@thegladve That movie gave me night terrors as a kid but I still couldn't stop myself from watching it till the VHS tape broke
This movie was originally supposed to introduce both the characters of Robin and Two-Face. The Robin part didn't happen because that would've been too many characters and too many story lines. Two-Face didn't happen because Billy Dee Williams wanted out of his Batman obligation, and they fulfilled that for him. Harvey Dendt was turned into Max Shreck, and made into the shady businessman. The electrocution scene at the end was originally written as that's how Harvey Dendt became Two-Face. Instead, it was just used to kill Max.
Danny Devito is my favorite penguin ever
Fav Batman and Catwoman duo
this is my favorite of this series of batman movies. i loved it so much as a kid. penguin is really creepy and i love catwoman. this is my favorite portrayal of catwoman from any version.
WB was going to do a Catwoman movie with Michelle . There was a site ( forget the name) that had whole unused movie scripts. I read the one that was for Catwoman and it was bad! The "villian's" name was Captain God.
Michelle Pfeiffer did that whip scene in one take and did it herself with the mannequins.
I love this movie. I had black and white "meow!" Shirt as a Teenager. And at that time there was a theme park near me with wb attractions and the Batman flight simulator followed part of this story as Batman tried to rescue you from the circus people attacking the crowd. It was so cool!
That's awesome! And that ride sounds like a lot of fun too, what a cool experience!
Burton's Batman was just great. It is the comic's Batman.
Max Shreck was invented for this movie, and the Animated Series would take a similar approach for several of its villain origins; Ferris Boyle, Rupert Thorne, and Roland Daggett were also similarly mundane villains who created the supervillains who would destroy them.
Well, Rupert Thorne was in the Englehart-Rogers run.
Mask of the phantasm is amazing, and Batman subzero is good too.
I relate to the penguin.. I may not be disfigured but everyone treats me as such💔
Not just Keaton Bale’s Batman and west’s Batman also kills too
Michelle Pfeiffer is my favorite Catwoman of all time. Danny Devito was an amazing Penguin. Michael Keaton is my 1st favorite Batman but Robert Pattinson is a very close 2nd.
One of my favorite movies
This is still my favorite Batman.
Best Catwoman! Greetings from Germany❤
Originally Tim was going to have Burgess Meredith play Penguin’s father but couldn’t do the role. Tim got Pee Wee Herman instead to play the father. Harvey Dent was supposed to be in Max’s place but they couldn’t get him back. Tim wrote the character Max Shreck instead.
I really miss those 'over-the-top'-Batman-Movies. I mean I really liked 'The dark knight'-trilogy, but this one will always be my favorite (with the best catwoman of all time).
So, just to clarify, there are no supernatural elements to Catwoman in this. The movie explains what happened to her with one of Max's lines. "Who would have thought she had a brain to damage?" She's mentally broken and gradually coming undone. Her "resurrection" was symbolic. The fact that she survives a lot of the things she does can be chalked up to the fact that it's a Tim Burton movie. He doesn't exactly work in reality as a medium.
On the performance side of things, Pfeifer learned to use a whip at a very high level and really did put a live bird in her mouth for her role. She killed it in this. Best character hands down.
As for Penguin, while this is NOT his origin, there are a lot of elements true to his character in this. He comes from wealth, was cast down to the bottom unjustly, and wants desperately to receive the attention and adoration that he feels someone of his class deserves, resorting to crime in order to elevate his own status. It's just that in this version, it's his own family that casts him out for his appearance and violent nature. Burton loves the Frankenstein's Monster approach to characters. In the comics, Oswald is the heir to the Cobblepot estate (sort of rivals to the Waynes), but he was cast out of high society by misfortune when that estate was lost.
Incidentally, I love the fact that he incorporated Burges Meredith's Penguin laugh into the character in his own way.
This is a very unique take on Batman and his rogues, and it's great all around.
I really wish we would have gotten a 3rd Tim Burton movie with Harvey Dent from the first movie being Two-Face, and Cat Woman returning.
Instead we got the two horrible follow ups (Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin). They had a star studded cast, but without Tim Burton and Michael Keaton, they just fell flat. 🥺 We really lost the opportunity to continue this amazing franchise.
WB got what they deserved pushing out Tim Burton and making Michael Keaton quit with those two shitty Batman movies and don't forget the even worse Catwoman. Batman didn't recover until Christopher Nolan took over.
@@dsfddsgh not everyone like Anne Hathaway. I thought she was ok but could have been better
The first one was a better Batman Movie while this one was a better Tim Burton's movie for me, But i think this one had more dept and clear plot and a better pace, so Return is my favorite
Saul Goodman pulled an Oswald Cobblepot
if you like this version of penguin you will love him in batman the animated series as well as kevin conroys take on batman
So I've never really been one for superhero films personally but Batman Returns was like the ONE exception for me for years until the Nolan films came around. And honestly the only reason I even stumbled upon this film when I was a kid is because Paul Reubens is Penguin's dad and I grew up a massive Pee-Wee fan. 😂😂😂
About Catwoman's 9 lives.. giving the fact she was actually shot multiple times at the end, you could assume it was not just a possible reading, but a certainty. Though, I believe the counting of 1 bullet = 1 live is a bit pessimistic. Even in a vital organ (not heart nor brain though, but neither of them where shot I believe), it takes times to die from it. Here she was shot multiple time in a short time period. I'd say all of them count as only 1 live, and that it's also possible that the litter fall wasn't a life taken away. So there still may be some of them left to Selina.
Great video, point break!
Aaaaaaaaaaand, 2 hours and 6 minutes later, McDonald's withdraws its sponsorship. 🤣
Did that really happen??
@@nickreacts6394 Sure did. They had a Happy Meal promotional tie-in with the film, but pulled it after seeing the dark tone and grotesque violence and didn't want to be affiliated. 😆
I love Danny Devito's performance here. It's anything but subtle, but he's not overacting. *Penguin* is overacting. Nearly constantly. But it's an acting choice that Devito's making. Penguin was raised as a circus freak, so he knows how to work a crowd. And he's done it so long that he just can't turn it off.
The first was Burton making a Batman film with some of his influence this one is him given 100 percent control the theme here similar to the first is Batman and Catwoman Penguin are the same all 3 wronged by the world striking back in different ways with the rich being the real villain in Christopher Walken's character and Penguins rich parents. This one has richer themes and ideas but has trouble juggling all the characters with a less tighter script and fewer fun villains with Penguin compared to Joker even though Danny did a great job he's not on the level of Joker. This is a great sequel but the first was better being an awesome Batman film with a tighter narrative script because it didn't have as many characters to juggle.
During the second season of the 1966 classic tv series, Penguin and Batman ran against each other for mayor of Gotham City over the course of two episodes, "Hizzoner the Penguin" and "Dizonner the Penguin”
These two episodes are an absolutely brilliant political commentary.
There was even a New York Times article talking about how these episode mirror the 2016 presidential election.
Fascinating and funny. 🦇🎩
Enjoyed this reaction very much I just subscribed to your channel. I do love both of Tim Burtons Batman films but Batman Returns just edges it for me. Shame he never got the reigns to the following 2 films as that was originally the plan then it all went very very wrong for Batman films until Mr Nolan came along.
Fun fact Michelle Pfeiffer was actually gonna play Vicky Vale in the first Batman film but Michael Keaton (Real name Michael Douglas) put a stop to that as they had not long come out of a romantic relationship in real life. Guess we should all thank him for that of we may have ended up with Madonna as Catwoman now that would have been a terrible tragedy 😂
All involved in this film really did a wonderful job it was a complete joy to watch this at the cinema.
I didn’t remember how really fun and better than the first movie this really was. Some people dismiss Michelle Pfeiffer’s performance. I think she is great. The most menacing and sexy of them all. Maybe the best. This Penguin is the creepiest, so far, of all the big screen Batman foes.
Danny Devito was amazing
It's strange how they had Batman willing to kill when Batman's whole thing is not killing either through action or inaction.
That's why him and Catwoman were so good romantically. In the real lore, she was just a cat burglar and also never killed. They were perfect...until Talia Al Gul happened. But let's just pretend she doesn't exist because she is sort of the worst, as is her offspring.
When I first saw this movie I was scared cuz of the clowns, due to the success of 1989 Batman Tim Burton was given full reign to do whatever he wanted. In fact Mcdonalds was all set to do a Happy Meal to promote it but that idea got canceled cuz the movie was so violent. Also you recognize Pee-Wee Herman in the beginning as Penguin's Father. Bottom line it's a Tim Burton so to most people it's to dark, it's depressing and weird. Also look at what happens with Penguin he's not a psycho who becomes evil for the hell of it, he's a confused and sad misfit who's just trying to fit in.
Is movie , is classic is iconic is dark im love
The summer this came out I was staying with my grandparents with my brother and cousin. I was 13, cousin was 12, and brother was 11. We really wanted to see this movie in theaters. The song "Cop Killer" by Ice T and Body Count came out on WB Records then too. So my grandparents wanted boycott WB including this WB movie. We begged and they let us see it while they watched a different movie at the same time.
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I am late just catching up on older stuff. Would love to if you watched Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. I grew up with all 4 on vhs.
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And this movie is why Disney keeps Tim Burton on a short leash...
Both McDonald's and Hasbro pulled out of their marketing contracts with WB over how overtly violent and sexual this movie is. One of my friends said Batman Returns was one nip slip or F-bomb away from being the Caped Crusader's first R-rated flick (That honor going to 2016's animated rendering of "The Killing Joke").
The Penguin/Shreck storyline is rather disjointed as it went through several rewrites. Originally Penguin was supposed to be Max's long lost elder brother, hence the obsession with Shreck and stealing of the firstborn children of Gotham's elite.
Is he a character from the comments... that just sounds funny. Somebody just made up that character in the comments. lol
Phil Collins, Bob Hoskins, Christopher Lloyd, Dean Martin, Ralph Waite, John Goodman, Dudley Moore, Marlon Brando, Alan Rickman, Dustin Hoffman, John Candy, Charles Grodin, Christopher Lee, Joe Pesci, Alex Rocco, Ray Liotta Gabriel Byrne and Christopher Lee were almost cast as The Penguin.
You mentioned Christopher Lee twice.
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The first Tim Burton Batman will always be iconic; and the best of the two films. That being said; I, like many, fell for the Batman/Catwoman storyline, and Michelle Pfeiffer's performance in general. She truly made the film; it's a pity she didn't accept the role again for the Stand-alone movie, because that piece of trash sucked. These two film will always be amongst my favorite films by far. This was pure comic book fun in film form, and why you do see a Comic Book Super Hero film for!
Michelle Pfiefer is the best Catwoman ever
For me, I'd have to give it to Batman Returns, which is my favorite of the four Burton/Shumacher Batman movies.
The first Batman movie was written during a writer's strike, and you can tell, there's a (slight) cohesiveness to "Returns", where as the events in Batman '89 feel a lot more random. Moreover, Jack Nicholson as the Joker, for me, felt pretty derivative of things he'd already done in "Five Easy Pieces", "The Shining", "One Flew Over the Cook-coos Nest" and (much later) "The Departed", and they were much more effectively done then they were here. I'd also argue that "Returns" (along with "Edward Scissorhands") feels like one of the most personal films Burton has ever done.
All that being said, "Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" is still my all-time favorite Batman movie, with the Dark Knight being a very close second.
I must suggest you watch Batman Forever, A lot of people doesnt like but for others like me is not a bad batman movie (in fact I prefer Forever than Returns)