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What's wild is that Steinbrenner Field's dimensions are EXACTLY the same as Yankee Stadium. Be interesting to see how the Rays play in a field emulating Yankee Stadium.
Not just the dimensions. They oriented the stadium so that the sun field (Left) is the same between the minor league park and the big ballpark in the Bronx.
Honestly, I commend the way everyone just came to a final decision on a solution for this situation, immediately. Nothing would have been worse than carrying this drama into early January, or so, as Spring Training approached. This is what it is, it's certainly not optimal, but it is what will happen and it needed to happen sooner than later. Play Ball!
I doubt that, taking into consideration, no a/c in the middle of summer, who is going to want to sit in the sun for 3 hours in 90 degree heat. They could not fill Tropicana Field and I doubt they will this one either.
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@ I understand that 100% and that’s my point ..Why go to Las Vegas at all when they are not even wanted and the TV revenue is a lot smaller than if they just stay in Sacramento .This has to be the worst business deal in baseball history . The only reason the Raiders get the support they get is because a majority of their fan base is in LA who comes to Las Vegas for a weekend ,The A’s have no fan base in LA or Las Vegas who is a Dodger town who even have a store on the Strip ..But as they say good luck the lights stay on thanks to the failures of others .
As a Yankees fan this was the outcome I was hoping for - not for any financial reason but as you said it just makes the most logistical sense as a temporary location. TV broadcasts of Yankees spring training games are definitely much simpler with fewer camera angles, but hopefully they can work it out. Glad they can stay in the area and not have to play for Mickey Mouse.
Rays fan that moved from St. Pete to Tampa this summer. The humidity is going to be brutal but i'm very interested in seeing MLB games here. The 11k capacity at Tampa is 3k better than anything in Pinellas. Ive gone to a few Tarpons games and its perfectly fine as a short term replacement. Tarpons games are pretty empty, I imagine they play on side fields, or if it's a mutual deal, maybe they can play at the Rays ST training stadium in Port Charlotte.
Steinbrenner Field, which opened in 1996 as Legends Field, sits across Dale Mabry Highway from Raymond James Stadium. It provides the largest capacity (11,026) of the spring stadiums, along with 13 suites, several club areas, social spaces and cabana seating, plus other upgrades from a $40 million renovation prior to the 2017 season. Equally appealing, it has much of the required major-league-standard equipment, facilities and amenities for players in place. As a result, the facility would require the fewest upgrades to meet MLB regular season and players association standards.
The only time people will go is April and maybe May. After that, too hot and humid and wet season. Miami Marlins played at Dolphin stadium from 1993-2011. They had plenty of rain delays and postponements. It worked, but their attendance was low.
@@ringwormsherm If its against a division opponent it might make sense just to remake some of the games in their stadium. Like you could do a double header at Yankee Stadium or Camden Yards but the makeup game the Rays would be batting second while in another stasdium.
Outside of the fact that it will probably be about 1000 degrees for night games in July and August with the inevitable rain delays, it is the most viable option for 2025 insofar as keeping the team in Tampa. The long term solution is the new ball park.
MLB should contract (subtract) two teams until the stadium situation is worked out. Two leagues, 14 teams each, two divisions each league, post season tournament to determine the world series. Division winners get extra byes, eight teams participate top four, semi interleague with triple elimination. Marlins go the American League. When stadium situation is fixed we go to a 32 MLB teams.
@@David-xr4yd Agree with your goal of having 32 teams. 16 per league. 8 four team divisions a la the NFL. Not all that enthusiastic about the contraction part of your proposal. Which two teams would you subtract?
FYI: The single-A season is 132 games long so the Rays would play 15 more home games than the Tarpons. The implies greater than 6.2 rainouts--maybe closer to 10. That's brutal for rescheduing. Ouch.
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NBC Sports reported that the Tarpons will play their games on one of the other diamonds at the facility (probably will play non conflicting games in Steinbrenner still I would imagine) From the NBC Sports article: "The Tampa Tarpons, one of the Yankees minor league teams, play their home games at Steinbrenner Field during the summer. They will use baseball diamonds elsewhere in the training complex this season."
2024 Average Attendance for Rays was 16,515. IDK how many season ticket holders there are. Steinbrenner Field is a nice venue. Main downside: Much of the stadium is exposed to the sun (unlike the Trop)... so no air conditioning and minimal rain protection.
Regarding the condition of the field with it being shared by 2 teams, look at Shea Stadium in 1975: the Mets, Jets, Yankees, and Giants all had to share the field because of renovations to Yankee Stadium. I’m sure 2 baseball teams can manage one summer
@@yell0wberryThat was for 3 games due to Irma. Houston Astors were at the Trop during Harvey. Milton was the worst storm and destroyed the roof. This is more than 1 season.
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What's a "doubleheader"? Unusual circumstances, call for unique solutions. Sometimes working together with opponents is required. It benefits everybody.
The best place to build a new stadium would be the Tampa Fairgrounds, where the Hard Rock is across the street and the amphitheater is. The Florida State Fair will have to move.
I'm personally a Rays fan who, in my opinion, feel like Rays fans on the Tampa side have been dramatic about the bridge. It's really not that big of a deal. I've lived on that side and commuted to Rays games. I've also lived on the St. Pete side and commuted to Tampa for Bolts and Bucs and never complained. Fans of other teams who live an hour+ away make the pilgrimage at least once or twice a year because you love your team, want to support them, and for many they chose to live where they do in proximity to the field, so get over it. Now that the Rays will be playing in Tampa across from RayJay, fans better be filling that stadium up with 80%+ occupancy every night to give credence to this idea that the Rays have to put the stadium in Tampa. It'll be close for them, the people from Orlando and Lakeland now have a shorter commute, and the St. Pete folks have to commute anyway for sports game. If they don't routinely fill that stadium, I'm going to call BS on the whole "St. Pete is a bad location" idea. It's just that people don't go to games - but not for a lack of support mind you. It'll just show that the difference between Hillsborough and Pinellas won't be as big of a deal as folks are making it out to be. On a side note, those games are going to be BRUTAL in the heat, and with all the rain. Hopefully not too many games get rained out. People used to love giving the Trop a hard time, but I think they are really going to miss it after this season.
I would suggest regarding “Rain Outs” at the outdoor TAMPA Ballpark that I if a one occurs against a Divisional Opponent then the RAYS should consider making up those games at the Away Stadium. This is possible because of the numerous times these teams will play each other throughout the season. All other Non-Divisional Opponents would have to attempt to play Double-Headers there in TAMPA. If these Make up Double-Headers are Single Admission then the RAYS would lose the Gate Revenue regardless so having additional games a Real MLB Stadium would benefit the Players.
Just think the Rays fans at Steinbrenner Field will be able to park in lighted, concrete parking lots while just across the street Bucs fans park on the grass for $50.
It's fine in the spring in February and March when the Yankees play there, but it's going to be brutal playing in the Florida heat and humidity in June, July and August
The Steinbrenners are from the Tampa area and the Yankees have offices there. Hal said he understands the community there and that’s more important than a rivalry
I’d imagine the Yankees rookie ball and Single A team will use the same field for the scheduled conflicts ( rookie ball games tend to be 12-3 or so ) while single A starts at 6:30pm
I can’t help but be reminded of the Coyotes situation in Mullet, plans for a new stadium with no certainty while playing in a non suitable facility. Hopefully they can get it figured out
This made the most sense by far and I though it was crazy all those who were saying “oh the Yankees would never let them use it because they are rivals”?!? It ain’t 1930 anymore, these teams are billion dollar corporations working in collaboration and see each other as business partners not rivals regardless of what the fanbases think. It is a nonsense take to say the Yankees wouldnt let the Rays use their spring training facility when the Yankees will do whatever generates the most revenue for MLB baseball & the Yankees and the more profitable the Rays, the more money in the Yankees pocket.
Weather wise - last 2-3 months of season were the worst for rain delays , felt like every other day was delayed or outright canceled which is normal for FSL teams to not have even amount of games played
As I start mentally thinking about this-- the Dodgers played at the LA Coliseum (with the screens in LF) and the Giants played at Seals Stadium when they both first moved out to LA. I'd have to see Jarry Park, but I know Arlington Stadium mainly built bleacher seats when the Washington Senators moved and upgraded that Texas League ballpark...
@@HHSGDFootballJPD You could say Jarry Park in Montreal and Sicks Stadium in Seattle in 1969, since expansion was bumped up the stadiums weren't built yet.
speaking of television: Fan Duel Sports Network (Diamond Sports Group - formerly Ballys) has struck deals with the Rays, Tigers, Braves, Angels, Marlins and Cardinals on restructured deals for 2025.
I haven’t heard much about the fate of the struggling Ballys/Diamond lately. Sports media has always fascinated me. I hope Brodie does a video on that.
I’ll probably go to more games now that they are closer to Orlando. But as you said outside in Florida summer will be a big issue. It rains almost every afternoon.
I’ve heard the biggest reason for the Rays’ attendance problem was just that it was an annoying drive, so they’re moving to a smaller stadium where they’ll have higher demand for seats.
I wonder which team will have a worse home Sacramento A's or Tampa Bay. Which will be hotter to play in? It's going to be super hot in both locations to watch Baseball. If I were a gambler I would bet the Ray's will be there for 4 years. The new stadium is likely delayed a year until 2029.
Steinbrenner Field is a good ballpark. I’ll definitely fly in to catch a Rays game or two there. I really think the best place for a new Rays ballpark was one of the Ybor City sites, but that’s just my $0.02….
I wonder what's going to happen with all the rain out games since Steinbrenner stadium doesn't have a roof and it rains a lot in Florida not to mention the scorching heat during day games
Its possible that you can put a cheaper roof on Tropicana. The fancy Teflon coated fabric is a 20-30 year roof. They can throw a cheaper 5 year roof that could last just a bit longer than the construction schedule for the new stadium
Fans don't want to cross the bridge. Are you listening owners of the Rays? Scap St Pete ballpark plans. Build in Orlando, a major league city and tourist attraction!!
I'm glad at least they have made a decision. Now we can move forward. Kudos to Yankees for their gesture even though we are fierce rivals, maybe we can now put that to rest.
It looks like it could be a major league stadium with some additions. The stadium the Blue Jays played in when they had to play in Buffalo was nice, also. The Sacramento stadium looks straight AA.
Eighteen different Rays opponents are scheduled to make only one trip to Tampa this season ... the AL Central, the AL West, and the eight NL teams that visit.
I don’t love the 2 AL teams in minor league parks point. The two situations seem so different. The A’s irregardless of the future should never have been allowed to play in Sacramento unless it had been announced it was going to be their permanent home. They should’ve figured out how to stay in the coliseum until the permanent home was ready. Tampa has no choice unless they were going to be leaving Tampa permanently.
You should do more detail about financials curious how this works... city gave 6.5 mil already do they get 6.5 back from insurance... rays have to lease from yankees and how much and will insurance policy pay that... lots of financial questions...
Steinbrenner Field, which opened in 1996 as Legends Field, sits across Dale Mabry Highway from Raymond James Stadium. It provides the largest capacity (11,026) of the spring stadiums, along with 13 suites, several club areas, social spaces and cabana seating, plus other upgrades from a $40 million renovation prior to the 2017 season. Equally appealing, it has much of the required major-league-standard equipment, facilities and amenities for players in place. As a result, the facility would require the fewest upgrades to meet MLB regular season and players association standards.
The Tarpons I guess could play the conflict home games at the opponents stadiums and bat last in those games since all the teams in that league are I think within the state of Florida
One thing you didn't mention, a lot of money comes from luxury seats and they will lose that for a year. But if it goes more than a year they could have trouble getting those commitments back.
Assuming the new stadium plans included demolishing the Trop after completion, it might be possible to do the demo first and then build an upgraded stadium on the same footprint and reusing some of the structural elements. May be the lowest cost option. Wondering if that is being considered?
Not to mention maybe working with the Yanks on getting some OF seating in CF to add to the number of fans. Yeah, there were no perfect solutions to this. I think the free agency is the least of their issues. (they were never major players in that anyway).. the facilities are already MLB standard.. probably better than Fenway or Wrigley (because they were built before WWI) because the Yanks do spend so much time there. The Tarpons.. at the worst can use a back lot field and upgrade some seating.. it is A-Ball anyway... They'll figure it out.
Average attendance is ~17k, so selling out all of the games still leaves 1/3 of the ticket revenue lost. All the seats look amazing at Steinbrenner though, but hard to make it up to lost luxury box lessors. If they can recoup $25M from insurance and if they can stay in the $56M budget and if they can amortize the $31M over 3 years instead of 2, the economic impact of patching Tropicana may be doable, but that is a lot of ifs.
Dunedin Blue Jays stadium would not of worked, parking is abysmal and minimal , the Clearwater Threshers stadium has way better parking but is the most popular team attendance wise for the FSL compared to Tarpons/ JAYS both being bottom feeders , downside is that stadium is old , pretty often dugouts can flood 2-3 times a year / locker rooms are nice however
I actually think some of the players might like the idea of playing in minor league park. Some of the players have problems adjusting to bigger ball parks and more fans/noise. They still get to play 82 away games in bigger ball parks also.
The weather will definitely be a major factor also let's see the loyalty of the fans if they cannot sell out 11,000 every night they should sell the team to a loyal fan base like Buffalo
Keep the Rays in Steinbrenner Stadium until the new stadium in St Pete is completed. Although they averaged 16,515 in Tropicana last year it’s still the best option and it’s closer to my house.
In fairness, I don't think anyone could have predicted Milton and what it would do. As for the A's, that's 100% on Manfred. He makes me miss Bud Selig.
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That picture of Steinbrenner Field looks nicer than Tropicana looked on its best day.
It's actually a better location than Tropicana ironically.
Honestly it's gonna be a great place to watch a game.
The Rays new stadium should be built in Tampa, not St. Petersburg.
What's wild is that Steinbrenner Field's dimensions are EXACTLY the same as Yankee Stadium. Be interesting to see how the Rays play in a field emulating Yankee Stadium.
It’s not wild. Many minor league parks have the same dimensions as the MLB parent team’s stadium.
@mikecumbo7531 Yes, but now we'll see how the Rays stats change.
Not just the dimensions.
They oriented the stadium so that the sun field (Left) is the same between the minor league park and the big ballpark in the Bronx.
@josephewing80 Yes. Most importantly the player amenities are MLB standard.
I love this. Can’t wait to watch the rays 2025 in TAMPA.
Honestly, I commend the way everyone just came to a final decision on a solution for this situation, immediately. Nothing would have been worse than carrying this drama into early January, or so, as Spring Training approached. This is what it is, it's certainly not optimal, but it is what will happen and it needed to happen sooner than later. Play Ball!
They should expand that stadium and stay there.
16k was the average at the Trop in 2024. Now they will sell out every single game, and the ticket prices will be higher due to demand.
I doubt that, taking into consideration, no a/c in the middle of summer, who is going to want to sit in the sun for 3 hours in 90 degree heat. They could not fill Tropicana Field and I doubt they will this one either.
@@Kaaaaammmmjust have night games and day games away
@@Kaaaaammmm Rain and lightning every night too
Good on Steinbrenner for doing this. What a great gesture, and for a rival franchise. Love to see it.
Do you think the rental revenue Hal is receiving had a role in the decision ???
I'm glad that Rays fans will be able to attend games relatively close by. This seems like a better solution than playing in Orlando.
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Look how smooth this went together compared to the A’s debacle .This is what happens when there is good professional leadership and ownership .
If vegas had a vacant stadium the A's would be playing there in 2025
@ They could play in the minor league park in Reno instead of Sacramento
They would lose their TV deal that’s the issue if they moved to Vegas or Reno now. Sacramento is still within the broadcast range.
A’s vs. Rays in ALCS! Both in minor league ballparks!
Suck it Manfred!
@ I understand that 100% and that’s my point ..Why go to Las Vegas at all when they are not even wanted and the TV revenue is a lot smaller than if they just stay in Sacramento .This has to be the worst business deal in baseball history . The only reason the Raiders get the support they get is because a majority of their fan base is in LA who comes to Las Vegas for a weekend ,The A’s have no fan base in LA or Las Vegas who is a Dodger town who even have a store on the Strip ..But as they say good luck the lights stay on thanks to the failures of others .
The 30 minute closer drive will be much more attractive to people in Orlando and Lakeland who never went to St. Pete for games
Wow a whole 30 minutes.
The Lightning always sold out.
I can assure you they are not showing up
Pinella county politicians know this, which is why they are nervous of them seeing the benefits of being closer to the fans
As someone who lived in Orlando…. They are not coming… sorry
As a Yankees fan this was the outcome I was hoping for - not for any financial reason but as you said it just makes the most logistical sense as a temporary location. TV broadcasts of Yankees spring training games are definitely much simpler with fewer camera angles, but hopefully they can work it out. Glad they can stay in the area and not have to play for Mickey Mouse.
Rays fan that moved from St. Pete to Tampa this summer. The humidity is going to be brutal but i'm very interested in seeing MLB games here. The 11k capacity at Tampa is 3k better than anything in Pinellas. Ive gone to a few Tarpons games and its perfectly fine as a short term replacement. Tarpons games are pretty empty, I imagine they play on side fields, or if it's a mutual deal, maybe they can play at the Rays ST training stadium in Port Charlotte.
Steinbrenner Field, which opened in 1996 as Legends Field, sits across Dale Mabry Highway from Raymond James Stadium. It provides the largest capacity (11,026) of the spring stadiums, along with 13 suites, several club areas, social spaces and cabana seating, plus other upgrades from a $40 million renovation prior to the 2017 season.
Equally appealing, it has much of the required major-league-standard equipment, facilities and amenities for players in place. As a result, the facility would require the fewest upgrades to meet MLB regular season and players association standards.
Heat Humidity and Lightning are a huge problem
The only time people will go is April and maybe May. After that, too hot and humid and wet season. Miami Marlins played at Dolphin stadium from 1993-2011. They had plenty of rain delays and postponements. It worked, but their attendance was low.
@@pm5206 Don't underestimate Steinbrenner Field hosting an MLB team.
Sports teams are only rivals on the field. Business is business.
The Steinbrenner Field is nice, but remember, in the summertime, it rains there almost every evening and it's hot and humid as hell for most people.
So basically you're saying that the Rays will be playing a lot of double headers next year.
That’s what I’m saying 😂 the weather is going to impact and delay/cancel so many games
@@ringwormsherm If its against a division opponent it might make sense just to remake some of the games in their stadium. Like you could do a double header at Yankee Stadium or Camden Yards but the makeup game the Rays would be batting second while in another stasdium.
@@joemckim1183 Hell no. Those teams have rainouts too.
And what if the Rays make the playoffs in a tiny ballpark?
they have to do what they can. It's not the A's situation it's more complicated and thanks for the explanation Brodie.
Have the Tarpons play at USF or another college where they're usually done by June anyway.
University of Tampa has a beautiful ballpark that the Tarpons could play in. Downtown Tampa’s skyline would make a nice backdrop.
That's an upgrade from Tropicana Field.
Except for the hot Florida summers, which also bring rain every day.
@@SvanMagic Not every day but a lot of the time. They are usually short downpours that last less than thirty minutes.
@@willp.8120 I grew up in Central Florida and yes the rainstorms are quick, but they leave a lot of rain.
Outside of the fact that it will probably be about 1000 degrees for night games in July and August with the inevitable rain delays, it is the most viable option for 2025 insofar as keeping the team in Tampa. The long term solution is the new ball park.
MLB should contract (subtract) two teams until the stadium situation is worked out. Two leagues, 14 teams each, two divisions each league, post season tournament to determine the world series. Division winners get extra byes, eight teams participate top four, semi interleague with triple elimination.
Marlins go the American League. When stadium situation is fixed we go to a 32 MLB teams.
@@David-xr4yd Agree with your goal of having 32 teams. 16 per league. 8 four team divisions a la the NFL. Not all that enthusiastic about the contraction part of your proposal. Which two teams would you subtract?
You won't catch me at a game there between June and September. Too damn hot. Love the rays but it's going to be tough
FYI: The single-A season is 132 games long so the Rays would play 15 more home games than the Tarpons. The implies greater than 6.2 rainouts--maybe closer to 10. That's brutal for rescheduing. Ouch.
That’s why a dome is an absolute must. No way I’m going to any games this season.
The Yankees will play as Visitors in their own Spring Training Park, outdoors in Florida in the summer, at night I'm sure.
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It'll be weird seeing the Yankees be the visitors in their own facility.
Right? Makes it look like a Spring training series
@@FoxxoIRL-e3n And Steinbrenner Field's dimensions are EXACTLY the same as Yankee Stadium's.
NBC Sports reported that the Tarpons will play their games on one of the other diamonds at the facility (probably will play non conflicting games in Steinbrenner still I would imagine)
From the NBC Sports article:
"The Tampa Tarpons, one of the Yankees minor league teams, play their home games at Steinbrenner Field during the summer. They will use baseball diamonds elsewhere in the training complex this season."
It would be wild if they played conflicting games at a triaged (but not fully functional) Tropicana Field. 🤣
2024 Average Attendance for Rays was 16,515. IDK how many season ticket holders there are.
Steinbrenner Field is a nice venue. Main downside: Much of the stadium is exposed to the sun (unlike the Trop)... so no air conditioning and minimal rain protection.
Regarding the condition of the field with it being shared by 2 teams, look at Shea Stadium in 1975: the Mets, Jets, Yankees, and Giants all had to share the field because of renovations to Yankee Stadium. I’m sure 2 baseball teams can manage one summer
There was also a few years ago when the rays played a home game against the Yankees…….. at Citi Field
@@yell0wberryThat was for 3 games due to Irma. Houston Astors were at the Trop during Harvey. Milton was the worst storm and destroyed the roof. This is more than 1 season.
St. Pete and Pinellas County have always been the biggest problem for fixing the issues with the Rays.
I appreciate all the work you do to give us good, unbiased sports journalism.
You do so good in breaaking down the reality of given sports situations, both good AND bad.
What's a "doubleheader"? Unusual circumstances, call for unique solutions. Sometimes working together with opponents is required. It benefits everybody.
The best place to build a new stadium would be the Tampa Fairgrounds, where the Hard Rock is across the street and the amphitheater is. The Florida State Fair will have to move.
Still crazy the Yankees like that location. You would think they want a location that has a lot of room to expand and such.
I'm personally a Rays fan who, in my opinion, feel like Rays fans on the Tampa side have been dramatic about the bridge. It's really not that big of a deal. I've lived on that side and commuted to Rays games. I've also lived on the St. Pete side and commuted to Tampa for Bolts and Bucs and never complained. Fans of other teams who live an hour+ away make the pilgrimage at least once or twice a year because you love your team, want to support them, and for many they chose to live where they do in proximity to the field, so get over it.
Now that the Rays will be playing in Tampa across from RayJay, fans better be filling that stadium up with 80%+ occupancy every night to give credence to this idea that the Rays have to put the stadium in Tampa. It'll be close for them, the people from Orlando and Lakeland now have a shorter commute, and the St. Pete folks have to commute anyway for sports game. If they don't routinely fill that stadium, I'm going to call BS on the whole "St. Pete is a bad location" idea. It's just that people don't go to games - but not for a lack of support mind you. It'll just show that the difference between Hillsborough and Pinellas won't be as big of a deal as folks are making it out to be.
On a side note, those games are going to be BRUTAL in the heat, and with all the rain. Hopefully not too many games get rained out. People used to love giving the Trop a hard time, but I think they are really going to miss it after this season.
I would suggest regarding “Rain Outs” at the outdoor TAMPA Ballpark that I if a one occurs against a Divisional Opponent then the RAYS should consider making up those games at the Away Stadium. This is possible because of the numerous times these teams will play each other throughout the season. All other Non-Divisional Opponents would have to attempt to play Double-Headers there in TAMPA. If these Make up Double-Headers are Single Admission then the RAYS would lose the Gate Revenue regardless so having additional games a Real MLB Stadium would benefit the Players.
Just think the Rays fans at Steinbrenner Field will be able to park in lighted, concrete parking lots while just across the street Bucs fans park on the grass for $50.
It's fine in the spring in February and March when the Yankees play there, but it's going to be brutal playing in the Florida heat and humidity in June, July and August
Mosquitoes buffet 🦟
All night games only
30 min with traffic lol YOU NOT FROM FLORIDA
bro has never driven I-275 on rush hour
The Steinbrenners are from the Tampa area and the Yankees have offices there. Hal said he understands the community there and that’s more important than a rivalry
I’d imagine the Yankees rookie ball and Single A team will use the same field for the scheduled conflicts ( rookie ball games tend to be 12-3 or so ) while single A starts at 6:30pm
I’d imagine the Offense would be crazy high as well from just comparing the Toronto Blue Jays short tenure at Dunedin Jays stadium
I can’t help but be reminded of the Coyotes situation in Mullet, plans for a new stadium with no certainty while playing in a non suitable facility. Hopefully they can get it figured out
The worst part about the whole situation is having to play at a stadium called Steinbrenner field.
Great reporting Brodie!
This made the most sense by far and I though it was crazy all those who were saying “oh the Yankees would never let them use it because they are rivals”?!? It ain’t 1930 anymore, these teams are billion dollar corporations working in collaboration and see each other as business partners not rivals regardless of what the fanbases think. It is a nonsense take to say the Yankees wouldnt let the Rays use their spring training facility when the Yankees will do whatever generates the most revenue for MLB baseball & the Yankees and the more profitable the Rays, the more money in the Yankees pocket.
Weather wise - last 2-3 months of season were the worst for rain delays , felt like every other day was delayed or outright canceled which is normal for FSL teams to not have even amount of games played
The Blue Jays spring training stadium is gorgeous and brand new too, and is in Dunedin - relatively close. But it only seats 8,500.
6,500 fixed seats....2,000 (standing or sitting on the berm)
Imagine the Rays win the WS at Steinbrenner Field!😂
Obviously its a much smaller field. But when they pack this place every night, moving the team to Tampa may be back on the table.
It's not a smaller field. It's exactly the same as Yankee Stadium's dimensions. It has less seating, but the field is exactly the same.
What kept it off the table is the financing. Hillsborough County or the City of Tampa don't have the money to 'help' Sternberg.
Wow, has to be a MLB first in all history. Not just one, but two teams, in 2025, will be playing their home games in minor league ballparks!
Curious how this affects home runs and pitching stats? Good for hitters - bad for pitchers ?
@@Gordie-v7n most MiLB stadiums are at MLB dimensions, and Steinbrunner apparently is the same dimensions as old Yankee Stadium.
@@Gordie-v7n Blue Jays crushed the ball when they played in minor league parks during Covid
As I start mentally thinking about this-- the Dodgers played at the LA Coliseum (with the screens in LF) and the Giants played at Seals Stadium when they both first moved out to LA.
I'd have to see Jarry Park, but I know Arlington Stadium mainly built bleacher seats when the Washington Senators moved and upgraded that Texas League ballpark...
@@HHSGDFootballJPD You could say Jarry Park in Montreal and Sicks Stadium in Seattle in 1969, since expansion was bumped up the stadiums weren't built yet.
I wonder how summer thunderstorms will effect the games
speaking of television: Fan Duel Sports Network (Diamond Sports Group - formerly Ballys) has struck deals with the Rays, Tigers, Braves, Angels, Marlins and Cardinals on restructured deals for 2025.
I haven’t heard much about the fate of the struggling Ballys/Diamond lately. Sports media has always fascinated me. I hope Brodie does a video on that.
I’ll probably go to more games now that they are closer to Orlando. But as you said outside in Florida summer will be a big issue. It rains almost every afternoon.
Love Pinellas county #727
largo!!!!
How will they handle the Season Ticket holders? Seems this small of a stadium could essentially be filled by Season Ticket holders only.
George Steinbrenner loved the area (had a home here) & would have stepped up in the wake of a hurricane I'm sure, so I'm not that surprised.
You were right the first time -- the Oakland A's.
I’ve heard the biggest reason for the Rays’ attendance problem was just that it was an annoying drive, so they’re moving to a smaller stadium where they’ll have higher demand for seats.
Why didn’t they temporarily move into Raymond James Stadium in Tampa?
does it rain a lot there?
I wonder which team will have a worse home Sacramento A's or Tampa Bay. Which will be hotter to play in? It's going to be super hot in both locations to watch Baseball. If I were a gambler I would bet the Ray's will be there for 4 years. The new stadium is likely delayed a year until 2029.
As an Orlando local, this was a no brainer. This is easily accessible as opposed to Tropicana
MiLB schedules 6 games Tues-Sun most weeks of the year. Home or Away. 6 games per week against the opponent. To minimize travel.
Steinbrenner Field is a good ballpark. I’ll definitely fly in to catch a Rays game or two there.
I really think the best place for a new Rays ballpark was one of the Ybor City sites, but that’s just my $0.02….
Free agents care about one thing ($$$). To think that they would not want to play in a small ballpark is idiocy.
I wonder what's going to happen with all the rain out games since Steinbrenner stadium doesn't have a roof and it rains a lot in Florida not to mention the scorching heat during day games
Nothing about this situation is optimal and as far as I'm concerned, this is a good enough solution for one season
Its possible that you can put a cheaper roof on Tropicana. The fancy Teflon coated fabric is a 20-30 year roof. They can throw a cheaper 5 year roof that could last just a bit longer than the construction schedule for the new stadium
I’ll be visiting this stadium this year 😊
Maybe move the team to Tampa permanently with a new stadium
Steinbrenner Field would be an upgrade over the Trop.
Fans don't want to cross the bridge. Are you listening owners of the Rays? Scap St Pete ballpark plans. Build in Orlando, a major league city and tourist attraction!!
…oh…and I made it to the end of the video Brodie, I know you appreciate that.
Last time I was this early to a video, the Texas Rangers were still playing in Washington
I'm glad at least they have made a decision. Now we can move forward. Kudos to Yankees for their gesture even though we are fierce rivals, maybe we can now put that to rest.
It looks like it could be a major league stadium with some additions. The stadium the Blue Jays played in when they had to play in Buffalo was nice, also. The Sacramento stadium looks straight AA.
Eighteen different Rays opponents are scheduled to make only one trip to Tampa this season ... the AL Central, the AL West, and the eight NL teams that visit.
I don’t love the 2 AL teams in minor league parks point. The two situations seem so different. The A’s irregardless of the future should never have been allowed to play in Sacramento unless it had been announced it was going to be their permanent home. They should’ve figured out how to stay in the coliseum until the permanent home was ready. Tampa has no choice unless they were going to be leaving Tampa permanently.
The Oakland Coliseum is hardly MLB anymore. Will serve for soccer a couple of years and then demolishment is coming.
Steinbrenner Field was built like a major league stadium. The only difference is the seat number.
You should do more detail about financials curious how this works... city gave 6.5 mil already do they get 6.5 back from insurance... rays have to lease from yankees and how much and will insurance policy pay that... lots of financial questions...
Steinbrenner field has the exact field dimensions as Yankee Stadium, so except for capacity, it is a major league ballpark.
Steinbrenner Field, which opened in 1996 as Legends Field, sits across Dale Mabry Highway from Raymond James Stadium. It provides the largest capacity (11,026) of the spring stadiums, along with 13 suites, several club areas, social spaces and cabana seating, plus other upgrades from a $40 million renovation prior to the 2017 season.
Equally appealing, it has much of the required major-league-standard equipment, facilities and amenities for players in place. As a result, the facility would require the fewest upgrades to meet MLB regular season and players association standards.
Those aren’t real requirements as we’ve learned in the A’s situation.
The Tarpons I guess could play the conflict home games at the opponents stadiums and bat last in those games since all the teams in that league are I think within the state of Florida
Thank you for the video.
Do you know the average rain suspended games for the rest of NL and AL teams without a in door stadium?
Isn’t it amazing that the two organizations that had the worst stadiums and stadium situation some how got worse? The A’s is a shame
It's going to be 6000 degrees in the outfield there, you guys go ahead and watch baseball in Florida in the summertime. 50% rainouts
One thing you didn't mention, a lot of money comes from luxury seats and they will lose that for a year. But if it goes more than a year they could have trouble getting those commitments back.
Assuming the new stadium plans included demolishing the Trop after completion, it might be possible to do the demo first and then build an upgraded stadium on the same footprint and reusing some of the structural elements. May be the lowest cost option. Wondering if that is being considered?
Awesome solution . . . That's a nice stadium for single A, Maybe single A can go to Orlando Doesn't Oakland have an open stadium....
All things being equal, I don’t see how the Rays could ask for a better situation.
would be great to watch a mlb game in that stadium !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention maybe working with the Yanks on getting some OF seating in CF to add to the number of fans. Yeah, there were no perfect solutions to this. I think the free agency is the least of their issues. (they were never major players in that anyway).. the facilities are already MLB standard.. probably better than Fenway or Wrigley (because they were built before WWI) because the Yanks do spend so much time there. The Tarpons.. at the worst can use a back lot field and upgrade some seating.. it is A-Ball anyway... They'll figure it out.
The average attendance for the Rays was 16,515. Not much more than the 11-12K of Steinbrenner Field.
Average attendance is ~17k, so selling out all of the games still leaves 1/3 of the ticket revenue lost. All the seats look amazing at Steinbrenner though, but hard to make it up to lost luxury box lessors. If they can recoup $25M from insurance and if they can stay in the $56M budget and if they can amortize the $31M over 3 years instead of 2, the economic impact of patching Tropicana may be doable, but that is a lot of ifs.
It's not lost $, the Rays attendance is terrible in old Tropicana Field
That’s a nice shirt Brodie.
Dunedin Blue Jays stadium would not of worked, parking is abysmal and minimal , the Clearwater Threshers stadium has way better parking but is the most popular team attendance wise for the FSL compared to Tarpons/ JAYS both being bottom feeders , downside is that stadium is old , pretty often dugouts can flood 2-3 times a year / locker rooms are nice however
I actually think some of the players might like the idea of playing in minor league park. Some of the players have problems adjusting to bigger ball parks and more fans/noise. They still get to play 82 away games in bigger ball parks also.
The weather will definitely be a major factor also let's see the loyalty of the fans if they cannot sell out 11,000 every night they should sell the team to a loyal fan base like Buffalo
Keep the Rays in Steinbrenner Stadium until the new stadium in St Pete is completed. Although they averaged 16,515 in Tropicana last year it’s still the best option and it’s closer to my house.
MLB allows the A's to play in minor league stadium, Ray's to follow, heck, Menfred has managed to degrade MLB like no other commissioner before.
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In fairness, I don't think anyone could have predicted Milton and what it would do. As for the A's, that's 100% on Manfred. He makes me miss Bud Selig.
@@stemlator both have Hurricane, one is Hurricane Milton, the other is Hurricane Fisher.
@@stemlator MLB would have been better off without Selig and "Manfraud" Manfred
I imagine there is a way to add temporary bleachers to increase the capacity of Steinbrenner Field for next season.
I rains every afternoon in Florida in the summer